Schiff Still Has One Thing Right

keynes21Our colleague Mish Shedlock did quite a hatchet job on hyperinflationist Peter Schiff the other day – much of it deserved, if the evidence that Mish presented is to be believed. The two have never seen eye to eye, since Mish, like us, is an unreconstructed deflationist. But his indictments against Schiff have less to do with the Inflation vs. Hyperinflation argument than with allegations that Schiff’s actual performance as an investment advisor has not been so stellar as one might have inferred from his high-profile exposure as a doomsdayer.  Mish says that while Schiff has been essentially correct about doomsday, his actual investment portfolio got the details completely wrong, especially in its short-dollar orientation. (The same could probably be said of another world-class self-promoter, Jimmy Rogers.)

We won’t go into Mish’s case against Schiff, since it is quite detailed and can speak for itself. (You can access it at your leisure by clicking on the link at the bottom of this commentary.)  However, we would like to say a few things about hyperinflation, since, on this score, we think Schiff got it right.  He believes that the Fed, having explicitly committed itself to holding interest rates down by purchasing unlimited quantities of Treasury debt, has put the U.S. on a hyperinflationary course. We agree. In fact, and as we noted in an earlier commentary here, Schiff has laid out such a strong case that it is hard to see how he could be wrong. That said, however, we stand solidly with Mish, who notes: “I called for deflation and it is here right now. I do not have to wait for it. The only debate is how long it lasts.”

Hey, Bozo!

We have been calling for deflation ourselves since the early 1990s – in fact had the topic entirely to ourselves for many years in writing about it for Barron’s, The San Francisco Examiner and other mainstream publications. During that time, we had just one question for inflationists: “What the heck are you smoking, bozo?” We even stopped responding to one well-known inflationist’s calls for debate, since we believed that anyone who took that side of the argument did not know his ass from his elbow. But there came a time when we had to acknowledge that any issue that could fool the World’s Smartest Economist, Gary North, was trickier than it seemed on the surface.

As indeed it was. For here were the world’s central banks, pumping like crazy; and yet, none of the asset inflation they had hoped to catalyze occurred. In fact, the opposite obtains: real estate values continue to sink, and financial assets remain on life support. We believe, as Mish evidently does, that this will continue for at least a few more years. One reason we see deflation dragging on for so long is that Obama, in his approach to “saving” the  economy, is using fiscal, rather than monetary, stimulus. That is like using gunpowder instead of fissionable uranium. Not that uranium would have worked anyway, since money velocity is too, too dead – and will remain so for at least another 30 years — to bring banking reserves to an inflationary boil. In the end, we have no serious disagreements with Mish, although we do think that Schiff’s hyperinflationary scenario absolutely must play out at some point.

Obama’s Non-Choice

Meanwhile, for reasons that we have spelled out here before, Obama’s nostrums do not have even the remotest chance of success. Perhaps in a decade, when they are seen to have failed conclusively, Keynes will finally be buried forever, a stake through his heart. We would have thought the experience of the 1930s was clear enough to refute Keynesian quackery forever. In any case, urgency and expediency have impelled Obama’s WPA plan forward, and it is politically understandable why neither he nor his advisors has taken the only possible route that would guarantee success – i.e., letting the banks fail (and doing away with the Federal Reserve while this golden opportunity presents itself).

With the economy certain to keep sinking, those who have been hoarding gold have less to fear than investors who have diversified, since clarity has finally come to the Inflation/Deflation question. Whichever side of the debate one took, there was broad agreement about the end result: a Second Great Depression. We are very nearly there now, and nothing can stop it. But there is no longer uncertainty about how well gold might perform, since, as anyone can see, gold has done brilliantly in the midst of a global asset collapse. If the tide should turn, and hyperinflation plays out, it seems highly unlikely that gold would fare any worse, relatively speaking, than it has in these deflationary times. (If you’d like to have Rick’s Picks commentary delivered free each day to your e-mail box, click here.) And here’s the link to Mish’s exposé.

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  • Ray Newton August 3, 2009, 9:24 pm

    Rick
    You have not really read my post. Or you have deliberately, for your own motives, ignored the main point.
    Obama, is no different in position than any other president – and I mean any other.
    He was not put there to be his own man. He was not put there by the American people. It was a set up, as they all are.

    Now I can understand that in your position you are not able to agree ‘openly’, but if you do not really see, then there is little further to be said.

    It really is no secret. In fact they even want us to know – they have told us time and again, and shown us. You see, they know we can do nothing about it.

    Forget Ron Paul, he hasn;t a cat in hell’s chance. He would not get to first base.

    The only man who could have changed things, if there had ever been the remotest possibility, was Kennedy, along with his brother.

    Kennedy should have known better. He was a true blue 100 percent American, but with that bull headed fighting Irish devil may care attitude which is a trait
    of the Irish, and Scots. Remember ‘Brave Heart’ the story of William Wallace.

    Kennedy played along with the dark forces when he was in the running. He led them to believe he was their man. That is, until he got in with their help, or at least without their hindersance. Then, once installed, he failed to read and act from the script. He was hell bent on kicking them all where it hurts.

    Why did he ride around in an open car, and in Dallas.? When asked, he said that if the only force who could assassinate a president, wanted to get him, an armoured car would not protect him. He knew the score, but had banked on the working with his brother to expose the corruption, and the evil, working beneath before they got to him. He had that Gaelic blood he shared with so many warriors of lost causes.

    They assassinated the two brothers, killed his son, and ensured the other brother became a vegetable brain. Or, perhaps it was all coincidence. There are more coincidence theorists, than conspiracy ones – many, many, more, a world full.

    This is nothing new. You play by their rules, or you don’t play at all. There are many ways, not always assassination that they get you out of their way if you cross them.

    Don’t take just my word for it. Benjamin Disraeli the Prime Minister of Great Britain at the height of her power, when her navy literally ruled the waves and she built the largest Empire the world had known. The British pound was the reserve currency, and her army was straddling the globe assisted by no one, he wrote in clear, concise terms – This world is governed by far different personages than is imagined by those not on the inside (‘Conningsby’ published in 1842)

    He was a highly educated man from a powerful Jewish background. But what he was saying was, that in spite of his position of power in the most powerful nation in the world at that time – there was another power behind the scenes. He could afford to say it. few would understand, and those who did could do nothing about it.

    Now, you believe what you want, Rick. I listen to the people who know when they try to open my eyes to see the light.

    What they have told me, and there have been others – all fits.

    Your ideas of Obama et al do NOT fit. Their actions confound you because you fail to see.

    Take your pot shots at me. I will not back down. The evidence is far too well stacked.

    The most wonderful thing about this is that nothing baffles you anymore. You can see the picture and where all the pieces fit. And you can use it to advantage.

    There are now, and there are going to be many more fantastic opportunities to make serious money. But most will not as they are kept in fear, and they are confounded because nothing, to them, seems to fit with the perceptions to which they have been mind conditioned.
    Have fun, we are living in a wonderful age.

  • Ray Newton August 2, 2009, 10:57 pm

    The problem with all of your comments here, and that includes you Rick is that they fail to see what the objective is. Everything so far is going according to plan. Just because it is not the plan that you see, or would like, does not mean the economy is being steered by buffoons.

    First of all, Obama, or any president for that matter has nothing whatever to do with the economy, or foreign policy, or making any decisions himself. Obama is there as figure head and to read as convincingly as possible the script that is given him.

    Now he knows that if you don’t. He knew it before he took office. He got into that position because he was agreeable to go along with the system. Kissinger, who now
    lies (both meanings fit) even more in the background carries more power than any US president.

    No, I know you don;t see it, and that means agree. I cna tell that by the comments.

    Greenspan was a brilliant Fed Chairman. Now wait, cool down. He executed his job perfectly, just as Bernanke is doing. The objective of Greenspan was to do exactly what he was charged to do by his brief from those whom he serves. And that was not you, or Bush. It is the same with Bernanke. And it will be the same with any future chairman.

    The Fed may be sited in the US, but it is owned and controlled by an International financial cabal. To them, the US, like all nations is just one part of a whole. And, to them, the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. These men decide the fate of any nation’s economy. But their objective is not destroying economies just because they can. There is a method, a sound reason, for everything they do. There IS a plan, and everything is going according to plan – whether you like it, or believe it, or not.

    When you stop seeing, or believing that governments are there to serve a particular nations interest, you will begin to see the light, and all will be clear.

    How do I know? Because I was told, and I saw what I was told. AND SO WERE YOU!
    And the evidence could hardly be any clearer; it stacks up every day.

    There is a saying that ‘there are none so blind as those who have eyes yet cannot see. It is so true.

    I know my words will not make me any friends here. That I accept. When you go against the mainstream, then it is equivalent to sticking your head above the foxhole, without a helmet.

    But I am making money in this market. In fact, it’s a brilliant market for making money. And, I sleep very well at night. There has never been a better time to be alive. That I believe without reservation. And it can only get better.

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    Ray, the conspiracy angle is not something that I or a score of other posters have missed, and it seems clear enough that Goldman’s interests are holding sway in all areas of banking policy. But the actual mechanism by which banking interests have dominated politically during this time of crisis is more closely akin to the way in which unappointed bureaucrats control Washington, D.C. Obama could have brought in a whole new crew to deal with the problem, but he instead simply stuck with the status quo, letting the same guys who have been running things all along continue to run it. Call it a lack of imagination: Obama has failed to understand who deeply this crisis goes. But even if he had understood, it’s inconceivable that he would have risked destabilizing the system by appointing people to run it who were outside of the system. This could change if public outrage reaches critical mass. But things will have to get a whole lot worse before the likes of Ron Paul, and his bill to do away with the Fed, prevail. RA

  • Rich March 12, 2009, 3:19 am

    Aloha All
    Let’s get down to gold nuggets.
    Perth Mint is one of Schiff’s big plays, and numerous sources have said they are overly indebted, and not delivering timely gold or silver from segregated accounts. This begs the question of Futures and ETF paper gold/platinum/silver also.
    http://www.marketskeptics.com/2009/02/warning-about-perth-mint-gold.html
    Regards*Rich

  • Ed February 5, 2009, 12:38 pm

    My experience with Peter Schiff:
    I was also considering investing with Peter Schiff. I spoke with his office on a number of occasions. There was a tremendous stress on energy stocks, and I wondered what would happen if the economy slowed. I don’t know why Schiff didn’t take this possibility into account. They told me they would charge 3% of my portfolio up front as their fee, then nothing after that. I didn’t like that model. He takes that relatively large fee and there is no longer any incentive to continue to perform. When I asked to see their track record I got silence as a response. I decided to steer clear, and after seeing what Schiff has done to his investors I’m glad I did. Will he be vindicated over time? Who knows? But then what makes him different from the buy-and-hold strategists of Wall Street?

  • Ralph February 4, 2009, 5:43 am

    Hi Rick,
    I would like to contact Al. He said you have his email. Thanks,
    Ralph

  • sheryl abrahmsen February 1, 2009, 5:05 pm

    Hi Rick,
    I would like to contact Al please. He says you have his details.
    Kind regards,
    Sherry

  • Al February 1, 2009, 10:09 am

    Good point Rick and well appreciated.

    As a trader, critical anaysis and criticism by another good trader is always welcome. That is how I get better as a trader.

  • Al January 30, 2009, 10:24 am

    They are a lot of theories about economics, Austrian ( I see how great a country Austria has been in the last 50 Years..they are in a mess), Keynesian, Monetarism, Classical…on and on. These theories like everything esle are made up to justify these people’s jobs in academia.

    It’s simple if you get out of this thinking and sit back and see how does a guy in a country survive….she/he does with a decent wage and everything else follows.

    Apart from returning to a gold standard and that may happen in a few years time but would they cease “power” back to the rightful owners of the country.

    But first the banks will be nationalized in 2010/2011..no other option. The American banking system is worse than China’s and everybody is pretending and in hallucination. It’s absolutely BROKE beyond recoginition. Thank YOu Wall street, Free Trade, Globalization, Academia and most economists.

    Abolish the Fed, get rid of income tax and increase the minimum wage when the economy gets going and keep increasing it every year by a decent amount. Spend only on assets as assets last, so yes infrastructure, research and the like. NO PORK BARREL projects.

    Will tax cuts get you out of the hole… no….never has. Last 28 years of tax cuts and you got a BUST. But a good minimum wage will and low or no income tax and no caps gains tax will give the American people a lifestyle they deserve.

    You can raise all the money you want by a small INFENTESMIAL tax on currency, stock and commodity speculation.

    If 4-5 trillion is traded daily on the US dollar alone, DAILY imagine how much.000004555 or whatever will raise in a 252-365 days ( Includes Forex). Now multiply that by all the other markets and commodities. In this way you can rid yourself on income tax, have a surplus and fund all your programs.

    Will they ever do it?? Never, unless the American People stand up. The private bank the FED and the cronies will never let it happen…Why return power to the people.

    “Winter” has arrrived an they will be civil unrest, unless things change pretty quickly. See Greece, France etc. We need to stand up as Americans and take back the country, Cuz you just broke beyond belief, listening to the leaders, gurus etc from Reagan time onwards. Free trade/Globalization….Are YOU any BETTER OFF by!

    By paying your people a decent wage then can afford to buy things and keep the economy going and save. In this manner Wall Street can’t rack buy 20-80 billion dollar bonuses, destroy the economy and ask the go’vt for a bailout. By keeping minimumwages high, it forces the people at the top to be real good managers and forecasters and hopefully takes greed out of the equation. People are the main asset in a company and should be on the balance sheet. They are not recorded on the balance sheet.

    If people were recorded on the balance sheet all the stocks would be report -99% drop in earnings….and we would be Dow 3,000 by now.

    If you do like Free trade/Globalization, you will keep getting poorer and poorer….just as poor as the guys in China and India. Picture getting a little bit clearer now. When you as broke as them…we there I think…now you are Globalized.

    I mean how did we get to a depression if we were supposed to be richer through FREE TRADE/Globalization….

    Why don’t they outsource the CEO’s jobs and all the top Wall Street jobs now.

    After all, these Buffons got us in this mess!! So maybe the guy in India, China, Kenya, Chile can do a better job running GE, BAnk of America, CITI, AIG etc. I’m sure he can and for only 1/1000 the cost….Hell, I can get the guys over real quick for 1/1000 the cost, but YOU HAVE TO PAY ME MY $20 MILLION FEE FIRST.

    Let’s see how the guys in the top like it then and all the academia preaching free trade/globalization….OUTSOURCE THEIR JOBS too…

    Outsource the PRESIDENT…WHY NOT!!! Cheaper…

    If you do the same old same you get the same result…..1980-2008…same old same….

    Frank Zappa’s song “Uncle Remus” and “Bobby Brown” epitomizes the times in America now that have resulted in terrible policies in the last 28 years to the final bust conclusion. And we may get the depression…nobody knows. Salute to Free TRade.

    And we let it happen listening to our leaders….FOOL us once, twice, three, four, five…28 times so far…. how many times do YOU want them to FOOL YOU!!

  • Edward Caldwell January 29, 2009, 8:06 pm

    Hi Marc,

    In my opinion, its because the monetarism and Keynsians dominate economic thought. The political systems has been getting indoctrinated in socialism since FDR at least. The mythology that public works and war pulled the US out of depression is key here.

    Why doesn’t Obama consider cutting governement spending by 1 trillion? Because politicians never conceived of applied Austrian economics. Politicians control the situation, and bankers lobby the politicians. Incestuous relationships, corruption, defective economic ideology. Good question. The result will be depression and fiat money weakness (complete collapse?). EC

  • Edward Caldwell January 29, 2009, 8:00 pm

    Good point Paul M.

  • Al January 29, 2009, 7:10 pm

    Remember this and never forget it.

    “NOBODY KNOW WHAT YOU THINK THEY DO”

    If you remember the above you will slowly get confident to manage your own money. Buy low , Sell high and Sell high, buy low. This is all psychological, it has nothing to do with money. CAD is low…it will go up.

    “If you do not trade for a living you do not know where any market will be going.”

    Schiff, Madoff and all the managers on wall street come from Business School with their MBA’s ( masters of Buffonery), CPA’s,CTA’s, CFA and whatever other PHD and manage your money. They have never traded a futures contract and go on to lose Trillions of OPM ( other people’s money).

    If you notice guys writing books, never show you their trading account like Jeremy Seigel, Schiff, and and on. If these “guys” were so smart how come they lose Trillions ( hedge funds, mutual funds, money managers). It’s because what they follow with fundamental, technical and economic analysis should be used for toilet paper.

    If you can read a chart you can make money. These buffons cannot read a chart..only Funny Mentals and 50/200 day moving averages ( worst lagging indicator).

    Fortunes are available in Eurodollor, O.J. CAD, AUD, corn, US index, Silver, Gold…buy low sell high, sell high buy low…but nobody does it because they read to many experts comments and books ( these guys no S*it).

    If you trade options and spreads….and know something about trading…all you need to follow is one rule on a chart for End of day trading. It’s that simple. Above it goes up, below it goes down.

    Mish is quite good, better than Abby cohen and all the TV and book peddlers. Ravi Batra to me is the best economist around but nobody wants to hear what he has to say. “Greenspan Fraud” came out in 2005 and I knew Greenspan was a crook back in 1998, but you can’t go agains gurus and experts.

    If you want the US to get great again….read the part about minimum wage in Batra’s book. BTW, if none of you have got it by now Free Trade and Globalization ( which basically is one World gov’t) has brought you to Depression not Boom WE were told by academia, economists and money managers…back in 1990 that globalization would make us better off. And I thought the US worker was the most productive…and productivity leads to prosperity!!!

    The more Free trade you have the more bankrupct you become…..Look around…you don’t need a book to get it.

    Read Batra and look at your charts and only talk and take advice from people that trade the indices ( ES, YM, NQ, TF) because they need to know where the market is going to make money. Same thing for commodities.

    Finally, one of the best traders took over 20 years to get it right, but he then made a fortune in 4 years, lost half and then doubled or tripled his initial fortune.

    He was a BLUE COLLAR worker not a pompous economist, money manger or Educated buffon!!! He plugged on know how to read charts…no indicators or technical analysis.

    As James Simon says ” Certian non random price patterns have a predictive effect.”

    If there are any Sovereign Wealth Funds, or people who want to preserve what they have then you can contact me. Ask Rick for my email.

    The ES is going to 650-550 and the YM is going to 6,800-6,500 and maybe 5,500.

    If Rick is correct about deflation we will see 3,000 and 350 on the ES and YM.

    2000-2016/17 ( 1966-1982…was a long 17 year wait).

    Why buy and hold and go broke, trade commodities, indices and stocks.

    A good shorting opportunity is coming up……its all in charts…not Business School or so called “gurus.”

    Good luck

  • Harry January 29, 2009, 6:54 pm

    Just a reminder that the real J.M.Keynes only called for small increases/decreases in government spending to smooth out the business cycle. The present bailout-mentality owes more to Marx than Keynes. In fact, looting the treasury to hand it out to your friends on Wall Street or Motown, that’s more Groucho Marx than Karl.

    Now that the genie is out of the bottle, every lousy businessman with a friend in the Senate will demand government cash to prop up his failed businesss.

    Where will inflation come from? Out of the pork-barrel, that’s where.

  • corey January 29, 2009, 4:51 pm

    Since I am not articulate enough to write a well written article, I decided to see if Rick will post this arguement for inflation. I do not benefit one bit from this article, I just found it interesting.

  • Brad Sims January 29, 2009, 10:36 am

    Back in March 08, I was very close to liquidating most of my Vanguard accounts to start an account with Schiff. After all, after having read his book, it seemed like he had a crystal ball.
    Thank goodness I didn’t. I would have lost 60% instead of “just” 30%.

  • MARC MCCALL January 29, 2009, 8:52 am

    question please . why doesn’t obama let the banks fail ? an interested reader.

    • Rick Ackerman January 30, 2009, 9:00 pm

      It is politically impossible to let the banks fail. Since he cannot be perceived as doing nothing, he is obliged to do the wrong thing in the biggest possible way. But I wonder myself whether so intelligent a man as Obama could actually believe that the stimulus package he and his advisors have created will in fact restore the economy to health. I guess someone must believe it, but — pardon me, davinci — they’d have to be very stupid.

  • Don Zucker January 29, 2009, 8:24 am

    I have a power of attorney account with Peter Schiff. During the last year it has gone from $505,000 to $265,000. Not a good sign for a manager who “foresaw” coming events. The one issue on which I do agree with Schiff is that money is wealth and wealth cannot be created out of thin air. For this reason alone, I believe inflation and hyperinflation will develop within the next 12 months. DZ

  • Paul Mladjenovic January 29, 2009, 2:09 pm

    I think that Mish and Schiff are solid economic analysts and both need wider media attention. The ultimate issue is not inflation/deflation. It is that Keynesian economic ideas and policies are destroying our once-great economy. I think that Mish and Schiff (and other proponents of Austrian economics) should set their sites on the destructive Keynesian ideas that are getting the attention of the mass media. Keynesian economic thinking is dominating policy right now and this is indeed quackery on a massive scale. Economic commentators everywhere should spend time telling the world about the rightness of the Austrian school of economics. We need it now more than ever….

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    For my part, I never use the word “Keynes” in Rick’s Picks without referring to him and his theories as “quack.” If you read Keynes closely, however, you’ll be disappointed to discover that he was not the imbecile you’d assume he’d had to have been to believe in what came to be called Keynesianism. He was just a misguided leftist — like Krugman, whose columns are filled with ideas that could have come from the Village Idiot. He is an economics Nobelist in the same way that Arafat was a peace Nobelist. Discerning bunch, those Norwegians. RA

  • Edward Caldwell January 29, 2009, 10:50 am

    I disagree with the idea that collapse of industry or business sectors is deflation. Zimbabwe has collapsed industry and has hyperinflation. Zimbabwe is in a hyperinflationary depression. The increase of the M3 is where hyperinflation is occuring. That is the definition of inflation. The Fed hides the number because they know that higher M3 is hyperinflation. Credit is not necessarily contracting relative to the credit granted for bail outs.

    Due to the multi-lochular nature of the economy, the “damn” is going to have to burst to get the money into the public hands. There is a lot of excuses the government can come up with to give money to people. Loan forgiveness, tax refunds, increased welfare, social security benefits, higher food stamp allocations – anything to keep the people from rioting.

    Schiff was right about hyperinflation – the deflation will come after the hyperinflation. Then an ounce of gold wil buy a hotel or 100 acres of land. The current situation is the beginning of a depression, not deflation – the early stage of hyperinflationary depression. True deflation is to come 5-8 years from now. In a depression stocks do poorly. Precter [sic] , Mish and R.A. has been wrong about gold because they doesn’t know depression from deflation. Gold would go down in a deflation – but still be relatively valuable. The only thing that will bring this economy to deflation is reduction of money supply. EC

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    You’ve managed to get every single fact that you’ve cited wrong, Caldwell. For starters, you need to re-read Schiff, whom you’ve completely misunderstood. Your kind of muddled logic is what drove me out of the debate. It’s like trying to argue points of Constitutional Law with a head of Romaine lettuce. RA

  • Davinci January 29, 2009, 10:32 am

    You know I stopped reading when you used the words “bozo” or “ass from elbow”. Your statements are designed to invoke a emotional response both from the readers that agree with you and the ones that do not.

    This is manipulative tactic used by the main stream media to lock in supporters by making the feel that they are stupid if they look at other arguments. It also has the inflammatory affect to of getting people of apposing views to start an emotional rant that make them look crazy providing you with more fire power to hold your supporters.

    Ever since I stopped watching TV I have noticed this and I would hope your supporters would to. If you read anything that Peter Schiff writes or says on TV you will notice he does not use this manipulative tactic. He does not call people with different opinions dumb or stupid directly or indirectly.

    Finally with that said I can not read your opinion if you insist on calling anyone else with a different opinion names. The sad thing is that you may have information that could help people because you may be right.

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    Can’t parse your sentence, “I stopped reading when…” You evidently didn’t stop. And not sure if you are addressing me, since “ass from elbow” is not a phrase that I use. Regardless, what term besides “idiot” could you use to describe someone who believes debt deflation can be cured by taking on trillions of dollars of new debt? RA

    • Rick Ackerman January 30, 2009, 8:53 pm

      You are correct, davinci, but only in a literal sense, since guys like Kudlow are not actual clowns, and because most of the guests on CNBC could, in fact, distinguish an ass from an elbow. That said, Kudlow really is a self-aggrandizing charlatan — a guy who will say whatever it is people want to hear in order to get his face in front of the camera; and, 98% of the guests on CNBC, you may recall, saw nothing disturbing about the dot-com boom or the housing boom when they were going full-tilt.

      I have also characterized the former Fed chairman as a rank imbecile. While this is not literally true, it would not exaggerate to say that many college freshman, and probably even a few high school students, have a much better understanding of economics than Greenspan displayed when he: 1) said that inflated home values constituted “wealth”; and 2) spoke of a capital investment “boom” at a time when household savings growth was negative.

      Anyway, if you can’t risk having your thoughts and emotions manipulated, then don’t come back to the site. This the the Internet, dude, and we don’t have to talk like the docile, publicity-seeking champions of the status quo who populate the Rolodexes of CNBC producers and New York Times reporters/editors.

  • steelliberty January 29, 2009, 10:14 am

    Peter Schiff has been ‘dead on’ regarding the events unfolding at this moment. His first book clearly explained the growing debt monster attacking the US. Debt at home and debt in th public sector. His Austrian Economics based arguments for the demise of the dollar are still correct. What Schiff was is not able to predict or perhaps understand is the extent to which manipulation of all the capital and bond markets may be used to prop the dollar prior to it’s final and probably quick decent into the bowels of fiat currency hell. Manipulation and fraud in all area’s of public and private investing have created temporary side bubbles (the treasuries) and misallocations that were not predictable based on a free market analysis of this financial collaspe.

    As for Mish, his arguments of any kind should be discounted from the top since he recently defended the CFTC and the powers that be by asserting that gold and silver manipulation in the future’s market were not happening. His simple analysis of the factors causing falling prices in the gold and silver market where nothing more than a fantasy created of pieces from CNBC shrills and the ‘Be Happy’ folks in the Federal Reserve – Treasury department. He looked right at the Emperor and saw a brand new suit.

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    Schiff is also the only guy who has credibly explained how a hyperinflation will occur: Some afternoon, when the Fed is forced to buy virtually all Treasury debt because no one else will, it will become apparent that all other bond markets are collapsing for lack of official “support.” Interesting that Buffett seems not to understand this when he talks about a Federal bailout of the muni bond market. Or maybe he does but simply hasn’t divulged to the world that he’s been hoarding ingots in his basement. RA