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		<title>By: &#187; More From Rick Ackerman On Inflation&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; More From Rick Ackerman On Inflation&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 02:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Stephen Orchard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Orchard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 21:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>instead of offering a deflation/( hyper) inflation view,  accepting the  &quot;daunting&quot; implications of  both ,  what are the &quot;tells&quot; of impending devaluation,  and what will be the constraints on ETF goldholders  (understanding the risk of not holding physical gold, but storage is too daunting for most of us with large positions,  do we dare hold ETF`s  in commodity baskets etc ?


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&lt;em&gt;Physical gold vs. paper is a concern that pops up in the Rick&#039;s Picks chat room from time to time. It&#039;s possible there are hard numbers pertaining to this topic that would transcend the usual conspiratorial overtones.  Drop by some time and ask about it, Stephen, since there is some deep expertise in the room.  Not much argument among the hard-core, though: Paper gold -- even stock certificates -- is an oxymoron, and if you choose it over physical metal, you invite intrusion upon your financial affairs.  &lt;/em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;RA&lt;/strong&gt; 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>instead of offering a deflation/( hyper) inflation view,  accepting the  &#8220;daunting&#8221; implications of  both ,  what are the &#8220;tells&#8221; of impending devaluation,  and what will be the constraints on ETF goldholders  (understanding the risk of not holding physical gold, but storage is too daunting for most of us with large positions,  do we dare hold ETF`s  in commodity baskets etc ?</p>
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<p><em>Physical gold vs. paper is a concern that pops up in the Rick&#8217;s Picks chat room from time to time. It&#8217;s possible there are hard numbers pertaining to this topic that would transcend the usual conspiratorial overtones.  Drop by some time and ask about it, Stephen, since there is some deep expertise in the room.  Not much argument among the hard-core, though: Paper gold &#8212; even stock certificates &#8212; is an oxymoron, and if you choose it over physical metal, you invite intrusion upon your financial affairs.  </em><strong>RA</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Market Ace</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you are right about deflation, as the inflationist are missing a very important point They mistake those green pieces of paper that Bernanke keeps printing and dumping on the banks so they can buy US Treasuries as money and this &quot;excess&quot; money will cause inflation.

The reality is that these pieces of paper have not been &quot;money&quot; in the US for a long time, because in reality &quot;credit &quot; is our money. Everything is bought with credit by gov&#039;t and the people. Our &quot;money&quot; is the plastic in our wallets, mortgages, home equity loans, car loans etc.

While FR$ are being printed the credit contraction of our real money is sharp and will continue and this can only bring deflation. Shortages and lack of supply may cause future prices increases and a currency devaluation, voluntary or otherwise, may appear to cause inflation (price increases) but &lt;strong&gt;&lt;ul&gt;
inflation as we know it is almost impossible as credit disappears.&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; The Bond markets know this in spite of the media constantly ringing the inflation bell.

Until a new type of stable monetary system is found for the US and indeed the world it appears that inflation is not the biggest worry around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you are right about deflation, as the inflationist are missing a very important point They mistake those green pieces of paper that Bernanke keeps printing and dumping on the banks so they can buy US Treasuries as money and this &#8220;excess&#8221; money will cause inflation.</p>
<p>The reality is that these pieces of paper have not been &#8220;money&#8221; in the US for a long time, because in reality &#8220;credit &#8221; is our money. Everything is bought with credit by gov&#8217;t and the people. Our &#8220;money&#8221; is the plastic in our wallets, mortgages, home equity loans, car loans etc.</p>
<p>While FR$ are being printed the credit contraction of our real money is sharp and will continue and this can only bring deflation. Shortages and lack of supply may cause future prices increases and a currency devaluation, voluntary or otherwise, may appear to cause inflation (price increases) but <strong>
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inflation as we know it is almost impossible as credit disappears.</ul>
<p></strong> The Bond markets know this in spite of the media constantly ringing the inflation bell.</p>
<p>Until a new type of stable monetary system is found for the US and indeed the world it appears that inflation is not the biggest worry around.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Taghon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Taghon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 15:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Walk the goldtrail... and learn...

http://www.usagold.com/goldtrail/archives/another1.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walk the goldtrail&#8230; and learn&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.usagold.com/goldtrail/archives/another1.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.usagold.com/goldtrail/archives/another1.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Taghon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Taghon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 15:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a good read for the senor !!

http://fofoa.blogspot.com/

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&lt;em&gt;Thanks for posting this excellent essay, Patrick.  The author takes care to note that inflationists and deflationists see the same end result: catastrophic economic collapse and a world thrown instantly into beggary. He is respectful of Prechter, who in my opinion is the worlds&#039; foremost authority on deflation. Prechter has gotten into trouble with inflationists because of his once very bearish stance on gold. But his thinking has evolved, as gold bugs will have surmised, and he now writes that gold should be a part of any defensive portfolio, since it is bound at the very least to hold its purchasing power.

My own views have evolved as well. I have always believed that a hyperinflation lay somewhere down the road, but I was uncertain about how far down the road. I am still unsure about this, but my hunch is that it won&#039;t come in time to &quot;save&quot; tens of millions of Americans from statutory bankruptcy.  Doing so is manifestly not a political goal at this point, since all measures so far have sought to protect creditors (i.e., the banks).  Moreover, I still doubt that the political will exists to hyperinflate, which would be tantamount to detroying savers as a class as well as all of the institutional conduits of saving (i.e., the bond markets).  My hunch is that hyperinflation will occur in the way described in this forum by Ed Moyer (see below), and earlier by Peter Schiff -- i.e., through a parabolic increase in the purchase of Treasury paper by the Fed.

The resulting collapse of the dollar is certain, and it will happen as Martin Armstrong has described it - instantaneously, in a waterfall cascade. There are compelling reasons for us to expect the entire hyperinflationary episode to play out in a matter of days, and for the ensuing collapse to put the economy in a severe deflationary wallow that will last for at least a generation.  That is not how the Weimar inflation played out -- it took nearly ten years -- and the likely speed of the coming financial blitzkrieg holds very daunting economic implications for all, even those who have secured their assets in gold.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;RA &lt;/strong&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a good read for the senor !!</p>
<p><a href="http://fofoa.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://fofoa.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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<p><em>Thanks for posting this excellent essay, Patrick.  The author takes care to note that inflationists and deflationists see the same end result: catastrophic economic collapse and a world thrown instantly into beggary. He is respectful of Prechter, who in my opinion is the worlds&#8217; foremost authority on deflation. Prechter has gotten into trouble with inflationists because of his once very bearish stance on gold. But his thinking has evolved, as gold bugs will have surmised, and he now writes that gold should be a part of any defensive portfolio, since it is bound at the very least to hold its purchasing power.</p>
<p>My own views have evolved as well. I have always believed that a hyperinflation lay somewhere down the road, but I was uncertain about how far down the road. I am still unsure about this, but my hunch is that it won&#8217;t come in time to &#8220;save&#8221; tens of millions of Americans from statutory bankruptcy.  Doing so is manifestly not a political goal at this point, since all measures so far have sought to protect creditors (i.e., the banks).  Moreover, I still doubt that the political will exists to hyperinflate, which would be tantamount to detroying savers as a class as well as all of the institutional conduits of saving (i.e., the bond markets).  My hunch is that hyperinflation will occur in the way described in this forum by Ed Moyer (see below), and earlier by Peter Schiff &#8212; i.e., through a parabolic increase in the purchase of Treasury paper by the Fed.</p>
<p>The resulting collapse of the dollar is certain, and it will happen as Martin Armstrong has described it &#8211; instantaneously, in a waterfall cascade. There are compelling reasons for us to expect the entire hyperinflationary episode to play out in a matter of days, and for the ensuing collapse to put the economy in a severe deflationary wallow that will last for at least a generation.  That is not how the Weimar inflation played out &#8212; it took nearly ten years &#8212; and the likely speed of the coming financial blitzkrieg holds very daunting economic implications for all, even those who have secured their assets in gold.</em></p>
<p><strong>RA </strong></p>
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		<title>By: Marko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 17:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some extra thoughts about the deflation inflation debate:
http://www.gata.org/files/QBAssetManagement-07-2009.pdf
regards Marko</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some extra thoughts about the deflation inflation debate:<br />
<a href="http://www.gata.org/files/QBAssetManagement-07-2009.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.gata.org/files/QBAssetManagement-07-2009.pdf</a><br />
regards Marko</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 14:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick,

You make a good rational case for the deflation scenario; however living in the Philippines during the Marcos regime inflation was very much alive due to currency debasement.

Even considering that there economic fundamentals were weaker than ours, they still had massive problems with inflation.  They also had a problem of a weak manufacturing base and had to import many items which of course were much high relative to their currrency.

Personally, I&#039;m still confused on the &quot;inflation/delflation&quot; discussion.  The only thing
certain is that we are about to find out.

Enjoy your info and writing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick,</p>
<p>You make a good rational case for the deflation scenario; however living in the Philippines during the Marcos regime inflation was very much alive due to currency debasement.</p>
<p>Even considering that there economic fundamentals were weaker than ours, they still had massive problems with inflation.  They also had a problem of a weak manufacturing base and had to import many items which of course were much high relative to their currrency.</p>
<p>Personally, I&#8217;m still confused on the &#8220;inflation/delflation&#8221; discussion.  The only thing<br />
certain is that we are about to find out.</p>
<p>Enjoy your info and writing.</p>
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		<title>By: kodiak</title>
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		<dc:creator>kodiak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 03:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When it comes to GOLD, I think the inflation/deflation debate is moot. Prechter and others are saying that gold is going to take a header. I think that GOLD is all about storing WEALTH SAFELY. There are a lot of rich, smart people on this planet that know that! 
All of the Harvard Biz and Wharton MBA&#039;s and PhD&#039;s who have run this country into the ground over the last 50 years are going to get a lesson in arithmetic. 2+2=4. They piled into Treasury&#039;s last Nov.- Jan. driving the price of the 30 year to 143. You Youngsters will see it sell below 5... yes 5 ~!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When it comes to GOLD, I think the inflation/deflation debate is moot. Prechter and others are saying that gold is going to take a header. I think that GOLD is all about storing WEALTH SAFELY. There are a lot of rich, smart people on this planet that know that!<br />
All of the Harvard Biz and Wharton MBA&#8217;s and PhD&#8217;s who have run this country into the ground over the last 50 years are going to get a lesson in arithmetic. 2+2=4. They piled into Treasury&#8217;s last Nov.- Jan. driving the price of the 30 year to 143. You Youngsters will see it sell below 5&#8230; yes 5 ~!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick,
Thanks for bringing the inflation-deflation discussion back on the &quot;front page.&quot;  You&#039;ve been trying to get it through my thick skull about the threat of a prolonged deflationary period.  Between you and Senor Cuidado, the light in my head finally came on.  Thanks, you two, and to the other thoughtful contributors on all sides of this topic.
I&#039;m curious about the fate of silver prices in Senor Cuidado&#039;s scenario of coming events?
Best of luck to all, Paul</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick,<br />
Thanks for bringing the inflation-deflation discussion back on the &#8220;front page.&#8221;  You&#8217;ve been trying to get it through my thick skull about the threat of a prolonged deflationary period.  Between you and Senor Cuidado, the light in my head finally came on.  Thanks, you two, and to the other thoughtful contributors on all sides of this topic.<br />
I&#8217;m curious about the fate of silver prices in Senor Cuidado&#8217;s scenario of coming events?<br />
Best of luck to all, Paul</p>
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		<title>By: Marko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 12:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick, i forwarded your scenario to Egon von Greyerz of Matterhorn Asset Management AG. In his opinion however  &quot;Hyperinflation is totally currency related and not demand related.&quot;
Kind Regards, Marko</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick, i forwarded your scenario to Egon von Greyerz of Matterhorn Asset Management AG. In his opinion however  &#8220;Hyperinflation is totally currency related and not demand related.&#8221;<br />
Kind Regards, Marko</p>
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