Canada Won’t Escape Drag of Slumping U.S

Friday’s commentary, “How Home Prices Will Find a Bottom,” elicited responses over the weekend that were both provocative and insightful.  For one, there was this common-sense suggestion for investing during the very challenging times that lie ahead: “Buy real estate to rent out to people making their money in crisis-resistant jobs.” We agree with this approach, as well as with the author’s conclusion that better opportunities may be difficult to find if, as seems possible, the economic environment combines the worst features of deflation and inflation.

For the most part, inflationists took the hind quarter in this discussion, although we would caution that it was not altogether favorably disposed toward gold as a long-term play.  To access the forum, click here. We have culled one post in particular because it brings considerable evidence to bear against a sunny view of Canada’s economic prospects espoused by one “Bobtor.”  The gist of it is that Canada is so dependent on trade with the U.S. that it will not be able to avoid getting dragged into the morass that has all but asphyxiated America’s economy. Here is the post, from a forum regular who goes by the handle “Cameroni”:

Well Bobtor, my fellow Canuck, we are indeed reading different newspapers. Or perhaps we just interpret the data differently. Last time I checked, Canada’s (official) unemployment rate was still above 8%, and although there was the appearance of strong jobs gains in January and February, it is clear that many, many thousands of those jobs were generated by the Winter Olympics. How many? Well, enough to thoroughly skew the statistics, that is certain.

Government stimulus measures (i.e., taxpayer-created jobs) still comprise a large portion of new hires, and that program is slated to end. What do you think will happen to those positions when our stimulus money runs out? I will add that a large proportion of new jobs are temporary and part-time as well, so let’s not get too excited just yet. Thousands of high-paying positions in the auto sector, for example, are now gone for good. They will not be returning any time soon with the dollar rising so sharply against the Greenback. I submit that they are gone for good.

5% Downpayments ‘No Help’

I am guessing you are a Realtor, judging from your detailed knowledge of Canadian real estate minutiae. That means you have a vested interest and cannot be impartial when it comes to your calling. You reel off regulation like it is scripture while forgetting it was primarily created to protect the banking sector, not home owners or buyers. Five percent down payments certainly will not help many if prices decline by 10 percent, now, will they?  Underwater is still underwater, and it just means we lost real wealth — real money that we worked for and saved.  We could only envy that Americans could buy into homes with nothing down at one point and get out with no personal savings lost or profit in earlier times by selling zero-down homes that miraculously generated equity almost overnight.

To see where we are headed, you need to look at some fundamentals of our economy. Can you ignore the fact, for one, that roughly 85% of all Canadian trade is with the U.S.? Or that Ontario, which accounts for a significant portion of our manufacturing trade, is in recession while the province posts deficits?  I ask you to check for yourself the Conference Board of Canada’s estimates for the value of trade lost for each single cent our currency rises. We know this. Our currency is near parity for the first time in almost 30 years. We know our exporters have lost 10 percent on signed contracts in six months alone! That is mostly trade with our neighbors south of the border. If you have been watching the course of the recession down there and the mounting job losses and plant closures, you would be irresponsible to suggest that is good news for Canada. Forget the daily drivel you are being spoon-fed by the media, and think for yourself. Start looking at the real consequences we face with the U.S. mired in a difficult, ongoing recession.

Rising TSX a Distraction

And please don’t imagine that a rising Toronto Stock Exchange is a sign of real recovery. That exchange is heavily weighted with gold shares and other resource plays. It may remain a little more buoyant than other exchanges on the strength of Gold and Silver for now, but don’t get too smug yet, because it is looking more likely that a rocky ride lies ahead rather than a moon shot.

So, are we an island up here, where the normal rules of trade and finance don’t apply? I don’t think so.

Quite the contrary actually. There is no other country in the world with more at stake and more dependent on a positive outcome for the U.S. economy than Canada. No country’s economy is more exposed to the U.S. We are their largest trading partner and they are ours. Combined, the value of all our trade makes us the largest trading bloc on the planet. So take a careful look at the facts down there and ask yourself about how strong our markets really are. The U.S. is in fact experiencing a prolonged downtrend in real estate values, consumption in the dumps, retailers shuttering their stores across the nation, a real unemployment rate that is closer to 20% than 10%, record bankruptcies, commercial real estate in crisis and an extremely dismal long-term outlook for the greenback. Nothing could be worse for our economy.

What Good News?

I am not sure what good news you are referring to. In British Columbia the forestry industry is at a near standstill due to lack of new home construction in the States. In Alberta literally dozens of oil and tar sands projects representing billions in investment remain stalled or mothballed while the unemployment benefits of thousands of workers are running out. In my own backyard of Saskatchewan, the provincial government recently miscalculated potash revenues by two billion dollars — a stunning amount for the size of this province that amounted to a 100% error when no potash was sold and the Chinese backed off on signing new contracts. Nobody saw that coming, that is for sure.

And with Toronto homes selling for a factor greater than seven times annual income, and Vancouver’s at ten times income, you cannot possibly believe that is not bubble territory. Take a close look at who is buying and you will see it is mainly young people — young professionals who have been duped into believing that this is their last chance to get into the market before interest rates rise. It is a panic, and that is a sure sign things will unwind. Look at who is selling too. It’s retirees who have seen it all before and who want to get the hell out before it’s too late. It is already too late, though.

Toronto Bubble Biggest

As far as Vancouver goes, you can find data yourself that clearly show listings rising over the last few months while the ratio to sales is in decline. It is worth noting that one of the other big factors prompting Canadians to keep buying in this environment is that the GST (Goods and Services Tax) on new homes will soon rise by a percentage, and the rules governing the amount of down payment and maximum length of amortization are changing.  All of this has driven frenzied buying, and no one in his or her right mind could doubt that when Toronto homes jump 10 percent in value in a single year, that they are in one of the biggest bubbles of all. You might call that a “hot” market, but I see all the hallmarks of a disaster in the making. The writing is on the wall, and we are about to hit that wall head-on.

But our biggest concern by far should be the health of the U.S. economy. With nagging doubts about the future strength of the greenback, it is certain we will suffer economically here as our dollar rises above parity. Where will it end? A Canadian dollar at 2.00 perhaps…or three. You can call that crazy, but we are pegged to the greenback, and our currency in particular does appear to strengthen whenever the U.S. dollar weakens. The prognosis for the U.S. dollar is not good when measured against current, monolithic debt levels. So where is the good news? It’s terrific for tourists heading South to shop and visit, I suppose, but it spells disaster for our struggling manufacturing sector and resources such as lumber. Ontario’s current plight will lead to a very nasty reckoning for this great country. We are no longer posting fat national  surpluses, my friend, and the cash cows are thinning out as casualties to a faltering American economy.

Crash Unavoidable

So, yes, I stand by my comments. Real estate will crash here. Big time. I hear the gnashing of teeth and wringing of hands already as the typical Canadian, a single paycheck away from a home foreclosure, blindly saving a meager one percent of income for old age and depending on the value of their homes to support them in old age, finally wakes up and realizes that he could not read the signs of what is coming – that he blindly followed the same path of consumption hell, borrowing, and credit-card debt that is currently plaguing the US economy; and that our fate really does rest on the actions taken or not taken that could lead to an eventual U.S. recovery.

So we are not special. We are not different in Canada. The same rules of economics function here as they do South of our borders. Trade matters. Our housing crisis is coming, and we are merely a little behind schedule, so pay attention or you will lose your shirt.

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  • Ash May 19, 2010, 10:34 pm

    I agree with Rick Ackerman. Then why canadian economy is not crashing?
    I think the main point you all guys are missing is…

    Canadian borders are open to the whole world bringing 300,000 (1%) people every year in such a small canadian population 30 Million people.. Adding 1% population everywhere creating huge demand for housing.
    By the way 80% populatiuon goes to Toronto or vancouver or montreal.

    Up to now most of the new immigrants know ..there is nothing for them in canada unless and until they bring huge cash in their pockets, canadian govt. has no restrictions on cash.

    All the money is flowing from middle east /china /hongkong….
    Do you realize who is opening new businesses in canada or buying homes…. It’s all immigrants who is adding up the demand.

    Simple fact …. On such a huge unemployment in Canada….I do not believe what canadian govt says in terms of unemployment %…..If no inflow of people, then whether rental places should be cheaper or homes should be cheaper…But both are expensive.. where the demands is coming from???????

    Do you realize for 1 labor position is Home depot in Toronto.. there are 200 applicants applies who are also highly over qualified.
    Guys … what is happening to your Math?

    Canadian like to dream and they will continue dreaming as soon as immigration doors are open.

  • Rick Ackerman March 29, 2010, 1:34 am

    Posted by Rick for Brock Harrington:

    Hey
    Great article. Im a canuck looking to move back to Canada after 17 years down here- I can feel it and smell it – that brick wall is approaching fast for America – and I agree 100% on your predictions for Canada. I’ll be renting for a while – when we move back – and will buy something at fire sale from some oil patch guy who formulated his life’s plan when oil was 150 barrel – and the flames were winning….LOL

    As for Canada I was born in Scotia – and am concerned the 300 year depression back there will only get worse. My wife is from Alberta and if our home ever sells here we are heading north before our dollars value heads too far south – ie zero.

    cheers

    Brock Harrington
    Indy

  • Rick Ackerman March 29, 2010, 1:33 am

    Posted by Rick for Lance Compton:

    hello Rick
    i just read your most interesting article
    I am a canadian….living in BC….on Vancouver Island…..i work in the forest industry……
    i agree with everything that you commented on in your article…..except for the fact that we are going to see another crash ……
    i watch the markets everyday….read many articles…..i even get a weekly newsletter from Chris Laird…..and he is even of the view that he foresees at some point a market crash…..his time frame is the end of March

    now my argument against a market crash is this…….when we started to crash in 2008….the Feds then started to put their printing presses into high gear…..and put forward to the general public the believe that nothing or anybody is going to go down and around the world money was set to the lowest rates possible…….stock markets started to move up…..even though its all fake……that doesn’t matter to the general public…i don’t even think they believe its fake…and as long as the Fed can keep the public thinking everything is cool……the printing presses will stay in full swing…….and as long as the printing presses are working in high gear…….real estate …stock markets…..everything is going to keep looking cool……..( even though you and i know differently) …and even if the bond market starts to look like its going to raise rates……the Fed will step in and buy that too…….keeping everything looking cool……ya right!!!!!!!!

    so that is my view at this time…….am i right?……I have no idea….its just that everything seems to be happy as long as the Fed is feeding it worthless dollars

    thanks for listening
    Lance

  • Rick Ackerman March 29, 2010, 1:27 am

    Posted by Rick for Shawn Urlocker:

    Rick you’re a bright guy for sure, but the guy that wrote that stuff on real estate in Canada seems to be taking into consideration a lot of items and ignoring many at the same time.
    Toronto’s a city has always been expensive. Vancouver will never sell off as it is one of the most desirable places to live in the world.
    The TSX has been lead by banks, gold has not contributed to the TSX rally. Oil has contributed modestly, utlities have been quite strong.
    Banks have been the key as they represent a large percent and have surprisingly in some ways done well. Nobody has held a gun at anybody’s head to drive these markets up, and in fact average Joe is still not really engaged in the market. Foreign institutions buy our shares to get the currency kick on top of the stock kick. If the currency declines, the banks will face an exodus, it happens all the time.
    US is a big partner, but Canada is a two tiered economy; exports to the US are important, but we sell a lot of resources and those markets are global. Every economy is making transitions and adjustments, that is the way markets work. Canada has less adjustments than most.
    Potash was a one time event, as farmers as well as India/ China took a year off which is possible, but 2 years off is not as easy.
    Alberta is mainly Nat Gas, and drilling for sure is cyclical, always has been.
    We are tied to US and we are tied to Global. If any of that stuff he wrote were true, the same could be said for Australia. Sydney is expensive for a reason. I would buy real estate in Vancouver if it slumped. People are not over leveraged in Canada, and our gov’t will not run deficits for that long, allegedly. Gold has very little bearing on the TSX and the Gold Index is a long way from being the leader. BCE, TRP, TD, RY, RIM, T,
    AGU, POT, CNQ, have all risen and they are heavy weights. G, AEM, ABX have been weak.
    I am extremely cautious of markets at all times, but we are a long way from euphoric up here, that is for sure.
    SU

  • Benjamin March 23, 2010, 2:06 am

    Gary Paul 03.22.10 at 4:42 am : “[transfer payments] goes to the endless gold-plated social programs that we have entitled ourselves to. Who’s going to send us transfer payments now?”

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t Ontario the major manufacturing and trade hub of Canada? If so, that would mean U.S. dollars pay for the health care of many Canadians, seeing as how Ontario is where those transfer payments come from.
    Would also explain why Canada’s health care system works so well (so I’m endlessly told by the socialists down here).

    But I suppose that doesn’t matter anymore. We passed health care legislation, eh! We’re broke, eh!

    But here’s something interesting about the reasons behind it… We often hear that there’s 50 million Americans without insurance. In the beginning, I read there wasn’t really more than 20 or 30 million. I don’t know what the case is, nor do I really care, but there are 30 some million Canadians, and they are Americans as well. Even Mexicans. We’re all North Americans. I smell a bailout in that legislation.

    FranSix 03.22.10 at 5:12 am

    “One hugely ironic detail of the housing bubble in Canada, is it should have collapsed not long after the U.S. … perhaps part of the reason is that the same U.S. taxpayers’ money used to bail out Wall St. banks is finding its way directly into the Canadian housing market.”

    What I recall from the time those bailouts were approved, the U.S. had loaned some 500 billion to the Bank of Switzerland so that they could make franc loans to some eastern European countries, to either create or sustain their housing bubble. I don’t remember which. I tried looking for the story, but it was quite a while ago. Maybe someone out there can verify this?

  • S. Aprov March 23, 2010, 1:09 am

    Cameroni … rice-a-roni …. once again, you really should check your facts….
    Toronto real estate is in a bubble? A buying frenzy in Toronto? Real estate is going to crash? The old guys are getting out to sell to the young whipper snappers who are one paycheque away from disaster?

    Well , unlike you, I actually live in Toronto and I don’t see this at all. In fact, what I see are 30 somethings with big fat dual incomes selling to other thirty somethings with big fat dual incomes. Most of the 70 somethings are long gone …. about five years ago actually. In my area, there are few homes for sale and little interest in selling. There are no line ups outside the door as there were in the 1980s.

    BTW, according to one real estate broker’s facts (Feb 2010), the avg. GTA (that’s Greater Toronto Area in case you were wondering) resale price in 2009 was $395,460 Cdn vs. $379,347 Cdn in 2008. Hmm … hardly a 10% increase … actually it’s only about 4.2%!

    Maybe you should stick to Potash prognostications?

    Regards

  • S David March 23, 2010, 12:47 am

    Every man, woman and child in Canada currently owes $15,464.87 for their share of Canada’s public debt @ $513.6 Billion

    Every man, woman and child in the United States currently owes $41,673 for their share of the U.S. public debt @ $12.6 Trillion

    Source: http://www.davemanuel.com/us-national-debt-clock.php

    Of course Canada won’t escape the clutches of a depressed US economy. They are just in much better shape to weather the storm.

    Not one developed country is completely immune from the economic terrorism (could you call it anything else?) the US banks have unleashed on the world.

  • Seer March 22, 2010, 9:16 pm

    I am clad to see that there are others that think the same as me. It is stunning to me that people keep buying RE and to hear them qoute their agents who told them “you better get in now, prices are going up”. I find it very hard to believe that people are still buying houses, and builders are still building. The Winter Olympics may have helped Vancouver market some, I note that there was some very expensive houses sold during the Olympics to visitors. I’m not sure how this relates to the average person starting out looking for a house to live in. I think for most of the houses are sold now (in British Columbia) to people who think the market will continue to rise and they will pick up big bucks when they sell and move in a couple or four years. This was true for five years ago but not so much now.
    I think in for five years will see all these investors looking at a mortgage is bigger than their house and wondering what to do. Perhaps a strategic default?
    I’m not quite sure how strategic default work in Canada but I’m sure it can be done.
    One of the really odd things that I’ve noticed is property away up in the interior of British Columbia that a few years ago you could buy for $5000 has now increased ( or I should say the asking price as, because it still has no value) to around 50 or $60,000.
    I wish someone would tell me why that $5000 lot is now worth 50 grand? Of course it’s not and that that’s why it hasn’t sold.
    Some of the older houses that had a little bit of acreage and a big barn sold a couple of years ago for grow ops. Most of them were shut down and moved on now leaving a worthless piece of property behind. Even these properties are asking for big bucks.
    I know of two that were sold to people that needed bulldozer practice and at a decent price. I think you will see more of this and a huge drop in prices both in the lower mainland and the interior of British Columbia.

  • Jay March 22, 2010, 7:50 pm

    I think some parts of this article are true, some are at least disputable. Michael P had a very nice comment here, and I agree, our position is better. We need to learn from what we saw happening in the U.S. recently. Things might get a bit rougher in close future, in some places, but I wouldn’t be that pessimistic.

  • Rich March 22, 2010, 7:39 pm

    Great trades Rick and mighty astute comments here folks.
    Big4 have new Ultra Long Bond (>25 years) short.
    Thirty year bond yield target is 6.4, approaching a triple
    above the 2.519% Dec 2009 Crash lows.
    This suggests lower asset prices across the board.
    The markets so far today celebrating 0Care passage by
    lower most asset prices and gunning paper. When more
    people figure out GE and Shadow Banks hold margins and
    mortgages on declining asset prices, we may see Crash II.
    About all 0Care accomplishes is raising taxes and medical prices
    with higher demand and fixed supply, creating bottlenecks and
    shortages with even more red tape.
    No wonder AMA and PharmCos loved it.
    Weep for the dying consumer economy…
    http://stockcharts.com/charts/gallery.html?$tyx

  • FranSix March 22, 2010, 5:38 pm

    You have to wonder if Canadian banks are not lending money to buy their shares. But I wouldn’t place any faith in oil price stability, either.

    Housing chart available here:

    http://www.gettingtechnical.com/01_home/market_commentary/can_en.html

    If this chart were properly scaled, it would make a big difference on how housing prices are viewed. That being said, its the only chart available anywhere you look. Its like housing prices are this big secret.

    This differs wildly from the S&P TSX Capped Real Estate Index:

    http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$SPTRE&p=W&st=2002-01-01&id=p31592049983&a=187720108&listNum=2&listNum=2

  • bobtor March 22, 2010, 5:34 pm

    Thank you Martin for reinforcing some of the key points of my comments that seem to be lost on Cameroni. I too was not saying that Canada is in great economic shape, but that by comparison we are doing much better than the US, for the reasons you have mentioned and for many other. And Cameroni, I am not a real estate professional any more than i am a stock professional; I merely invest in both real estate and in stocks. I just like to know the rules of the games I play, hence my knowledge of real estate financing.

    Real estate prices will not crash in Canada in the manner or to the extent they have in the US. We do not have rental stock in our cities to accommodate the people coming in. The economics of cost and rents and rent controls in many Canadian cities have precluded the recent building of new rental stock. By recent, I mean the past 15-20 years! Most of what young people are buying today in Toronto are tiny shoe boxes by the standards of their parents–2 bedrooms and a den in 800 square feet or less. More like the European version of a “home” than the American based suburban dream.

    Real estate prices will go down and real estate prices will go up. They always have and always will. Like the stock market, if you can come close to identifying a trough, buy and have the staying power and capital to ride out the bad times you will do spectacularly well, much the same as if you bought stocks at last year’s March crash.

    The real estate markets in BC and Ontario are also being driven currently by the HST which comes into effect July 1. This will add (in the case of Ontario) 8% tax to the price of a new home (as well as similar % tax on legal and real estate fees). This is driving the market for closings before June 30. Put down your newspaper and walk into the sales offices of the various condos for sale in Toronto (not the suburbs, but the city). You will be amazed to find lots of “middle aged” buyers, empty nesters, single women of all ages, some seniors, and yes, lots of young people too, buying units.

    The point I was trying to make, which you turned into a tirade against the Canadian economy and its dependence on its largest trade partner, the US, is that, quite simply, the conditions that were the root causes of the US real estate crash do not and can not exist in Canada. Of course it was designed to protect the banks….it’s the banks’ money that is put up! But it also protects the consumers against their own greed and foolishness, unlike the US, where those trais were encouraged. You cannot buy a house up here that you cannot currently afford. That is not to say you will be able to afford it a couple of years from now if you lose your job. In the US people were being given loans that they could not service on the ruse that the price of their house would only go up, they could refinance and pay down the loan.

    I walked from Madison and 25th to Broadway and 78th in New York a short while back. That long walk takes in some of the most prestigious and expensive commercial real estate in the world. I was shocked. Huge corner commercial spaces that commanded seven figure rents were vacant–and tons of them. Go to the suburbs and there are malls and strip plazas that are literally vacant. Get off the oceanfront strips in Florida and such and there are almost whole blocks of homes up for sale or repossessed or foreclosed. That is not happening up here. There is in fact too little supply on the resale housing market in cities like Toronto right now, driving up prices.

    Separate and distinct from residential real estate issues, there is a commercial real estate crisis brewing in the US in the billions of dollars. All of those vacant properties I mentioned have mortgages but no income. Apart from the lack of capital available to finance them, the owners no longer have tenants and the required income to pay the monthly costs, so further severe losses are imminent. Clever and well funded “bottom fishers” are salivating and digging into their war chests for long term holds. The Reichmann’s with Olympia York did it in NYC in the 70’s and ended up collecting more in annual rents a few years later than they paid for the properties. Sure, they subsequently blew most of it in the UK but that;s a different story., Brookfield is making the same move today in cities like Washington. One of Boston’s commercial skyscrapers sold for a small percentage of its construction cost. We seem to be coming back to a situation where money talks…and BS walks.

    So do not misunderstand, Cameroni. I do not think in any way that the tail wags the dog and that Canada’s economy has become autonomous of that of the US. But we do have the good fortune of having lots of petroleum, which the world continues to want; as well as gold and silver and uranium and diamonds and many other commodities that remain required, regardless of the ebb and flow of quantities. Full employment in this country is deemed to be somewhere in the 5-6 % range in large part (in my view) due to our overly generous welfare state. The parking lots of our malls are full and it is nowhere near Christmas. Lineups at the border are hours long again for cross border shopping participants going and coming. We went from losing 20 members at our yacht club by the 2008-2009 season to gaining the same number for the 2010-2011 season. And their boats are a lot bigger than the older folks who were compelled to give it up and sell.

    Of course trade matters, Cameroni. And of course the universal facets of economic function apply to Canada. I consulted for a company for over 30 years that moved to the US last year and took 120 jobs with it. I consulted for another multinational for 16 years that closed its Toronto manufacturing plant three years ago and moved it to Singapore, even though the cost of shipping the goods back to North America is greater than the labor savings. That put another 300 out of work. We are not immune to economic downswings. But please understand that in Canada we simply do not have the fundamental systemic banking corruption, ranging from absurdly “liberal” (i.e., irresponsible) government sanctioned bank reserve ratios to outright systemically fraudulent (by Canadian standards) lending practices that was endemic in the US. Sure, people here may end up at times, and always at the wrong time, having a home worth less than their mortgage. But a fundamental difference is that cannot be the case from the very date of acquisition, as routinely occurred in the US.

    I am glad my comments have been able to stir up such spirited discussion.!

  • antiphos March 22, 2010, 3:02 pm

    Thanks for the comment from teh Saskatchewan poster, which I agree with 100%. We live in “bubbles” Toronto and fall into his retirement group and we sold our house over 3 years ago, expecting what what he says, and we were a bit too early as it turned out. In fact, I am a bit surprised that it is taking so long to manifest in this part of the world. Where we live in Toronto (renting) in mid-town, there is no obvious sign of a recession aside from a slight drop in restaurant patrons and a few, very few, stores shuttered. Other than that, the economy still looks quite healthy here.

  • JeffM March 22, 2010, 2:45 pm

    I would disagree with some of this article, I can only speak for the province which I work in. I know first hand that in oil and gas industry, things are picking up, we are building more facilities for new wells. We’ve hired 4-5 people in the last month and that has nothing to do with the Olympics. As for oil sands, family members of mine have been working up there all year and things are picking up as well. Money is flowing into Alberta.

    Ontario be damned. B.C & Sask still has enormous oil and gas reserves.

  • Martin Snell March 22, 2010, 1:01 pm

    A few points on Canada

    1. Mortgage interest is not tax deductible, which is one more small thing that stops real estate from getting as crazy as in the US. That is not to say that there will not be problems – there definitely will be though the problems will vary greatly with where you are in the country. There is no “Canadian” real estate market.

    As one example I bought a place 3 years ago. t has since gone up in price by 15% … but there are NONE for sale. On our street of 75 houses only 5 have changed hands in the last 3 years. People just do not move as much as in the US and thus are willing to sit on a loss for longer, if they experience one.

    2. Canada went through a MUCH worse recession in the 1989-1991 period, triggered by adjustments caused by free trade. Then it was bad (kind of like the US now), with for sale signs and for lease signs everywhere. In some ways that period set the stage for Canada’s “fiscal sanity” over the last 15 years (until the conservatives got back into power and started cutting taxes while the Bank of Canada was raising rates), and helped do a lot of the restructuring of the economy. Canadians even got to a point where they kicked a government out that wanted to reduce taxes further (the conservatives in Ontario).

    3. Canada is an energy exporter. As long as energy prices stay high Canada will benefit. By comparison the US sends about $20 billion a month overseas to pay for its car culture (The US has 1.01 cars per driver vs 0.7 in Canada and in general Canadians drive more fuel efficient vehicles – Canadians also pay more for fuel.)

    4. Canada does not blow money on defense. The US spends 50% of total world defense expenditures. That is a mighty big parasite sucking on the American economy.

    5. The TSX rise is not solely resource companies. The banks too have returned to their pre crash highs! Then again the banking sector is far more rational in Canada. The government puts pretty strict limits on what they can and can not do – they have essentially become utilities, which is probably what you want your banks to be anyway (nice return, less risk). The key was a few years back when the Liberal government would not let the banks merge (imagine that in the US). The banks screamed at the time, now they are thanking their stars.

    6. There are still some bright spots for employment. A company in our town is hiring 100 people a week, unfortunately it has to import many of them from overseas (technical/engineers), though that has kept the local housing market strong.

    7. Socially Canada has a more “stable” less unbalanced society. The US has to pay a high cost for high incarceration rates, higher crime rates, lower educational standards, and a lack of universal health care (itself about a 6% drag on the economy).

    8. In the US Social Security savings are used on budget to fund the US debt (and artificially reduce the US deficit). What a sham. In Canada the CPP is an independent entity with and independent investment board http://www.cppib.ca/ – the money is not all in Canadian debt)

    All that said Canada’s position is still not all that great. It only really looks good in comparison to where everyone else is.

    Fifteen years of paying down debt has given Canada a bit more breathing room than most and made for less of a long term structural deficit. This fiscal sanity has also allowed Canadian interest rates to fall and stay below US rates for the first time in my lifetime. My prime rate is now 2.25% (vs 3.25% in the US I believe) and which has provided a nice cushion (short term?) to Canadian borrowers.

    For the next few years Canada will face some very hard times, but it appears to be better positioned than the US for these hard times.

  • Michael P March 22, 2010, 12:38 pm

    Canada is the largest sub-prime lender in the world, 90% are securitized. The very same path followed by the US. The mortgages are being secured directly by Canada’s government entity the CMHC, the government will likely be holding about one half a trillion by years end. Surprisingly, Canadian banks are taking little risk , 2007 to 2009 they only increased total mortgage credit outstanding by 0.01. Ninety per cent of the mortgage growth has been accounted for by mortgage backed securities . The Canadian government has decided to handle all the risk. Incidentally, AIG and GE Capital also have stakes in the Canadian mortgage market. Time bomb perhaps, I’m thinking nuclear explosion.

  • mario cavolo March 22, 2010, 8:06 am

    Cameroni gets big respect and a Bravo! for this intelligent and insightful commentary…Cheers, Mario

  • FranSix March 22, 2010, 5:12 am

    Sure real estate is going to crash. The newspapers have long promoted the line that ‘Canada’s housing is not in a bubble’ while really its pure semantics saying that real estate won’t crash.

    Debt to GDP numbers are very hard to come across here. Because austerity measure will immediately call into question issues of sovereignty. Not only that, but Canada has no gold in its central bank.

    Nobody seems to know just what credit default swaps are. Try to point out how the fallout of the ABCP has now burdened the taxpayer with a massive deficit, and that the derivatives exchange in Montreal was bailed out, and merged with the TSX. A little known detail about the depression in the 30’s is that all trading on the Montreal exchange moved to the Toronto Stock Exchange. We are seeing a quiet repetition of the past here.

    But I will attempt to point out that while there is some measure of worldwide trepidation over the rise of long rates, inflation fighting measures amongst central bankers are focussed on raising short rates. I don’t think the real estate crash will come from a rise in long rates, because long rates can remain stubbornly low for a very long time. The question will come in on how the IRX performs over coming weeks and months, because this is where Canadian debt markets follow closely on American bond rates.

    One hugely ironic detail of the housing bubble in Canada, is it should have collapsed not long after the U.S., but since the Canadian market was wide open for packing mortgages and selling & trading risk, due to changes brought about by the conswervative gubmint, perhaps part of the reason is that the same U.S. taxpayers’ money used to bail out Wall St. banks is finding its way directly into the Canadian housing market.

  • Rich March 22, 2010, 4:51 am

    The House just passed the Senate version of Healthcare and cheers rang out like celebrating the collision of the Titanic with the iceberg. It may not happen immediately, but we already know the outcome. The US Economy is sunk…

    And by Cameroni’s logic herein, so is Canada kaput, and any other country trading with the USA, Congress being one of the few legisdlative bodies left in the world believing in free lunch and getting something for nothing…

  • Gary Paul March 22, 2010, 4:42 am

    Fantastic article Rick. I’ve heard some of the best commentators in the world make the mistake of thinking Canada is doing great, some even calling it the world’s best. I think that’s because they don’t actually live here so don’t understand what is really happening. Canada is just good at hiding the reality (I remember waking up one morning and Harper had announced that instead of a surplus we were billions in debt. Where did that come from?).

    In fact, I would dare say that in a crisis Canada is the MOST vulnerable out of any country on earth for the reasons given by Cameroni. Look, in the frozen province where I live, we produce about fifty bucks worth of GDP but take in billions in “transfer payments” every year, mostly from Ontario. This money goes to the endless gold-plated social programs that we have entitled ourselves to. Who’s going to send us transfer payments now? If the resource sector ever collapses, Canada is doomed.