A Hard Look at ‘Ponzi USA’

Our assertion here yesterday that stock-market bulls have bought into an epic swindle elicited some spirited discussion in the Rick’s Picks forum.  We remain dumbfounded by the fact that there are otherwise intelligent people out there — Fred Hapgood, old friend, are you listening? —  who think the economy will somehow extricate itself from the morass without our  suffering a period of misery equal in severity to the Great Depression. How could anyone believe that the Ponzi scheme being perpetrated by The Government is anything but a brazen deception worthy of Goebbels?  Here’s a post from “DG” that throws cold water on some of the fantasies and delusions that so far have helped keep The System nominally afloat:

“Reading the comments in the forum yesterday, I was struck by the nonsense of a comment stating that there was no fraud. Seriously? The real estate boom was not fraudulent, when it is documented that there were fraudulent loans creating fraudulent buyers offering fraudulent prices? Doesn’t that indicate fraudulent price discovery? Isn’t the real estate collapse documenting this? (More than 7 million homes in some state of ‘off-the-market-yet-for-sale’ price discovery?)  The credit-crisis duct-tape repair job is not fraudulent when you take from taxpayers, to ‘kinda make whole,’ the same buyers who created the aforementioned fraud?

What kind of rube actually believes the credit crisis is behind us?

“Does the bottomless pit of Fannie Mae seem a bit odd?  It seems like a house on fire, where they just keep coming with fresh wood from the mill to pile on and destroy more capital. Public pensions? How can someone who for 30 years contributes 8% of an average $50,000 income (for a $120,000 total) realistically expect to spend the following 30 years extracting $80,000 a year? These are better returns than Bernie Madoff offered. (Don’t tweak me on my numbers – they are close enough, and many are far worse.) Not at all possible. (And yet, pensioners somehow think this is more ‘real’ than Social Security.)  It is fraud from the beginning,  just not stated. Social Security never penciled, which is why it rose from a 1% tax to 15% over 70 years. And it still doesn’t pencil. We could continue for quite a while here (Medicare and Medicare Part D, for example) – the numbers are in the significant fraction of a quadrillion dollars.

Bernanke’s Fraudulent Numbers

“To state that PEs are healthy is silly. That is what Bernanke said over and over about housing 2005-7. YouTube-it and imagine him in a dunce cap. Sure, there were numbers that supported his thesis, but the numbers were based on fraud, which makes the entire argument fraudulent. The dollar is a debt instrument which supports all of these frauds. Either the frauds all get called out and they collapse, or the dollar does it for them. Either way, it is going to be horrible for us Americans. Dow 15000? In what currency and how many barrels of oil will that buy? It simply cannot pencil without a huge haircut in currency devaluation.

“I think the hardest part for all of us is accepting the timing of this slow-motion crisis. History shows that these events take decades to build up and go on long enough for the naysayers to be pronounced wrong because their forecasts of doom have been disproven by time — and then they are right in a blink!. Either you were on the right side, or not, with very little if any time to change. We’ve been warned. HFT has shown us how much time you will have via the ‘flash crash.’  Nuts!”

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  • jon July 17, 2010, 5:23 am

    Don’t even place your bets on this one, because this is about a change in consciousness, it does not even involve money.

  • Benjamin July 16, 2010, 10:15 pm

    While I don’t nessecarily agree with F Beard’s plan, this struck me as highly laughable and offensive, and so I’m going to lash out…

    “But a large part of the horrific private debt you refer to was fully discretionary, buying more than necessary, or buying at all. That also INCLUDES overpriced homes, people did not have to buy at all, and certainly not everybody HAS to have granite countertops, one bathroom per bedroom (for the 6-year olds!), etc.”

    Granite countertops for the kids. Puh-leeeze. Let me tell you the story of my folks, and the many I know of in the same situation. And none of them have granite anything, one bathroom, etc… Though they probably should (I would say gold, however) for all they’ve paid on their debts…

    In 1986, they started financing their first home, for 32,000. By 1996 however, the roof starts leaking and the city for some reason says the gargage is an eyesore (ie, tear it down or be fined). But hey, that’s what cheap Polish immigrant labor is for (I don’t recommend that, btw, because in the process they tore up the yard and left a big mess… but I digress).

    Okay, to that point they paid 36,000 on the mortgage, with about 12k to go. But it’s the 90s. Downsize, outsource… you fall behind on payments, which the interest has no problem destroying any progress you’ve made and even will make once your back on your feet. Now, they did make one mistake. They took out a HELOC to get by on. They also helped my brother with some of his education expenses.

    Okay, so it went up to 90,000 in total. From about 2000 onward, though, they did manage to keep up with every single payment. So it’s down to (drum roll…) 78,000. In total, they’ve paid 132,000 for what amounted to a nominal 80,000 in debt.

    Granite countertops my ass. If you wanna talk about who’s getting the real free ride, let’s talk about the usurers and how they’ve been making out. They’re probably the ones with the GD granite countertops. Let’s talk about the government, what taxes you because those usurers always manage to buy up THEIR debt to impossibly high levels.

    And don’t give me that lip about renting vs owning. That’s utter bull. If anyone really thinks renters and landlords haven’t been affected by all this… Well, I would say wake up, but since they haven’t so far they probably never will, and so would do humanity better in just dying in their coma. Useless. And not to put too fine a point on it, but landownership in this country has quite a bit more meaning than competing with the GD Joneses. To engage in policies that put ownership out of reach of the majority of people (even those landlords who rent their property out) is criminal, and it only makes the citizen likewise a criminal. Don’t own your land, you’re not supposed to vote. Period. And don’t even get me started on property taxes and what it’s like to fall behind on that.

    Anyway, of ten family members I know of, that’s pretty much the situation. Not a single granite countertop, or granite anything for that matter. One bathroom, no more than 1.5 acres…

    All I want to know is: where’s their granite countertops? That’s the big mystery, here. Screw gold. Where’s the rocks?!

  • Chris T. July 16, 2010, 9:56 pm

    F. Beard:

    your proposal reads like a free lunch, and we know how many of those there are.

    “What I propose is running the fractional reserve looting mechanism backwards which turns out to be as simple as distributing new legal tender fiat equally to every US adult.”

    You clearly understand the nature, fraud and all, of the fractional reserve and fiat system.
    Yet you propose a cure that consists of more of the same, hoping for a different outcome?
    That is a definition of something, btw.

    One must suppose that you believe an out-of-the-air creation of more money that is then distributed EQUALLY to everyone will make a difference vs. the system where it causes an UNEQUAL distribution (as present, from the middle to the top, as per Mises)?

    This makes no sense, and that distinction won’t do it.
    Are you also propsing that this equal distribution of the new money will become the only money going forward, or would you allow the old money to continue as well?

    If you would allow the latter case (old + new), then there should be very little relative effect for the haves, as this tides carries everyone up equally. For the have nots, yes they would be able to destroy the debt, but much of that is not held or owed to those who have defrauded us.

    And if you believe in the former case, you will needlessly give to those who should not receive anything, and keep from those that should get more.

    Finally, people with real assets unencumbered will still do best, and guess who those are?

    • hg July 17, 2010, 2:15 am

      Chris T.: “Yet you propose a cure that consists of more of the same, hoping for a different outcome?
      That is a definition of something, btw.”

      Fiat money and borrowed fiat money are not the same, btw.

  • Chris T. July 16, 2010, 9:29 pm

    “It simply cannot pencil without a huge haircut in currency devaluation.”

    As in my post earlier, that is one of way to discharge the debt, default by inflation. This should elicit no uh-ohs around here, as Rick has stated that he believes in a serious (if not nec. hyper-) inflation after the deflation.

    As to healthy PEs:

    see this chart at:
    http://www.chartoftheday.com/20100716.htm?T

    Look at the chart and comment there for how long, and how often the current $60+ EPS has existed historically.
    Hardly the norm!

  • F. Beard July 16, 2010, 9:13 pm

    How do you reverse the installation of a 2ok outdoor kitchen if you have to place everyone back to where they were before they signed that contract? Chris T

    The price of that 20K outdoor kitchen was paid via inflation when money was created from nothing via the FR (fractional reserve) loan process. The purchasing power was stolen from all money holders in the process. What I propose is running the fractional reserve looting mechanism backwards which turns out to be as simple as distributing new legal tender fiat equally to every US adult.

    It would:
    a. enable underwater home owners to pay down their mortgages to market price levels.
    b. compensate savers for years of artificially suppressed interest rates.
    c. Fix the banks in nominal terms.
    d. Fix state tax revenues.

    Our banking system is essentially a government backed counterfeiting cartel that pits borrowers vs savers. Well, it turns out that both savers and borrowers can be made good while at the same time fixing the banks in nominal terms. Not only is it justice but it is poetic justice in that it uses government to fix a problem caused by government privilege.

  • Chris T. July 16, 2010, 8:49 pm

    F.Beard writes:
    “Because the population was driven into unserviceable debt by the government backed fractional reserve banking cartel.”

    For that part of people’s expenditures that went higher and higher due to the long-term inflation you refer to AND that was NOT discretionary, you may be correct.
    But a larg part of the horrific private debt you refer to was fully discretionary, buying more than necessary, or buying at all. That also INCLUDES overpriced homes, people did not have to buy at all, and certainly not everybody HAS to have granite countertops, one bathroom per bedroom (for the 6-year olds!), etc.

    “…simply because of accounting entries then a reversal might easily be accomplished via accounting entries too.”

    Those that are the beneficiaries of these “accouting” entries (and that is the redistributive (to the top) reason for having this system in the first place), will NEVER voluntarily give up these gains in order to make such entry-reversals, because they control this system. How would this be implemented against them?

    Thus not so simple at all.
    You seem to envision something like the reversal of a so-called mis-trade on an exchange.
    Well, if you look at the history of how those mistrades are handled, they are (virtually) ALWAYS in favor of the financial industry actor and against the private party.
    Try it yourself, put in a limit sales order at an “absurd” price and then claim a mistrade for all the typical reasons and see if you can get the whole thing reversed.

    BUT, even if you would succeed, the transaction is fully reversible at that point, with a return to the “status-quo-ante”.

    Thus is impossible, because real things (including services) have been performed and remunerated.
    How do you reverse the installation of a 2ok outdoor kitchen if you have to place everyone back to where they were before they signed that contract?

    Once a contractual debt has been incurred, it can only be discharged in two ways: meet the obligation or default.
    This is also the major flaw behind the argument of those who poh-poh the BIS’ world total derivatives numbers of 500-600trillion as being just “notional”, and thus supposedly without meaning or consequence.

    EVERY ONE of those notional dollars has a real consequence because it backs a contractual obligation, and thus needs to be gotten rid-off as above.

    This is of course also true for public debt: If you un-account those, where will all those relying on the promised future income get it from (social security, public pensions, etc)?
    Default is the inescapable conclusion, with the sea of tears that will bring.

  • JohnJay July 16, 2010, 8:15 pm

    Robert: Re LBJ
    We went from silver coins to token ones in 1965 under the Johnson regime, and all at once too.
    I think it took the Romans 150 years to debase the denarius to 2% silver, Johnson was in a hurry I guess!
    If I remember correctly, Bell Helicopter (Fort Worth, Texas) was almost bankrupt before the Vietnam war put the sales of Huey helicopters through the roof.
    Might be a Texas connection there!
    Goldwater was painted as crazy warmonger, LBJ said “he wasn’t going to send American boys to fight a war that was the business of Asian boys”.
    What a character.

  • Pastor Steve Wright July 16, 2010, 6:25 pm

    I can surmise an approximate understanding of the term “does not pencil” but would someone tell me the exact meaning, maybe with a synonym.
    Compute?
    Balance?

    I like to be precise in my wording, should I read or use this term in the future. (One of my pet peeves being the use of “beg the question” or “ironic” when not appropriate)

    Thanks!

  • JohnJay July 16, 2010, 3:59 pm

    The Ponzi scheme US economy has already imploded for those at the bottom of the economic pyramid.
    As Unemployment Insurance runs out for those who used it to stay out of the gutter, (erstwhile “Middle Class” with no savings) the implosion will work it’s way up the pyramid. Offshoring, illegal and legal (H1-B) immigration, and looting by the military-industrial-financial complex is a fait accompli. Now it is just a question of how far up the pyramid the Depression spreads. I would say LBJ lit the fractal fuse for the destruction of this country, and every President and Congress since him has done their part to accelerate the chain reaction. Eisenhower was the last guy with any common sense and old fashioned patriotism, most likely due to his command responsibilities in WWII.

    • Robert July 16, 2010, 5:55 pm

      “Eisenhower was the last guy with any common sense and old fashioned patriotism, most likely due to his command responsibilities in WWII.”

      -True true true. Eisenhower warned of the industrial miltary complex, and Kennedy looked to be heeding his warnings and acting on them, and look where that got him… and them came Mr Super-Social-Reform LBJ.

      I’m going to call it as I see it- Lyndon Banes Johnson was an evil man. Lauded by Democrats as the Crowned Prince of social reform and race relations in the US, he simultaneously sent more men of african descent overseas to be killed than any Commander in Chief in history, yet you never read about this inconvenient dichotomy in the history books.

      Frankly, I believe LBJ might have been an illegitimate bastard offspring of Prescott Bush, because despite LBJ’s Democratic party affiliations, he sure walked like a Bush, talked like a Bush, and acted like a Bush…

      I think Cameroni is right- as a collective, we are screwed six ways from Sunday. The only way the individual is going to survive (or perhaps even prosper) will be to devoid themselves of any/all financial dependence on “the system”…

  • TheSparkle July 16, 2010, 3:13 pm

    No fraud? LOL. I won’t go into the issue, but the system is fraudulent from the top to the bottom. And, even when it was ‘working properly’ we were still being had.

  • Rich July 16, 2010, 3:00 pm

    “Any rationale response that shows how the government can alleviate $3 ($13?) trillion in debt, continue to expand government agencies that do not enforce any rules , and raise taxes on their citizens who’s loss of wealth has continued over the last decade, will of course , be listened to and pondered. But, here is the key – base the argument on facts , not theory.”

    First, end Fed central command fractional usury and go to a fixed money supply that gains value with economic productivity like BRK used to do.

    Second, end IRS income and payroll taxes and replace them with the transparent uniform 28 basis point Automated Payment Transaction Tax.

    Third, limited Constitutional government of, by and for the people, impeaching those who did not uphold their Constitutional oaths of office.

    Facts: 234 years of growth to the most prosperous economy ever. When JFK and Reagan cut taxes and red tape, our economy grew and living standards increased. Imagine what happens when we cut government borrowing and spending warfare welfare to stop robbing prosperity.

    To paraphrase BSB, we have a wonderful discovery.
    It is not the printing press or fractional reserve central banking, planning and usury, but the invisible hand of free markets efficiently allocating capital, not for gambling, but productive enterprise…

    Imagine how quickly things can improve by returning to the principles that made America great. Hopefully, it will not require an iron man on a big white horse to get there, although General Washington fit the bill…

    • Rich July 18, 2010, 2:47 am

      But I repeat myself…;

  • John Wilson July 16, 2010, 2:29 pm

    What amazes me is that the American people continue to support the fraud.
    Housing price collapse, loss of real wealth, lack of any sort of honesty in the government and big business.
    Yet , Americans still pay on houses that are worth less then what they were bought for.
    Bank at B of A, Wells Fargo, Chase, even though the banks only survive because of accounting fraud and government support.
    Allow the use of their taxpayer dollars to perpetuate the fraud by supporting banks and hedge funds through the PPIP program, unrealistic borrowing rates for the banks from the FED, allow deals for a brazen take over that is money in the bank for One West (The Indy Mac Bank “rescue” – that gives incentives to foreclose vs modify loans with the use of taxpayer dollars)
    To think that American people have accepted a $40,000 debt for each man , woman and child due to government spending and fraud is mind boggling! But, reality is what it is.
    New taxes and more government spending are on the horizon, and it looks like the citizenry are waiting to pay the note with happy faces – because this , after all is, is the greatest country in the world.
    I will suggest , that the U S A was the greatest country – and is now on the road to being a third world debtor, about ready to default on their loans, run by a corrupt elite that is hell bent on robbing what is left of the wealth of the middle class.
    Americans will accept it – they will make their house payments as their equity erodes, pay their increased taxes for government programs that they do not approve of, and go to the malls and buy things that they really do not need.
    All like trained little mice in a Pavlovian monetary experiment that is doomed to failure.
    The Tea Party or the Republicans are not going to change the tsunami that is heading our way – housing prices are going to continue to slide, taxes are going up. dollar will be worth less, big business will continue to ship jobs outside the U.S.A. , and unemployment will go up further and remain at high levels for years to come.
    I cannot imagine how things are going to improve – and have not heard one argument that has changed my view over the last 3 years – it is all based on theory.
    If you look at the facts – that every government that has done what we are doing now has either gone to dictatorship or fallen apart in mass chaos and revolt – it is inevitable that the same will eventually happen within the U.S.A.
    It is a reflection on the “good old days” that perpetuates the idea that the U.S. is the greatest country in the world. Those days are over .
    Any rationale response that shows how the government can alleviate $3 trillion in debt, continue to expand government agencies that do not enforce any rules , and raise taxes on their citizens who’s loss of wealth has continued over the last decade, will of course , be listened to and pondered. But, here is the key – base the argument on facts , not theory.

    • Cameroni July 16, 2010, 7:28 pm

      It amazes me too John that Americans continue to support fraud at such a level. But there is just no room for rational debate in your country anymore. It seems that anytime an argument comes up involving the suggestion of theft from taxpayers the individual is called a nut, a conspiracy theorist, a tin-hat wearing lunatic or rebel. All dismissive comments that put an end to real discussion and debate. It seems you just cannot discuss the obvious without wearing a negative label.

      But what is that old expression….”for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction”. This suggest to me that real political opposition will eventually make an appearance and try to correct imbalances of the past. Voters will demand it.

      The American people have been swindled by a government spending apparatus that is absolutely out of control, by bills passed that are so large and complex that the best economists in the land cannot understand them. And then they are rammed through and passed with very little real debate or discussion while leaving a stunned populous shaking it’s head and wondering what the consequences will be.

      And of course there is a sneaking suspicion amongst many that a huge brazen theft has been perpetrated at everyones expense. It is sickening really.

  • Darren July 16, 2010, 1:43 pm

    Let’s all go watch Bubbles dance. She danced right through the dot com bubble. Took off a few things during the real estate bubble. Now she’s butt naked dancing during this government bubble. Dance, Bubbles, dance! When will the dancing end? I don’t know, but it will end.

    Here are some thoughts:

    An Economy On Life Support Is Not Recovering
    http://www.nolanchart.com/article5841.html

    Recovery Depends on Investment and Capital Accumulation
    http://www.nolanchart.com/article5905.html

  • F. Beard July 16, 2010, 10:03 am

    In fact, that’s already happened. Banks aren’t lending, despite being bailed out. Putting it in other hands wouldn’t produce a different outcome. Benjamin

    Banks won’t lend into a deflating economy with an over indebted population. A distribution of new legal tender would remove debt. It would also put money into the hands of savers to spend if they wished.

    Even if all debtors paid their bills, what we’d wind up with is we’d have relatively pricey houses because the debt paid means that’s the price. Benjamin

    Savers would get an equal distribution; they would have no cause to complain.

    But not so much money circulating. You’d have 10,20,30K cars, but not so much money to buy them. Food prices are still elevated (producers have debts, too). And so on. When the debt is paid, that’s the price. Ben

    The velocity of money will drop even further as the population becomes more frightened from deflation.

    Which is where we are. And before you or anyone says anything… Shhhhh! We would NOT ever bootstrap our way out of that. Fact is, prices are going to have come down as debt is simply written off as a loss. The invisible hand must be allowed to do what must be done, which is to simply let correction take place. Default will have to set in because that’s the only way to make debt = money supply, such that lenders would have less/no fear of devaluation. That way, all they face is loss of money, not purchasing power. Ben

    Justice alone would justify that a bailout be attempted. Besides the fact that the banks are being bailed out is the fact that savers were cheated of honest interest rates and borrowers were driven into unserviceable debt. And it’s only money which these days is mostly accounting entries. And then there is the problem of debt forgiveness which the Lord commanded to the Hebrews (Deuteronomy 15, Leviticus 25). In those days debt was hard money not money-from-thin-air as today.

    Or we can risk Great Depression II and WWIII because people are unwilling to recognize that both phases of the boom-bust cycle (caused by fractional reserve lending) are evil.

  • F. Beard July 16, 2010, 9:41 am

    That’s the equivalent of saying everyone wins the lottery tomorrow. If that were the case, then the price of everything would skyrocket (except for lottery tickets) and all that “free money” would be virtually worthless. TM

    Then I guess it is impossible that everyone that would be helped is suffering at the same time too? But they are suffering: borrowers, savers, banks and government. All could be fixed with a distribution of new legal tender fiat given equally to every US adult. As for inflation risk, that could be handled by placing leverage restrictions on the banks. It was leverage that got US into trouble in the first place.

  • Tom Paine July 16, 2010, 7:22 am

    I agree whole-heartedly with the writer concerning the fraudulent nature of a “liabilities are assets” financial economy.

    I also sort of agree with some of the other comments, in that I think it might at least be possible that monetization of debt, if done correctly, could get us out of the mess without causing either a hyperinflationary or deflationary depression.

    Unfortunately, I don’t have time to describe a plausible scenario, even if I could. Certainly, with massive monetization, the risk would be toward hyperinflation if the best laid plans ganged agley, as they aft do. Even if hyperinflation were avoided those 30-year, $80,000 pensions mentioned in the article will certainly not buy the lifestyle that was imagined for them.

    On the other hand, I’m not sure it wouldn’t be better to let the great pile of unpayable paper promises burn and start over without the too big to fail banks to lord it over us. Whichever happens, I reckon the same people will end up with the most chits. Well, actually the Asians may end up with a lot more and Americans with fewer.

    I just pray–even if I do think it ineffectual–that civil society holds together through come what may. I actually think it might have a better chance of holding together through a monetization regime than the alternative, so…

    Rough sledding ahead.

    • Rich July 18, 2010, 2:47 am

      Bingo

  • Cameroni July 16, 2010, 7:14 am

    A really interesting read DG.

    The thing is, I am as bearish as anyone I know and yet I too find myself thinking that there is the slight possibility that everything will work out well in the end (which the sane side of my brain tells me is a virtual impossibility). We are headed for hell in a hand-basket.

    Then I read some more of the data and analysis and I think to myself “this cannot really be happening!”……but it did. And it is. The facts are undeniable, inevitable and conclusive.

    To hell in a hand-basket we go.

  • DanX July 16, 2010, 6:17 am

    Ah huh. No fraud? GS just ordered to paid $550 million in ABACUS fraud case. Tip of the iceberg here.

  • Benjamin July 16, 2010, 3:44 am

    “To state that PEs are healthy is silly. That is what Bernanke said over and over about housing 2005-7. YouTube-it and imagine him in a dunce cap.”

    While I basically agree with DGs article, I don’t think Bernanke is a fraction of the stupid that many think him to be. If anything, he pictures everyone else in a dunce cap. And why not? The majority still believe the soothe-saying BS he spews. He says what he says and does what he does because he knows he can get away with it.

    Then there’s the matter of (everything gets dark and stormy) doom. But why doom? What would be so bad about an end to all this fraud, this voodoo economics? There ain’t gonna be no doom, folks, unless most people refuse to remove their dunce caps and replace this rotten system with something real and solid.

  • F. Beard July 16, 2010, 2:33 am

    Not such an easy thing to do when the villains you mention are backed by a brainwashed military readying themselves for (the potential) of martial law against (the potential) of “lawless” citizens. S. David

    Well, a sufficient distribution of new legal tender fiat (United States Notes) to every US adult would fix the banks in nominal terms too. That would have to be combined with leverage restrictions on the banks to preclude hyper-inflation. As for the military, they need to be clued in to what has been going on.

    • TM July 16, 2010, 4:08 am

      That’s the equivalent of saying everyone wins the lottery tomorrow. If that were the case, then the price of everything would skyrocket (except for lottery tickets) and all that “free money” would be virtually worthless.

    • Benjamin July 16, 2010, 7:07 am

      “Well, a sufficient distribution of new legal tender fiat (United States Notes) to every US adult would fix the banks in nominal terms too.”

      Other problems aside, would people in fact use the money to pay off all their debt? Or would some find it in their dumb old brains to go out and spend it on something else? Heck, given the learning curve of “some” of our politicians, I’m sure there would be a big ol’ “go out and spend!” message so that the economy (hahaha!) can be saved.

      It would have to be given directly to the creditor institutions, in the name of the debtors. But that creates the problem of sustaining price inflation at a time when creditors are simply ***not going to lend out all that money again***. Why the heck should they when they’re the ones that would lose in that deal?

      In fact, that’s already happened. Banks aren’t lending, despite being bailed out. Putting it in other hands wouldn’t produce a different outcome. Even if all debtors paid their bills, what we’d wind up with is we’d have relatively pricey houses because the debt paid means that’s the price. But not so much money circulating. You’d have 10,20,30K cars, but not so much money to buy them. Food prices are still elevated (producers have debts, too). And so on. When the debt is paid, that’s the price.

      Which is where we are. And before you or anyone says anything… Shhhhh! We would NOT ever bootstrap our way out of that. Fact is, prices are going to have come down as debt is simply written off as a loss. The invisible hand must be allowed to do what must be done, which is to simply let correction take place. Default will have to set in because that’s the only way to make debt = money supply, such that lenders would have less/no fear of devaluation. That way, all they face is loss of money, not purchasing power.

      Of course, not even that would really fix anything accept in the short to mid term, for all the effort and energy wasted in getting that to happen.

  • F. Beard July 16, 2010, 2:08 am

    We never cease to be dumbfounded by the fact that there are intelligent people out there who think the economy will somehow extricate itself from the morass without our suffering a period of misery equal in severity to the Great Depression. RA

    That’s simple. We went from prosperity to depression virtually overnight with no physical damage to the economic base. Why? Because the population was driven into unserviceable debt by the government backed fractional reserve banking cartel.

    So, since we went from prosperity to depression in a short time simply because of accounting entries then a reversal might easily be accomplished via accounting entries too.

    It makes perfect sense morally speaking. If anyone should be forced to don a hair-shirt, it should be the villains, the government backed counterfeiting cartel, not the victims, borrowers and savers.

    • S David July 16, 2010, 2:18 am

      Not such an easy thing to do when the villains you mention are backed by a brainwashed military readying themselves for (the potential) of martial law against (the potential) of “lawless” citizens.