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Hillary ‘Okay’ with Muslim Brotherhood

by Rick Ackerman on February 7, 2011 2:41 am GMT · 32 comments

It seems we were premature when we wrote here a week ago that the Mother of All Bear Rallies had perhaps breathed its last.  Just that, with stocks and gold diverging sharply at the time, it seemed for one brief moment that something like fear, or a vestigial remnant of it, had re-emerged on Wall Street. How silly of us to think anything less than the sight of a mushroom cloud billowing over Saudi Arabia’s oilfields would rattle NYSE speculators.  And yet, here was the caliphate, ablaze with protests, the prospect of radical political change in the air. A week later, that prospect remains not only possible but likely.  Alas, how were we to know that, within the week, America’s stance toward Egypt would be, “Like, hey, we’re cool with whatever you guys want to do.”   And thus, there was this remarkable headline in the Jerusalem Post yesterday:  “[Hillary]  Clinton Tentatively Welcomes Muslim Brotherhood Involvement”.  Although we can understand

Hamas, founded in 1987 by the Muslin Brotherhood, is committed to "liberating Palestine" from the Jews

why Mrs. Clinton would want to try and put a big, smiley face on the mounting geopolitical disaster that is Egypt, we would have preferred she’d said nothing at all. Instead, she continued in the Obama-esque tradition of speaking softly while carrying no stick at all: “We’re going to wait and see how this develops, but we’ve been very clear about what we expect,” the Secretary of State said while attending the Munich Security Conference.

In Their Own Words

You have to seriously wonder what “we” actually do “expect”. After all, the very name “Muslim Brotherhood” does not exactly conjure up images of benign leadership, religious tolerance, a free press and neighborliness.  Not that Wall Street could care about such things, nor about the implications they may hold for the uneasy truce between Arabs and Israel that arguably has been postponing Armageddon. In any event, even if Mrs. Clinton is cool with the Muslim Brotherhood, we should remind readers that they are not exactly cool with us.  Consider their motto:  “Allah is our objective. The Prophet is our leader. The Qur’an is our law. Jihad is our way. Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope. Allahu akbar!”  Or their goal, which is to turn the world into an Islamist empire: “It is in the nature of Islam to dominate, not to be dominated, to impose its law on all nations and to extend its power to the entire planet.” And their deepest wish for America:  “The Brotherhood wants America to fall. It tells followers to be ‘patient’ because America ‘is heading towards its demise.’ The U.S. is an infidel that ‘does not champion moral and human values and cannot lead humanity.’ ”

We should keep these Islamist sentiments in mind in the weeks ahead as America comes to grips with deeply troubling changes in the Middle East that we can barely influence, let alone control. When an army takeover of Egypt is the best hope we’ve got for the region to continue muddling along, the outlook is grave indeed.

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{ 32 comments }

don February 7, 2011 at 3:37 am

PM David Cameron sizes it up much better than our current foreign policy advisory. http://uk.ibtimes.com/articles/109233/20110205/uk-muslims.htm

John Jay February 7, 2011 at 4:33 am

SNAFU perfectly describes United States foreign policy.
Caught off guard once again, despite an 80 billion dollar a year “Intelligence” budget, Foggy Bottom’s leader, Hillary R Clinton, with about 50,000 various and sundry employees in the State Department can’t see the forest for the trees.
God only knows what the CIA and the other covert agencies are up to.
Just look at our history in Iran, Vietnam, Chile, Central America, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan.
And the silky diplomatic skills of LBJ, Nixon, Kissinger, etc.
To see the future, look to the past.
We always make a bad situation worse.
Mercifully, we should be running out of money soon,
before the entire world refuses to have anything to do with us.
As far as Egypt goes, I am sure our clumsy State Department/CIA/Delta Force, will be working at cross purposes, and be caught doing something criminal and dumb.
Write your Congressman and Senators, by all means!

P February 7, 2011 at 7:03 am

I am in the Land and with comments like these, the distrust and disdain of America deepens daily.
Many here are expecting the next great Exodus of Jews to come from America.
With leaders like this, no surprise.
Shalom and pray for the peace of Jerusalem.

Chris February 7, 2011 at 7:23 am

WTF. There are some sick philosophies in the world. I doubt that this view of the Muslim faith is held by most. Still, I suspect that the US has bought some of this upon themselves…a history of busily meddling in international affairs and in sustained warfare. Hypocrites on both sides of the fence?

Trouble is now that these extremist groups are becoming more mainstream and gaining real political as well as fire power. And in this geo-political environment, the US can hardly stomp on the mosquito as easily as it used to.

Benjamin February 7, 2011 at 10:39 am

While I see greater likelihood that Egyptians will sooner or later ally with the jihadist types, I don’t think that that support would be as loyal as both sides would like to think it would be. Take France’s ban on the burqa. Both sides drummed up the usual fear/victim memes, but not many muslim women in Europe even wore one to begin with. ie It was just Them, on both sides, doing what They always have done, which is wrap their personal agendas in the guise of 100% public outcry/support to, ultimately, reveal their own personal insecurities.

Speaking of which, the Western dictatorships, here and aborad, can’t afford a rapid liberation and consequent rise of all Islamic nations into “free” democratic governance at this time (nor any other). So Hillary’s stamp of approval is basically saying “access denied”. To not take that position would be to allow other nations’ more competitive edge in their debt vs ours (for a while, anyway, as they will only emulate the West to the same end if they go that route). And so Egypt, in all likelihood not being given the authorization, just might support the MB in order to at least not have to put up with more of the same. Fundamentalism will fight against the entrenched secular dictators that are still plentiful in those parts of the world, so they’ll have other things to do besides give us much in the way of serious problems. So oil prices rise a little more. Big deal. Only we’ll pay the price, not the elite class. Same crap, different year. Meanwhile…

The Tea Party has said they consider the military budget less than sacred. And the lefties, ever since getting Bush out of office, haven’t been at all supportive of the idea of cutting the military budget. Which isn’t surprising, as doing so would be more detrimental to their victory than all these judges declaring the health care law unconstitutional. If we can’t keep our military growing and delpoyed, other nations’ debt would be able to compete well enough against ours. Stabilized chaos must be maintained, at all costs. The current administration will tarnish further for this self-serving mishandling of things, but re-election was highly unlikely anyway. Besides, nothing that has happened thus far can’t be buffed down to keep _the party_ nice and shiny, while at the same time used to blame republicans and/or Tea Party for all of it (no matter how ludicrous any such assertions may be).

So, yeah, someone like Clinton WOULD be cool with just about anything (short of a real Liberty movement).

BDTR February 7, 2011 at 5:11 pm

“And the lefties, ever since getting Bush out of office…”,
If I recall correctly, Bush ran out of office after the wonderfully successful two term limit in which our ostensibly freedom based government descended into its current state of foreign affairs and economic paradise.

The so-called “liberty” movement is as authentic as all of its predecessors where one man’s freedom is another man’s waterboard, and one woman’s body is under another woman’s moral authority. All strangely consistent with the fearfully authoritarian and “spiritually” driven Islamist.

Hillary’s just as confused about moral high ground now as she was as a legal intern. Ambition rules, mindlessly or not, period. Meet the new boss, etc.

“What experience and history teach is this – that people and governments never have learned anything from history, or acted on principles deduced from it.”
G. W. F. Hegel

Benjamin February 7, 2011 at 11:49 pm

BTDR,

Yes, I should have said that (about Bush) differently, but I think I got the point across that the democrats have done nothing about military adventurism, and illustrated one way why they still utterly depend on it.

jeff kahn February 7, 2011 at 1:55 pm

I expect that God will dump a billion dollars on my doorstep. Doesn’t mean it will or should happen.

The Muslim Brotherhood will take over in Egypt. Anyone who doesn’t see that coming should put all their money in real estate now that we’re at the bottom

rockingham February 7, 2011 at 2:33 pm

Hillary is as bad as Obama. Obama actively sabotages US interests in Egypt and elsewhere. Hillary is just plain dumb and going with the trend. The good news is Mubarek gave O the middle finger and will be serving out the rest of his term. Iranian stooge ElBaredei’s power grab has been denied. He lives in Switzerland. Has not lived in Egypt for decades.

With some luck Egypt will get an orderly transition with the military in charge and the Muslim Brotherhood sidelined. They want to destroy Israel. That is what Muslim democracy gets you. Same as they voted in Hamas in Gaza

don February 7, 2011 at 2:41 pm

Jeff looks like you are on target; this goes way beyond “Houston we have a problem”
with our R&D in WMD..
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41452744/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa/

mikeck February 7, 2011 at 3:16 pm

Here we go again…it’s those evil WMD I tell ya. There must be a burning desire to get out of Afghanistan before it becomes obvious to the world that there has been yet another failure to take control of that country by foreign invasion. Just declare victory and move on to Egypt to look for those WMD…something our military is really experienced at doing.

don n February 7, 2011 at 3:20 pm

They’re all crazy. What makes you think it’s any of our business what happens in Egypt, Israel, et al. George Washington warned us about getting involed with foreign entanglements. Lets just say they won or we won and bring our troops home.

Phil C February 7, 2011 at 3:25 pm

We only get a good perspective on this after reading such book as “Confessions of an economic hitmen” by John Perkins.
Egyptians are poorer than they should because of IMF loans, because of this dictator puppet in place following (in exchange for many $) orders coming from the US.
There would be near zero chances for hard line radical groups to emerge if the Egyptians would not have been stolen their freedom and wealth in the first place – but instead experienced thriving economic development and growth.

Anthony F February 7, 2011 at 5:05 pm

Good point on John Perkins “Confessions…”
Amy Goodman had a terrific coverage on this story.
I know her personally and have great respect for her journalistic abilities and integrity

Democracy Now may be one of the best internet sites to follow up and understand developments from insiders…
http://www.democracynow.org/

I just noticed Noam Chomsky has some new comments.. next on my reading list.
It is coming….
A few months ago when SLV was trading between 17-19 I told ALL the people I know invest to load

up the truck… still a good idea.

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Chomsky? Can’t let his name pass without noting that no intellectual, even in France, Britain or Spain, despises America more deeply than he. RA

War Pig February 8, 2011 at 7:46 am

Further to Rick’s comment below:

Geez, Rick, have you seriously read any of Chomsky’s stuff? He doesn’t despise America (he lives there) but tells it like it is. I would have thought you would appreciate that. I have yet to see anyone successfully show he is wrong except for “ad hominem” attacks.

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Quite a bit of what Chomsky has said about Jews is indistinguishable from what a literate neo-Nazi trying to incite a pogrom would say about Jews. Here’s a link to an interesting essay, “Partners in Hate: Chomsky and the Holocaust Deniers,” that musters plenty of evidence:

http://www.wernercohn.com/Chomsky.html

War Pig February 9, 2011 at 6:27 am

Further to Rick’s response to my previous post:

Here are 2 links for you to peruse, the first one from the man himself responding to Mr. Cohn and the second dealing with Chomsky’s alleged hate of America.

http://www.chomsky.info/letters/19890601.htm

antiwar.com/gancarski/ ?articleid=1321

DonF February 7, 2011 at 4:48 pm

Pity the poor soul who becomes Egypt’s “leader”. He will inherit a country that has used up it’s “oil equity”. Egypt is an impoverished country with a massive population and decreasing exports. It’s no wonder the obamanation doesn’t want to support Mubarak any more. The country’s oil wells are nearly dry as far as exports are concerned. Egypt is now becoming an oil importer. Egypt is PO’d. It has attained Peak Oil. Oil production is declining while oil consumption is increasing.
Read Mish: http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2011/02/egyptians-banks-open-customers-line-up.html

Scroll down to: Egypt to Become Oil Importer
Check chart: Egypt: Oil 2009 oil exports decreased by 26%

It seems a percentage of the world population is intent on reverting to the “mean”. Pun intended. After all, the violence and terrorist activities have largely been from the top down until recently. The bottom has a LONG way to go to catch up.

Oh, and while I’m here, I’ll remind you that Mohammad Mosaddegh was the democratically elected Prime Minister of Iran from 1951 to 1953 when he was overthrown in a coup d’état backed by the United States Central Intelligence Agency. (from wikipedia)

So I’m angry now! If any of you are saying OUR fundamentalists can’t compete with the Muslim Brotherhood, maybe it’s time for another Crusade! (sarc)
Forget it! If they’re out of oil, they’re not worth it!
(hillary laughs ha ha)

Steve February 7, 2011 at 6:02 pm

Interesting discussion today. If I remember right; Col. Crockett of Kentucky said something like this, ‘There is nothing more dangerous than a moral honest man, who doesn’t follow the Constitution.’ In that bright light of reality I change some names in Rick’s story today. I insert UNITED STATES corporation, and democracy. Where is the moral stance of Men and Women when one examines the corporate push to create world domination democracy by abusive police and military powers? Top that with black operations that use extra-judicial murder to push their agenda to world domination democracy. Mix in U.S. corporate intergration interference in foreign lands for some spice. Add some corporate missionaries to teach everyone to ‘tollerate’ change.

It seems the Egyption push for democracy is more of a U.S. corporate dream, than a push for Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness required of the Original Intent of the Framers.

Say we all hope and pray that the definition of DEMOCRACY published by an moral government in 1928 as “. . .Attitude toward property is communistic-negating property rights.” “Attitude toward Law is that the will of the majority shall regulate, whether it be based upon deliberation or governed by passion, prejudice and impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences.” “Results in demagogism, license, agitation, discontent, anarchy” is all that is at work.

Let me make a summary of the work of the U.S.;

COMMUNISTIC-NEGATING PROPERTY RIGHTS
PASSION, PREJUDICE, IMPULSE, WITHOUT RESTRAINT, OR REGARD TO CONSEQUENCES.
DEMAGOGISM
LICENSE
AGITATION
DISCONTENT
ANARCHY
TM2000-25: 118-120
DEMOCRACY:
The War Department, November 30, 1928.
united States of America
THE SOLDIERS TRAINING MANUAL

Robert February 7, 2011 at 8:37 pm

Steve-

That was awesome.

When reading Rick’s post, I zeroed in on this:

“The U.S. is an infidel that ‘does not champion moral and human values and cannot lead humanity.”

Now, I’m no fanatic of authoritarianism in any flavor, but when I read that one passage above I can not disagree.

As Steve so elequently lays out- the US Corporate Democratic model does not serve the wishes of God, Allah, or whomever you want to call the single Universal spirit that binds our souls to existence any better than radical Islam does…

In other words- our Corporatist military industrial Caliphate is no better then their whacko religious one… If it was, then Wall Street and Washington would not be the whore houses that they are.

If your fear is of the religious zealotry that these radical nutjobs espouse, then you need to read some more of the history behind how and why this nation was founded, and you should start this study with the voyage of the HMS Mayflower…

My freedom is mine. You have only the power to TRY and take it from me, but in so doing, you had best be prepared to meet your “Allah” sooner rather than later.

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I wouldn’t have expected issues of moral relativism to dominate the discussion, nor to find the views of hateful radicals like Chomsky affirmed. Even so, outside of Islam, I can’t imagine that even those most critical of Amerika, including Chomsky, would choose life under sharia as the lesser of two evils. RA

Steve February 8, 2011 at 12:31 am

Extremism, in its personal form, should not be acceptable for anyone. Neither personal, nor governmental anarchy ends well. Yet, to say one is “a” radical, instead of radical, because one believes the Word is G-d, and G-d is the Word is a greater error. The Hebrew, Arab, and Christian all worship the G-d of Abraham, and the Mosaic Law under the Covenant of Abraham. Things blur as Isaac comes into play with the Blessing of Abraham upon Ishmael who was to become a great Nation. Following came the supplantation via Jacob, and the blessing from Isaac to become a great Nation in Esau.

From what I understand, the Ordinances of Men become the problem (the Law is not the problem) when these earlthy rules take away from the Mosaic Law which is the Law for Man. It is easy to place the decline of the united States upon the practices of men who refuse to obey the Law, and contract Constitution.

Our concern appears to be best spent upon looking at the Mosaic Law and asking ourselves whether or not Our Nation, and We ourselves are obeying the Mosaic Law. In turn we must be vigilent to make sure that men do not create ordinances of abuse and radicalism for their own glory and greed. As long as persons deny the existence of the Law, and seek glory in their own minds and ordinances there will be conflict.

Larry D February 8, 2011 at 12:44 am

Psst – Robert…

It wasn’t the HMS Mayflower. The ship was a private vessel, not a Royal Navy one.

And religious zealots in this country were behind the abolitionist movement of the 1850s and great Civil Rights movement of the 1950s and 1960s.

Loulou February 7, 2011 at 7:10 pm

I am very disappointed to see this kind of demonizing comments in an otherwise cool and realistic column 95% of the time.
Who is the aggressor here, the people from Egypt or the zionnists expansionist which are stealing the Land of Palestine and made a deal with some of the corrupt leader from Egypt and Palestine?
I visited Iran a year ago as they where being threaten of bombardment, yet I was welcome every where I went, consider I am closer to be an atheist than a church pillar by any measure. Their is no reason whatsoever for the US to send troops to Egypt any one can leave as they please so this is just to inflame the situation. Back to 1956

T'inker February 7, 2011 at 8:09 pm

Yeah, that Chomsky always with that analysis which really is despicable because it is so well argued and in such unfortunate accord to reality.
I suppose its a case of “if you can’t say something nice about a country…”

jazzmaniac February 7, 2011 at 8:19 pm

Chomsky? Can’t less his name pass without noting that no intellectual, even in France, Britain or Spain, despises America more deeply than he. RA

Rick,

I thought you were better than this. Only the most doctrinaire of dolts (those that hold Bush above Obama, for instance) would assert that a criticism of our meddling, intrusive, hypocritical, imperialistic, and always non-partisan government interference in the affairs of all the rest of the world is a judgment against “America” itself. If you want the real history of US complicity you read Chomsky or Chalmers Johnson or Justin Raimondo or some other sort who isn’t in thrall to the the moral expediencies of “realpolitik.” If I believed our government was “America” I’d hate America too.

BDTR February 7, 2011 at 9:24 pm

Especially Chalmers Johnson. Blowback, Sorrows of Empire and Nemesis are a head clearing trilogy.

Alan F February 7, 2011 at 10:14 pm

Walking through the Arab market of Acco on Friday with my friend, we stopped for a cup of coffee at a small shop. Standing drinking our Arab-style coffee, my friend asked the shop owner, a 50ish Arab man, what he thought of the situation in Egypt. The conversation was in Hebrew, which I am not 100% fluent in.
When we walked away my friend asked me whether I understood the conversation. I said I don’t think so.
He said the man said the people are oppressed in Egypt, unlike here. There, he said, you can disappear in the night never to be seen again, whereas here in Israel everyone including Arabs has access to rule of law.

I had understood the entire conversation, but couldn’t imagine he was saying that.

When 1,000,000 people demonstrate in Egypt it means that 83,000,000 people are not. America’s Secretary of State is a fool. And she serves a bigger fool as President.

Rich February 8, 2011 at 2:42 am

Democracy: Two foxes and a rabbit voting on what’s for dinner.
The trouble with democracy is it runs out of other people’s money.
This nation was founded and prospered as a Republic.
FAX>7…

Steve February 8, 2011 at 7:24 am

Ya Make Me Smile

Robert February 8, 2011 at 5:31 pm

I don’t know what everyone is so worried about…

Those guys in the Picture that Rick posted with this article look like descent, churchy types to me…. :)

Hemispheres… I’ve always said, let anyone who is western in their thinking move to the western hemisphere, and let the Arabs, Asians and Africans duke it out for supremecy in the eastern hemisphere…

Then, all we have to do is establish fair, commerce based relations with the final victor, and voila…

Everyone is so worried about the Islamists destroying America- Has anyone considered that China, Japan, and the rest of the orient represents a population of “infidels” that exceeds the US population by over 1000 % ?

That’s an awful lot of infidels- it seems highly improbable that sharia law will take over the Earth before the process of education and enlightenment marginalizes and erodes the premise of their crazy world domination theology.

Benjamin February 9, 2011 at 4:17 am

Out of curiosity, I checked this topic this evening to see if any more comments were added. I’ll say this much about Chumpsky… He’s got some points, but he’s got enough things wrong to be more like a man hit on the head one too many times, rather than a great thinker.

Anyway, Robert, just for the record, I don’t have Islamaphobia. But think of the possibilities. It won’t be just dying on the vine, as it’s far too useful (to other people not at all like you or me).

And even if it doesn’t resurge in the Middle East, than means some kind of shift in how the whole credit thing plays out. What will we here in the U.S. do in the aftermath of that shift? I don’t know, but juding by how things are in England anymore…

http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php/site/article/10164/

Now, I don’t boo-hoo-hoo because the darling children have to pay for their stupid educations, but sheeze Louise!

And you wanna know why that is? I blame Gandhi. The man shows the modern world that peaceful protest is (for some reason) always the way to victory because it’s (for some reason) always right… And so, a coddled little protest in England, because if the parents didn’t hold their kids’ hands and didn’t twist the arm of the police, well, then they would have to tell the brats that are clearly in the wrong to disperse at 8 AM, and crack skulls if they didn’t by 8:01 AM.

ie Since peaceful protest always has to be right, do whatever it takes to make it so!

Now, here in the U.S. we have the arms. Much of the world has only what rocks they find on the streets. But I bet if Egypt and the rest of the Middle East don’t go radical, and that more competition for credit ratings ensues, we won’t find our courage as easily as many people find rocks, know what I mean? And that’s because we allow the Gandhi example to mislead us. And because it has worked so well, it wouldn’t surprise me to learn if ol’ Mohandas wasn’t allowed to succeed in order to reshape how the masses view protest and revolution. Most importantly, that the U.S. lose perspective on how to assert Liberty and retain it once gained.

I’m not saying run out in the street this instant and go trigger-happy, but honestly, we really, really need to rethink this strategy. Because I don’t want to wake up one day and find out I live in England. And as it were, we’ve so much in common with them that we should call ourselves the U.S.A.E. … The United States of Almost England!

Vajamin February 8, 2011 at 9:57 pm

Create the problem.
Foment a reaction from the people begging for help.
Provide the solution.

Egypt has already been burglarized. Egypt will be begging for Mubarak to come back if the Muslim Brotherhood takes over, thereby really making it like Bangladesh. The Jesus militia banks will then be able to make huge profits from “restoring stability” with guns, ammo, tanks, planes, etc. Win-win for the USA. Those with half a brain know that should the Muslim Brotherhood actually take Egypt, things will become much worse, not much better in Egypt. CNN says Egypt is not the Iranian Revolution. Ha! How funny. It’s a choice between bad(Mubarak), bad(Suleiman), and much worse (MB) for the people of Egypt. An American in Egypt for a few months will be begging for K-mart and 7-Eleven as paradise in comparison, and I listen to my idiot American comrades support the Muslim Brotherhood revolution in Egypt. Things were bad before in Egypt, but now they are truly terrible!

Redou February 11, 2011 at 7:42 pm

The US stuck it’s dirty little fingers in Iran back in the 50’s, put the Shah in power, got the oil cheap. The Shah jailed priests, killed priests and cut off their stipends. He even set up his own seminaries to train his own priests. This really, really, really pissed off the priests and the faithful. Then the priests got involved in
politics.

This is why priests run the country today.

America made this mess. Now we have to live with it.

The students took Americans hostage at the embassy demanding the Shah be returned so they could put him on trial and get back the money he stole. America refused to return the
Shah. Most Americans don’t even know why
the students took the hostages. Americans think people in the Middle East are just crazy and do something for no reason. That’s what
American TV tells them.

Now we are in Afghanistan and Iraq, making more messes and creating more enemies.

The Swiss don’t invade anybody.
Nobody attacks them.
They have a higher standard of living than Americans.

Japan doesn’t invade anybody. Nobody attacks
them.

Bottom line. Leave Egypt alone. Bring the troops home like Obama promised. Act like
Switzerland. Nobody invaded Switzerland even
in WWII.

Vietnam was a lesson in the limits of military
intervention. Are Americans too stupid to learn this lesson? Or is it just simply that a small number of well connected people can
start wars for profit – even against the wishes
of the majority.

On election day remember that Obama lied
and promised to bring the troops home.

Those who live by the sword die by the sword.
And go broke too, just like England.

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