The Baby Boomers’ Retirement Nightmare

For Baby Boomers, one of the most wrenching aspects of The Great Recession has been watching their retirement dreams slip away. Instead of inheriting the wealth their parents took more than 60 years to accumulate, Boomers can only watch in dismay as this once-vast sum is depleted by a combination of rising expenses, paltry yields and longer lives. Who would have imagined even a decade ago that $1 million banked for retirement would generate barely enough income for a modest lifestyle, never mind cruises to Tahiti, Broadway shows and golf vacations in Scotland?

While their parents worry about running out of money if they live into their eighties and nineties, Baby Boomers are getting squeezed from the other end as their children graduate college with poor job prospects, worthless degrees and hefty college debts. And yet, there is no getting around the fact that these kids, as well as tens of millions of workers now in their thirties and forties who will never know financial security, will have to pay for the Baby Boomers’ Social Security and Medicare. Obviously, something has to give. But what?  That is the Question of the Week.

  • Katherine Steel August 20, 2013, 10:34 pm

    There is an even more tragic side to inheritances being lost to rising prices and bad investments–billions of dollars will be lost to stealing siblings and unscrupulous trust attorneys. My case was so bad I wrote a book about it entitled “Trust Me: Every Baby Boomer’s Nightmare!”
    I assembled as many nightmare stories as I could as a warning to Boomers with aging and or dying parents to watch out for these vultures.

  • wesmouch August 15, 2013, 11:13 pm

    Rick
    Most of these problems are self inflicted. Americans overconsume and save little. If you live way beneath your means (save 50% of income) then you are likely doing well. We are. PLus healthcare is cheap and affordable if you go overseas. Obamacare will give us a chance to game the sytem. Manipulate income to get government subsidies. Many societies have gone through this and some (the savy) come out okay. I read the BuenosAiresHerald (English languagfe) everyday for tips on coping in the new America. Argentina is the petri dish of bad governments. Yet despite all that has happened there, some thrive.

  • mava August 11, 2013, 6:02 pm

    Completely agree with your analysis, Rick.

    And also agree that this is the right thing to happen. There are preciously few things more enjoyable than seeing justice applied to communists, when they are denied the opportunity to steal.

    Thank you.

  • sheriff August 10, 2013, 8:23 pm

    Troll, I like that , “point and click”. Nice!!

  • Rich August 8, 2013, 4:53 pm

    Closed long DIA puts +10% profits and bot open QQQ calls

  • Rich August 7, 2013, 5:08 pm

    Just closed SPY puts with +80% profits today.
    Bot to open XOM calls
    Cheers all

    • Rich August 7, 2013, 10:20 pm

      Bot DIA puts on the close with this AH news:

      Al Arabiya English ✔ @AlArabiya_Eng

      #BreakingNews – Activists: #FSA downs Iranian cargo plane at #Damascus International Airport. #Syria

      &&&&&&

      You’re probably premature, Rich, since nothing so far has much more than slightly slowed the relentless flow of criminally mismanaged money into stocks. If you want to time the Big One, you may have to wait until a mushroom cloud comes a-billowing over New York City. The Catch 22 here is that even jihadist lunatics realize that Great Satan is about to implode anyway without their help.

      RA

    • Rich August 9, 2013, 4:11 pm

      Indeed premature Rick, since story turned out to be bs. Made a modest +10% on the DIA puts and moved into QQQ Calls.

      Your image of a mushroom cloud over NYC where I briefly lived haunted sleep last night.

      Pray it isn’t so, but US Diplomatic Drone Foreign Military policy in MENA is not making friends.

      Fed owns 31% of 10-yr Treasuries, so there may be another +69% before end game implodes.

  • bobby August 7, 2013, 2:06 pm

    “Something has to give, but what?” Great missive Rick, and the following readers comments give testimony to your truths, but still have seen no solutions. Are we doomed?

  • Cam Fitzgerald August 7, 2013, 12:53 pm

    For what is coming with pensions, medicare and the serious payout adjustments that will be necessary in the coming years, all I can say is “Thank God” those old guys and gals will be too old, fat, sclerotic, diabetic, hypertensive and arrhythmic to fight back against the reality that is coming down the road.

    There would be a national emergency otherwise as that gang of spoiled Boomers and their surviving parents revolted against the inevitable and voted the party in power into oblivion.

    Did they really think they would enjoy Oysters and Sashimi while relaxing on their gold-plated decks in their latter years while normal (working) tax-paying folk ate cat food and paid all their expenses?

    Boomers squandered the benefits that 60 years of an almost unbroken rise in economic output and growth in assets handed them on a silver platter. They took it, they used it, and then they threw it in the toilet.

    That pack of losers is still hell-bent on wasting the last remnants of their wealth, leaving nothing to their offspring in a spit of selfish self-centeredness that typifies their generation of “ME” first attitudes and then in a fit of frustration they expect the rest of society (their .5 children per couple) to pick up the tab without complaint.

    Yeah…..I should know because I am one of them.

    So lets all go green folks (sarc)…..let us all save the planet and the whales and those poor Harp Seals (sarc)……and lets all cycle to work and close the roads normal people need to get to work (sarc)…..and lets also close our neighborhoods to backyard chickens because we are too pretty and clean to have real agriculture(sarc)……..and lets have everything our own damn way and screw everyone else with ambition in the process because we are dominant and somehow think we know better than the rest of you punks.

    Seriously, that is the truth. Boomers think “theirs” does not stink and all the rest of you losers are just a bunch of punks who need to grow up or be taught how the real world works. They mostly think they are genius because they were there at the right time to profit freely from an economic expansion that was based on little more than the growth of credit and demographic trends (and not their good planning or talent).

    Pack of idiots………Let them eat catfood.

  • Rich August 7, 2013, 9:47 am

    Rich Cash ‏@richcash8 now

    S&P ES Minis trading at 1686.50 overnight suggest we are beginning to accelerate to the downside We will sell any rip all the way down

  • redwilldanaher August 6, 2013, 9:59 pm

    Wait, Rick, aren’t fraudulent “corporate earnings” the tonic for this ailment along with all others? A guy around here has me believing so. Say it IS so Rick…

    &&&&&&

    Plenty of corporate earnings for companies that have learned to run lean and mean and to take advantage of ultra-low borrowing costs that have effectively confiscated grandpa’s nest egg. Too bad, too, that so little of the corporate lucre has trickled down into the hands of workers. Economic recoveries sure ain’t what they used to be. RA

    • gary leibowitz August 7, 2013, 5:02 pm

      Rick, I agree that corporate earnings today has very little affect on worker compensation. While not condoning their actions it is understandable. They got burnt badly. It takes time for them to get back into the old habits of sharing the wealth. There was some inkling of this happening recently but no sustained effort. In truth the slow recovery of banks and reluctance from corporations to increase salaries was a major reason we have survived the debacle. A slow, very slow recovery prevents the cycle of over-heating. in this case all that is needed is a “normalization” to cause problems with yields being too high. I truly believe the next crash will result from an economy that forgot the debt implosion of 08.

      BTW the Gallup Job Creation Poll that just came out showed some very interesting things. Down slightly but a big hit on government jobs. looks like the sequester is working to continue the trend downward. More importantly the private sector is holding its own. Sequester, payroll tax increase, Obama care, one hundred basis point move up on mortgages. I would call that a victory, or a least a very resilient market since it hasn’t fallen by much.

      I know my words fall flat here, but perhaps I can challenge you to dissect my opinion in a constructive manner.

  • Cam Fitzgerald August 6, 2013, 5:15 pm

    “Go Short and Take the Odds………..
    Is the market topping here? We’re betting on it, although with relatively little at risk. Specifically, subscribers have bought some cheap, out-of-the money put spreads in DIA that have the potential to pay off at 45-to-1. The maximum gain, if the stock market falls apart this summer, would be $16,000”. ~~Rick
    ————-

    Sounds like that might have been a good call judging by the look of the charts. Just out of curiosity, how far would the Dow have to fall to make the trade pay off 45-to-1, Rick? I am assuming the net cost was 355 dollars. Is that about right?

    &&&&&

    DIA would need to fall below 135 by September 20, Cam. That’s equivalent to a 2000-point drop in the Dow — a longshot bet, as I’ve noted. In practice, however, we could easily triple or quadruple our money or better if the Dow were to drop just 400-500 points over the next 2-3 weeks. RA

    • Cam Fitzgerald August 7, 2013, 1:57 pm

      Many thanks Rick. I will keep that in mind. Two thousand points is just a warmup for what is really coming……knowing when it has arrived is the hard part but I am keeping my chequebook ready.

  • BKL August 6, 2013, 9:42 am

    Baby boomers can expect little sympathy from adjacent generations, especially their children. I hope that things have worked out reasonably well for your parents. I can’t imagine having to worry about supporting my parents in the style to which they have become accustomed.

    Since a fair number of you live outside the US, I suggest that you budget as much time as possible to your bambinos. Read English to them. Then work up to having them read English to you. Listen carefully and occasionally interrupt, to quickly correct them. Treat it like a communication activity.

    Having a bilingual child will shave about a million dollars off your retirement budget.

    • Troll August 7, 2013, 1:30 am

      I don’t quite understand your rationale with respect to having a bilingual child, BKL. If you have the time, could you kindly explain? Thanks!

    • BKL August 7, 2013, 3:44 am

      English skill is important in having a good career. They can be working at a high level, instead of asking you for financial support.

  • gary leibowitz August 6, 2013, 3:47 am

    Forget the baby boomers, how about right here and now. we are already paying more out than taking in. the life expectancy today is high and the old folks are reaping huge gains on their social security investment. I believe they receive somewhere in the neighborhood of 3 times their contribution.

    The baby boomers will live longer BUT also healthier. That will offset some major costs on medical treatment.

    Regarding the raging debate on deflation please look at the SURGE in the July ISM report. For now at least there will be no deflation. Watch the bond yield keep creeping up.

    “New orders, the key component in the report, rose nearly 7 points to 57.7 for its best reading since December. Business activity really took off, up more than 7-1/2 points to 60.4, also the best reading since December.”

    The inflation component:
    “Another reading of interest is prices paid which jumped more than 7-1/2 points to 60.1, in contrast to a flat result for this index in last week’s ISM manufacturing report. A rise in prices is actually welcome given concern by many that inflation is too low.”

    So much for the demise of this economy. We could choke on good economic activity if we are not careful. That will be the best cause for a debt collapse, higher yields. My mantra for years.

  • Buster August 6, 2013, 1:48 am

    The trouble with letting crooks get away with it is that they just come back for more. Setting things up for themselves nicely for the next financial collapse, the Banksters have just persuaded the UK supreme court to change the rules so that now they have precedent in corporate bankruptcy, over & above pensioners.
    Along with Cyprus bail-ins, European wide asset registries & money laundering laws that make cash a forbidden asset, this new ruling fits in with an increasingly & openly rigged system in favour of the victors in the ongoing financial war being waged against the populations, in favour of the moneyed interests in control of government as an affront to democracy & liberty:
    http://moneyweek.com/right-side-did-the-supreme-court-just-write-down-your-pension/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Money%2BMorning

    • John Jay August 6, 2013, 3:48 pm

      Amen Buster!

      The rule of law has vanished and has been replaced by the New Feudalism Model.
      Without the Noblesse Oblige this time.
      I love how the MSM spews forth about “Congressional Hearings” on this or that crime or outrage!
      Where do they ever lead?
      Eric and Fast and Furious?
      Hillary and Benghazi?
      Lerner and IRS targeting?
      Anyone go to jail?
      Anyone indicted?
      Anyone get fired?
      Anyone get the slightest hint of punishment?
      How far we have fallen in one person’s lifetime!

    • mario cavolo August 8, 2013, 9:53 pm

      Hi JJ et al,

      you guys MUST read The Death of Corporate Reputation, by Jonathan Macey, professor of various at Yale, etc…..its a detailed read and well worth perusing …perfectly explains from a macro and micro perspective how today’s big institutions are getting away with egregious lack of ethics and it doesn’t matter at all to anyone anymore…sad and the downfall of modern society.

      On the basis of old values common sense, GS, JPM, Morgan Stanley and countless other institutions would have every single customer of theirs decide to do business elsewhere upon learning about their egregious violations. Yet, they simply don’t and aren’t; its a complete shift in the value system of the society and all such companies march onward bigger and more profitable than ever…truly we are not in a free capitalist society, back to having feudal economic overlords as in past history…really scary.

      Cheers, Mario

  • Troll August 6, 2013, 12:34 am

    Don’t blame me . . . I point and click.

    • Cam Fitzgerald August 7, 2013, 1:58 pm

      Funny guy! Are you old (like me?).

      • Troll August 8, 2013, 2:12 am

        Hey Cam . . .

        The point and click thing:

        Apparently you gathered it was in response to a previous post you’d made that went amiss 🙂

        Cheers!

  • Craig August 6, 2013, 12:13 am

    “Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure – one world, if you will. If that is the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.” – David Rockefeller, Memoirs, page 406.

    The real truth deniers (aka true theorists) will tell us he was misquoted….in his own AUTOBIOGRAPHY!!!!

  • Craig August 5, 2013, 11:39 pm

    I would say the plan is going along just as planned, keep the boomers employed well past retirement. Unemployment on males 17-35 will skyrocket which will turn to riots and then the excuse to use the 2 Billion bullets, 60,000 drones and 3,000 tanks will be delivered…wait for it…right on time, even thou they were ordered well before any crisis…just like the naked body scanners. I will leave to the “true conspiracy theorists” to explain how this is all a coincidence and due to the incompency of our dear leaders and not a program….even thou they (the bankers etc) have been bragging and writing about this for many decades. Bring down America and the rest of the world will fall…can you invade it? Nope destroy it from within by it’s own greedy leaders and stupid sheeple that will still be arguing that Muslims brought down the towers because the media said so well after the republic is gone, the wealth has been transferred and the money is worthless…they will blame those dirty goldbugs brought down the dollar and those greedy boomers brought down the social security “net”…when that was the plan when the bill was first passed.

  • Other Paul August 5, 2013, 11:31 pm

    Either inflation will erode Boomers’ fixed or under-correlated to inflation pensions or the pension trusts assets will be eroded by deflation.

    With almost no savings, most too old, too slow Boomers’ only economic chances are to stay in the workforce as long as possible.

    To preserve even the most basic old age benefits, it is critcal for the federal government to be able to borrow through the Fed or through a Treasury Direct program on steroids. Most politicians believe that the USGov’t has a no limit credit card. Until that belief is shattered by reality, there will only be a slow, but steady, deterioration in most Boomers’ lifestyles.

  • Keith Adams August 5, 2013, 10:31 pm

    Rick, I’m 62yo. I’ve been paying into SS for some 40 + years. I’ve just retired. If I had had a choice, I would have opted out of SS and do my own investing. The powers at be had a gun to my head and said ” No way AH ” Average $30,000/yr for 40 years @ just 5% is $950,000. Do you think I will ever see my $. SS is the largest Ponzi in the history of mankind. People are getting our $ who never put one penny in. Don’t tell me that getting SS for someone who has put into it for 40 + years is an entitlement. Lets stop giving it to people who do not deserve it. The banisters have ripped us off !

    • gary leibowitz August 8, 2013, 4:19 am

      Soc. Sec. was never intended to act like an IRA.
      One of those “safety net” programs that started out being disliked even more than Obama care. Can you imagine where we would be without it?

    • Craig August 8, 2013, 6:16 pm

      Gary,

      With soc seccurity you know where we would be? Exactly where we should be, we would have a population that was independent, well informed and not just waiting for a Cot on the reservation!!!! Where the US used to be! Where family took care of each other and people provided for their own retirement!! We would be in a much better place because the sheep would let the wolves get away with ALOT less BS! Bread and circuses only help some people…the clowns and the ruling class…

    • Craig August 8, 2013, 6:18 pm

      *without soc security Stupid autocheck…

    • Craig August 8, 2013, 6:24 pm

      I also left out….the clowns are always justifying more circuses…..

  • John Jay August 5, 2013, 7:36 pm

    Here is a great comment from an article about raising the age when you can first collect SS benefits from 62 to 64 at bankrate.com

    Link:http://tinyurl.com/m2ue55q

    “silvereagle
    August 01, 2013 at 6:22 am

    Why not let the govment refund soc.security the money that it stole to fight the Vietnam war with.All I hear is that s.s. will be broke in such and such.Sounds like more “f” ing lip service and nothing gets done about it.”

    Amen!
    The Vietnam war was part of the first stage of looting, when a lot of almost bk MIC players got a huge payday thanks to LBJ.
    Now, the cupboard is bare, and LBJ et al are long past punishing.
    Checkmate!

  • bc August 5, 2013, 5:05 pm

    What will give is the middle class. First by infirmity combined with inadequate insurance a wide swath of us will be rendered wards of the state as the price of help from the state. Second, those who are left standing will be rendered asset poor first by by taxation, then by market collapse and deflation, then by inflation due to money base expansion. Look to Japan for how it is done.
    Something or someone has to give alright. For the answer to the question of who just look in the mirror.

  • VegasBob August 5, 2013, 8:04 am

    I’m reminded of Herb Stein’s famous quote:

    If something cannot go on forever, it will stop.

    Gen X and the Millennials have three choices:
    1. Pay
    2. Inflate
    3. Repudiate

    I think the younger generations will easily see that, for them, paying off the political promises to the Boomers is economically stupid. So option number one will be taken off the table, simply because the promises made to the Boomers (which total $100-200 TRILLION $$$) are just too great.

    So the remaining options are to inflate or repudiate. Repudiating promises to the Boomers as well as repudiating debt run up by the Boomers would be the smart choice, but it would also cause the greatest social upheaval since the civil rights battles of the 50s and 60s. The US economic system runs on credit, and mass repudiation of debt would probably bring about an immediate shutdown of the credit markets.

    The final choice is Door #2 – inflate, which the government has been doing for the past 30 years, and lying about the true rate of inflation every step of the way. Except for electronics, the price of virtually every good and service is now 3 to 10 times what it was in 1983, yet the CPI for the last 30 years registers a mere 2.34 from 1983 to 2013!

    It is easy for everyone except economists and those who work for the Bureau of Labor Statistics to see that the official inflation statistics generated by the government are nothing more than a blatant fraud.

    Since most Boomers are basically broke, they are doomed to work until they can’t. When they just can’t work anymore and have to take Social Security, they will go from steak to ground beef to chicken to dog food to cat food as the value of their monthly Social Security checks is relentlessly destroyed by fraudulent inflation statistics.

    A similar scenario will play out with Medicare and Medicaid. First, payments and reimbursement rates will be frozen or cut. When that no longer controls the costs of the programs, selected medical procedures and equipment will no longer by covered (Fellow Boomers, I hope you aren’t expecting Medicare to pay for your Hoveround scooter or that portable oxygen tank, or are hoping to get a Medicaid bed in a nursing home – it ain’t gonna happen!). At the end, if Medicare/Medicaid pays for anything at all, it will only pay for basic wellness exams and $4 prescriptions.

    I’m 61, and I’m not looking forward to what’s coming, because it isn’t going to be pretty. Those with good genes or plenty of money will enjoy good health or have the ability to pay for medical treatment. Those with bad genes and no money will be allowed to get sick, stay sick and finally die.

    • John Jay August 5, 2013, 3:40 pm

      VegasBob,

      Yep, this country has been “Suicided”.
      California and the South West are in the final stages of being merged with Mexico and Central America.
      You can see the Players behind it when 600 of the largest Republican donors showed up in DC to lobby for the Comprehensive Immigration reform bill.
      Insanity.
      The last thing the hapless American worker needs is more competition for low paying part time work.
      But that’s what the Players want.
      And they’ll get it.
      If not this time, then the next time.
      Eventually.

      But the evidence that you can run a successful business without hiring illegal aliens, even in the Fast Food industry is right here in Southern California.
      It’s called “In N Out Burger”.
      Well run, privately held, they are very popular out here.
      With very low prices, and great quality food.
      And all the busy, very friendly workers are young American kids.
      Just like McDonald’s was back when they started out
      and you had to be a cheerleader or star athlete to work there.
      So much for the “Jobs that Americans won’t take” theory of Open Borders.

      Anyway, the DC Gang will just continue to inflate away and deny there is any resulting inflation in prices.
      The Oligarchs don’t think about the end game.
      They are already retreating to private islands.
      There will eventually be some small scale riots here, but nothing the Police State can’t handle.
      Some US cities will end up like Detroit, looking like Dresden in 1945, with a population of illiterate drug dealers.
      Other cities will look like Los Angeles, sprawling ghettos with isolated gated communities of affluence.
      I just fail to see any hope of a turn around here.
      Keep your head down, stay out of trouble with The Man, and make some money.
      It’s everyman for himself.
      And, once again, there are not enough lifeboats for all the passengers!

    • Carol August 5, 2013, 4:04 pm

      Vegas Bob, as a fellow boomer myself (tail end of boomers) I agree with most of what you have said.

      I do however take issue with your talk of “genes” or luck when dealing with ones’ own health. I am 55 and have NOT been to a doctor in 20+ years, I am on NO “drugs = medication” and will never be. I refuse ALL allopathic “help”. I take total responsibility for my own health. One is not blessed or cursed with good or bad genes as everyone has to take their health into their own hands and study NUTRITION. We as a society are NOT suffering from a deficiency of “drugs” BUT we as a society are definitely suffering from a deficiency of many nutrients especially minerals like magnesium and iodine, for instance.

      The “gene” theory is much like the “germ” theory that Pasture himself refuted late in his life. As you may or may not know Pasture is the “father” of the germ theory which says that germs cause disease. He later came to his senses and stated he earlier “theory” was wrong and that it is NOT the germs that cause disease but the “terrain” IE the body in which many many germs invade and will cause disease or NOT depending on the health (nutritional) status of the body so invaded.

      The “genes” theory is a favorite of allopathic medicine because if one is “cursed” with bad genes they can do NOTHING to help themselves leaving them totally in the “service” of the drug (pharmaceutical) industry.

    • Jason S August 5, 2013, 5:38 pm

      VegasBob, there is a fourth option to deal with the Boomer expense; run, runner.

    • VegasBob August 6, 2013, 1:19 am

      Carol,

      I’m with you as to the doctors – I don’t bother with them, and my kid brother does his best to avoid them as well. But there are hereditary ailments on one side of my family that are wholly due to genetic inheritance. My brother carries the major genetic defect (a ‘bad’ gene, if you will); I do not.

      Even though my brother does all the “right” things to maintain a healthy lifestyle and I do none of them other than eating a balanced diet, I will probably outlive him by a decade or so.

      Neither I nor my brother got to choose our genes. It is what it is…

    • Rich August 7, 2013, 9:42 am

      Right on Carol
      A good place to start is Eat to Live by Dr Fuhrman
      Organic green salads and veggies have more nutrition per calorie than anything else
      eg Broccoli has more protein per calorie than steak
      Lost 25 pounds so far with much more energy and endurance

    • Cam Fitzgerald August 7, 2013, 12:18 pm

      Sorry to argue with you Rich but Broccoli DOES NOT have more protein than meat for equal servings. That is pure mythology. The other thing is that you need to consider the amino acids you consume when eating the two different items. I am actually a big fan of broccoli but I can’t let your comment go by without offering an objection.

      Here is an article you will really HATE. I am putting up the link anyway because it gets to the point even if it is a bit (a lot) critical of Furman.

      Broccoli Has More Protein than Steak and Other Crap.
      http://eathropology.com/2013/04/08/broccoli-has-more-protein-than-steak-and-other-crap/

    • Rich August 7, 2013, 5:07 pm

      Cam, argue away.
      The statement was per equal calories, not equal servings.
      I’ll keep getting my complete protein nutrition from plants and the guy who challenges scientific credibility as “Crap” can keep eating meat, dispensing misinformation about incomplete proteins, arguing about measurement error, straining at gnats and swallowing camels to die young of any number of adverse medical conditions caused by excess fat, smoking and sugar shown as High Risk Factors in the Framingham study of 5209 healthy people for three generations, and repeated by the similar Busselton Health Study and China-Cornell-Oxford Project:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Framingham_Heart_Study

    • Rich August 7, 2013, 5:14 pm

      Read what an MD for the US Bobsled team with real live patients writes about vegetable protein:

      http://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/blog/whole-story/yes-plants-have-protein

    • Rich August 7, 2013, 5:34 pm

      So the guy who described Dr Fuhrman as Crap science turns out to have a Masters in Public Health, be a Registered Dietician and be named Adele.

      Here is her less-controversial than Crap conclusion in the linked article:

      “I have nothing against a plants-only diet—in whatever form it takes—if that’s what a person want to do and it makes him/her happy. I have no more interest in converting a vegan to omnivory than I do in having a vegan attempt to convert me to swearing off bacon. I am also aware that there is more—much more—to food choices than the nutritional content of the food chosen.”

      One woman’s meat is another man’s poison.

      The facts are that Seventh Day Adventists who don’t eat meat live longer than Christian Scientists who don’t drink alcohol or coffee or use tobacco:

      http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/what-adventists-mean-to-you

      Please note I am not advocating any diet or religion, only reporting scientific findings that withstood the test of time:

      Genesis 1:29
      Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.

      Many Biblical scholars believe Jesus was a member of the Nazarene Essenes, a Jewish religious sect that followed a vegetarian diet and rejected animal sacrifices. This is possible when one looks at the Shroud of Turin, a centuries old linen cloth that bears the image of a crucified man, whom many believe to be Jesus. If Jesus was indeed a member of the Nazarene Essenes, he would also have taken the vow of a Nazarene, thus not cut his hair (Numbers 6:5). In the imprint found in the shroud of turin, there is a man with west-asian features (Nazareth is in west Asia), who has long hair, further supporting the claim Jesus was a member of the Nazarene Essenes.

      Daniel 1:11-16
      Daniel then said to the guard whom the chief official had appointed over him: “Please test your servants for ten days: Give us nothing but vegetables to eat and water to drink. Then compare our appearance with that of the young men who eat the royal food, and treat your servants in accordance with what you see.” So he agreed to this and tested them for ten days. At the end of the ten days they looked healthier and better nourished than any of the young men who ate the royal food. So the guard took away their meat and the wine they were to drink and gave them vegetables instead…