A Pianist, Not Bernanke, Deserves Our Praise

We’ve got some explaining to do, since some readers evidently took yesterday’s commentary – “A Cautious Bernanke Finally Gets It Right” — as a paean to the Fed chairman. In fact, we feel quite strongly that America and the rest of the world would be much better off if he’d renounce his role as a policymaker and return to Princeton, there to pursue the harmless, bumbling life of a tenured professor. We’ll come back to Mr. Bernanke in a moment, but let us first mention pianist Joanne Brackeen and Breath of Brazil, a brilliant jazz album released in 1991 that ranks right up there with Bill Evans’ best ensemble work.

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We first heard Brackeen on a album she did with Toots Thielemans, the peerless harmonica virtuoso. We mentioned her here a couple of weeks ago, but we do so again to drive home the point that she is simply incredible.  In the album she did with Toots, her style was a little agitated on some of the tracks but amazingly inventive. In Breath of Brazil, she shows a beautifully relaxed, lyrical style, but with a rhythmic intensity that marks her as one of the foremost interpreters of Brazilian music outside of Brazil. To those readers who enjoy piano jazz, we cannot recommend this album highly enough. It features standards from Jobim, Sergio Mendes, Ivan Lins and other greats. Joanne Brackeen is not particularly well known, but she deserves the widest possible audience.  Although Breath of Brazil is out of print, the digital tracks are available at Amazon and elsewhere on the web. You can sample them by clicking on the link above, or here.

No ‘Cure’ for Deflation

Returning to Mr. Bernanke, when we wrote here yesterday that he had “finally gotten it right,” we didn’t mean to imply that he had found a cure for an economy caught in the vortex of  deflation. Indeed, there is no cure, save hyperinflation — and that would be like curing cancer with a fatal dose of radiation.  We’d only intended to call attention to the fact that the Fed chairman had succeeded at making a major policy speech without upsetting Wall Street. This seemed worth mentioning – seemed extraordinary, really, given the stock market’s wild gyrations of late. But even if investors were briefly becalmed by Mr. Bernanke’s plan to tighten ever-so-gently, they will still have to reckon with the ongoing and inexorable collapse of a debt pyramid amounting to hundreds of trillions of dollars.

Since debts of such magnitude can never be repaid, it would appear inevitable, even to hard-core deflationists such as ourselves, that a hyperinflation lies somewhere down the road. However, with regard to the inflation-versus-deflation debate, the most urgent concern is when this will happen, not if. Many inflationists seem not to understand the implications thereof. “Are you [deflationists] going to pretend that [all this debt] won’t be monetized?” asked “Myron” in the Rick’s Picks forum. No, we deflationists won’t pretend anything, Myron — least of all that a hyperinflation is not coming. But we shall continue to insist that inflationists address the question of when, in the sequence of catastrophic events yet to unfold, this will occur. For if hyperinflation does not come in time to bail out 80 million homeowners who are, or who at some point will be, drowning in mortgage debt, then it can only imply that the lenders will eventually own us all.  On the other hand, if hyperinflation is effected in a way that pushes real estate values to the moon, effectively reducing current mortgage burdens to insignificance, it will necessarily destroy the rentiers who supposedly control our economic lives. You can’t have it both ways, and that is why we demand that you inflationists say exactly when, in the grand scheme of events, hyper-monetization will occur in the U.S.

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  • Kotov February 15, 2010, 5:06 pm

    The current economic environment is tough, with the total debts of the US economy amounting to 60 trillion dollars (both private and public) the interest payments alone of 3 trillion a year prove to be a massive drag on economic activity.

    Generating inflation is now on the highmark of the agenda of the Wall Street elite, yet doing it in a deflationary environment is difficult. To find out how inflation can be brought into the world and the implications for geopolitics please read
    http://financialmarkets2007.blogspot.com/

    I look forward to hearing from you

  • jjay February 14, 2010, 4:58 pm

    Rick, you are right about rebuilding the economy from the ground up, “stimulus” is futile because there is no economy left here to be revived.
    But what mechanism can be used to bring back all the manufacturing jobs lost to China, Mexico, Taiwan over the last twenty years?
    Aren’t H1B Visas financial suicide when the ranks of unemployed Americans keeps growing?
    This is the result of running Common Sense through the meat grinder of Politics.
    It seems 80% of the population wants Common Sense solutions, but the Political meat grinder has its own agenda.

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    Interesting question, J. I’m going to respond in a commentary that will be published in the daily newsletter on Wednesday or Thursday. RA

  • flore February 14, 2010, 9:20 am

    http://fofoa.blogspot.com/2010/02/greece-is-word.html

    needless to say more….

    [Note: The link above is to an in-depth analysis of Greece’s financial problems. RA]

  • blue skies February 13, 2010, 10:49 pm

    Moderator Rick said, “But the fact is, the system is not equipped to handle the creation of electronic dollars in this way.”

    I can think of many ways to push new money into the system. Maybe “home owners” would get a $2000 credit on taxes just for being a “home owner”. Maybe everyone who files taxes would get $2000. If that goes OK, the next year everyone could get $20,000 just for filing.

    Moderator Rick said, “The markets would tolerate this for no more than a few hours before collapsing.”

    Do we all agree that once the collapse begins, it will be very fast? It may take a few days with trading curbs and outright market shutdowns. It took a couple days in Iceland.

    Robert said, “The recipients of that cash will probably turn that money right back around into the banks by paying down their debt with it- further increasing the Banks’ revenue and incomes …”

    In a fractional reserve banking system, paying down debt reduces money in circulation. Therefore paying down debt will not increase bank revenue.

    A suggestion:
    To help the working class wage earners, allowing employees to keep money in their pocket would be a useful first step. Removal of automatic payroll tax withholding would put earned money in people’s pockets immediately without needing to print the money and give it away. This is morally right, and simple to implement.

    As far as concurrent inflation and deflation, Ron Paul called it an “inflationary depression”. Video clip from a couple years ago http://technorati.com/videos/youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DjyYyNaJxjLE

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    The problem is far bigger than withholding tax. In fact, it is probably at least fifty times bigger than the sum total of everyone’s taxes in a given year. The government could announce a five-year moratorium on personal and corporate income taxes and it still wouldn’t be stimulus enough. That’s because debt deflation is feeding off the collapse of a financial shell game valued at anywhere from $200 trillion to $600 trillion dollars (with BIS estimates at the high end of that range. $200Tr is the conservative estimate.) Under the circumstances, dribbling out a little extra grocery money is not going to help much.

    Besides, and to put Keynesian quackery in its place, it’s not a shot in the arm for consumers that is needed, but rather a rebuilding of the economy from the ground up, using savings and investment. Meanwhile, capital cannot be created out of thin air. How much relief do we buy, ultimately, by having the Government/taxpayers go deeper in the hole with tax giveaways designed to stimulate consumption? And how fast would we need to pump funny money into payrolls to counter an asset collapse at least three times the size of global GDP?

    RA

  • jjay February 13, 2010, 9:23 pm

    Cool! Dueling pulses!

  • BDTR February 13, 2010, 4:41 pm

    Interesting discussion. But there are other threats to global economic stability that are absent in the assumption that manmade and/or natural disasters will not factor.
    We’re just entering a new, high sunspot cycle, for example, at a time when Earth’s magnetic field has shown signs of beginning a anticipated shift of polarity.
    Also, as geopolitics grow tense with the expanding influence of Amerikan militarism, economical electromagnetic weapons pose an increasing threat to global communications and electronic data transfer capability. Either source of disruption potentially negates all electronic commerce pushing us back to 19th century technology standards overnight.
    The power of the Fed to influence the value of virtually anything is instantly ended. So what then happens to the value of commodities and trade on a local or regional basis, and what’s likely to be regarded as money in that event? There would then be no discussion here.
    Our exclusive reliance on fragile technologies is as short sighted as is our reliance on equally arrogant government.

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    On the other hand, perhaps electromagnetic pulse is an answer? Imagine Iran “neutralized” — pulsed back into the Stone Age just as they are about to unleash nuclear weapons on the infidels. RA

  • Kevin February 13, 2010, 3:56 pm

    I think your “hidden pivot” method is no better than a random number generator. Let’s prove it. Post the direction of 5 stocks using your method and a time frame (which will be a short time frame since the hidden pivot method is a day trading tool). I’ll use a random number generator and we’ll compare the results. Please include the ticker symbol, the start price, time frame, and your forecasted end price using “hidden pivots”.

    How about it?

    Not expecting you to actually do it, or even post this.

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    Kevin: You can’t imagine how silly this sounds to paid subscribers who see, and use, my numbers every day. You should spring for a trial subscription. I’ll even throw in a $5 discount. RA

  • Chris T. February 13, 2010, 7:32 am

    Rick, thanks for the link, I will check that out.
    From what I have read about Richebacher so far, what he had to say is worth the attention even with the vacillating you point out.

    One other amusing thing about the critique of Fekete in the above links to mises.org–

    Gary North clearly objects to Fekete as being a deflationist.
    Yet the Blumen critique of Fekete`’s support of the Real Bills Doctrine derides that as being (an unacceptable) inflationary position with respect to a full/true gold standard (by permitting bank-fiat vie the RB).

    So, what is he now? De-/ or inflationary?
    Which brings it back to Fekete`s contention of both at the same time.
    And by the way, Fekete´s article about the Declning Marginal Productivity of Credit really does make sense here–
    Ever more (attempts at) credit, with nothing to show for it

    And Bob Hoyes comments you posted also mesh with Fekete’s contention, that adding zero`s to paper money wont work here (as we no longer have a physical cash economy—Hoye), and that thus the paper form of cash in the 1. 5. 10. 20. 50. 100 form is a very constrained supply (even with all presses churning 24/7) which would appreciate with the increasing demand for it — ergo no Weimar or Zimbabwe.
    (But the electronic kind, that is a different story, key-strokes are easy)

    Good night!

  • Chris T. February 13, 2010, 4:52 am

    to Benjamin, and the others here who read/have read Fekete´s and North´s recent comments, and perhaps their other articles.

    A lot of your comments, and Ricks reply above make sense to me.

    What I find saddening though, is the tone being struck, for which Rick points out some reasons.
    However, if one looks at the links North provides at the end of his screed, it is not just North. The links are to mises.org, ´refutations´ by Blumen of Fekete´s arguments , and then a reply to that by Fekete.
    Blumen is also not exactly on the amiable discussion/critique level there, whatever the merit of the content. While Fekete is indeed not always easy to follow on a quick read-through, it would seem to me that the refutations do not really correctly state what Fekete has been trying to say in the past.
    Take a look at what Fekete writes at the end of his reply, when he asked Lew Rockwell, a friend, to post that, in the spirit of a constructive academic discussion.

    If there is one thing the Austrians should have, and I thought the did have, is a respect to this back and forth without name calling, as is practiced in the rest of the dismal science when arguments fail. But now it appears that, when the holy of holies is critiqued (as Fekete dares do with von Mises) , the same ad-hominem, or at least, less than elegant discourse, ensues that one is used to in mainstream.

    If Fekete is wrong, then dispute level-headed and with reason, but leave out the vitriol.
    Having just recently watched Rothbard´s Mozart was a Red, it appears that the people around mises.org go Randian when someone dare question Mises.
    Very unfitting, and does less than credit the whole Austrian thing´.

    Sorry, my $0,05

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    To re-read Kurt Richëbacher’s monthly newsletters, starting about two years before he died in August 2007, is to appreciate how very difficult it was for an Austrian to choke out the word “deflation” in the midst of an almost unfathomably large credit expansion. In fact, Richëbacher had acknowledged as early as 1999, in an interview he did with me for the San Francisco Examiner, that the asset bubble that was still growing at that time was headed toward a deflationary collapse.

    During the next eight years, however, as the credit bubble continued to grow, Richëbacher vacillated on the inflation/deflation question. By 2005, he was in denial about the possibility of deflation, but also uncomfortable with the fact that there was no CPI inflation in sight. This contradiction took its toll on the usually tight logic of The Richëbacher Letter (published monthly by Agora) — so much so that even someone as familiar with his work as I was could not tell exactly where he stood. Unlike North et al., however, he never attacked deflationists. And in the end, as far as I could tell, he accepted debt deflation not merely as possible, but as likely.

    In retrospect, it would appear that Richëbacher was the first and last Austrian to allow his instincts to overrule the rigid definitions of inflation and deflation espoused by monetarists, including the Austrians.

    For your interest, here’s a link to the Examiner interview: http://www.rickackerman.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Richebacher-Interview.doc

    –Rick Ackerman

  • Benjamin February 13, 2010, 12:59 am

    Kind of figured your next commentary would address this, Rick. I got your point the first time, though. But it puzzles me, I admit, as to why markets didn’t respond as one might expect. Might you explain the why of this, and what it might mean?
    I’m just plain stumped!

    Edwardo 02.12.10 at 6:06 pm, Chris T. 02.12.10 at 10:14 am

    The problem here, I think, is that Fekete and North are using different definitions of inflation. Strictly speaking, it’s an increase in money supply. North (rightly) never strays from this definition. Never once have I seen him do this. What Fekete describes is inflation in Treasurys that cause a fall in other asset prices. More like a depressionary force exterted on the market, not really a deflationary one on money supply.

    They’re both right, imo, but North being so strict on definition… Well, he tends to miss what anyone using it more liberally is saying, so he goes all out to discredit their entire argument.

    So how I see it, there can be all sorts of inflation while at the same time depression (not deflation) because the money isn’t paying people to work so they can pay bills. It’s going to bond “speculation”.

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    Too bad about North’s obsession with monetarism. With his peerless knowledge of the banking system and the Fed, he’s the guy I’d have bet on to correctly predict what was coming. Instead, he completely missed the boat — an asset deflation as big as a million Titanics. His monetarist arguments have grown increasingly strident over the last five years, as though shaking his fist at deflationists would change the visible facts. What evidently has confounded him, and made him even crankier than he used to be, is that the most massive monetary stimulus ever attempted has yet to produce much more than a mild whiff of inflation.

    He’ll be right eventually, of course, but don’t let him tell you he foresaw that inflation would lag free federal-funds money and a so-far multi-trillion dollar monetary blowout, not by the textbook interval of 18 months, but by years and years and still counting. RA

  • PhotoRadarScam February 12, 2010, 11:30 pm

    I don’t think I’m an inflationist or deflationist. Deflation is happening now but this will end eventually.

    If you’re looking for a date, no one can provide one. But if you’re looking for an event trigger, I belive the HI will start once the fed starts to have poor attendance at the treasury auctions. This weeks’ auctions didn’t go well (but could have been worse), but if it gets worse, the fed will have two options… increase interest rates and/or print money. I think there’s only so far the fed will go with interest rates before it totally relies on the printing option. Politically, interest rate hikes will be difficult. But we have to remember, the fed will save wall street before it saves main street. At this point, holders of US treasuries will start to sell or liquidate holdings, and we will have an over-supply of USD which will accelerate inflation. We’ll probably see this happen first in oil. Then the process will accelerate and flood into all market sectors as dollar holders rush to convert devaluing dollars for goods. RE will probably see the results last, as the oversupply of RE must be remedied first. But I would expect it will be a long while before empty office buildings look like a good thing to convert USD into.

    Let me conclude with my thoughts that I don’t think we need high inflation or hyperinflation for gold to go to $2000+. Gold does pretty well in deflationary times.

  • jjay February 12, 2010, 11:29 pm

    The Fed and the Federal Government know the truth.
    They are playing for time, hoping that if they act confident long enough, the Yen or Euro will take the fall first and bring in a flood of safe haven money.
    They have to prop up the deflating real estate market and talk about “job creation”
    It is perfectly clear to even a government official that Free Trade and Open Borders has destroyed our economy, and as a consequence, their tax base.
    It’s the final three man showdown, just like the one at the end of “The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly. I hope our guy doesn’t lose his nerve.

  • Dale February 12, 2010, 10:19 pm

    One of my favorite programs, on N’Obama’s Propaganda Radio (NPR) is Marian McPartland’s Piano Jazz: http://www.npr.org/templates/rundowns/rundown.php?prgId=24

    What a talented and gracious lady she is, and at 92 can still play superbly, often performing duets with her guests. Her Bio is here: http://www.tedkurland.com/pbuild/linkbuilder.cfm?selection=doc.233

    In August of 2005, she interviewed Joanne Brackeen, the “Picasso of jazz piano” and a UC Berkley professor. Ms Brackeen demonstrated her talent on a few pieces and the two of them play duets as well. They play a total of eight pieces during the program. From the review “Brackeen’s admiration for Marian is evident throughout the show. It’s certainly reflected in her performances of the McPartland original, ‘Ambiance.’ After Marian introduces the tune’s theme, Brackeen comes in, channeling her host’s elegant touch. Marian then rejoins her guest, taking the song in playful directions in an interesting case of stylistic role reversal. …. The two take on Coleman’s bluesy “Turnaround” before wrapping up the show with John Coltrane’s “Giant Steps”.

    Enjoy it here:
    http://www.npr.org/templates/player/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=false&id=101558445&m=101467010

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    Thanks, Dale. I’ve enjoyed Marian McPartland’s playing (and show) for years, although I didn’t know she was 92. Seems music really can keep you young. RA

  • mario cavolo February 12, 2010, 8:11 pm

    loving the jazz piano talk Rick…i just finished nine months playing the lounge at the Mandarin Oriental here in Sanya on weekends and I miss it…you didn’t think the only thing I did at night was watch the tickers?….meanwhile, on the inflation/hyperinflation talk, China is surely leading that parade…I’m saddened that they orchestrated the real estate bubble as they have, especially in the past six months, especially this past single month in which Hainan Island became St. Barts with a doubling of already too high property prices…no kidding. They spoiled what was a steady, reasonable progression for the good of the country.

    Happy Chinese New Year all…for the holiday tomorrow, my darling wife bought me the traditional Chinese red underwear with gold Chinese characters to wear… so I guess undies with hearts for Valentines Day which falls on the same day, lose out for this year…ahh the things we do in the name of world culture diversification and marriage.

    Cheers, Mario

  • Myron February 12, 2010, 8:04 pm

    Rick: You saw fit to quote, so I see fit to reply to your question of “exactly…when hyperinflation will occur.” Sorry, but that is impossible, as you well know. To be sure we are talking about the same thing, I will stick with the simple definition of (hyper) inflation as expansion of the money supply. So why does it matter as to ‘when’ if we believe it is inevitable? And since the future is uncertain, I continue to hold gold stocks in the BELIEF they will rise, but with close trailing stops to get me out if they don’t.

    What I see happening is more of the same: Money (debt) is being made available as needed to maintain the banks and government institutions, but next to nothing for MainStreet, except the bills. Inflation to save the PTB, deflation for the herd.

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    I’ve spared you the task of telling us exactly when, Myron. Instead, I have asked implictly only whether home prices will inflate or perhaps hyperinflate. The inflation-versus-deflation “debate” has little practical significance outside of that question. RA

  • Other Paul February 12, 2010, 7:00 pm

    Rick,
    Thank you for giving me this forum and your prompt and well-reasoned reply.

    I’ve also wondered how Ben’s chopper “drops” would function. You capsulize the barriers very well.

    Since the fall of 2008 there has been a tremendous effort (if measured in dollars, alone) to have an economic “soft landing.” One measure of success would be to put a floor under real estate prices, to say, early 2000s levels. But will the next tsunami of mortgage resets, and the coming mountain of commercial real estate unpleasantness, going to be the straws that could break the backbone of the “extend and pretend,” skeletonized banking system?

    Through Fannie and Freddie, it looks like the US Gov’t wants to be the ultimate real estate banker of last resort. If history is any good indicator, the Gov’t (read politicians) won’t want to be ordering too many foreclosures and “furniture to the curb” projects for insolvent voters. OK, so it will be Trillions more on the debt pile. What’s the USDollar index done since the announcement a couple of weeks ago that the Federal budgets will be in deficit, effectively forever? Where have those Treasury rates gone? Looks like there is no problemo!

  • Robert February 12, 2010, 6:32 pm

    “we demand that you inflationists say exactly when, in the grand scheme of events, hyper-monetization will occur in the U.S”

    – Since Hyper inflations have historically expanded from a political trigger point, as opposed to an economic one, I’ll submit that inflation will begin to edge toward going out of control at the point that the majority of Americans have become so incensed with Washington for cow-towing to the bankers that they basically vote in a Congress and Executive Branch that are amenable to putting Bennie’s helicopter theory to the ultimate test…

    I’ve said it before: Given the choice between bowing to congressional pressure to fire up the money machine, versus facing possible extinction as more Bills like HR1207 come out of the woodwork- the Fed will choose the self-preservationary path of the printing press.

    Think back to yesterday’s discussion on the Fed’s “unwinding” strategy:

    Bernanke says they can keep banks from loaning reserves by paying them interest on those reserves- however, if Joe Blow needs the money and is willing to pay the bank 20% for it, will the Fed offer the bank 21% not to loan it to Joe Blow? And if they did that, wouldn’t the populist anger toward the banks and teh Fed crank up even higher?

    No- given the choice between keeping reserves anchored in a Fed- sponsored CD, versus releasing the money into circulation- Both the President and Congress (both current or future) will side with the voters and pressure the banks to loan into the market, and the banks, fearing populist upheaval, will go ahead and write the loans.

    But, just for argument’s sake, let’s assume that the banks DO take the Fed up on it’s offer to accept a CD rate that generates a rate competitive alternative to loaning out the money- in that case the interest payments from the Fed would increase the banks’ revenue, and would fall right through to the operating income statement, since there is no way the banks could jack up their cost structure sufficiently to absorb those funds operationally (unless the banks simply started hiring every unemployed Joe out there and started paying them outrageous salaries to do effectively nothing).

    So, with expanding bank revenue and income- we could expect even bigger bonuses for Bankers, and they will spend this money into the market as they buy more and more Mercedes, Mansions, and Gold Bullion. The recipients of that cash will probably turn that money right back around into the banks by paying down their debt with it- further increasing the Banks’ revenue and incomes, and creating even bigger bonuses and even more spending…

    Either way- the money leaves the Fed, and gets into circulation, either by the banks loaning it, or by the bankers spending it. Future price increases are baked in the cake as the amount of circulating cash increases.

    Back to the question of timing- this is a tricky one. How many market tops or bottoms have any of us correctly called in our lifetimes?

    There is a Congressional election in late 2010, and a Presidential election in 2012, leaving 2011 and 2013 as viable options for a possible political tipping point.

    Keep your finger on the pulse of the populist anger- the people can only punish the banks and the Fed by voting in complicit elected officials. The argument that the population will continue to quietly accept increasing debt deflation resulting from the default and foreclosure of their homes (and their friends/neighbor’s homes) without inciting increasingly inflammatory political riots is pretty far-reaching in my opinion… the money will flow long before then, and since the rich will not be willing to convert their real assets into money to accomplish this outflow, the money will be created the same way it has for 87 years…

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    The creditworthiness of Americans is already at an all-time low, and that is why I doubt the banks can lower their lending standards sufficiently to incite, in particular, a real estate inflation, much less a hyperinflation. However, I do subscribe to Schiff’s theory, that a Treasury-induced monetization lies down the road, and that the bailout of the U.S. Treaury will encompass all bond markets when it dawns on investors that government debt alone has protected status. The markets would tolerate this for no more than a few hours before collapsing. RA

  • le scott February 12, 2010, 6:27 pm

    Rick,

    I was both surprised and happy that you are an adherent to Jazz, for Jazz in its purest form is a search for Truth through music–just as gold is a search for Truth through currencies.
    Unfortunately, not too many in this world are concerned with Truth. As a jazz musician and composer, I am often at the vagaries of marketeers with agendas–just as politicians, Wall Street and bankers have their own agendas…Recently, in memory of Bill Evans, I put drama and lyrics to his work (based upon knowing Bill and many of his friends). The jazz media was outraged.
    The Bill Evans Songbook revealed Bill in a different light, a light of tragic decisions and circumstances (along with much of the good he brought to the world).
    Again, I am glad , Rick, that you have equated the truth in music with the truth in economics…

    le scott, evolvingarts.net

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    Without music, Le, the world would make no sense. RA

  • jazzmaniac February 12, 2010, 6:12 pm

    I have no problem embracing simultaneous deflation/inflation. Asset deflation (particularly financial) peacefully coexisting with commodity inflation is the world as we know it.

    Rick, you might want to check out Jessica Williams, another veteran female pianist with a deep sense of musical structure.

  • Edward0 February 12, 2010, 6:06 pm

    Please post this edited version.

    I hope Professor Fekete has a rebuttal to North’s rejoinder. North’s main point seems to be that Fekete’s thesis leaves out corporate and municipal bonds. However, Mr. North concludes his attack on Fekete with an absolute and obvious falsehood:

    North:

    “Is he blind? This is exactly what has happened! The recession was reversed by massive FED spending that saved the housing market: over $1 trillion.”

    How has the recession been reversed? I think you might be able to argue, though tortuously, that the recession has been stemmed, but reversed? Hardly. Reversed connotes restoration, and since unemployment has been, and remains, massive, there has been no restoration. And that’s just for starters with respect to the assertion that there has been an economic reversal. Then we have the whopper of whoppers asserting that the housing market has been saved. Have housing prices risen, or merely stabilized? And are they simply bouncing along a temporary bottom? As in so many, if not all, arguments, there are three issues one must contend with, basic premises, facts, and the definition of terms. Mr. North has not demonstrated impeccability on any of those fronts.

  • richard February 12, 2010, 6:01 pm

    We are in a position to have a massive inflation already since the monetary base expansion is so huge. So we already have the inflationary gun loaded based on our definition of inflation.
    But that money is not being lent, just a fairly large sum being spent by the guv. The spin is endless with regard to how the Fed/Treasury can withdraw this “excess liquidity.”
    I am too old to be able to believe this based on smell alone.
    Is it the liquidity that is the excess or is it the debt and losing side of derivative bets made by banks that is excess?
    What would the potential amount of these bank losses be? And the gains?
    Having access to the “excess” liquidity may enable the banks to play for time, declare fictitious profits, maybe pay off a few losing bets, etc.
    But what is being done to limit the real problem? Only Volcker/O Bama. No congressional/senatorial support to restore some sort of Glass Steagal provision.
    On the other hand I do not believe for a second that any guv will limit spending in the absence of external limits such as would be aupplied by a gold standard.

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    As C.V. Myers said, ultimately ever penny of every debt must be paid — if not by the borrower, then by the lender. So far, there is little evidence that the Guvvamint wants the lenders to take the fall, and that is why asset values have continued to deflate across-the-board. RA

  • Other Paul February 12, 2010, 5:55 pm

    Since 1913 the bankers have depended on a slow, steady inflation and an expanding clientele to “earn” those year-end bonuses.

    The 1930s Depression was bad for bankers, depositors and those who couldn’t pay their mortgages. Pretty much everyone took a “hit.” The 1930s deflation wasn’t ever in bankers’ playbook.

    Although some too-small-to-save bank owners have been wiped out since the creation of the FDIC, most bankers have survived and are thriving (as evidenced by bonus time), even during this recent financial melt-down. Tactics, such as TARP and other FDIC-like-programs-on-steroids, have been done to avoid the 1930s Depression’s consequences.

    I can’t see a “total recall” of recent US Gov’t tactics occurring. I’ll change my opinion when the US Gov’t forces a tidal wave of money (with or without using Federal Reserve Notes) directly to The People. To date, we’ve only see crumbs of direct, emergency distributions from the Feds, with the states’ unemployment funds (and employers) taking the biggest hits.

    The bankers are not going to voluntarily provide the mega-bucks used to vaporize their assets through hyperinflation.

    &&&&&

    I’ve facetiously suggested that the Guvvamint add three zeroes to our bank accounts if they really want to inflate. But the fact is, the system is not equipped to handle the creation of electronic dollars in this way. For one, credit card limits would need to be raised commensurately to actualize inflation. It’s not likely the feds would use physical dollars, as was done in Zimbabwe and Weimar, because our consumer economy is simply not geared to functioning on cash. If hyperinflation is effected in this way nonetheless, the scramble would be on to trade currency for real goods. The lesson of Weimar is that the best “real goods” you could buy would be productive farmland. RA

  • Steve February 12, 2010, 5:45 pm

    Rick;
    I tender the opinion that we are already “owned” by individual debt greater than we can pay off. Another of those useless facts from 1934 – HJR192 along with its Senate counterpart stated in relevant part ‘All property belongs to the state, the people have a mere use’. Another part of HJR192 set as public policy the practice of anti-constitutional monetary practice. Looking at Bernanke is like looking at muddy water, not knowing it is raining, and having no idea what causes a flood. Thus ‘we’ build our houses in the flood plain, and then wonder why it’s wet inside. My simple-logic question is; can Bernanke stop deflation, can Bernanke stop inflation ? Did I build my home in the flood plain ? We seem to be worried about growing something we do not own, for a master we do not understand, under theory that has tested its self lacking historically.

  • G.C. February 12, 2010, 3:13 pm

    Since the banksters own the most GOLD, thats exactly whats going to happen and NOT care.

  • rockingham February 12, 2010, 2:40 pm

    That Joanne Brackeen physical CD is very available at Amazon and half.com.
    I order lots of DVDs online for a few computer-phobic friends. Used movie DVDs prices get lower and lower. I see deflation, even dumping to raise quick cash. I think those who sell used CDs and DVDs on line are stuck with an inventory that is going down in price. Amazon is the premier outlet for such sales with half.com (ebay owned) in second place or maybe ebay itself is.

    Amazon is stealing lots of ebay business, not just in CDs and DVDs

  • Chris T. February 12, 2010, 10:14 am

    This just newly posted:

    the deflation / inflation debate is carried on elsewhere, too.

    Here:
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north811.html

    find Gary North’s article discussing ANtal Fekete’s article which I reference above.

    I like reading them both, I believe Rick reads Gary North as well.
    The best part is that both go in the Austrian direction, where Fekete extends and departs from that a bit.

    Enjoy!
    (Rick, feel free to weigh in some other day if you find anything to pique us there…)

  • Chris T. February 12, 2010, 9:14 am

    Rick,

    Yesterday, Edwardo posted the link to Antal Fekete’s current article, which I think is important, and sheds some light here as well.
    Edwardo posted this one: http://www.financialsense.com/editorials/fekete/2010/0209.html
    but it appears to be broken.

    It is also at:
    http://news.goldseek.com/GoldSeek/1265726186.php
    and I would highly recommend anyone interested in this to read it.

    and Rick, as you are familiar with Dr Fekete’s writings, in case you haven’t seen this yet, you will prob. find it very interesting too.

    Finally as to CC’s comment above, here too Dr. Fekete has a good take in his article “can we have inflation and deflation at the same time” (or so)
    should be easy to find via google, it is worth a look for the not either/or camp but a some of both notion.

    Regards!

  • TahoeBilly February 12, 2010, 7:59 am

    The Federal Reserve must be, by logical deduction, either one of two things;

    A) a thoughtful caring semi private organization that supposedly stepped in to help an inept US Government print and manage lending money (as these potential “saviors” forefathers had done for centuries in Europe in their infinite math skills and wisdom!), and they must have done and continue doing this all from an altruistic position to help the poor idiots who can’t figure out how to print the money themselves, or

    B) are actual masters of the their created economic slaves (US), no more no less.

    Gee Gilligan, it’s maybe something in between. Sorta godly, sorta evil, NOT!

    Pick one!

    TB

  • CC February 12, 2010, 7:47 am

    ‘Deflation’ as it were, is the cure for a credit boom. In the case of the U.S., it’s been a very long boom, beginning somewhere in the early 80’s with the advent of easy credit, ramping up sharply in the past 10 years or so. While there is certainly ‘deflation’ in housing prices – albeit those prices were highly inflated to begin with, there are also man-made distortions that make a blanket call of deflation across the board unrealistic.

    As far as ‘hyperinflation’ goes – who knows? Must we have ‘hyperinflation’ to effect pain in the way of higher prices for necessities? (owning a house is not a necessity item)

    And what about Gold as a measure of inflation? Fear? Speculation? Or are the high prices for gold nothing more than ‘higher gold prices’…?

    To this man it is unrealistic and unreliable to insist that the situation we have – or face going forward, is an either/or proposition of all-out Deflation or hyperinflation, and that elements of the two cannot exist simultaneously.

    Barring an absolute answer as to the question of ‘when’ hyperinflation will ensue, there is one element of the current scenario that can be answered Yay verily, right now: The lies, reverse-repo’s and all of the other government chicanery that is going on behind the scenes will continue to distort natural market forces until it is either overwhelmed by those natural market forces, or their distortions result in the destruction of the currency.

    When gasoline is $1.50/gallon, gold is $500/oz. and my grocery bill is 1/2 (or less) of what it is right now, I will believe that we have all-out Deflation.

    -CC