Long-Term Yields Bottoming Here?

Long-term yields could be bottoming here if a T-Bond futures target that we’d flagged the other day holds up.  The target, a Hidden Pivot resistance at exactly 134^09 (basis the September contract), lies just two ticks above yesterday’s high, 134^07, and corresponds to a yield of about 3.64% on the 30-Year Bond. However, since we cannot rule out the possibility that bond prices will continue to rise, driving yields even lower, we will continue to monitor the target closely. There are several possibilities going forward. One is that the target gets decisively penetrated within the next few days. If that were to occur we would regard it as a clear sign that the extremely powerful rally begun in April is likely to continue at its recent pace. T-Bond quotes have been rising steeply since spring as yields have fallen from around 4.86%, but it’s conceivable that yields could drop to as low as 3% if the rally continues until November.  Another possibility is that the 134^09 Hidden Pivot contains the rally for the time being. That would suggest that yields will either remain steady or move higher.

The money managers have yet to detect that it's only a mirage

Usually we can discern a reason for trend changes in the trading vehicles we track and forecast. But in the case of the long bond, the logic of a downturn in prices can be very elusive, if not to say arcane. Explaining why bond prices have risen in recent months, on the other hand, is not rocket science. The conventional explanation is that investors around the world have bought U.S bonds because they are still the safest investment around. If there is any borrower that can still be reckoned as too big to fail, the U.S. Government is it. (For the record, we see the U.S. as a bankruptcy-in-progress and cannot conceive of any other outcome.)

A Lush Mirage

Additional “support” for Treasurys is coming from the government itself, since the U.S. is now parking the proceeds from maturing mortgage paper in longer-dated T-Bonds. We put quotes around the word “support” because it is beyond stupid to think that a bankrupt government’s purchases of its own debt supports much of anything except a mirage. Even so, we accept that the institutional lemmings will continue for yet a while longer to gorge themselves on the coconuts, cool water, dates, figs and olives produced by their lush mirage. As to why bond yields would be headed higher, we can only speculate that perhaps the debt paper issued by newly-austere Europe will gain favor for a while.

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  • Chris T. August 20, 2010, 12:19 am

    Other Paul:
    “6. Potential Black Swans (such as attacks on Iranian nuclear facilities)”

    You can not really call that a black swan, as such an attack is hardly SO outside of the sphere of imaginables, as to fit that definition–
    looked at from the point of us at large.

    More important, from the point of view of this happening, it is entirely predictable for a subset of people, as they will be the ones controlling the actual when, where, and how of any such attack.

    Knowing how our corrupt system works, these people will of course also keep the DC-NY axis fully informed in order to be positioned appropriately.

    Us peons of course not, but generally, the black swan monicker should not be applied to that event.

  • Other Paul August 19, 2010, 10:09 pm

    Robert,
    Thank you for your thoughtful reply about the potential positive effects from a change in the Congressional make-up after the November elections.

    Even a significant victory (40 House seats and a few Senators) for conservative / libertarian candidates will still face a veto threat from the President and little chance to override, especially if the President’s vetoes are promoted as “saving” transfer payments to the most needy.

    The usual benefits from a “stalemated” legislative-executive battle over spending will not be effective in giving comfort to bondholders, especially when there are “do nothing” results coupled with perennial trillion $ plus deficits.

    In summary, please see #7.

    Take care.

  • Steve August 19, 2010, 9:32 pm

    Is this the same Bill Gross that cried like a baby to the congress so he wouldn’t loose his bond ass ? All the while We the People got screwed ?

  • Other Paul August 19, 2010, 7:18 pm

    Although we can cry and moan about how “unfair” are QE2 and other programs to drive down Treasury interest rates (especially if you are betting on higher rates), the market (rigged or not) is telling us that serious money (real or conjured) is being poured into Treasuries (or left in Treasuries).

    Potential buyers and current holders (“real” or not) have a variety of motivations, some of which are:
    1. Safe haven
    2. Rates competitive with low CD and Money Market rates
    3. Potential capital gains (Bank of Japan’s 10 yrs at 1%)
    4. Political– (executive and legislative, Fed actions), through monetization debts (providing the ever-present “Household” bidder”) to reduce interest costs to government, businesses and individuals.
    5. Economic (recycling USD from trade surpluses with the US).
    6. Potential Black Swans (such as attacks on Iranian nuclear facilities)

    Some motivations to not buy or to sell, using #1 though #6, above, are:
    7. Instability in the US [civil unrest; falling government tax revenues and larger budget deficits (now and in the future)]
    8. Competitive interest rates from other governments, corporations, international funding agencies.
    9. Loss of principal (in the absence of any “buffer” of interest income)
    10. Loss of political will to “suppress” interest rates.
    11. Falling demand for Treasuries through reduced trade surpluses, better alternatives such commodities, competition (See #8).
    12. Black swans such as serious chinks in the armor of the USD as the reserve currency

    In summary, with such low interest income, serious investors, who are the vast majority of those buying Treasuries, have to be most concerned about the return of purchasing power of their principal (See #9, above).

    • Robert August 19, 2010, 8:41 pm

      Another possibility for Treasuries that I’ve spent some energy pontificating on is that maybe the Bond market is pricing in an expected shift to the right in the November US election cycle…

      The global bond market might be associating such a shift with impending political stability in the US.

      In short, the Bond market seems like it might be mistakenly correlating US political stability with US economic stability- which, I submit, will require a lot more than an election to bring about.

      I mean, what if, as a consequence of the election process, we happen to increase the number of right wing/libertarian hard money advocates in Congress?

      I’m still confident that hedging against paper assets in all forms is still a viable mega-trend strategy, regardless of what the Bond Market happens to be thinking on Thursday, Aug 19, 2010.

      I’m listening to Pimco and Bill Gross

  • Robert August 19, 2010, 5:58 pm

    I hope the long bond is bottoming… That would be good news for me.

    My long position in TBT is down 14% and I’ve been debating whether to cash average down, or to just take the pain I deserve for daring to play with a leveraged ETF in the first place…

    Maybe I can get TBT back to break even and ditch it for a non-leveraged rising long yield fund like RYJUX.

    • JG August 23, 2010, 4:36 pm

      I am in the exact same boat on that play.

      It will be a good play one day if I live long enough.

      Tough call what would Rick do?

  • Rich August 19, 2010, 4:17 pm

    “short from 1090.00 in the E-Mini S&Ps”
    nice trade Rick with 1077.35 so far…

  • JohnJay August 19, 2010, 3:32 pm

    I don’t know what the Bond Market will do.
    I do know that on a economic three legged stool of Government Jobs, Manufacturing Jobs, and Housing Related Jobs, we are down to two legs, one strong, one termite infested.
    With the Manufacturing Jobs leg gone, only low monthly payments is preventing a complete house price collapse.
    I expect the Fed to do everything it can to keep interest rates at historic lows to maintain the illusion of housing price stability.
    The Fannie/Freddie/FHA complex is already back to essentially nothing down home financing, that takes low interest rates to pull off.
    That old saw, “Markets can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent” comes to mind.

  • Avocado August 19, 2010, 1:03 pm

    With 65% of transactions worldwide denominated in dollars its no surprise that dollars will be in demand every now and then. I suspect what is really happening is the powers that be see something most of the rest of the world does not: Another crash, a la 2008, maybe worse. If you add up all the indicators buried in the government and other reports the future does not look good.

    Once the deflation of credit has run its course we will get to where the government really is bankrupt and has trouble paying its debt. Gold may soar, the government may default, nobody REALLY knows what will happen.

    Before then I expect another grand selloff of assets to pay for dollar denominated debt, especially if the derivitives market implodes. Everything but the dollar going down. It could last longer than the last time. Bottom in 2-5 years.

    Andy

  • jj August 19, 2010, 6:26 am

    Benjamin, when the Fat Lady sings her last song in the US bond market arena “Not Too Big To Fail” It will be spiritual !!!

    Print baby, print…the Bernanke Put plays out……as the sheeple buy into US Debt as a safe haven trade, hello???

    Now I know why aliens haven’t bothered with earth….no intelligent life

  • Benjamin August 19, 2010, 4:56 am

    “As to why bond yields would be headed higher, we can only speculate that perhaps the debt paper issued by newly-austere Europe will gain favor for a while.”

    I can see where you’re coming from, but if Europe is truly going skin and bones… wouldn’t that mean not so much debt for sale? It all remains to be seen, of course, but assuming they stick with it, I can’t see their bonds driving U.S. yields higher. Anyway, as for the commentary on the whole…

    Huh… whoever would’ve thunk that the Garden of Eden would be found at the bottom of the bottomless pit? But just think… the further and longer interest falls, the sweeter the fruits. We just have to have _faith_, is all!

    And I’ll come right out and say it. I have faith that paradise lies at the bottom of the bottomless. It has to because we haven’t seen it yet and surely it has to be somewhere! But I’ve 100% doubt of we mortals ever being able to reach it…

    • Steve August 19, 2010, 6:15 am

      Benjamin,

      Paradise is a warm fire, loved ones held close, a full belly, and a good story before a sung dry bed with someone you’ve loved for 20 years.

    • Benjamin August 19, 2010, 9:22 am

      Beautifully said, Steve. I should have said “can’t reach it… in that way”.

      @jj

      No intelligent life? But if that’s so, why take the word of an “idiot”?! 😉

  • FranSix August 19, 2010, 4:11 am

    Long term bond yields remained low for an extended period of time during and post-depression, even after WWII. Rates were ~2% in 1949 and only saw the onset of small changes in the 1950’s.

    The Dow is famously known as only having recovered its previous high long after the depression.