Campus Fervor Grows for Libertarian Ideas

[My wife, Marilyn Ackerman, has been raptly absorbed for more than a year in the works of such laissez-faire economists as Smith, Hayek, Mises, Hazlitt and Sowell. She is presently immersed in Rothbard, whose thousand-page tome, Man, Economy and State, she brought with her to my college reunion in Charlottesville last weekend. The blogging side of this quest for knowledge has put her into close contact with college students whose burgeoning interest in libertarian ideas represents a bright spot in the U.S. political scene. Below is her report from the field. RA].

The weekend commentary by Wayne Razzi,  What Are You Going To Do? generated many dismal and depressing posts. It reminded me that neither Wayne nor his tormentors  know what I know, namely that there is currently a rapidly growing movement of young Americans — on college campuses, no less — who understand the importance of preserving our liberties and combating tyranny. So, while it may seem to some jaded Rick’s Picks readers that there is nothing we can do about the ebbing away of basic freedoms, there is a whole new generation of liberty-minded young Americans who are not ready concede defeat.  To the contrary, these kids mean business – and they have the smarts and the drive to take on the challenge.

One group at the forefront of this movement is Young Americans for Liberty. The group was founded to support Ron Paul’s presidential run in 2008 but has evolved into a fast-growing campus-based entity that gives a home to students who are uncomfortable with the liberal/progressive tone that dominates the academy in most locales. At Colorado State University alone, the figures on participation rose from a piddling three attendees at the first meeting in 2009 to an audience of more than 400 at an appearance by Tom Woods last fall, according to past president of CSU’s YAL chapter, Eric Roche. “Yes, we had to take money from the students to pay for the event, which we’d rather not do, but we just couldn’t pull it off on our own……but, we were really happy with the turnout.”

Not since William F. Buckley shook the shingles of Yale in the Fifties has there been such a surge in numbers of young, anti-liberal college students – right on the campuses. But, these are not your father’s Young Republicans. They aren’t Republicans at all; neither are they willing to be called “conservative.” No, these young, liberty-minded Americans are unabashed Libertarians. And, where the heck did they come from? Roche doesn’t exactly know, but he says their numbers “just keep growing……..students are clearly hungry for this type of information.” That their numbers are growing is very good news – indeed.

Some of these kids are simply rebelling against their progressive/revisionist public school educations, upon learning somewhat later than they should have that Thomas Jefferson did more than sire a bunch of half-breeds with Sally Hemings. They were on the global warming field trip when the 15-minute founding fathers unit was covered, and they are making it up on their own time. Also, they are the victims of some of the most appalling, repressive and over-zealous law enforcement that we’ve seen since the Civil Rights movement. (Click here for a report on protestors’ dance party last weekend at the Jefferson Memorial.) They don’t like being told they can’t dance. Or, what to eat. Or that they can’t own guns. In fact, like the young of every era, they don’t much want to be told what to do at all. But what is most surprising about them is their profound and passionate dedication to the Libertarian cause, to Ron Paul, to dismantling the Fed, to fighting big government and  tyranny and to learning everything they can about economics…from the Austrian point of view.

More Than Guns and Abortion

I met a couple of these young Americans for Liberty at a Ludwig von Mises event last summer, and over the last year, mostly in Facebook posts and comments, I have come to understand exactly how they think. They are a formidable entity, not just forensic debaters in some onanistic exercise to preserve guns and outlaw abortion. No, these kids have read the texts and could hold their own in battle with any progressive pantywaist arguing for more spending, higher debt ceilings, and a broader reach for the nanny state. They know they are being gamed, and they are prepared to do what it takes to stop it.

Could they get Ron Paul elected in 2012? “With some help, yeah,” says Edward Furst, 21, an EMT, YAL member, frequent v-logger and organizer of the Renegade Rothbard reading group in Fort Collins, CO.  Furst is two years into his Libertarian conversion, which erupted when he watched the YouTube videos “Peter Schiff Was Right” and Tom Wood’s “Why You’ve Never Heard of the Depression of 1920” and “Keynesian Prediction vs. U.S. History.” He says that the students who are finding their way into the liberty groups aren’t doing it in response to anything Obama has done – remarkably – but for more purely economic reasons. They see the price of food, gas…of everything going up, and their prospects for post-grad employment shriveling, and they see it as their issue. “Earlier student Libertarians were more interested in legalizing drugs and preserving gun rights,” says Furst. And while these concerns retain importance, it’s really the economic issues that are paramount to today’s students. “It was obvious that the Austrians were the ones that accurately predicted the meltdown [in 2008]……you know — Schiff, Mark Thornton, Jim Rogers, Doug Casey……they all had it right.”

They Know the Score…

These young people read, absorb, discuss and disseminate to others, vast amounts of literature that isn’t even in the syllabi of classes at our most prestigious schools of economics; Mises, Hayek, Rothbard (and Griffin, Woods, Paul and Stossel) are squarely in their sights. They know our money is phony, and they know that central banking is no more than an agent of servitude and malinvestment, corruption and control. They know that we are truly on the road to serfdom. They’ve also read Marx, Engels, Lenin and Stalin, so they are aware of the dangers that await us at the end of that bumpy road.

So, what are you going to do? Well, I hope you will try to find a YAL chapter at a school near you. “We all have a lot of passion, heart and energy,” says Furst. “We just don’t have the resources to put on events, disseminate literature and – most importantly – create media.” Though, in reality, Furst is doing his part by organizing a group to read and discuss Rothbard’s Man, Economy and State over the summer. He has also created many wildly popular v-logs on the issues, the most pertinent being his treatment of the IMF ruse, following the recent Kahn/hotel-maid scandal. Take a look and you’ll understand how these kids think, how they see the world and how clearly they understand the need for, dare I say, revolution?

So, what are you going to do? Why not help the like-minded young among us take the helm, and steer our ship of state back to course. Obama youth don’t own the internet  (thank the Maker). When we begin to think there is nothing we can do, we need to remember those coming behind us, the ones we’ve left this mess to. If they are willing to work this hard, to read and digest, to organize and proselytize, to spend their summer vacation reading…Rothbard!  the least we can do is let them know we appreciate their efforts. The least we can do is support their efforts – with time, money, books – whatever you can spare. For the cost of a dinner out you could sponsor a great local speaker at an event, or the cost of flyers to announce meetings and events. If you think there is nothing you can do, at least give these students the opportunity to see what they can do.

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  • Kathy Greene June 16, 2011, 7:07 pm

    Murray, a hero for the college set? I can hear him chortling now! Murray was a dear friend of ours, and is greatly missed. It is wonderful to see that his brilliant works are now becoming popular. Re: messages above- Murray was dumped from Rand’s inner circle because he would not divorce his wife Joanne (she was a Presbyterian and Rand did not consider that “rational”). Young Americans for Liberty used to be Young Americans for Freedom and the 30 or so of us who were “purged” from the group (for being Libertarians) went on to form the Society for Individual Liberty which eventually became became the Libertarian Party; Re: Jefferson- Sally Hemmings was his wife’s half sister, the daughter of his father-in-law. Her mother was a half white slave on his father-in-law’s plantation. Sally was said to be very beautiful, intelligent and talented. It’s no surprise that Jefferson was attracted!

  • Anonymous June 10, 2011, 12:36 pm

    The Growing Movement for Publicly Owned Banks
    “We the people have given away our sovereign money-creating power to private, for-profit lending institutions, which have used it to siphon wealth from the productive economy. Some states are moving to take that power back.”

    http://www.yesmagazine.org/new-economy/the-growing-movement-for-publicly-owned-banks

  • Anon June 10, 2011, 12:23 pm

    The German Economy Under Hitler ~ Eliminating the International Bankers

    “The terms of the Versailles Treaty and various other trade restriction impositions had put Germany at a trading disadvantage. Hitler’s Germany however turned the tables by adopting a system of trade-barter. In this way he effectively eliminated the international financiers and fixers, corroding their influence and giving Germany the trading advantages. The German system was so obviously superior that this unfortunately made war even more inevitable.”

    http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/w…history/5.html

  • Anon June 10, 2011, 12:07 pm

    The Secret of Oz (Full Movie)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swkq2E8mswI

    Catherine Austin Fitts – The Looting of America 1/4
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9dGHuRExiM

    The Federal Reserve Cartel: The Eight Families (Or, Big Banks OWN Oil Companies. Do they own Weapons Manufacturing companies, too? Who makes money in War?)
    http://www.infowars.com/the-federal-reserve-cartel-the-eight-families/

    The Global Debt Crisis: How We Got in It and How to Get Out (Or, the Central Bankers and the District of Corruption are waging war against humanity…)
    Monday 6 June 2011
    by: Ellen Brown, Truthout
    http://truthout.org/global-debt-crisis-how-we-got-it-and-how-get-out/1307386310

  • Anonymous June 10, 2011, 11:52 am

    The problem I have with Ron Paul’s return to ‘honest money’ means a return to a ‘gold-standard’ – who owns all the gold? THE SAME PEOPLE WHO NOW OWN AND CONTROL THE FEDERAL RESERVE THAT RON PAUL IS SAYING HE WILL ‘END’. So, we ‘end the fed’. Then what? If we go on to a ‘gold-standard’ – the same foreign central bankers will control any new, gold-backed currency, BECAUSE THEY OWN ALL THE GOLD !!! And, some oil companies, too:

    Federal Reserve Cartel: Freemasons and House of Rothschild
    http://www.kevingilmour.net/2011/06/federal-reserve-cartel-freemasons-and-house-of-rothschild/

    The Federal Reserve Cartel: The Eight Families
    http://www.infowars.com/the-federal-reserve-cartel-the-eight-families/

  • Anonymous June 10, 2011, 11:45 am

    No need for a gold standard. All Americans need, is to END THE FED, which is a foreign-owned, privately-owned, central bank, and issue American currency and coinage from an American Central Bank, through the US Treasury. Get the FOREIGNERS OUT of the U.S. banking system! END THE ‘FED’!

    The Secret of Oz
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swkq2E8mswI

  • Rich June 9, 2011, 10:25 pm

    Corporate monopoly government may not be the cause of ALL ILLS, just many of them.

    Certainly people eating to much fat, sugar and GMO food without exercise and buying zero down Adjustable rate mortgages and voting for puppets reap what they sow.
    Looks at the revolving door for the elite between foundations, multinationals, Government Czarships and Regulatory Chairs with examples ought to wake up most one word one world thinkers:

    All the tax-exempt Foundations that fronted for US Corporate Espionage, destroyed American values, invented GMO and anti-fertility vaccinations, exported prosperity and installed puppet Presidents for the Bilderbergs, a private club founded by a Nazi SS member for the few that run the world, currently meeting in St Moritz in great secrecy with Heads of State to tell them what to do in violation of the Logan Act

    Ben Bernanke and Alan Greenspan, who as Fed Chairs blowing up ballons, both insisted everything was fine and they never saw the crashes coming, while working with/for Wall Street against jobs and the Amerifcan standard of living with the inflation tax, while claiming 11% defacto 1980-methodology CPI and 28% de facto unemployment not a problem,

    Cheney, Ford White House Chief of Staff, HW Secretary of Defense, HAL boss with no-bid war contracts, moved HAL HQ to Dubai out of reach of US laws, W VP with HAL stock options benefiting from uncompetitve shoddy war profiteering and the BP Gulf oil mess

    Chertoff, DHS Czar who went to work for the scanner company that then sold Microwave Cancer Causing Scanners to TSA, while Big Sis mandated their use or felonious molestations

    Congress that bloated government crony capitalism to deficit spending debt Ponzi pyramid, creating $106 T of unfunded government liability mandates that can never be repaid, while ignoring foreign emoluments and immoral unconsitutional behaviours in their chamber pots

    TurboTax Geithner, whose father worked at Ford Foundation in Indonesia with Obama’s mother, who signed an agreement with IMF to pay his taxes with the monies they advanced for that purpose, and did not, until the background check for his Treasury Secretary position that oversees the IRS found out, who as NYC Fed Head, repaid AIG to repay GS Credit Default Obligations at face value instead of far lower market value, and still insists to the Red Chinese that the Dollar and Treasuries are as sound as the US Economy, good as gold

    Wendy Gramm, CFTC Chair, who, while her husband dismantled Glass Stegall Commerical/Investment Bank wall for protection, repeatedly killed CFTC attempts to require $600 T Bank Derivatives regulation or transparent mark to market clearing to avoid destroying the market economy

    Paulson, Assistant Defense Secretary Staff, Nixon Ehrlichman aide, GS Chair who with Gramm Leach Bliley Clinton dismantled Glass Steagall, then sold $480 M GS stock as Treasury Secretary without paying taxes, giving $100 M to tax exempt wildlife Funds, assuring everyone the economy was sound right up to the crash, then promising to bail out homeowners but giving the $700 B taxpayer funds to Banks including GS instead

    Rumsfeld, Defense Secty under Ford and W, Pres of GD Searle/Monsanto, got Aspartame by FDA to market despite negative primate tests, then got Defense Complex to buy Tamiflu from Gilead, where he was Chair

    There are so many more rogues on Wall Street and in the District of Criminals…

    • Rich June 9, 2011, 10:33 pm

      Oh, Robert Rubin, GS Chair eho took the other side of Soros’ S&P short on Tueday 20 October 1987 knowing the NYSE would reopen, Treasury Secretary, Citicorp Director, midwife to the big bad bank derivatives and Hedge Fund debacles

      Big Boy Larry Summers, related to two Nobel Laureates, Hedge Fund Consultant, Treasury Secretary, Harvard President, Economic Adviser to the President, who lost debt derivative money at Harvard, guaranteed unemployment below 8%, blah blah blah

      Just read their wiki biographies for all the blatant conflicts and misdeeds that land the little people in jail but go without headlines by monopoly media and unpunished by unConstitutional Courts.

      Kagan was an Obama Legal Adviser like Harriett Myers to W, and Sotomayor kept Martin Armstrong rotting in jail and prison without a trial…

    • Rich June 9, 2011, 10:36 pm

      And Big Girl Christine Romers who went back to U-C Berkeley with her tail between her legs, and Austan Gollsbee who just announced he’s running back to academia at U-Chicago where he met o.

      Three and counting, with no budget passed and a number of Presidential appointments unconfirmed by the Senate.

      Interesting times all right…

      Tough Presidency for economic advisers

  • Jill June 9, 2011, 5:16 am

    Marx was also wrong about the government being the solution to all ills. Just like libertarians are wrong about the government being the cause of all ills.

  • Jill June 9, 2011, 4:30 am

    Agree completely, Gary. Marx was wrong about religion. Political ideology is the opiate of the people.

  • gary leibowitz June 9, 2011, 4:01 am

    Definition of a libertarian party: Select well meaning group of people that blame government intrusiveness as the cause of all ills. Disillusioned individuals that pound the pavement when the world goes amok and ironically endorse the very same philosophy that created the implosion we are witnessing.

    All the safeguards that went into place right after the Great Depression have been dismantled. Greed and free enterprise are now synonymous. The religious slant reads like this: Do unto others and acquire material wealth for god will reward the rich. In fact all you have to do is turn on any Evangelic TV or radio stations and hear how you will be blessed with riches if you follow their path. Of course their path requires a small donation but it surely is a small price to pay for the godly rewards to follow.

    Every single economic calamity was a result of lax or non-existent safeguards? Blame the housing mess on individuals that should have known better along with the victims of Madoff. Allow “free enterprise” to reward the most clever and ruthless among us. Governments fail due to corruption, not good intentions gone wrong and certainly not too harsh restrictions. Power, money, and control become stronger to the select few only when governments are at the height of free enterprise. The balance only comes back when laws are enacted and governments develop a conscience.

    The 10 trillion give-a-ways when the government coffers were at their fullest. The culmination of the last half century’s government policy to look the other way when it came to such entities as banks, insurance companies, brokerage firms, and media moguls.

    If you want proof to my claim then name me one law or restriction that would prevent another internet bubble, housing bubble, Ponzi scheme. Name me one law or restriction that was passed after the multiple disasters that change the way we do business. Why do corporations and the elite top individuals reap huge rewards at the very moment the masses are being torn apart? Do you really think it’s because of too many restrictions on our way of life?

    Libertarians have a displaced sense of anger. It’s analogous to allowing wolves to guard the hen house and complaining that the fence was defective in protecting their live stock.

    In the end this will be a moot discussion since equilibrium always follows. The huge disparity between the classes will reverse, as long as we have a free voting system.

    • fallingman June 9, 2011, 8:46 am

      Lord have mercy… are you equating the fascism that obtains today with “free enterprise?” Do you actually think libertarians are in charge? Ha. That’s a good one. You’ve drunk the koolaid. Rigged enterprise by the corporatist Powerz is more like it. They restrict the hell out of everyone but themselves, because they can get away with it, because they run the show. It’s a sweet deal.

      They highjacked your precious government and made it do very bad things, gaining unfair advantage and doing the things they did courtesy of government creations such as the Federal Reserve, Fannie and Freddie, etc. These are not free market institutions.

      Place the blame where it belongs, on people who were stupid enough to believe that the government is benign … that it’s there to protect them or is even capable of doing so. It’s there to protect the insiders who control it and always has been.

      Any attempt to clean up government and pass laws to make the big boys behave would really be asking the fox to surrender control of the henhouse. Ain’t gonna happen. They’ll let you squawk all you want and agitate for responsible government. They’ll let you vote and protest and everything. And it won’t amount to squat. A free voting system. Equilibrium. Ha. Dream on. They’re using you.

    • redwilldanaher June 9, 2011, 8:49 pm

      “Every single economic calamity was a result of lax or non-existent safeguards? Blame the housing mess on individuals that should have known better along with the victims of Madoff. Allow “free enterprise” to reward the most clever and ruthless among us. Governments fail due to corruption, not good intentions gone wrong and certainly not too harsh restrictions. Power, money, and control become stronger to the select few only when governments are at the height of free enterprise. The balance only comes back when laws are enacted and governments develop a conscience. ” – WHERE TO BEGIN??????? I guess complementing fallingman for a great response isn’t a bad place to start. Gary, I can’t determine if you are serious. This seems to be intentionally inflammatory as I read it. I have a few questions for you as you seemingly support government. 1. Where did their laws leave us? 2. What aside from Porn were the regulators focused on despite having their lazy noses rubbed into Wall St.’s urine stains by tipsters? 3. Why didn’t the existing encyclopedias of regulations and laws protect us? 4. When have they ever protected us? 5. How can you not see that the restrictions hobble regular law-abiding people while they don’t apply and only benefit those in government? 6. Do you really distinguish between government and the Oligarchy? 7. How many more thousands of years of miserably corrupt failure by every government imaginable before you realize that government is a farce? 8. Do you realize that you’re willfully submitting to repeated rape by them simply by steadfastly buying into the central government con? 9. Laws and Conscience? You still hold out hope for Laws and conscience? 10. Do you really believe that free enterprise should be a part of our discussion of these times? To be frank Gary, I’ve always read your comments as if they were likely being written by a die-hard statist. “likely” is now superfluous after reading these comments. Here’s a hint Gary, the restrictions only hurt us and only help them. Keep wishing for more to your own peril. Equilibrium works in theory but when an invisible black hand exists, as it most certainly does, I’d respectfully suggest that you adopt a slightly more skeptical viewpoint as your default starting position.

    • fallingman June 9, 2011, 10:54 pm

      YEAH…what he said!

      Thanks RWD.

  • Rich June 8, 2011, 10:28 pm

    Aloha All
    It was my great pleasure and edification to literally sit at Murray’s feet several times on the San Francisco Peninsula courtesy of Burt Blumert and Ron Paul’s Camino Coin while running for Congress.
    Among other things, he was a Doctoral classmate of Alan Greenspan’s and watched his transformation from Ayn Rand Free Market Objectivist to Central Planning State Apologist who now wants to raise taxes like Wilson, Hoover and FDR.
    (We saw how that worked out during World War I, the Great Depression and World War II.)
    Re Sugar, an old timer told me when starting out fifty years ago, it usually rallied before wars to energize the troops.
    Re stocks, after six days down with no letup or capitulation, it appears we may be in for a drip drip drip declining market.
    My daughter is graduating from UCSD in Biology this weekend, and is a libertarian without realizing it. They are the vanguard to return prosperity after the deby default ponzi pyramid collapses…
    Cheers all*Rich

    • Rich June 9, 2011, 2:44 am

      Great essay of action with hope, Marilyn…

    • mario cavolo June 9, 2011, 10:54 am

      Here at Rich’s comment is my place to slide in and offer another thanks to Marilyn for a refreshing article of hope, yet like many others, I see too many blocks to be hopeful of real change before disaster.

      Now speaking of Rich’s line

      “They are the vanguard to return prosperity after the debt default ponzi pyramid collapses…”

      I’d like to address, based on very recent information, that the whole nightmare will not yet collapse for several more years until after Asia led by China shows the world a far larger economic bubble than currently exists.

      The idea that there is a current real estate bubble in China is so beyond laughable, and secondly, the stock markets here (Shanghai and HK) have done no better than spend the past 3 years building a base from which they will soon launch to the stratosphere, Japan and Taiwan 80’s style….

      Why oh why pray tell?..because the Chinese banks are at the end of their tightening rope. It is extremely unlikely they will tighten another notch as they simply can’t, yet they have hit a point of illiquidity in their lending, which is still needed domestically for growth, and especially facing the way the U.S. has responded to their refusal to significantly revalue the yen. Historically, we’ve seen this play before.

      I’ve never been more bullish on China than today, and every college libertarian should be aware of what’s happening, yet the growth of the next 3-5-10 years which will undoubtedly take place will once again burst as all historically previous.

      The point is that the coming asset rise of China will lead the U.S. asset market rise too (at continuing low interest rates, U.S. markets will not crash) and in fact lead continued global growth, and yes dear friends, contributing a great degree to saving the U.S.’s butt in the process. And so, unless something very nasty happens, we are likely several years away from a nasty black swan crash event.

      Let me reiterate more simply: In the case of slowdown in the coming six months (anyone here doubting that?) BOTH the U.S. and China govt’s will then reopen the liquidity pump floodgates in some fashion. The U.S. will do so by announcing a fresh version QE3 and China’s PBOC will do so by adjusting reserve ratios back down a few points, plus whatever other strategies they deem cute and fit at the time.

      By the way, China is now officially 50% urban. The urbanization is happening far quicker than expected, now with 200 millions migrant country folks registered in the urban cities. Think of the implications, glorious and frightening as this party is barely getting off the ground when compared historically to the development of the U.S. from the 50’s through to today.

      Our intelligent, libertarian college friends would be remiss to only look at the American view, rather than the global view including the rise of Asia led by China and its like it or not impact on world markets.

      Cheers, Mario

    • Steve June 9, 2011, 5:00 pm

      Mario, what about wages ? How will China and the World deal with the projected 30% wage increases for 5 years running in China? (just because it is projected, does not mean it is real or will materialize, but; what if).

      Marilyn – Thanks for the article hope ! I hope the fire of Right Constitutional Thought spreads like, well; wildfire. I will not go to the unspoken dangers of ——-

    • mario cavolo June 9, 2011, 6:10 pm

      Hi Steve!

      I supposed my best answer is that the world will deal with China wage increases the same way any other now modern country such as the U.S. dealt with its wage increases. They are an integral part of the inflationary economic development of the country. In China’s case, so far anyway, instead of revaluing the yuan significantly, they have decided to allow domestic wage increases, price increases and reserve ratios at the banks, a policy path which has its own two sides to the coin.

      Meanwhile, what’s 1000rmb x 1000?

      1,000,000rmb. That’s 1 million rmb = USD $150,000

      So how does a Chinese company, domestic or multinational doesn’t matter, deal with giving 1000 factory level workers a raise from 2000rmb per month to 3000rmb per month which equals 1 million rmb?

      They send home one foreign expat who was on a typical 1,000,000 rmb expat salary benefit package.

      And that in fact is what they are doing. Companies in China are localizing management to cut costs. So they lose the million rmb expat and replace him with 3 less talented local Chinese managers who each earn 200,000rmb = 600,000rmb. Then they bring in a training/coaching company such as myself and spend 100,000rmb giving them leadership communication skills training so they can think and communicate better in the global marketplace including the high level meetings they have to attend back in the U.S. or Europe somewhere. The company is still 300,000rmb ahead in their budget.

      White collar employees who are earning several thousand rmb per month have no debts, low monthly budgets and boatloads of extra cash to offset moderate price inflation. So drops in export sector due to rising cost of Chinese good will be partially offset by substantial growth in the domestic economy. (Go to the IKEA here in Shanghai on the weekend to discover a new definition of the word crowded from doors open to closed. For the 800 million country farmers and lowest level city workers, its still a tough, basic life. That’s a reasonable macro description of what is happening here.

      Cheers, Mario

    • mario cavolo June 9, 2011, 6:21 pm

      Accept my apologies….way off topic. Mario

  • mangodance June 8, 2011, 9:35 pm

    Benjamin,

    You are talking about things that don’t exist. There is no such thing as “Intellectual Property” that is outside of someone’s mind.

    This is because “the property”, only has meaning in the environment of scarcity.

    There is no scarcity of ideas that were let go. I can copy your idea and you would still have it. This is not scarcity. Therefore, you can not limit my natural right to use anything I can utilize, in order to protect something that you are never at risk of losing!

    We do this with physical things, because we have to, because me taking scarce things deny you of your rightful possession.

    So, quit it. You sound like a subscriber to the church of business that liked it way too much to sell the same thing over and over and over, never running out of it, in exchange for the money that even under the control of our government are much, much more scarce than ideas, and so they invented this “intellectual property” thing. If you refer to history, there too, you would find that this same concept of “intellectual property” was invented to control the printing of books by the ruling elite, not to protect anyone’s rights.

  • mangodance June 8, 2011, 9:23 pm

    To all of you folks, who have been reading government propaganda on gold standard, this is not Rothbardians want. They want money that is whatever, fiat or gold, up to you, but that is never controlled by the government.

    The gold standard was a government preparation for introduction to fiat, a license to steal.

    What is best for freedom and worst for hated governments is what F.Beard is talking about. Government should be restricted to operating their own fiat worthless paper, useful for one thing only: to pay taxes, fees and dues to the government that issued it. So, as much as they inflate it, that is how much their payments will be devalued. Their money will only be accepted by those who expect tax obligations, and only if they managed it better that the private exchange rate suggests.

    I would like to add to the argument that central planning is horrible idea. As it was said it is so because no central planner can ever know the right thing to do.

    But to me, it is that even if the central planner did know, they still never had and never will have the right to force me into anything that is good for me. They simply lack that right. So, it doesn’t even matter if they are capable of offering the solutions, – I don’t want them. Don’t care what they think about anything. Never cared for their opinion in the first place.

    I view governments only as my workers, they must do what I paid them to do, and shut up about things I never asked them to care for. If it was up to me they would be the worst paid class, having the least of any protections. They would be what they truly are, – the cheap, replaceable drones.

  • SB June 8, 2011, 8:22 pm

    Another reason why I would support like-minded individuals that believe in the fallacy of a larger and larger Federal Govt.
    http://centralstockton.news10.net/news/community/dept-education-breaks-down-stockton-mans-door/72578
    Stockton SWAT team breaks into man’s house because of his wife’s defaulted student loans…warrant by the Dept. of Education???

    • redwilldanaher June 8, 2011, 9:31 pm

      Yes SB, but remember, we’re just a bunch of “kooks”, alarmists and conspiracy theorists when we’re concerned with the encroaching police state.

  • Carol June 8, 2011, 6:49 pm

    Great article, but I believe all hope is lost for the youth as well as for the rest of us.

    The more I study, read, and understand the more I realize that what we are now experiencing is not new and has been done to civilizations over and over and over again all throughout recorded history. As Alex Jones says “its a prison planet” and it always has been and unfortunately I believe always will be.

    Can anyone here (or anywhere) point to a time where mankind was truly free? I mean for more than one small geographic area during one small period of time? No I didn’t think so.

    • Steve June 9, 2011, 4:30 pm

      Carol, Freedom exists in the heart, not the head or flesh.

  • SB June 8, 2011, 6:14 pm

    Thanks Marilyn for the article. It is refreshing to hear that the younger folks, especially those currently in college and university, are seeing the fallacy of bigger and bigger government, and the consequences of a centrally planned economy. It is disgusting to watch market professionals sitting on pins and needles for the “great” Bernanke to come out and tell us the state of the economy. Can’t blame them, as his babbling tends to move markets, but it shows the idiocy of our current state of affairs.

    As far as those who don’t like the idea of using gold as money, do you believe the current monetary system is sustainable? Yes, I understand the difference between a gold standard and the voluntary use of gold as money. BTW, not sure Ron Paul is a die hard gold standard guy, as I have heard him speaking about changing legislation to allow competing currencies.

    • fallingman June 8, 2011, 8:27 pm

      Ron Paul is in favor of freely competing currencies. He has introduced legislation to allow competing currencies to circulate. He has recently said the government should sell the gold they hold. (Get it out of the hands of the thieves and back into the hands of the people.) It’s the ultimate legislative longshot, but at least he’s trying…and yet, so many people who purport to value freedom snipe at him. It’s unseemly.

      Carol…below…is probably right. The tiny freedom movement…the “remnant” will more than likley chew itself to bits with silly philosophical divisions while Rome burns to a cinder.

    • F. Beard June 9, 2011, 9:41 pm

      Ron Paul is in favor of freely competing currencies. fallingman

      Not quite. RP’s idea of competing currencies ALL involve precious metals. Some choice! PM’s, being non-performing assets, require either usury (lending at interest) or hoarding to generate a return. Both are problematic.

  • DG June 8, 2011, 6:07 pm

    I find it bizarre that there are folks who still cling to the notion that somehow government control of fiat money will result in good outcomes. Each of my grade school kids owes over half a million dollars for decisions they never were even alive to make due to a corrupt political system between money creaters (the Fed), gift givers/ponzi architects(politicians), and gamers (corporations and their lobbyists).
    How anyone can defend this outright stealing is bizarre.
    If someone has a better idea for monetary policy, other than sound money, I am all ears. It seems anyone with a shred of real science (not the dismal kind) intellect can see the problems with giving bankers control of the money supply. Isn’t the hypothesis well tested and an obvious failure? Results: Massive public debts and transfer of wealth to the three named participants above. Shocking. Corruption funnels money to those that are corrupt.

    I see these posts stating how horrible hard money is, but I am wondering what is their suggested alternative?
    Also, anyone who thinks that we just need to stay the course and follow the constitution is sleeping in class. We have not had a constitutional government for a very long time. To politicians it is just a “GD piece of paper.” And they take an oath to it! (Thanks, W! I hope you will get tested on the “so help me God part”)
    I think I am pretty familiar with Ron Paul, and all I can see or hear from him is the constitution. Sounds good to me. What am I missing?

    • F. Beard June 9, 2011, 4:49 am

      I see these posts stating how horrible hard money is, but I am wondering what is their suggested alternative? DG

      Separate government and private money supplies is the libertarian solution. Then you could use gold, silver or whatever for private debts. But for government debts, taxes and fees, you should render to Caesar Caesar’s money which should be cheap fiat.

  • David Howard June 8, 2011, 5:45 pm

    Here’s another thought I want to pass on. Murray Rothbard told me that a nation is like the Titanic. When you begin to turn the helm hard over, it takes a long time to turn the ship, even miles for a big one like the T-Rex. At first you don’t feel, or notice anything. Then, so slowly the ship begins to respond to the rudder of ideas, you begin to drift off the compass bearing and slowly swing to starboard. Then everyone can feel it, and see it, and you hear leftacrats asking, “say, my dear fellow, what’s that big white thing up ahead.” And so it shall come to pass that the leftacrats will crash and sink.

  • roger erickson June 8, 2011, 5:39 pm

    sheer madness – takes many forms
    and not just on this front

    http://chuckspinney.blogspot.com/2011/06/afghan-sitrep-grunt-from-front-soun
    ds.html

    bringing us back to the question of how to coordinate, to scale up what currently isn’t scaling

    hint: magically simplistic solutions like “going back to a restricted money supply” isn’t going to help much

    we need people who can think, not just insist on pretending, grasping at fixed ideologies

    Reading any economics texts can’t hurt, too much, but if one flavor is all you ever read, you’re still part of the problem. No one has answers, that’s why the hell we have group intelligence in the first place. If you’re not going to read & integrate them all, then don’t even bother with any arbitrary subset.

  • David Howard June 8, 2011, 5:35 pm

    Thank you, Rick, for running this piece, and you, too, Marilyn. Had never heard of YAL. Ah, Rothbard. Bought several of his books years ago, including the epic you mention. Murray was still alive then and kicking. He was so New York, he killed me. Bought Human Action when I was a senior in high school. Had a chance to chat with Rothbard one night. He was a speaker at a function and my wife and I were privileged to be able to sit next to him at his table for dinner. He reminded me of Santa Claus, well rounded and such a jovial, happy spirit. He loved people and life. And he left us all such a treasure. Drink deep and savor.

  • redwilldanaher June 8, 2011, 4:54 pm

    Hi Marilyn, although I find it increasingly difficult, I’ve not yet abandoned all hope. I hope that what you’ve seen, in some way, brings positive change. I spent a good deal of time reading many of the same authors and other philosophers and in theory at least subscribe to similar points of view. I guess what most “solutions” come down to for me is this: They’re all effectively frontal assaults fought on their home field in front of their crowd with their officiating crew with their instant replay booth and equipment etc. That’s why I strongly believe the only way to win is to not play their game and YES, to actually take OUR ball and go home much like the English and other settlers did. Exactly what we’ve been conditioned not to do in these wonderful times. Here’s a recent anecdote that I think relates to PC Roberts’ frustration. A few months back, I lent a hand, along with my son, to a great guy named Tom Utley that heads up the Third Palmetto Republic effort and website. We attended the Charleston, SC Gun Show looking for support for our efforts to establish the Third Palmetto Republic. I offer no other descriptions as these should be sufficient if properly and contextually understood. That was the last thing that we’ve been able to do. Tom seemed to reach the PC Roberts point of futility that day. I can only empathize as he put in much more time and effort for the cause than I’ve been able to muster. The bottom line is that if apathy STILL reigns at THE Gun Show in CHARLESTON, SOUTH CAROLINA in 2011, we have an Olympus Mons sized mountain of work to do just to get a team on the field. I still hope that the tide can be turned but I know that what is likely to do it, should it happen, will remain a mystery to me.

  • Brad Lewis June 8, 2011, 4:53 pm

    If you think fiat money is phony and we’d be better off with a gold standard, you might want to check what actually happened when the (developed) world was on a gold standard between the 1870s and 1914. A long-run deflation was followed by a bout of inflation: if you fix your money to a commodity, you aren’t fixing the actual purchasing power. Think deflation would be great? Most farmers and small businessmen, who borrowed money for their businesses and had to pay back more in real terms, didn’t. For a description of the problems with thinking money has to be anchored to something tangible like gold, check out Milton Friedman’s book Money Mischief. Ron Paul and other gold standard advocates do not seem to understand that fixing currencies to gold does not mean fixing their purchasing power. And the gold standard historically thrived under strong governments (like Great Britain in its days of empire) rather than weak ones; it’s an illusion to think that a gold standard is characteristic of a market solution that doesn’t depend on governments. In fact, it requires governments to run their policies for the purpose of holding the fixed rate between gold and the dollar rather than anything else–like, for instance, keeping prices of the rest of what we buy stable.

    • Boetie June 8, 2011, 6:41 pm

      Similarly, price deflation is killing homeowners that borrowed more than the actual market value of their homes. I have thought about the effects of borrowing money while all prices are falling at different rates, because capitalism is naturally deflationary. I will have to think about this. But I am strongly against government/central control of money, period, and price stability, from a borrowing/lending standpoint does seem to be an issue.

    • Boetie June 8, 2011, 6:45 pm

      Here is something interesting:

      “If the opinion that the prices of all commodities will drop becomes general, the short-term market rate of interest is lowered by the amount of the negative price premium. Thus the entrepreneur employing borrowed funds is secured against the consequences of such a drop in prices to the same extent to which, under conditions of rising prices, the lender is secured through the price premium against the consequences of falling purchasing power.

      “A secular tendency toward a rise in the monetary unit’s purchasing power would require rules of thumb on the part of businessmen and investors other than those developed under the secular tendency toward a fall in its purchasing power. But it would certainly not influence substantially the course of economic affairs.”

    • Boetie June 8, 2011, 6:53 pm

      This is an interesting discussion:
      http://mises.org/Community/forums/t/2517.aspx
      Of course, this comes from a gold-loving liberty website, so few of these people would probably consider central control of money/credit.
      Anyway, back to work.

  • Anonymous June 8, 2011, 4:32 pm

    Obama is all the proof, that anyone needs, that the Democrats and main-party-line (status quo) Republicans are two sides of the SAME COIN…

    2012 is Ron Paul’s last, and best chance. God, I hope Americans don’t sleep through another election!

    END THE FED!

  • roger erickson June 8, 2011, 4:26 pm

    ps: These groups can morph to adaptive groups, or degrade to some flavor of facism. It’s a rite of passage, and we adults have to guide the young to be very careful to discern & select adaptive & scalable methods, rather than simplistic, non-scalable ideologies. A group intelligence is a terrible thing to waste – but simplistic views on Libertarianism manages to do so.

    • Marilyn June 8, 2011, 7:51 pm

      Roger – I taught college communications courses for two decades and am well aware of the simplistic attitude to which you refer. I see something very different with this tide of young people. When you challenge them, they have answers – well-reasoned and well-researched answers. I “retired” because I was so appalled at how ill-prepared my students were for college – and felt powerless to correct the issue. These kids have real fears – not just over-zealous desires to piss off their parents.

  • Anonymous June 8, 2011, 4:22 pm

    I say, let’s put Ron Paul in the White House! Let’s show the %$&^(* Central Bankers that Americans have HAD IT! with their BULL-S%$& !!!

  • Anonymous June 8, 2011, 4:19 pm

    This article makes me feel bad, that I didn’t contribute to Ron Paul’s recent fund-drive, of June 5th, I believe. I’ve always bought into the MSM (main-stream media) propaganda, that Ron Paul doesn’t have a chance in 2012, or that voting for him, just takes votes away from another candidate (…LIKE IT REALLY MATTERS, whether some other Republican or Democrat wins!!!) If Obama could win, only to show that, as President, he’s comparable to the worst-ever of the U.S. Presidents (- can you say Calvin Coolidge, or G.Dubya Bush?) – then, certainly, a man of outstanding reputation, born in the U.S., like Ron Paul, can win… Unless Americans are all brain-dead. Which is possible.

  • roger erickson June 8, 2011, 4:13 pm

    Sounds like classic youthful exuberance everywhere. The first thing new learners want to do is take complex things apart and then try to make them work they think they should from their personal point of view.

    The results start out comically – e.g., taking watches, bikes, cars apart, never to run again – but range to the horrifying: e.g, fascists, communists, Pol Pot, etc, etc.

    This entire field of superficial thinking, including almost all of Libertarianism, is called the “Fallacy of Composition.”
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_composition

    The typical explanation is this: If you stand up at a sports stadium, you’ll get a better view. Therefore, per Libertarianism, if everyone stands up, the view of all will improve! [another lesson that you just have to let the slow witted learn in their own time, while trying to survive their learning curve]

    Reality is that a very tiny part of any ideology scales. Complex societies are of mind boggling complexity, and take a little bit, constantly reshaped, from all ideologies.

    An “ism” is always, by definition, a tangent to an unpredictable adaptation path, simply because it presumes to know simple, reliable truths. Reality is that we have zero predictive power.

    That’s why all kids start out messing their diapers, progress to wanting to change the world & make everything simpler, and end up as grandparents pondering how to hell to tune education systems in order to scale up adaptation instead of dead-end ideology.

  • John June 8, 2011, 3:52 pm

    Brings back memories from long ago when I was a Libertarian for six months…while rejecting my Christian faith in a loving Creator and ignorantly put my faith in a lesser value/god – the free market…with its triune god: freedom, efficiency and the holy growth. We all make mistakes. I hope all of “your” Libertarian episodes (brain farts) are short too.

    • DG June 8, 2011, 10:22 pm

      John
      Ironic that faith and the love of human liberty are so intertwined. Without liberty there is no faith. Try being a Christian, or any religion, in a land without basic individual liberty.
      I didn’t see it anywhere on the Libertarian membership application that one must become a Godless free marketeer. (joke)
      BTW, there are no free markets existing today, so it is impossible for anyone to behave as a free market participant. Impossible.
      One of us is missing something.

  • John Jay June 8, 2011, 2:26 pm

    Refreshing optimism from Marilyn in her article.
    It is nice to know there are young people taking an interest in the political process. However, the same thing happened on a much more massive scale in the 60’s over the Vietnem war. Most of us remember the ongoing huge anti-war marches right up until the end of that war.
    And it took years of that to turn the tide against that war.
    Plus the MSM was anti-war back then, and very vocal about it. I remember Look or Life running about 350 photos of young soldiers KIA, which was for a high casualty week I remember. The My Lai massacre helped stop the insanity too. That kind of coverage does not exist today by the MSM, only cheerleading for the MIC.
    It would take three or four million young people to show up in DC on a regular basis to put a scare in TPTB.
    I like Ron Paul, but he needs to spend some of the money he raises to get his message out, because the MSM ignores him. And I won’t even go into the National Debt problem which is terminal. That is the trump card in this whole mess. The only easy solution is to let the Fed continue to buy up all the Treasury paper, and when they hold it all, tell the FR member banks to drop dead. Anyway, I will continue to hope for the best, and expect the worse.
    Sorry Marilyn.

  • Boetie June 8, 2011, 2:21 pm

    Rothbard was a giant.

    • fallingman June 8, 2011, 5:35 pm

      Thank you Boetie.

      Murray was a giant and a genius…and funny as hell.

  • Michael Lewinski June 8, 2011, 2:18 pm

    My involvement in the Tea Party movement over the last couple years has brought me into contact with these amazing young people. Marilyn is right. We need to help and support this youthful breath of fresh air.

    Someone needs to remind Benjamin that the Constitution was the product of Libetarians.

    • Benjamin June 8, 2011, 5:06 pm

      “Someone needs to remind Benjamin that the Constitution was the product of Libetarians.”

      Oh, I never did doubt that, Mike. I only pointed out that the little-L libertarians are on the wrong side of things. And that we should not abandon our country to the point of finality to opportunistic miscreants that have little to no grasp of the Liberty they claim to defend.

  • Erin June 8, 2011, 1:59 pm

    Ron Paul is helping young people understand that central planning is always a failure. No one entity knows what is right for the country or you and me as individuals.

    This has been going on for awhile now and the numbers of supporters for Ron Paul continue to grow because the destruction from the money printing is really starting to take hold.

    We need to be a free society…Not possible with the banksters running the country. I am and have been a huge supporter of Ron Paul for a very long time. The problem is that people who keep getting handouts from the government (welfare in all forms) don’t want a free society where they might actually have to fend for themselves. He will get no votes from people who will be cutoff from their handouts. The whole political thing is really sick…Politicians continue to hand out money to needy people and there goes another possible vote for the good guys. The people needing help just continues to grow every day. Tough to get that vote when it means they can’t feed their family anymore if they vote for Ron Paul. The whole thing just sucks!

  • bob June 8, 2011, 1:27 pm

    This is the most encouraging article that I have read all year.

  • kwg1947 June 8, 2011, 1:06 pm

    Great piece Marilyn. Thanks for sharing Rick. Maybe you could post a college campus listing of where the chaptrs are so us older folks could possibly help!

    • fallingman June 8, 2011, 5:31 pm

      YES! Thank you Marilyn. Well done. It’s exciting to see a discussion of young people and liberty.

      And I have to second Bob below, it’s nice to read an encouraging article.

  • kwg1947 June 8, 2011, 1:03 pm

    @Benjamin. All of the issues you present are not homogenously agreed to by all libertarians. There is always active debate going on and many who take issue with each other. Let us take a look and ask this question how have both parties done for us since the late 1890’s? First the Progressive Era, then the Era of the Federal Reserve and the melding of those precepts into both parties platforms! I for one would welcome a President of the libertarian bent (Paul) being able to veto the most egregious legislation and force the congress to override, rather than what we have now which is just a trading of places from a Progressive on steriods (Obama) to one that would have een just gung ho a little, McCain, Romney, Huckabee etc. No, I would like to see more actions like those of the Paul’s to shake up this congress and make them do their jobs, become active in eliminating whole government departments in deference to States rights and the peoples sovereignty. Just so you know, I started reading the same stuff Marilyn Ackerman has been reading 4 years ago as well. It makes far more logical sense than what has been heard from either party since at least 1913.

    • Benjamin June 8, 2011, 4:40 pm

      kwg1947,

      “All of the issues you present are not homogenously agreed to by all libertarians.”

      lol… Yes. I know. Which is why they better find the intellectual honesty within themselves by which they can solidify into a force to be reckoned with. If not, then they’ll prove to be homogenously like the others we have come to know and loath so much.

      And contrary to the often played “well, there are flavors of freedom…” card, there is no such impediment on the issues. Immutable law is what it is.

      Anyway, after reading your post and considering your points, I have decided it proper to cut ol’ Rothbard some slack, at least. He is, after all, quite dead and therefore incapable of correcting his philosophy 🙂

      But not Ron Paul. While much good can be said of the Austrian school in some regards, it is not our Constitution and it will never be an improvement over it nor even serve as a good substitute when all hell breaks loose. The two are opposite on a number of key issues, and only one of them leads to Liberty.

      And which did Ron Paul swear to uphold, by the way?

      He and his supporters might want to consider that when he next suggests we Austrianize the country in some way, for to serve two masters is… akin to promoting Marxism, given the profound differences between the Constitution and the Austrian school.

      So I had to ask myself one thing (once I finally found it within myself to admit it). Would it be better to let Ron Paul put on a good show against the corrupt Congress and Federal Reserve, to provide us with yet more ineffective and quite boring “entertainment”, or finally call him out for what he is, so that people can start getting to the real bottom of things?

      The answer was simple. I am a U.S. citizen. The Constitution is the Supreme Law of the land. All else is trading one tryanny for another, but pretending otherwise. So ends my support for a divided Ron Paul.

    • redwilldanaher June 8, 2011, 5:01 pm

      “The answer was simple. I am a U.S. citizen. The Constitution is the Supreme Law of the land.” – No it isn’t. Fiat – rules this land.

  • F. Beard June 8, 2011, 12:53 pm

    Beware youthful libertarians! There is nothing libertarian about government recognition of gold as money. The libertarian solution to the money problem is genuine liberty in private money creation, not government privilege for someone’s favourite shiny metal(s).

    • fallingman June 8, 2011, 5:20 pm

      Maybe I’m missing something, but I believe most libertarians would agree with you on the official recognition of gold as money. Others are still progressing in their understanding. If some young people support a gold standard, I’d cut ’em some slack. They can’t be expected to have figured everything out. The salient point is that they’re looking in the right direction.

      Now that the subjects of money and freedom are on the table…finally…I’m guessing sharp minds such as your own will hold sway in the discussion. There should be no official government money.

    • F. Beard June 8, 2011, 8:51 pm

      There should be no official government money. fallingman

      Not quite. There should be official government money but it should ONLY be legal tender for government debts – taxes and fees – not private ones. And to avoid favouring any particular private money form, government money should be pure fiat.

      There are sound practical and ethical reasons for separate government and private money supplies as well as Scriptural support: Matthew 22:16-22.

    • fallingman June 8, 2011, 9:09 pm

      Works for me.

      I’m not sure I would call government fiat “money,” but that’s a different discussion for another day.

  • Avocado June 8, 2011, 12:48 pm

    Rick,

    Small world. My bookshop is in Charlottesville. Although not for much longer. We are trying to buy a house over the mountain in Staunton where I will operate out of. Online only.

    Andy

  • Benjamin June 8, 2011, 11:36 am

    It was not all that long ago that I shared your optimism, Mr. and Mrs. Ackerman. But that was before I put libertarianism under the microscope for a more in-depth analysis. The new “mainstream” espouses policies that would put the final touch of death on this country, if they had their way. The following three issues, in brief, are key highlights of how they would do this…

    1) Public Health Policy:

    Nobody ever expects that Spanish Inquisition, much less a cholera, typhoid, or TB outbreak from the consumption of unpasteurized milk or untreated water. Or an outbreak of measles, from rejecting the “statist” policy of forcing parents to poke their kids with needles so that they as well as others are protected against those liberty-invasive diseases.

    Trouble is, people have forgotten and thus are open to the kind ideological conditioning that radicals like Rothbardians and Marxists are only too earger to provide. And Ron Paul ought to know better, having been a medical doctor. But apparently in his fight against the Federal Reserve, he has become willing to throw our lives and liberties, indeed our rightful obligations to ourselves and each other, under the wheels of the anarchist tour bus.

    2) Patent Law:

    Often called a “protectionist relic of the past”, the abolishing of patents would actually protect and then promote the LEAST worthy governments and practices in the world…

    Governments which debase and enslave their people will always be able to outcompete a nation which embraces Liberty. Not only that, but without strict enforcement of patent law, they would get all the intellectual capital without themselves or their statist “entrepreneurs” having sunk so much as a dime into the R&D as Liberty-respecting peoples have.

    This is why Congress has the obligatory power over patents. Without that power, we cannot protect our domestic markets, capital, and investment from disruption and invasion by foreign powers. One may as well legalize piracy as to abolish patents. And indeed, with the flight of capital out of the nation, we lose our ability to defend our borders and waters vs the growing resources of the numerous and liberty-blind governments of the world.

    3) Immigration:

    Another “relic of the past”, regulation of immigration is frowned upon by many a libertarian. But…

    Aside from the potential to allow contagious disease into our borders, foreign people come from foreign places that have foreign ideas which are at odds with Constitutional law. For these reasons, the number of immigrants allowed in must be limited over time. Otherwise, it becomes easier for mobocracy to burn the Constitution.

    Today’s libertarian is expected by his peers to be an ineffectual dunderhead, as anything else, in their books, is “deadly intervention”. i.e. We do not have the right nor the obligation to do more than immediate self-defense because that would require _character_, to exert the ongoing and unflinching effort and vigilance needed to make this country great again, and to keep it that way afterwords!

    So, new arrivals beware: anarchists like Rothbard (who wasn’t even in the Revolution, let alone present in the conceiving and ratifying of the U.S. Constitution!) as well as many libertarians do not have your best interest at heart. Nor do they want you to have your best interests at heart for yourself. They want to abolish the Constitution to disempower you, every bit as much as the radical left and right does. They want to conduct a social experiment to see how their ill-conceived ideology would fare in practice.

    So instead of the many traitors and other hacks in academics and ideology, even if they are non-MSM, one should study and uphold the United States Constitution, as it is all we will ever need to remain genuinely free people.

    • fallingman June 8, 2011, 8:06 pm

      Let’s see. Ron Paul is an MD. And yet, he’s in favor of freedom of choice in medical care.

      Are you an MD or are you conversant at all with the literature in the field of immunology? I am, and your argument is BS.

      Yeah, I’m so afraid of those radical freedom types. We have to beware. They might take over and lead us to hell. Please. In the first place, they’re as marginalized as they can be. Second, the fear is not only unjustified, but silly. Third, we’re headed to hell NOW.

      I await your 15 paragraph, rambling, quasi-coherent, tedious, and tendentious reply. Don’t expect me to read it all the way through, though. I try to make it through your stuff, but I’m seldom able to.

    • DG June 8, 2011, 8:10 pm

      amen, fallingman. a freaking men

    • mangodance June 8, 2011, 9:03 pm

      Benjamin,

      Who am I to say that you shouldn’t worry about all those things?

      But can you please, worry about them on your own, or with those that you can freely associate, and extend to me the liberty to opt out of your communal plans, just as I am willing to extend to you the liberty to opt in?

    • Benjamin June 9, 2011, 2:00 am

      “Are you an MD or are you conversant at all with the literature in the field of immunology? I am, and your argument is BS.”

      I am conversant. You are not. I mean, you just come out and fling titles and accredation, and that’s it. Some conversation that is.

      So, which part is bullshit, big man? That there is such a thing as herd immunity, or that foodborne pathogens can, have, and do lead to outbreaks of a number of communicable diseases?

      “I await your 15 paragraph, rambling, quasi-coherent, tedious, and tendentious reply.”

      If I’m so incoherent, fallingman, then why the strong, ad hominem response out of you?

      I think you understood me just fine. Even so, I would’ve been more than happy to discuss this further, had you shown at least a shred of sincerity among your purely aggravated response to me.

      @mangodance June 8, 2011 at 9:03 pm

      “But can you please, worry about them on your own,”

      No. And that’s final.

      “or with those that you can freely associate, and extend to me the liberty to opt out of your communal plans, just as I am willing to extend to you the liberty to opt in?”

      If you want to live in a cesspool of communacable “liberties”, there is still a larger part of the world to your south, east, and west. Many people elsewhere live and die with it every day.

  • cosmo June 8, 2011, 7:39 am

    I guess if your graduating from Uni with loads of debt and slim job prospects, you would ask yourself how did we get here? The Austrians were correct, but the Keynesians ruled the day in ’08. It is like the tides; things don’t change fast but once it starts moving in the other direction, things can happen pretty fast.

    It is the youth that are already tuned into the next phase, be it economics, politics or spirituality because they can see more clearly what isn’t working around them today and have less dogma to eradicate, not to mention the massive load of govt debt that is heading for their lap.

    It will take numbers, for sure, but the tide is turning. Perhaps all hope is not lost after all…

    • redwilldanaher June 8, 2011, 4:12 pm

      “I guess if your graduating from Uni with loads of debt and slim job prospects, you would ask yourself how did we get here? The Austrians were correct, but the Keynesians ruled the day in ‘08. It is like the tides; things don’t change fast but once it starts moving in the other direction, things can happen pretty fast.” – The Keynesians always rule the day. Follow the money. Ther power puppets win, their puppeteers win, the friends of the puppeteers win and so on. The Austrian school would allow the people a fair chance to win. Can’t have that…

    • mangodance June 8, 2011, 5:12 pm

      Cosmo,

      You mentioned that the young “have less dogma to eradicate”, this is so true. I happen to notice something else about youth that gives me hope.

      In my view it is not so much the dogma, as is the punishment of sinners. It is all the weak people who did not have the guts to oppose the easily seen as evil regime of Keynes. It is all the very evil ones that supported it in order to make their living on the back of millions to be turned to slaves.

      These people all have positions, careers, established names, homes and reputation, – everything built on the idea of enslaving others and supporting the regime.

      All that needs to be destroyed, wiped out. No more bailouts of dumb, irresponsible and evil. Evil decisions must be punished by eventual ruination.

      This concerns not only those who are in power. What about millions of evil ones who dutifully paid into Social Security, hoping that the future generations would be similarly enslaved, to pay their retirement, in turn. As a punishment for not resisting the government, they should see their SS payments devalued by inflation down to nothing. We must pay them exact amount they hope to receive, but in that exact currency they chose as their religion – paper notes redeemable for nothing. Having sold their souls, they must now accept the consequences and pay the price.

      And here comes the beauty of the youth, – they have no problem removing these people, these old hags from power, from respected circles. This, I think, is where they draw the power.

  • Nukedel June 8, 2011, 7:28 am

    Great article Marilyn I had no idea there were was an organization such as Young Americans for Liberty. I have four children ages 16 to 21 including a 3 year-old grandson. I have been encouraging then to read Mises, Hayek and Rothbard. Will be e-mailing them the Young Americans for Liberty address right away. Thank You for the information.

    • fallingman June 8, 2011, 5:07 pm

      Just to add, YAL is run very competently by a young man named Jeff Frazee and his staff. I’ve been very impressed by their efforts and their dedication. And their university base is exploding in size.

      As someome who has run for Congress and State Treasurer as a Libertarian, and someone who is still a libertarian, I know how hard it is to build a base and gain any momentum. I gave up on electoral politics a while back. Redwill is right. it’s a completely rigged and phony game manipulated by the Powerz for the Powerz.

      That said, these kids are for real. And yeah, I see them as one of the true bright spots out there. I will support them and I wish them luck.

      If humankind is going to have any future, it has to be one without chains.

    • City Council June 9, 2011, 6:17 am

      Yes, trying to get a spot in Congress or as the Treasurer for a State is not going to have much success.

      You could get involved very locally. City council or water/sanitation board. They have tax/spend powers that you can influence!