Buffett Bets Big on a Bottom

Although we wish Warren Buffet well on his railroad bet, we think he may be premature. Buffett tendered a $100 offer Tuesday for the 77 percent of Burlington Northern Santa Fe that he doesn’t already own, paying a 30% premium over the most recent share price.  He was quoted as saying it was an “all-in wager on the economic future of the United States,” but we’d guess he still holds quite a bit of capital in reserve. That is notwithstanding the fact that his net worth has probably been bludgeoned as badly by deflation as any other billionaire’s. We assume this is so because 1) it is inconceivable to us that he was short the real estate market in 2007; and, 2) legendary bargain hunter that he is, we nonetheless doubt that he would have viewed gold as a “value investment” when it was bottoming below $300 some years ago. That kind of thinking does not exactly come naturally to the permabull. Nor would the Sage of Omaha likely have read Bob Prechter’s prescient “At the Crest of the Tidal Wave” to jolt his amazing brain into thinking so far out-of-the-box.  

Buffett

That said, we should make clear that we LOVE incurable optimists like Buffet, since absolutely nothing would get built if everyone were as certain as we are that the U.S. economy is quietly slipping into a Second Great Depression. What a grim world this would be if Prechter’s book had lingered near the top of the best-seller list for a few years. By now, sixty million Americans would be hunkering down in the rental units for which they had traded their homes, not spending a dime on frills and planning to cut back still more as we head into the holidays.  If Time magazine and CNBC headlined the same kind of stories we feature in our commentary each day, we probably would not have brought children into the world. (We did anyway, daringly conceiving our first-born during the 1990-91 recession that we thought was the beginning of the end.) 

Chrysler’s Scrap Value 

As for Buffett and the optimists, it’s going to be difficult for them to resist the seeming bargains that come along over the next few years. And that is exactly why debt deflation poses such an investment challenge. If you’ve become adept a scooping up bargains, there are going to be bargains such as no one has seen since the depths of the 1930s Depression. The trick will be to distinguish between discount prices, distressed prices and extremely distressed prices. The example we have used here before is the East Side co-op that changed hands for $15 million in boom times. The discount price, which is where we are now, is $10 million; the distressed price is $4-$6 million; and the extremely distressed price – where we think things are ultimately headed – is $250,000. You could overlay the same downward trajectory on a chart of Chrysler Motors. Fiat is in at the distressed price, having bought its stake from private equity investors who thought they were getting a steal.  But when Fiat is forced to unload the company a few years down the road – the buyer will be Chinese, of course – the price will be close to scrap value. 

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  • Paul November 10, 2009, 6:06 am

    “Like most ( including all of the comments above) DON’T get it and NEVER WILL!”–Socrates

    All the rest of us might as well drink the hemlock now, eh, Socrates?

  • Socrates November 9, 2009, 8:29 am

    Like most ( including all of the comments above) DON’T get it and NEVER WILL!

    Buffett is correct. There was more growth, higher wages and earnings for the workers in the 50’s and 60’s with higher taxes than in the boom 80’s/90’s and 2000’s. If only assets go up and not your wages, you need to borrow to live as evidenced by the ATM on the house and stock market leverage.

    There is no point having taxes at low rates such as 10% when you have NO JOB and when you do have a job you earn minimum wage which has not gone up in 30 years. Read and heed Ravi Batra on compensation, wages etc. He is great but not on TV. Wonder why?

    If your wages go up and you can save and assets and stock markte trickle along up you are much better off as inflation is low. WAge increase do not cause inflation….rampant money supply does. But then again, Wall Street can’t make any money nor the bankers unless they can screw you. And globalization has made paupers of the American working stiffs and they take it…letting the government/politicians/big business screw them. As Zappa said ” Bobby Brown.”

    Oh well, weak minded patriotic people can’t seem to get the game the government is playing with them from 9/11 to globalization to this fraudulent stock market crash.

    Buffett purchased the railroad for ONLY 1 REASON. You have to figure that out. Clue: Globalization works on only one factor.

    China and India will be basket cases….ride these markets up and short the hell out of them…they will NEVER take over America. False dawn in this garden of eden. Globalization like global warming is a big scam and will crash in due course.

    Gold is going to $640 in 2010!! All will crash you name it except USD in 2010.

    After the crash in 2010, will be the beginining of a boom in commodities and indices. So buy, buy, buy and forget the 99% naysayers. TSE index to 22-28,000, Dow to 24-28,000 and S&P 500 to 3,200-3,800 by 2016/19.

    Toronto real estate to double by 2014/15 from current prices and NY real estate to crash in 2010 and state bankrupct. This is signal to buy….as low in RE in 2010 test 2011 the up, up and away. US real estate great investment but patience is a virtue.

    Prechter for all his musings should have been a ” Billionaire” by now, but he is not…he does not even trade!!! Best call 1987…so did Tudor Jones. But Tudor Jones….became a billionaire trading not selling newsletters. Prechter did not…still selling subscriptions.

    Don’t listen to Roubini…one hit wonders; like Prechter, Garzarelli, Joe Coffman, Aden sisters on gold….on and on. These guys would be “BROKE” if not for subscriptions to their newsletters. And so many hundreds of thousands listen to these ‘folks.’

    They no nothing…but you think they do. Study your charts and time. Price will always follow.

    “Nothing is new under the sun.”

  • Steve Howe November 7, 2009, 3:05 am

    Counted, alongwith fellow railroad investor B. Gates, as two who firmly believe in the future of rail transport. The next question is when will legislators allow M&A to occur in the industry. Playing the patriot card would be one way to facilitate the process..still, the timing seems baaad pricewise.

  • gary leibowitz November 5, 2009, 11:57 pm

    Roger,

    I know the meaning of draconian. I also know that anyone else with that much money and power would consider his lifestyle severe. Sorry if you don’t agree.

    For instance living in the same home for over 30 years is severe given his wealth.
    Living with the same wife (dead now) for over 30 years is also sever given his free pick of women (lol).

    You want to use the word austere go ahead. BTW, using the Thesaurus with the word “AUSTERE” I come up with SEVERE(adj). Fancy that!

  • Robert November 5, 2009, 8:19 am

    Hi Rick,

    Thankyou for responding of my post. Mr. Bernanke and Mr. Obama ,IMO ,are on the same wave length. I am of the South. People down here voted for change!! And that change is not of another Depression , like the 1930’s!

  • ricecake November 5, 2009, 7:07 am

    Buffett’s plan is a well thought and executed. One stone hit 4 birds.

    1) 21st century going to be modern railroad era (check out Chinese Railroad developing trend.) Fast, cheap, and effective.

    2) Burlington transport agriculture products, US made goods, and natural recourses / commodities like coal etc direct from midwest to California port then export to China for the years and years to come.

    3) Getting rid of his large quantity of cash in dollar in the most noble manner

    4) He’s going to be the king of the complete US railroad transport industry from cargos or carts manufacture to the rail and everything goes with it.

    p.s. Since the Chinese and other foreigner holding so many US Treasuries., no need to worry can’t sell your Real Estate. When the worse comes to the worst, Although paper dollars are not backed by gold, they certainly can be backed by US lands and Real Estate. USA is a large country. Look, 100 years ago in China few ounces of Gold could buy some farm lands. Now few buckets of gold can’t buy a restroom in Beijing.

  • Robert November 5, 2009, 2:51 am

    Hi Rick,
    The deleveraging of the real estate boom is being done at the expenses of the U.S.dollar, via the Federal Reserve purchases of MBS(mortgage backed securities). IMO, this is long term inflationary, and the market tend’s to think in the future, rather than the present. Mr. Bernanke is a student of the 1930’s style depression and, IMO, he does not want it to happen on his watch. Today’s Fed comment to continue a 0%-.25% interest rate is IMO, is ant-deflationary also. In the international community the dollar carry trade is still on unless the U.S. unemployment rate falls below 8%(the rate when Mr. Obama took office).

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    Hi, Bob. As I keep repeating — about every third day or so — inflationists can wake me when we can all sell our homes for a quadrillion dollars. RA

  • Roger November 5, 2009, 12:16 am

    You did do a much better job in your presentation….

  • Roger November 4, 2009, 11:29 pm

    “BTW, Buffett is the real deal. His draconian lifestyle proves it. Bash the man all you like. ”

    I’d almost rather bash you. You did do a much better with your presentation with respect to grammar and paragraphing this time, but your continued misuse of the word draconian is stupefying. Let me help. The word draconian means unusually severe or cruel. I think it’s more than safe to say that Mr. Buffet’s quality of life is anything but unusually severe. In fact, I think it’s an absolute certainty that the day to day conditions of life for ‘The Sage” rarely veer close to unpleasant, let alone cruel. Were that not the case, he might be dead by now. You would do much better to claim that Mr. Buffet’s life is austere. That’s rubbish as well, though untold numbers of Kool-Aid drinkers such as yourself would like to engage in fantasies of the sort that involve Mr. Buffet eating T.V. dinners before a black and white T.V. and mowing his own lawn with something he purchased from The Sears catalog during the early days of the Eisenhower Administration. Dream on.

  • Rich November 4, 2009, 10:56 pm

    Speaking of mortgages and Wells:
    http://www.cnbc.com/id/33622884

  • Rich November 4, 2009, 10:50 pm

    Re Roger on WEB embracing 60% tax rates and death taxes:
    Beside tax-favored foundations or estate tax insurance, the joke is BRK pays WEB bills and benefits like “indefensible” Gulfstream NetJet travel with Arnold Schwarzenneger to meet Baron Jacob Rothschild at Waddeson Manor before he was elected. http://www.nogw.com/articles/rothchildmeeting.html
    Incidentally, billionaire JR is also in insurance:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._James%27s_Place
    BRK pays nowhere near 60% in taxes. WEB was one of the few to win a tax case against the IRS. A look at BRK SEC financials for the last three years finds BRK paid 2.7% taxes in 2206, 4% taxes in 2007 and had a tax CREDIT of 41% in 2008. WEB and BRK accomplish feats beyond the means of ordinary mortals by holding 85% corp tax excluded preferreds and buying tax credits from other corps:
    http://www.cnbc.com/id/33620547

  • Deon November 4, 2009, 10:01 pm

    Wow, we do have some pretty sharp people commenting on this topic. In these regards, I absolutely agree with “Chad Cleveringa 11.04.09 at 3:11 am” at the beginning of this comment section. I believe Rick missed the point on this article that Buffet sees the inflation train coming down the pipeline.

    The media will have you think that his purchase of Burlington Northern Rail Company is a vote of confidence on our current IMPORT-Based economy and other trivialities (i.e. efficient distribution of imported goods, saving on fuel costs, roads, national intrastate transportation FROM docking ports etc.). In actuality, I am of the opinion that this investment is a huge hedge against inflation which hinges on potential future US EXPORTS of commodities (in particular food goods) and NOT IMPORTS which the media is so hung up on. Our import consumer based economy might be on the verge of some readjustments.

    An opinion: first deflation then an inflationary depression.

  • Paul November 4, 2009, 9:23 pm

    Rick,

    Today’s “This Just In” story on Latvia is an inspiration–the reference to the 25% salary reduction.

    Since many of the contributors here believe that deflation / depression is the ultimate outcome [intersprinkled with a hyper-inflation after the Gov’t or Fed get frisky and adds those 000’s to our bank accounts], maybe the Fed and Gov’t should just get the whole thing overwith by declaring a reverse 100 for 1 split on everything in the country:

    Contracts (like mortgages).
    Salaries
    Pensions, Social Security
    Cash (finally get those bills size-appropriate like Euros)
    Treasuries
    Etc.

    Rick, you’ll see that West Side condo get to $20,000 alot quicker. Most professionals (if they still have a job) would be working for $1,000 to $2,000 per year, just like in the good ol’ days of the 1950s.

    Of course what I wrote, above, is very tongue-in-cheek.

    It is going to take years to get over this deleveraging. So many of the most powerful people and groups are trying to go back to the Future of 2006, before the ___ hit the fan. So much to be litigated and so much time to drag it all out.

  • Wyz November 4, 2009, 8:40 pm

    The comment I wished to add was made by Paul, RR are “green” bulk transportation. But is 1 of 2, the other being river barge. Of course RR can reach destinations lacking navigable river. This is a big play on “green” though few recognize that part of the deal.

  • bill November 4, 2009, 8:15 pm

    According to Alex Jones, Obama and Clinton were informed at a Bilderberger meeting in June 2008 as to who the next president was going to be. Wasn’t it May of 2008 when Bilderberger Buffett endorsed Obama? As Roger pointed out throwing some sugar at GE and GS was also good politics.
    As for “buying the bottom”, he knows full well we are many, many years from a bottom but what shape will the vaunted U.S. highway system be in by then? Mostly likely many parts will be unusable and hows a Guvvamint to transport supplies, troops and dissidents around? Rails are easy to fix and maintain.
    No matter how much we detest his morality he’s no fool.

  • Glenn Hermanson November 4, 2009, 6:55 pm

    I thought Buffet made a pretty good purchase of silver a few years ago? As for Pretcher, for me his most important chart is the DOWind normalized by GOLD price. We have alway viewed his prediction of gold in terms of the DOW30\Gold ratio which he has indicated will be around 1.0 at the bottom. How that ratio gets there is going to be anyone guess and will by default have an infinite number of possible paths, some easy to trade, some not so easy. For instance if the DOW hangs flat at 10000 while gold goes to 10,000 $oz my current portfolio will be worth nothing in real terms. A good rule of thumb going forward is stay awake.

  • ricecake November 4, 2009, 6:26 pm

    A guy like Buffet is not your averages. Otherwise he won’t be where he’s now. We shouldn’t use Bottom-of-the-well frog’s eyes to see him. Because all we see is the little piece of sky above our head and nothing beyond. that.

    Buffet knows much more than you all and he’s close to the most important policy makers of the world. I won’t criticize him for what he’s doing but only wonder the WHYS he does what he does. Obviously he’s many steps ahead of us all.

  • Jennifer Middleton November 4, 2009, 6:22 pm

    Buffet is thinking long term.

    1) Oil will go up. Rail is an efficient (relative to trucking) method of transport. Raw materials in / Exports out are best handled by Rail.

    15 years from now, the Chinese will flip over a cheap plastic toy, and it will say “Made in USA”. We have to restructure our economy to supply the Chinese.

  • gary leibowitz November 4, 2009, 5:02 pm

    I certainly got your goat on this one, didn’t I?

    Pardon my horrendous use of the English language. My syntax and spelling should have run thru a text editor before I presented my editorial. That being said I do believe the heart of the message was understood. Good thing these comments aren’t graded on grammar and disjointed paragraphs.

    As for the content of my diatribe, I stick by them. I have followed Buffett’s career and analytical skills for a very long time. Whenever the masses disagree with his decisions he becomes a huge target of ridicule. I do not consider him to be an optimistic person. He is a pragmatic one. Just because you have decided the world is coming to an end doesn’t make it so. If he was so optimistic why did he horde huge amounts of Berkshire Hathaway’s money in cash for years earning less than 2 percent, while the market spiked ever higher. Is that optimistic?

    All that being said I do not believe he is right this time around. Given his track record against mine or almost anyone else’s, I will say that the odds makers have made him a huge favorite.

    BTW, Buffett is the real deal. His draconian lifestyle proves it. Bash the man all you like. Twist his legacy and create hidden agendas. In the end he is just human with all its frailties, and also one that believes in giving back that which he received. Not idolizing the man as a saint, but one that most would love to emulate if they were in his shoes. Power and money usually gets built from a driven individual that considers caring and giving as a sentimental weakness. He has always maintained that he made his money thru a job that he loved and as a consequence of doing his job well made a lot of money. It wasn’t a means to an end.
    Your attitude strikes of meanness, as if all people should react like you, and anyone that doesn’t must have a selfish ulterior motive.

    But hey, I’m just an 8th grader still learning the ways of the world.

  • Rich November 4, 2009, 4:55 pm

    Aloha All
    Ayn Rand described the Virtue of Selfishness as Liberty.
    Re Chrysler’s scrap value, we have a vivid memory of a grandmother bringing her precious granddaughter around to see our Palo Alto home on Fulton Street in the 80s. She was telling her granddaughter when she grew up in the neighborhood, she thought Shirley Temple lived there and would come out to say hi from her latest movie any day. (STB was a neighbor in Woodside.) The point of the story is I asked her How long she had lived in the neighborhood? She said since she was a little girl. Her father, who was a good worker and saver, bought the home during the 30s for $3000. Would it not surprise most inflationists to see their homes at original cost or scrap value again? And how might that happen? What if people no longer trusted electronic dollar credits and could not get or use gold or silver for everyday transactions? We still think most people do not understand deflation, let alone hyperinflation. That the Shadow Banks folded consumer credit faster than the Fed and Big Banks can create it again gives us a clue on which way we are going. Maybe later today we’ll post the difference between the two on http://www.jubileeprosperity.com/ .
    Meanwhile:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deflation
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation
    Regards*Rich

  • Roger November 4, 2009, 4:10 pm

    Rick wrote:

    “You’ve made more errors in your 35-word sentence than some of those who contribute to this forum will make in a month of blogging. ”

    I doubt it. As for Buffet, he is just a self serving plutocrat who has done a wonderful job bamboozling a large contingent of easily duped citizens and public servants into believing that he is an avuncular, humble, patriot.

    Here are some far more insightful portraits of The Sage of Omaha (and his latest “deal”) than the one provided by his unthinking worshippers.

    “Same old dull house, yes, and like you observe, he’s seldom there. I tend to think he likes his ‘props.’ He says he’s giving his kids almost nothing and they have to earn it on their own. I’m sure his business logic and instinct is all they need to make money and that’s probably the greatest and most important gift. But the ‘no inheritance’ is probably a prop as well given that he’s probably got a huge foundation and trust fund that’s funded by wealth replacement life insurance. Malcolm Forbes had a huge wealth replacement insurance trust for his son. And that dull house. You astutely note that he’s probably there very little. I keep my parents small home only for nostalgia; paid for, costs little to maintain, even though I rent it. Too many memories. But Warren can spend any night he wants on one of his fleet of private jets. A billionaire and his toys.”

    “Ah, so you didn’t buy his supposedly selfless Congressional testimony regarding there being no need to remove the death tax. How laudable!!! Well, isn’t Warren the biggest insurance magnate in the US? And wasn’t his first line of business of his life insurance companies, his flagships, the WEALTH REPLACEMENT INSURANCE TRADE? Oh, so if the death tax were repealed, a whole line of business belonging to Buffet would be worthless overnight? Hmmm, doesn’t sound so selfless.”

    “And in the early days of last year’s market swoon, Buffett bought into GE and GS. Took a beating early on but he was rallying America to bail him out wasn’t he. How many times did he trumpet the buy the stock market as it descended? Selfless.”

    “I particularly liked Warren’s rant on taxes yesterday….to paraphrase. “We had 60% marginal tax rates in the ‘50s and ‘60s and I still ran money and employment was good and the stock market did good.” Rates don’t make a difference if you can permanently defer taxes and time payment to when rates become low. That’s why Reagan’s tax revenues increased when he decreased rates. People paying taxes they’d long deferred at the lower rates. That’s the key of wealth versus Joes that want to improve their living….the former can largely defer taxes and pick their moments while the Joes who get a W-2 or 1099 can’t escape. Wealth perpetuates itself where earned income cannot. So, who are the wealthiest people in Congress? Those who would perpetuate the current tax code.”

    “I thought one of the trader commentators on CNBC got it just right when Erin asked him about his ‘buy America’ theme. “Warren Buffet does not enter any deal that is not favorable to Warren Buffet.”

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    I never bought the Buffett-as-patriot story either, and his ideas on tax policy, as you say, are motivated purely by selfishness. Thanks for training some light on his dark side. RA

  • Jeff Kahn November 4, 2009, 1:58 pm

    I love your essays, Rick, but, really, Bob Prechter has been shorting gold – the one true bull market – for the last 8 years. How can you respect someone who, in investment terms is as far out of it as you can possibly be? What good is a global analysis if it leads you to a moronic investment strategy?

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    Prechter has been right about nearly everything BUT gold — especially his call on deflation, which he understands better than anyone else who has written on the topic. RA

  • keith November 4, 2009, 11:46 am

    Perhaps he believes the trains will be running back and forth coast to coast to the shipping yards except this time not with imports but exports. I assure you, the trillions of dollars are going to get paid back and the foreigners may not want photos of old Benny Franklin. I say the next decade we become a net exporter of goods. Deflation within, inflation without.

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    Interesting idea, but it implies U.S. manufacturing workers will be competitive with the lowest cost producers in Asia, Brazil, India and elsewhere — more-than-competitve, really, since our trading partners are not going to be nearly as kind about tariffs as the U.S. has been. Of course, we would already BE competitive if we had invested most of what we consumed away since WWII in state-of-the-art factories. We don’t have the capital to do that at the moment, however, and if the Obama/Pelosi healh plan passes, that would be a further, huge drain on what we might have been able to save for such purposes. From an Adam Smith perspective, there aren’t many possibilities. One is that U.S. workers produce goods for export at a wage rate far below that of boom times. Another is that we return to prosperity on the strength of some spectacular technological breakthrough, such as “cold fusion”.

    If Obama’s brazenly destructive fiscal and economic policies continue at their present rate, capital investment in this country will be dead by the end of his term. There will be virtually no savings, since taxes and debt service at that point will exceed savings.

    RA

  • Rich November 4, 2009, 7:48 am

    Re gold, humbly, there still appears to be more downside than up…

  • Rich November 4, 2009, 7:46 am

    GOP sweep tonight may suggest interesting times ahead for the ObamaNation…

  • Rich November 4, 2009, 7:39 am

    BRK.A was 76,400 in June 1999 and 100,450 in Nov 2009 for a CAGR of 2.77%.
    The dollar fell some 84% in real terms since 2001, wiping out most of that return.
    (Gold went from 255 to 1082 for a CAGR of 15.55%.)
    I was particularly concerned about WEB considering derivatives as insurance float in his insightful 2008 Annual Letter to Shareholders re investable cash flow from writing European puts with little or no margin. Black Scholes Black Swans can occur at both ends of premium distributions, which never were normal for multi-decade puts, as WEB observes:
    http://www.berkshirehathaway.com/letters/2008ltr.pdf
    After noting delinquencies and defaults in the BRK portfolios are higher, describing derivatives as dangerous weapons of mass financial destruction unsettled for years, building up huge counterparty claims, the moral hazard of partners sleeping around, and saying Beware of Geeks bearing formulas, WEB claimed the European puts he wrote at various prices were overvalued on a 100 year basis. Possibly, but that event horizon is well beyond our lifetimes, and we have become familiar of late with the risk of being all in for inflation. We could have two 100 year deflationary implosions back to back. For that reason alone I would like to discuss with Mr Buffett the ultimate consequences of the $13 T bailout, which may have only deferred the inevitable and unforgivable.
    The last time I heard WEB comment on IOUSA, he seemed to think we can grow our way out of the $104 Trillion in unfunded government agency mandates and the $454 Trillion in derivatives. He seems more inclined to expecting more inflation to relive them and less to appreciating default-driven deflation.
    Meanwhile, giving WEB credit for marking his 251+ derivatives including credit default swaps and State General Obligation insurance losses to market, unlike some of the Banks he holds, still took the worst chunks out of BRK income, retained earnings and book value in the 44 year history of BRK.
    It might be interesting to have an email conversation with WEB re real interest rates and returns during the last deflation before he came of age, or invite him to this site for his intelligent comments: berkshire@berkshirehathaway.com

  • Roger November 4, 2009, 6:27 am

    Pardon my typo. Here is the corrected version.

    And I wish you knew how to write beyond an eighth grade level so that you did not, among other errors, improperly employ vocabulary like draconian, you drooling idolator of The Sage of Omaha.

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    Well, that’s more like it. Sort of.
    RA

  • Roger November 4, 2009, 6:26 am

    gary wrote:

    “I wish you would have done some homework before you bashed the guy.”

    And I wish you knew how to use write beyond an eighth grade level so that you did not, among other errors, improperly employ vocabulary like draconian, you drooling idolator of The Sage of Omaha.

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    Roger, would you perhaps like to try again? You’ve made more errors in your 35-word sentence than some of those who contribute to this forum will make in a month of blogging. I might add that The Sage’s defenders have done a quite credible job. Hell, I’m kicking myself for not having any Burlington Northern in my own portfolio. RA

  • Paul November 4, 2009, 6:14 am

    Rick,

    As has been well stated, above, in the Comments, I think Warren is dumping his dollars for tangibles. Warren isn’t concerned about the possibility of his cash burning a hole in his pants pocket. He’s worried about the value of the cash in his pocket disappearing.

    I know, I know, this forum is in “da House of Deflation-Depression.” I won’t argue with the possibility that Warren’s RR play may recede in value to that of my Lionel and American Flyer sets when I was a kid.

    But picture this–the major RRs will become the only “green” heavy transportation mode surviving in the US after Mr. Obama and Congress cede control of the air quality in the US to some UN commission. Eighteen wheelers will be carbon-credited to death. Diesel will cost $20 / gal after cap and trade (except for use in locomotives owned by envirnonmental progressive, Democrat Party supporters).

    Time to buy up those long-abandoned RR rights of way.

    Maybe WB dined with some of the Governors of the Central Bank of India in the past few weeks. The Indians didn’t hestitate to pay current market prices for their AU horde. Worthless paper for tangible assets. Sounds like a plan to me.

    Apparently the IMF leaders didn’t get an invitation to that dinner. The IMF needed some of the $6.8B for expenses. [To help their Ex-pats employees to pay their income taxes??]

    Buffet thinks that cash isn’t going to be king in the near future. He’s not thinking that there is going to be a coming Depression. As you have labeled his picture above, he’s the eternal optimist. Even when the USD becomes worthless (probably within Warren’s lifetime), the Burlington Northern-Santa Fe RR will still be able to generate revenues in Ameros, Cheerios, or U.N. os.

    Best of luck to all.

  • gary leibowitz November 4, 2009, 4:31 am

    Sorry but this guy I have been following for over 10 years now. Your description of him is contrary to the facts. He has horded cash of over 40 billion dollars of B.Hathaways money for years saying there is no undervalued company he sees investing in. You have to remember that this guy has a fiduciary responsibility to his shareholders and “must” invest the money. That in itesf tells you something. How many CEO’s would do that? Second if you know anything about the man then you know he practically wrote the book on bull/bear cycles. He has noticed decades ago that there are large cyclical patterns of 18 years or so. He stayed away from the dot.coms claiming if he can’t understand how it earns money he can’t invest in it. Perhaps he was a little modest. he missed the 1 to 5 percent rocketing winners and stayed away from the rest.

    He made his money in the 70’s. How many people do you know who did that? He was very vocal on Bush’s economic policies long before it became a real problem.

    I would dare you to find any other person in th history of investing that made his fortune in stocks starting with nothing and making the right decisions for decades.

    You can’t just blow this guys remarks away as if he is another Cramer. He has proven himself the king of investing for over 4 decades. I urge you to look up his bio.

    He lives rather modestly, his kids grew up in a middle class suburban home, he plans on giving all his money back to society. The most draconian person I have ever heard of.

    I wish you would have done some homework before you bashed the guy. In the past he was way early on the crash refusing to invest simply because his strict formula prevented him from doing so. He never predicts the future or trends.

    He never invests based on emotions, never. Now that alone disqualifies 99 percent of the people on this planet.

    If you think I am giving him false praise please check out his long career. I still can’t get over the fact he made a huge head start in accumulating wealth in the 70’s, an almost impossible period where we had wild swings, and inflation out of control.

    I would also recheck your facts on how much B.Hathaway made or lost during the past year or two.

    Once again try to imagine the head of one of the largest corporations holding cash earning less than 2 percent for years. He was technically wrong and missed out on the meteoric rise but stuck to his principles and refused to change.

    No he is not a market timer. He does calculate risk/reward pretty darn well. At least he has in the past. Now you can see why I was very hesitant to disagree with his recent decision to make such a huge purchase. I read a book called the Bear Book written in the late 1990’s where there were 5 traders still alive from back in the 30’s and they have managed to do very well for their clients despite the depression.

  • Edward November 4, 2009, 4:28 am

    Either Warren has gone soft in the head, or it is the dollar depreciation bet that Chad and jon assert. Well, if it’s the latter it’s not, by my calculation, the best bet he could have made, but it is better than a number of others. Personally I think Mr. Buffet, as per his Goldman connection, has gone over to the dark side. I also think he isn’t nearly as sage as he is made out to be as per what happened to him with his silver hoard. The word is that he was snookered out of his enormous position by none other than Hank Greenberg, proprietor of the disgraced insurance giant AIG.

  • Chris T. November 4, 2009, 4:16 am

    Rick:

    two thoughts:

    When is Buffet going to convert the GS warrants?

    Your commentary reminded me of a foreclosure auction I saw on TV some time ago.
    It was in Detroit.
    One of the properties up for sale had been purchased by a fellow not too many years before for about $40k. He said at the time it seemed so low, he never could have imagined such a price, that it was a good investment.

    The property was started off at 8k, there were no bids.

    (of course this is Detroit, the neighborhood was (now, perhaps not when this guy bought) not unlike Berlin in 1945, or Kabul afterfor that matter, but it shows your point well even so.)

  • Chad Cleveringa November 4, 2009, 3:11 am

    The investment is a “dollar hedge”. Railroads having pricing power, whether imports dominate in the future, highly unlikely, or exports dominate, which is the adminstration’s goal of course. His Op-Ed several weeks ago on his “greenback concern” was his tell. He knows what he is doing and he knows the government DEBT will either have to be inflated away or defaulted on. So if anything, it is a bet on the DEBT being inflated away, and he clearly knows this based on his recent Op-Ed. A guy with his treasure chest makes buying gold very difficult. What was India’s shrewd outlay? A few billion? My point. This investment will be considered a legendary call well down the road.

  • jon November 4, 2009, 12:51 am

    Regarding Buffet, i would respectfully disagree with the optimism part of your comment. To me this says, ” Warren you have too many dollar bills, and you had better spend them on a commodity based company, before that paper you are holding is worthless”.