Gold and Silver Ebb, but Not the Larger Trend

[Gold and silver have been hit hard this week, so it is probably a good time to remind ourselves that the factors that have been driving bullion prices higher for the last decade are still very much in place – are indeed more powerful than ever.Β  In the following interview, Greg Weldon of Weldon Financial explains why this is so. We are grateful to our friends Michael Campbell and Robert Zurrer at MoneyTalks for sharing the interview with Rick’s Picks’Β  readers. RA]

Michael Campbell: What are the implications of solving a huge debt problem by taking on more debt?

Greg Weldon: It’s more than Ireland or Greece when you think that 25 out of 27 EU nations are in violation of rules on either debts or deficits relative to their GDPs. We’ve been saying for a long time that for Europe to bail out Europe is ridiculous. To think that the U.S. is going to commit a trillion dollars to any foreign bailouts is even more ludicrous. Really, the spark in the stock markets around the world was that comment from an unnamed U.S. official that the United States promised to buoy up the International Monetary Fund with another trillion dollars.

The European Central Bank has been in a program to buy debt, but they sterilized that money they put in the system by withdrawing it at the back end. So they are not even really playing ball to begin with to the degree that the Fed has in the U.S. Having said that, the European Central Bank is expanding their balance sheet again. The Bank of Japan balance sheet just hit a new interim high. The U.S. bought a lot of bonds and

Would the global financial system's "EKG" reveal an imminent heart attack?

unfortunately they’ve had mortgage roll-ups, so they haven’t yet net expanded their balance sheet to new heights, but they’re in the process of doing it. So when you have the three major central banks in the world expanding their balance sheets, that does provide some underpinning in terms of liquidity. To think that that’s a solution to these long term problems is absolutely ludicrous.

Michael: In your view then Greg, it’s not a matter of if we have a day of reckoning, it’s just when?

Greg: There is no way out. This is the cycle that you’re caught in, and you can never underestimate the ability of monetary officials around the world to get creative. This is a bubble that goes back to the U.S. removing the dollar from the gold standard. What we’ve entered into is an absolute day of reckoning. But it’s not here yet because we’re going to keep going through these vacillations where they pump it up and dump until they can’t do it anymore. The second you pull the rag out from under the market in terms of support either fiscally or monetarily, it’s a nightmare waiting to happen.

β€˜Pump It Up’

So they have boxed themselves into a corner where β€œpump it up” is the only way out, yet inevitably it is doomed to fail. Timing that failure is what is just so difficult and it becomes increasingly difficult as these vacillations become more and more extreme. You might liken it to an EKG where you have a nice little pattern of up and down, up and down, up and down then in the ’97, ’98 crisis that pattern became a little more wild, in 2000, 2001 more wild, and 2007, we were into the heart-attack stage.

Michael: In the Gold Trading Boot Camp you wrote in 2006 you chronicled the kind of situation financially that we’re finding ourselves in right now. You wrote about taking advantage of gold as a protection against these kind of events. Where do you think gold is right now?

Greg: Gold still has significant upside. We actually became a little bit more cautious on precious metals about six weeks ago, when it looked like global interest rates had started to rise. But as we mentioned before, the Bank of Japan’s balance sheet is expanding again, the ECB expanding its balance sheet and the Fed doing the same. As soon as these mortgage roll-offs get out of the way, the Fed’s balance sheet should explode. So this certainly is positive for Gold.

Not a Dollar Move

More importantly in the bigger picture, when you take a look at gold prices in every currency in the world, it’s not a dollar move. Gold is gaining against every single currency in the world. The flip side is that every currency in the world is depreciating relative to gold because central banks are debasing money everywhere. That’s the bottom line when talking about gold. That’s what people tend to miss, tend to overlook, is what is really at the core of this. It’s kind of veiled, it’s kind of hidden, and no matter which way it goes, whether it is a successful hyper-reflation or whether it is a downturn to debt deflation, either scenario incorporates a lower standard of living. For example, [suppose] you bought a million dollars of Treasury bonds five years ago, versus buying gold at $450. While you got your money back because the bond was a β€œsafe,” guaranteed investment, the million dollars you got back buys one-third the amount of gold it could have bought five years ago. That in a nutshell is the debasement of the currency at work. It is the lower standard of living at work. We’ve lived on this credit bubble for so long that the downturn is going to be very difficult to fight because we’ve become reliant on expanding credit. It’s not the right thing to do, it’s just because we’ve become so reliant on it now.

Gold is so attractive in the long term because this is a trend that is intensifying. It’s a trend that’s broadening, and the tentacles are reaching throughout the world in places that it has not reached before. You’re not protected in currencies, so for me on the longer term picture in gold still looks attractive even at these prices.

Silver Outperforming…

Michael: Is silver outperforming gold?

Greg: Silver is absolutely outperforming gold. It has been a big performer and an upside leader for quite some time in the near term. I have a love for silver, as when I first started the business it was in the silver pit in New York…[during] the heyday of $50 silver. Talking about the bigger picture, silver has a great appeal in that it’s a lower-denomination metal — you can hold smaller quantities, exchange it for less [valuable items relative to gold] in a worst-case scenario down the road. From that perspective, I still like silver. It continues to outperform gold, and I expect that to be sustained.

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  • cosmo December 10, 2010, 5:29 am

    As was stated earlier, everything is relative to something else. So I am completely sanguine in my PM holdings, as I see ‘value’ of currencies falling while PM maintains ‘value’. I may not get ‘rich’, but I wont be poor.

    And I maintain that a handful of gold may just save your life.

  • gary leibowitz December 9, 2010, 11:17 pm

    If we do fail to re-inflate and fall into a debt spiral with global deflation wouldn’t secure bonds do well? Unless you are expecting government defaults or a suspension of payments.

    I also take issue with the notion that commodities are not already in a bubble. If you look at the basket of commodities they all have done well. Would that indicate a re-inflation scenario?

    Call me crazy but when the equties market falls hard again wouldn’t there be a shake out from weak hand in the commodity markets? Will gold really replace government currencies?

    Questions with no real answer until they become self evident. I am not so sanguine in the notion that no matter what happens Gold and Silver will shine.

  • roger erickson December 9, 2010, 5:29 pm

    I just don’t see what the problem is. Yes, populations everywhere are increasing, yes, the rate of real transactions they all make is also increasing. So, obviously, the product of those two things is definitely increasing. With that kind of combinatorial growth, you need to use a lot more bookkeeping numbers every year – no surprise in that. The only thing many people are surprised about is that we call those bookkeeping numbers sovereign currency.

    Conclusion? This has to occur. It’s a necessary part of the evolution of social species, national cultures, civil government, and any & all large markets.

    Can it scale up forever? Sure, no different than the use of adenosine (as adenosine mono, di, or tri-phospate) has been scaled up for millions of years by all living species.

    What’s really hard to scale up are all the tolerance limits in all the involved processes. Is that easy? Hell no! Will trial & error selection of exacting progress continue? Well, 4 billion years of history on this planet argues it will, one way or another.

    Here’s another way to look at this. If some mob of frustrated, uninformed people starts another war, will our DoD worry about how much it has of anything except productive power? Currency? Gold? Anything except the brains to coordinate won’t matter.

    Any bookkeeping currency system, whether backed by gold, public initiative, or an imaginary deity, is USED as a bookkeeping system by organized, coordinating people.

    If you don’t lose track of that, this country may survive the next challenge. If not, you’ll briefly be left with all the gold, currency or other assets you want, but no Constitution, and no neighbor covering your back.

    Real conclusion? Yes, take care of oneself & one’s family first, but NOT to the exclusion of one’s neighbors, town, county, state, & country. Like Ben Franklin said all those years ago, if we all compromise a little, we get useful outcomes instead of kindling. In todays terms, you can paraphrase that as saying that in order to continuously “make a more perfect union” we have to continuously stay inside multiple tolerance limits simultaneously – and a few more each year.

    Happy personal investing, but don’t forget to invest in your national institutions too. My fervent wish for all this holiday season is that we all receive an urge to dramatically increase the requirement standards for any and all people elected to any public office anywhere.

    Cheerio!

    • Robert December 9, 2010, 8:11 pm

      Bravo Roger!

      Community must not be forgotten.

      Even the most die-hard survivalist needs a friend to talk too when society collapses πŸ™‚

    • Steve December 9, 2010, 9:38 pm

      Why does one “subject” to a corporate charter/ contract [28 U.S.C. 3002(15)] banter about a Constitution that does not exist for them in their sphere of democracy? [haven’t been in a Court where the Judge says the Constitution is not in this court?]

      Franklin said that if one gives up liberty for a little security that one would soon have neither. Jefferson said that he denied the authority of the Federal Government to make paper money. Madison said a democracy is a tryanny run by despots leading to violent destruction. The “Tree of Liberty. . . . . “.

      Many things have been said by the Founders and Framers, yet; we witness the evolution of freedom to mobocracy before our eyes. Can’t we all just get along? Be like ME not like YOU.

      A prayer for higher quality legislators goes out against the “evolution of the mirror”. The elected official is just a reflection of the majority morality of the voter. America is not becoming better, it is the same corporate persons who assent to Federal abuse in Hawaii, Colorado, Idaho, Oregon/California when they dropped small pox infected blankets to the Modoc, butchered the Bison to starve a People, and sent Custer out to murder women and children in the Name of Commerce. There is no change, only the same economic theory.

      Your evolution of ‘union’ is of the “federal union of states” citing Justice Sandra Day____ [Black Bold Italic TEXT]; where there once was the union of the several States under the Constitution. It is a fact that tripe is. But, what does the word tripe mean? What are you talking about ? Is it the federal union of states as in a feudal scheme? Or, is it the several States union for the Sovereign in Common? Is there a difference between the words Country, and a Nation? Well yes there is, a nation and a country are distinctly different according to Blacks Law Dictionary Fourth Revised Edition 1968.

      Why can’t we all just get along. Because – when WE USE words they do not mean the same thing to all people. The established definition of words is changed by those who do not want to get along except under their terms.

      First, we need an involved educated Population intent upon holding the Nation firmly. Second, that isn’t going to happen with Public Education, and illegals entering to create a Country where once stood a Nation. Third, corporate persons don’t want to know the truth, nor; do they want to change what they do. Finally; the evolution of the Nation is from Freedom to corporate enfranchisement under the Master/Creator/ Congress. The evolution of this Nation is from a Free Republic to a new feudal paradigm of mobocracy in a one party system of republicrats. Who was it that said that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. Anarchy reaps the same whirlwind whether it be a government in anarchy, or the anarchy of persons who think they are People because they know not the meaning of Nation and Country. Reach for the Source, which is the Immutable Truth, to find Peace.

      Live, and LET LIVE.

  • Benjamin December 9, 2010, 10:28 am

    Let’s see… A Gold titan with Silver eyes vs a broken down 800lb gorilla that insists on carring the monkey of mobocracy theory on it’s back.

    This is supposed to be the fight of the century. Oh, well. Place your bets, folks!

  • larry December 9, 2010, 6:08 am

    What is your turning point, signal for the trend going down?

    I’m positive gold is in a trend upwards, but for how long?
    There are all kinds of reasons (world economics, obama, problem nations, etc).

    Anyway, gold will go up until… what?

    what are your reasons or ‘things’ that will happen to make gold bubble bust and start trending down.

    I’m learning from this to make my decisions:
    http://www.goo.gl/17t4I
    (that is a google short url link)

    So, what are things that will make you change your mind about buying gold and start selling it?

    just trying to plan ahead πŸ™‚

    thanks

    • Robert December 9, 2010, 8:25 pm

      “Anyway, gold will go up until… what?”

      In the short term- Gold will go up until the Gold market shifts back to natural Contango from Backwardation.

      Contango is the same as saying that the market “interest” in Gold has turned negative relative to today.

      Backwardation in a commodity generally implies positive interest (since more people want it now, at higher prices, as opposed to waiting for it, even if waiting means they can offer less for it in trade)

      Remember, economics is psychology first, and statistics second. The stats only quantify what the psychology was/is – they can never be used to quantify what the psychology will be (at least not with absolute certainty)

      Nobody likes to hear it, or to beliive it, but the Gold price in dollars is telling us where the general price level (as opposed to the bogus CPI) is really going.

      There will be items that move against the coming price trends (especially super expensive items typically financed with debt) that will drop in price as the cost of available credit ramps up with higher interest rates.

      It’s all relative.

    • donniemac December 9, 2010, 11:08 pm

      This is spam πŸ™‚
      I saw it this morning and just now got back on to see if it had been removed. “Larry” gets paid for every click on that link!

    • larry December 10, 2010, 11:49 pm

      donniemac ,

      I wish I got paid for people clicking a link.
      This isn’t the ‘google ads’ that are on the side of Rick’s blog.

      anyway,
      I joined that group several weeks ago, which the link takes you too. The guy who started the group, IMO, a very, very smart man (young at that). However, he wants to show people/tell people what he has done.

      The link takes you to the little intro video… its VERY MUCH related to this blog post.
      Getting other opinions is a function of the internet.

      However, if you choose to not watch it, due to you notions that “its spam”…

      I promise you, you are missing out.

      The value and “Eye Awaking” information Mike presents is truly powerful. The great thing about the group, its Gold/Silver Lesson is only 1 small aspect of the group.

      They are teaching concepts of ‘infinite banking’ or “the bank of you’ — it goes by various names, however the concepts are the same.

      Unless you have heard of a life insurance policy being used for an investment vehicle (or your existing financial advisor told you that ‘infinite banking’ was a scam) — you would benefit too by watching the video.

      Anyway, good luck with making decisions and assumptions, sometimes you can be right.
      Sometimes you missed the boat.

  • Lee December 9, 2010, 3:59 am

    Yes, that silver ratio gets better all the time.. buy silver when the ratio is high and then sell silver when the ratio is low to buy more gold!