Flat Tax Could Be the Cheapest Way Out

We’ve been treating the debt-limit donnybrook on Capitol Hill as a joke, just like everything else that goes on in Washington, but it now seems more than remotely possible that the issue could turn gravely serious. Even allowing for the usual brinksmanship, it’s hard to imagine what concessions either side might make at this point  that would be significant enough to break the logjam. For its part, Moody’s – as big a laughing stock as D.C. politicians since the Great Financial Collapse of 2008-09 – has put America’s AAA credit rating “on review” for a possible downgrade, sending the dollar into spasms late Wednesday afternoon. Of course, there’s no way in hell Moody’s would actually downgrade U.S. credit, since that would trigger financial Armageddon.  Consider the mayhem that downgrades have already caused in Europe, where credit spreads for the PIIGs have widened as much as 250 basis points over German bundts. This has put the PIIGs in a financial death spiral that all the official happy-talk in the world can no longer counteract.

Now try to imagine how a mere 50-point widening of spreads would affect a U.S. credit edifice that dwarfs Europe’s.  Add just a paltry few basis points to the interest paid on nearly $15 trillion of federal debt for a year or two, and pretty soon you’re talking about real money.  And then you could start worrying about how it would affect adjustable-rate mortgages in a depression-bound real estate sector, and the interest paid by households on revolving charge accounts. It would also knock Obama’s fiscal assumptions for a loop, since he’s counting on the fed funds rate to average 2.5% between now and 2020. If credit problems should cause this rate to revert to the 5.7% average that has obtained since the early 1980s, the additional borrowing costs would add $4.9 trillion to the U.S. deficit, according to the estimate of Bill Buckler, editor of The Privateer (one of our very favorite reads, by the way. Click on the link for a free sample).  If that were to push the Obama administration’s laughable, 4.2% GDP growth estimate for the next three years down to a still-wildly-optimistic 2.5% between now and 2020, it would add $4 trillion more to the deficit, notes Buckler.

A Shortfall? So What?

Under the circumstances, perhaps the politicians could end their squabbling by agreeing to implement a flat tax. Steve Forbes has been pushing this great idea for years, arguing that simplifying the tax code would stimulate growth. Who could disagree with him? Trouble is, our elected leaders are worried that the generally lower tax rates that would come with a flat tax might not produce sufficient revenues to feed the Federal maw. At this point, though, with Democrats and Republicans splitting relative fiscal hairs over their respective, chicken-s**t Ten-Year Plans, what would be the harm in trying a new tax system, even if there were risk that it might produce, say, a $300 billion shortfall for a year or two?  While a shortfall of that magnitude would be all to the good for business, investment and consumption, it would amount to just a drop in the bucket in the context of monetary policy that has produced little more than a multi-trillion dollar financial bubble in the stock market.

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  • dlweld July 15, 2011, 6:35 pm

    Simplifying the tax system would seem to be a winner – get a lot of tax lawyers doing useful things that help the economy, rather than playing paper games.

    Plus, I couldn’t help but notice that Murdoch’s News Corp made 10.4 billion USD in profit in the last 4 years. Nice. Its tax bill for that same period was minus 4.6 billion – that is, it also recieved a tax related $4.6 billion from Uncle Sam. So, a tax rate of minus 46%. Oh well. Keep working.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/article/over-past-4-years-news-corp-generated-104-billion-profits-and-received-48-billion-taxes-irs

  • Jill July 15, 2011, 12:35 am

    People who think they are concerned about the national debt suddenly lose all of that concern when the idea of lower taxes is discussed. Of course, everyone wants to have their cake and eat it too, so it should not be surprising. We’re a whole nation of cake havers and eaters without ever paying for the cake. If lower taxes resulted in a better economy and more tax receipts, the economy would have been booming ever since the Bush tax cuts.

    • John Jay July 15, 2011, 1:27 am

      Well Jill even if we could all agree upon a fair tax system, there is a still a huge problem.
      The underground economy, which I will, for the sake of argument put at 20% of the total US economy.
      Everytime a factory or office gets shipped offshore, we ship another group of captive taxpayers offshore too. Good old Federal tax withholding keeps shrinking. I have some knowledge of construction trades and believe me, there are tons of carpenters, electricians, plumbers, painters, drywallers, floor installers working off the books for cash. And the good ones don’t even need to advertise in the local Pennysaver, word of mouth gets them all the work they can handle. Do you think they are going to report that income no matter how small the tax is?
      I saw Gulf fisherman in a quandry to show proof of their economic losses, because….. they were selling their catch for years for…..cash. Now add in all the gardeners , housekeepers, limo drivers, cooks, horse trainers, boarding stables, farriers, (good ones can get up to $200 for a set of special horse shoes here in So Cal), restaurants, car washes, car detailers etc. Do you think they are all going to start declaring all that income and start paying taxes? Add in your own selection of cash businesses where it is easy to either not declare any income, or under report it. ( How can they know how many cars you wash for cash?)
      Another fringe benefit of offshoring tens of thousands of factories and millions of jobs, the withholding lever vaporizes along with the tax base.
      That’s nice work Clinton and Bush I/II!

    • PhotoRadarScam July 15, 2011, 1:56 am

      Jill, that’s not it at all. First of all, I think people would have less of a problem paying more taxes if we thought it would do any good. They can (and probably will) raise taxes, and guess what? Next year, and the year after, and the year after, and the year after we’ll STILL BE TALKING about lowering the debt (or trying to), MORE TAX INCREASES, etc., etc. It’s like if you have a kid or a friend who keeps borrowing money from you, and you think they’re turning their life around but after 5 years of giving them money they’re still broke with no job and going nowhere. Do you still want to give them money, and will it do any good? Now if you knew you could give them one more check and they would actually accomplish something with it, you’d gladly give them that money. But the thing is, you know it’s not going to be any different this time.

      The other question is, even after they raise the debt ceiling again, do you really think it will be the last time? Of course not! We’ll be having this same headlines next year about raising it YET AGAIN. Why does it matter if tax collections increase $500B? It’s still not enough!

      And if you don’t think lower taxes don’t matter, think again. Many cities and states lure businesses with special tax treatments. My company moved a factory offshore to Malaysia not just because of cheap labor, but because they also gave them a 15 year tax holiday. There were a lot of factors in that decision, but perhaps if the taxes (and regulations and other factors) were a bit lower in the US, the option wouldn’t have looked so appealing. The local economies of California and Illinois are hurting because people like myself will never accept employment there because of the ridiculous tax rates. Oppressive tax rates NEVER lead to prosperity. If you think we can tax our way out of this spending and debt situation you are very naive.

  • Benjamin July 14, 2011, 10:15 pm

    “Now every working class citizen would pay 20+% more for everything they buy and this would further crush the 50% that now pay no federal income tax?”

    Since we’re all just imagining the day away…

    Why 20%? Why not 5%, so as to discourage what you envision while encouraging what was stated in the article?

    • Benjamin July 14, 2011, 10:25 pm

      That was @ Marketace 9:46 pm, btw. I’d also like to add/ask of the forum in general…

      If higher discourages while lower encourages, couldn’t higher interest rates then be afforded, in turn allowing debt to be paid back faster?

  • Marketace July 14, 2011, 9:46 pm

    The push for a FAT tax is nothing but a protest against the current inoperable system, but would be jumping from the frying pan to the fire.

    Talk about wealth redistribution from main street to Wall Street. Now every working class citizen would pay 20+% more for everything they buy and this would further crush the 50% that now pay no federal income tax? How would the bottom rung of the economic ladder survive.? Meanwhile the ultra wealthy would then pay no income tax and obviously do not consume all of their income so would pay far less tax than they do now.

    Then we hear we could eliminate the IRS. Fat chance. Who would collect and regulate all of this FAT tax that merchants are then supposed to collect (one more big burden on small business). Who would control licenses, audit the receipts and tax and enforce this new monstrosity?

    The underground economy and barter systems would certainly do well and this may help a lot of people as cash transactions would be even more prevalent and abuses of the system even more profound, but hardly what a tax system is supposed to cause.

    There are many ways to simplify the current tax system. Many states use a post card and a straight percentage, but going from a a graduated income tax to a flat consumption tax can only be called a FAT tax for most people.

  • Rick J July 14, 2011, 9:10 pm

    Rick,why is it that Team Republican cannot wake up to the fact that taxes have to go up and further have to be paid, including by them? They are supposed to be the responsible ones. We all understand that expenses have to go down and some of us even understand that that includes the defence and homeland security budgets.

    • Michael July 14, 2011, 9:57 pm

      Rick, You are absolutely “correct”.
      Taxes do have to go up!!!

      We REALLY NEED to pay for all the perverts in the TSA, killers in the six corporate wars, spinless imbesiles in the congress, thieves banksters and lazy leaches who don’t want to get an honest job.

      So be my guest, please sell your house and cars and send all your money to the guberment.

      “Compare this (40% to 75% total local, State and Federal tax rate) to the plight of medieval serfs. They only had to give the lord of the manor a third of their output and they were considered slaves. So what does that make us?” Daniel J. Mitchell

    • PhotoRadarScam July 14, 2011, 10:09 pm

      Actually, taxes do NOT have to go up. Nor should they. If you look at taxes collected relative to GDP, it is clear that anything over 18% absolutely kills the economy. We are at about 16.5% now, so there is room for a little more taxes, but not much…

      If you look at spending relative to GDP, you can see that this is where the greater disparity is. We as a country have to determine what we can live without or live with less of. Like a family when the father loses his job, sometimes you have to stop eating out, start clipping coupons, and dump cable. The numbers being bandied about on TV are not significant enough to even make a dent in spending.

  • Benjamin July 14, 2011, 8:14 pm

    I see lots of rejection for the flat tax, but can anyone actually argue against what Rick & Forbes have presented?

    For what it’s worth, my argument for is that it seems a likely step in the right direction. For one, until employment sufficiently recovers, they can’t well push higher and higher the hypothetical tax rate. And that can only mean one thing: That Big Govt Inc would be bumped out of the drivers seat, leaving the market (us) with more power and control than we’ve had in a good long while.

  • Michael July 14, 2011, 7:34 pm

    Any unapportioned tax is criminal.
    Suggestion to implement flat/fair or any other crap tax to give guberment more of our money is a treason.

    No amount of taxation (legal or illegal) will ever fix treasonous federal government which is joined at the hip with the Fed for the purpose of enslavement of the whole world.

    Rick, I am extremelly disappointed with you suggesting this insanity.

    This is a time to remove our chains of illegal taxation and corrupt central banksters, not to look for a way to give them more of our sweat and blood.
    Luckily more people are waking up and realising that they have been liet to all of their lives and enslaved from the birth.

  • redwilldanaher July 14, 2011, 7:09 pm

    Great perspective Rick. The relative pittance vs. what THEY have thrown at their mess is a great point. 15 years ago or so I strongly supported a Flat Tax. At this point I can’t support any tweaks that leave the current power structure in place. Here’s to hoping that the California new state idea gets some traction so that it propels thought to “well, why don’t we just secede?” Praying that SC, or TX can get momentum in that direction but it appears that one can also never go broke thinking that they are overestimating the awesome power of inertia.

  • Rich July 14, 2011, 7:02 pm

    Rick, your 1328.50 or bust ESU call may be one of your best yet. Bot some more SPXU…

  • nonplused July 14, 2011, 6:07 pm

    If they implement a flat tax, it will be in addition to all the other taxes. Nothing will be “replaced”.

  • ben July 14, 2011, 5:47 pm

    A flat tax is just a way for the rich to pay less tax. If we are to have an income tax, the first few bucks a guy makes obviously is more critical to his survival than the the money made above his basic needs, and should be subject to a lower rate. I find the people proposing a flat tax greedy and dishonest…cloaking their desire to pay less tax themselves as some kind of tax reform beneficial to all. There would be the exact same paperwork involved with a flat tax as our current tiered structure…just the poor would pay more, or the rich would pay less, depending on how you look at it.

    On the other hand, why not eliminate income taxes entirely? Making money is not something that should be penalized, but rather encouraged. And with the government able to print as much money as it wants anyway…why not just have Qunatitative Easing every year to pay the bills? Sure inflation would be more pronounced…but the dollar is doomed anyway. Besides, elimination of income tax would bring at least a 50% increase in America’s happiness…and all those accountants wasting their time with needless paperwork will be able to find some useful employment.

    • PhotoRadarScam July 14, 2011, 10:14 pm

      How do the rich pay more when everyone would pay the same percentage? That sounds pretty fair to me. At 20% a man making $1M pays $200k, and the guy making $20k pays $4000. If anything isn’t fair, it’s for the guy who has to pay $200k. He doesn’t use any more government services than the poor guy.

      I get what you’re saying that the $4000 means more to the poor guy than the $200k to the rich guy, but I don’t see what would be fair about giving the poor guy a “free” ride just because he sucks at life.

  • C.C. July 14, 2011, 5:47 pm

    @PhotoRadarScam:

    “A flat tax would be wonderful, but I just don’t think that the industry that exists because of our complicated tax system will ever let it be; and also because it removes a vehicle for manipulation of the economy.”

    That right there is the Definitive Crux of the Entire Tax Reformation argument. And it is the key issue that most people are either ignorant of, or overlook completely.

    Any meaningful revision or overhaul of the current Tax system – be it flat or sales based, would mean virtual instant un-employment for an Entire Sector of our Service-Based Economy. A Multi-multi $Billion dollar sub-economy at that.

    Imagine our tax system ‘simplified’ – and ‘fair’, i.e., no matter your income scale, you pay a specified percentage of income – no mortgage deduction, no ‘loopholes’, etc.

    What would that do to an industry that employes Millions due to the sheer complexity of the underlying existing tax laws…?

    Our tax system has in effect, Co-opted an entire segment of the overall economy – from individual Mom & Pop operations to multi-tiered accounting firms – all ‘spec-built’ around a tangled, convoluted web of rules & regulations – that benefit some, while penalizing others.

    Do you think for one moment that those who’s livelihoods depend on ever more tax complexity would willingly go along with a ‘simplified’ tax code…?

    Compare to say, the ‘War on Drugs’. If ‘drugs’ were made legal, what would happen to the thousands (if not, Millions) of deputy-dogs at ~$60k/yr. salaries & benefits who would instantly find themselves out of work…?

    Like they’re going to say – ‘Oh – hey man, it’s cool’…

    This is what happens when Government Co-opts the private sector by means of ‘rules & regulations’. It is an irresistible force against put against a highly moveable object – a compliant citizenry…

  • PhotoRadarScam July 14, 2011, 3:15 pm

    A flat tax would be wonderful, but I just don’t think that the industry that exists because of our complicated tax system will ever let it be; and also because it removes a vehicle for manipulation of the economy.

    I would very much welcome a flat tax. It would give me days of my life back every year. It takes me around 20 hours of effort per year to get or stay organized for tax time in order to give my accountant the information he needs. Then on top of that I must pay him about $1000. This is insanity. I could be using that money and time to make more money, but instead it is completely wasted to comply with my government’s demands.

    On another note, some are bashing the flat tax, but I believe Russia implemented one not too long ago and the results were amazing. Compliance skyrocketed due to the simplicity and so did income for the country.

    • Larry D July 14, 2011, 6:55 pm

      Exactly.

      The primary purpose of the tax code is not to collect revenue. It is a means of attempting to influence public behavior. Folks that think the complications of the Tax Code are in place only to keep lawyers and accountants happily employed must wonder what Mrs. Lincoln thought of the performance at Ford’s Theatre.

      Observe the hysteria when it is suggested that the home mortgage interest deduction be eliminated. One might think that homes would no longer be built, bought and sold in this country. Bunk.

  • Carole July 14, 2011, 2:59 pm

    All taxation is theft period. It matters not whether it is in the form of a flat tax or a graduated tax – if it is forced it is theft.

    I agree with the above posters.

    They only reason we have a tax system in this country is because we have a fiat ponzi scheme monetary system based on DEBT. No debt = no taxes needed to pay. I vote instead of any taxes we institute a non debt based monetary system and get rid of the federal res ponzi scheme.

    • Steve July 14, 2011, 3:44 pm

      Carole, all worked pretty well when excises were exercised on the gain from commercial activity. (*pre-1913) What a man produced upon his own land for his own subsistence was untaxable, as was the land untaxable. (Allodial Title). Current theory 1913 was that work/labor ‘traded’ quid pro quo for money was not taxable gain. Only the gain on employee labor was taxable to a business/corporation. At that time corporations were inferior artificial entities. Now, an artificial person and a natural born Person are alleged to be equal in all ways corporate under the alleged 14th amendment. Never forget that I.R.S. 1040 is an excise tax scheme corporately. The only question is – how did Man become an inferior corporate person equal to an artificially created ‘person’ incorporation of the state for/in commerce ?

      Two things have happened in my 61 years. First, the Sovereign in Common Man has become a corporate enfranchisee legislative creation subject to excises (14th voluntary political act ‘amendment’) by presumption/silent judicial notice. And second, the titles to Land have gone from Allodial (Free Hold) to Fee Simple Absolute, or the simplist inheritable slave state that can be assumed against the ‘get’ under a new British styled feudalism. (abuse of the Law of Escheats)

      Allodial Title is the opposite of a British styled feudalism ( Websters 1828, Blacks Law Dictionary Fourth Revised Edition 1968) – ” . . . nearly all titles in America are Allodial. . .

      Fee (Fee Simple Absolute ‘trust deed’) is fife, feod, feud, feudal tenant, (debtor in possession), peon, serf, slave (Blacks Law Dictionary Fourth Revised Edition)

      Please do not argue that I.R.S. 1040 tax is illegal, because it is not illegal to tax under voluntary implied private contract against a legislative corporately created person ‘inferior “c”itizen’ who is subject to excises. The rest of the discussion about persons and Persons gets boring, so I rest. . .

    • Carole July 14, 2011, 4:15 pm

      Steve – “The only question is – how did Man become an inferior corporate person equal to an artificially created ‘person’ incorporation of the state for/in commerce ?”

      From my research man has never become a corporation BUT his name did get incorporated so when you sign any form unrestricted you accept the liability for that corporation (i.e. the corporation known as YOUR FIRST NAME LAST NAME). You thereby “voluntarily” take on the liabilities and fiduciary responsibilities for the corporation that the State created (and thereby can regulate).

      Man has never been regulated or taxed, it is only when a man volunteers to take liability for a State created corporation that he becomes personally liable.

      Steve – “Please do not argue that I.R.S. 1040 tax is illegal”. I don’t think I argued that at all, I simply stated that ALL forced (and especially direct) taxation is theft. Again check your words – “voluntary implied private contract “. A valid lawful contract needs to have a meeting of the minds when did you ever get notice OR an option to NOT be considered “a corporate enfranchisee legislative creation subject to excises”?

      I thought so.

    • Steve July 15, 2011, 6:39 am

      The practice of Roman Civil Law under the 14th amendment – need more be said ?

  • Darren July 14, 2011, 1:03 pm

    The problem with the flat tax is that it is a tax, which is theft. There is no moral way to implement an organized extortion racket, flat, progressive, or regressive.

    The flat tax would still be a drain on the economy. Possibly less than the present income tax, but still a big negative.

    The answer is to eliminate the income tax & replace it with nothing. That’s the stimulus the economy needs.

    • Rick Ackerman July 14, 2011, 4:00 pm

      In an earlier commentary, I suggested a one-year moratorium on income tax. The spectacular boost this would provide to economic output might actually be sufficient to offset the weakness in the dollar that would ordinarily result from the attendant fiscal blowout.

  • Benjamin July 14, 2011, 11:50 am

    I think the only thing our government will agree to is anything, so long as it doesn’t tighten the “wiggle room” it has been enjoying all these years. That’s what this all comes down to. Government needs to be thrown into a maximum security rehab in order to cure its borrowing addiction.

  • Wesley July 14, 2011, 6:19 am

    I agree with John that all of this is theatre and the deal has been ironed out some time ago. The banksters are in charge and their wishes will always be served this side of a meltdown; afterwards anything goes but I think the powers that be really want to wait for the next president before sticking us really good again and that will really be a whopper.

    • John Jay July 14, 2011, 1:40 pm

      Wesley,
      Here is some political advice from a Roman politician from 2000 years ago. See if it rings any bells.

      “When the populace are suspicious about some popular and salutary measure, the statesmen when they come to the Asssembly ought not to express the same opinion, as if by previous agreement, but two or three of the friends should dissent and quietly speak on the other side, then change their position as if they have been convinced; for in this way, since they appear to be influenced only by the public advantage, they draw the people along with them.”
      From “The World of Rome” by Michael Grant

  • John Jay July 14, 2011, 5:23 am

    There can never be enough taxes collected to cover all the Federal debt, pensions, entitlements, welfare, warfare, subsidies, QE 3, etc.
    I think the DC gang has other plans and the current arguments about the debt are just a theatrical set up for the draconian actions they have in mind.
    I think a deal has already been made, and the dueling insults are part of the plan to screw us once again.
    I think DC will use some combination of ruthless cuts and foreign intrigue to hold off the day of reckoning.
    Here are some suggestions for what is to come.

    You can bet that if the DOD has war plans on the shelf for even old friends like England and France, (just in case) they have plans to save their financial bacon somewhere along these lines.

    1) Covertly create enough chaos in the Middle East and North Africa as well to help break up the European Union and the Euro. That should send a tide of safe haven money in our direction. It looks like we are well on our way to doing that.
    2) Turn on the crude oil flow from the Bakken field and any other large reserves big oil has been sitting on. I read about huge new fields “discovered” in Texas I believe. That cuts the trade deficit in half if they have enough crude on tap. If we don’t have enough crude, start a crash program to convert from gasoline to alcohol, just like Brazil. We never tried very hard to do that (thanks XOM et al). But there is plant life that will grow on marginal soil that will produce three or four times the alcohol that corn does. (thanks Monsanto and ADM)
    3) Make interest on Treasury paper tax free if rates begin to spike, there is still trillions parked in US retirement and savings accounts looking for a home.
    4) This next one is a long shot, but is remotely possible in a crisis. If push comes to shove, the MIC will come out on top. They could demand things like Freddie/Fannie/ FHA/HUD, Education, Agriculture, etc. get thrown under the bus to save Defense/Security spending. A good cover would be for DC to suddenly develop an interest in “States Rights” and the Enumerated Powers in the Constitution. I know they are looking for a way out from under housing quagmire right now. To paraphrase Joe Stalin “How many divisions do Fannie/Freddie have?” I know it’s not much money, but when you are swinging an ax, everything looks like a tree.
    5) Start making noise about what a threat China is.
    China is complaining about Pakistan, Ben’s money printing, our warships in the South China Sea, etc.
    Plenty of opportunity to start trouble with them and “Freeze” their Treasury holdings. Same goes for the Saudis if we can find enough crude/alcohol here and in Canada.
    Think like a criminal and I bet you can easily add lots of things to my list. If all packaged together in the right way, after a phony debt crisis stops Social Security/ Military checks for a week it would not be difficult to do.
    Think about the Patriot Act, TARP, Obamacare that were all sitting on the shelf waiting for the right crisis to implement. Obama is very likely practicing his speech right now on his teleprompter, in his best P T Barnum style. To be delivered with Boehner standing alongside him followed by smiles, handshakes, and back slapping all around for the cameras. Eat your peas America!

  • Rich July 14, 2011, 4:40 am

    Steve Forbes had two productive ideas that could have been implemented if he were elected President, the other being the balanced budget he knows as a businessman.
    Gave testimony to Bill Archer’s Ways and Means Committee on Replacing the IRS in 1994 that was published.
    Russia replaced their ineffective tax system with a 13% flat tax (except for oil companies) and hasn’t looked back, now the fourth largest surplus nation in the world.
    17 years later I am totally convinced a 28 basis point automatic payment transaction tax to replace the 1913 Fed IRS taxes, as proposed by Keynes, Tobin and even Summers at one time, with the balanced budget amendment, will restore productivity to America overnight by eliminating politics, unproductive compliance and broadening the tax base with the uniform tax required by our Constitution.
    Before traders object to a 56 basis point round trip, consider present transfer taxes, fees and commissions already exceed that.
    Here are the salient details of APTT:
    http://www.apttax.com/faq.php#pie
    Political economics bein g what they are, the failing IRS Tax System may not be replaced until America is in dire straits…

    payment

  • Erin July 14, 2011, 4:17 am

    What would be wrong with a flat tax? Are you kidding? Do we really need to put many more thousands of people out of work?

    How about getting to the real problem in this country? Does anyone in this country care about the ponzi scheme that the central bank is running? Until you fix that, you can put these other stupid ideas to bed because none of them will do anything for this country in the long run.

    When you continue to destroy the real value of the money you spend everyday then you need to make that up in your budget. Where is this going to come from? Are your wages going to go up? Are you gonna work more hours? Are you gonna spend less? Policy and new and improved ideas are not going to give people more buying power because it all continues to be offset by the continuous destruction of the real value of our money. Add in the massive piling on of debt and we have some serious carnage on our hands.

    Why not try something that might have a chance to actually work? Stop destroying the real value of the dollar and stop piling on more debt and for a change, live within our means! Inflation is completely out of control and needs to be stopped. We are piling trillions of dollars of debt onto the backs of the American people in exchange for anemic growth. Why is this completely overlooked everyday by the politicians and economic experts who try to figure out why the economy is not creating jobs or growing without stimulus? What is their answer to all this? Default again and raise the debt ceiling. Brilliant!

    So the inane ideas keep coming, day after day, week after week, month after month and on and on and on without addressing the real problems. It is completely baffling to sit here everyday and watch it unfold.

  • Jim Devenney July 14, 2011, 2:45 am

    Flat tax will be your worst nightmare. First it will start at palatable rate, like 10 or 15%. And then next year they will have to raise the rate because last year’s rate was not enough, etc.

    In 1960, the tax rates ran the gamut from 20-91%. The taxpayers in the 91% bracket started with those making $400,000. What’s to stop them from raising the flat tax to 30, 40 or 50% or even higher. This is on top of the gas tax, cigarette taxes, sales tax, etc.

    Lawyers and accountants get paid to keep their client’s taxes to a minimum. Before you start bashing them, how about the taxpayers in NJ who get reduced real estate taxes because they have a couple of horses or cows on their land.

    Ronald Reagan cut taxes and filled the coffers because the rates were low enough that it made worth your while to report all your income. The IRS has estimated that there is $300 billion of uncollected taxes due to unreported income. I wonder what that number will be when flat taxes are at the 50%?

    It is my understanding that the only time a politician is lying is when their lips are moving. So you can bet for sure, the flat tax will definitely increase despite what they are telling us now. And you probably will loose all your tax deductions on Schedule A.

    The only thing a flat tax will do is put the taxpayers flat on their backs.