Comic Relief from Bonnie-and-Clyde Wannabees

Comic relief came yesterday in the novel form of a Colorado shootout that put the until-recently-unheard-of Dougherty Gang behind bars and left gun-moll and self-styled redneck stripper Lee-Gracey Dougherty with an exit wound in her leg.  Only in America, as they say.  As we went to press early Thursday morning following an all-day outage of Rick’s Picks (and a thousand other web sites served by a Dallas data center that was hit by a power blackout), the Bonnie-and-Clyde wannabees were still the top story on Google news, proving that timing is everything if you want to be an overnight sensation.

Wall Street in particular must have welcomed the entertaining story of the Dougherty siblings’ interstate armed robbery spree, since, without it, the evening news would surely have been dominated by video clips of trading-floor denizens puking their guts out following a 520-point plunge in the Dow.  However, as of late Wednesday night, it would appear that the traders had lost little time trying to wrest back control of the headlines with their own brand of comic relief:  a 200-point rally in Dow index futures that was continuing into the wee hours on Thursday. We wouldn’t be so churlish as to admonish them for their newly reinvigorated faith in America, but shouldn’t someone break the bad news to them about the dire condition of Spain and Italy?

Meanwhile, the previous, huge dead-cat bounce, a 429-pointer on Wednesday, elicited in the Boulder, Colorado Daily Camera what may have been the most clueless headline concerning the economy that we’ve seen all year:  Fed Pledge Boosts Stocks.  So, did yesterday’s 520-point reversal perhaps occur because somebody discovered the Fed had crossed its short, slimy little fingers when it made that promise? The sub-headline was just as bad: Market Soars After Reserve Vows to Maintain Low Rates into 2013.  Just what we needed: another couple of years of interest-free borrowing by speculators from the nest eggs of grandma, grandpa, and 75 million Baby Boomers who until a few years ago actually believed they’d be able to retire at 65.  They still can, of course, provided they’re willing to subsist on the cat food, senior-center shuffleboard and afternoon matinées that the interest on a million dollars buys these days.

  • richard j August 12, 2011, 4:29 am

    Generational Blame is an interesting concept. No-one likes to think they have benefitted at the expense of another generation. We all have benefitted from the efforts of previous generations but the youth of today can certainly point to the 40-85 crowd and claim that they perhaps lived off the fat of the land when it was plentiful.
    I can look at my own parents and see a 55 fold increase in the value of a house purchased in 1961. Not likely to be repeated without Weimar consequence now. Tax laws, at least here in Canada have been a one way street in favour of my parents generation first, and my own second. Ditto with regard to our equivalent of social security, which allowed many seniors here to collect all that they ever paid in within a few years or less. One could point out that when I went to university it was heavily subsidized and our version of medicare was not. Today, it is the other way around. Two incomes mandatory today, not so in my parents time. ….and so on

  • richard j August 12, 2011, 3:35 am

    Rick A: I have been watching for signs that the ratio trade long gold/short gold stocks is unwinding and I think we have seen some evidence of that today, when ABX,GG,NEM closed at or near their highs in spite of declining gold price from day open to 4pm. Also, during the crazy aftermath of the Fed meeting when Wall St. communicated a pretty direct and immediate message to Bernanke, forcing, in my opinion the PPT to buy everything in sight and short gold and stop the rout.
    Gold stocks moved up while the metal dropped $40. Wednesday was an up 7% day for many gold stocks.
    Other interesting assists were the change to CME limits, CNBC giving unusual publicity to the rosier gold predictions earlier in the week.
    I am a boomer, semi retired about 10 years ago just shy of my 50th; never made huge money, never spent recklessly or lavishly, have traded gold stocks over 40 years and they are an important part of my retirement income.

  • Guest 7943 August 11, 2011, 11:34 pm

    …hmmm, LSD laced cat food? So, when exactly did you start hating your parents…
    Yo Mario, super post about your jazz piano gigs!

  • John Jay August 11, 2011, 7:53 pm

    Thanks Carol.
    There was a huge anti-war movement by the boomers with countless mass demonstrations and confrontations with the authorities. But the Vietnam war went on and on until even the most anti Communist hawks finally had enough of the slaughter.
    That and the fact that the mutinies and “fragging” , and My Lai type incidents were probably much worse than reported. All the inflation and jobs problems in the 60’s and 70’s were overshadowed by the Vietnam war.
    Today all the financial robbery is overshadowed by celebrity worship and Twitter. The boomers tried a lot harder to change things back then. The young people today either don’t know, don’t care, or realize they can’t change anything so why try. Maybe they are right to just party on while they can.

    • Robert August 11, 2011, 8:29 pm

      “The young people today either don’t know, don’t care, or realize they can’t change anything so why try. Maybe they are right to just party on while they can.”

      -I think you are onto something here, JJ…

      If a person who has no money, no job, and nothing that can be taken from them (via theft or taxation) , yet they can still find comfort in each others’ company, and they can still find the happiness to party, then perhaps part of the generational problem is that everyone assumes wisdom can only flow top-down…

    • mario cavolo August 12, 2011, 2:51 am

      this is the description of the life of most of the masses across the world. They can clearly see around them that practically speaking there is nowhere to go. They resign themselves emotionally and mentally to a simple, local life surviving day by day with a core of acceptance and resignation and some degree of contentment as long as there are no huge piles of painful stuff directly on the plate of their lives. They give up grand ideas and ambition and simply live as best they can within the local space and environment within which they were born. They live out the deck they’ve been dealt and they accept it without much fuss and this describes 80% of the world’s population. They, ahem, are the meek who will inherit the earth; certainly not the robberbaron elite greedy bastards who ruin the world around them for their own gain.

  • Jacques Redou August 11, 2011, 6:55 pm

    Lyndon Johnson’s Vote Buying Scheme – I think he called it the “Great Society” – has
    come full circle.

    You might find the following short article informative – How Fed.gov destroyed the Black Family:

    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:oCm2n51NRjIJ:www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp%3Fid%3D1261+illegitimacy+rates+2011+1999+%22african+americans%22&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&source=www.google.co

  • mario cavolo August 11, 2011, 6:10 pm

    Hey CME raised the gold margin, that could be a bit of a harbinger of things to come…

    • Robert August 11, 2011, 8:24 pm

      And 30 year auction hits the skids… yields spike, TBT flies.

      We live in whacky times, my friends…

      Today, Gold, the 30 year treasury, and the CHF are all getting hit hard.

      All Europen exchanges getting ready to ban equity short selling in unison, European banks facing deposit runs and on the verge of collapse, London landmarks being treated like kindling on a nightly basis… and the DOW rallying 400 points.

      I guess US stocks are finally taking their rightful throne as the last, and most stable Safe Haven… 🙂

      This liquidity driven slosh of hot money all over the world is pure insanity incarnate…

      Pure insanity.

  • Polo August 11, 2011, 5:09 pm

    “Comic relief came yesterday in the novel form of a Colorado shootout…” r.a.

    Since you all appear to find funny, violent modern stories (a la Bonnie and Clyde, or Clockwork Orange),
    here is one that will make you roll on the floor laughing–
    “RACE WAR AT WISCONSIN STATE FAIR.”
    (businessinsider.com)

    (and if you go to the weblink provided below, you will also read that several commenters say that this has already occurred at other state fairs, especifically mentioning North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Iowa).

    One of the posters even labels these type of events, the result of “Obama Time.”
    Interesting.

    But what I find most interesting of all, is WHY these (racially-motivated mass-beatings by organized large gangs of black kids) stories, are NOT national headlines news, on yahoo, msn, nbc, etc; but are only to be found, on seldom-read, small-audience websites.

    Yet, it is possibly because (as that poster stated), it truly is now, “Obama Time.”

    And I wonder how long it will take before it occurs on all U.S. big cities on a regular basis.

    Plus now, with worsening economy, these thieving and random racial-attacks, black-youth-gang situations.
    (Philadelphia is already having similar troubles, read http://news.yahoo.com/philadelphia-mayor-cracks-down-youth-flash-mobs-201942100.html )

    Here is the Aug. 5th “businessinsider” article.

    Enjoy.

    RACE WAR A WISCONSIN STATE FAIR
    Ricky Kreitner | Aug. 5, 2011, 10:25 AM

    According to witnesses, a group of anywhere from 30 to 100 young black men descended on the Wisconsin State Fair last night, beating fairgoers and looting carnival games, in what witnesses said were racially-motivated attacks, Milwaukee’s WTMJ reports.

    One witness named Eric, an Iraq veteran, said the attacks reminded him of war:

    “I had a black couple on my right side, and these black kids were running in between all the cars, and they were pounding on my doors and trying to open up doors on my car, and they didn’t do one thing to this black couple that was in this car next to us. They just kept walking right past their car. They were looking in everybody’s windshield as they were running by, seeing who was white and who was black. Guarantee it.”

    Another witness, Norb Roberts, corroborated that: “We were just like cattle being herded out of the park, and they were picking and choosing who they wanted to beat on,” he said.

    Officials have not yet given an estimate of how many attackers were involved or how many fairgoers were injured.

    Police and fair security officials were present at the time of the attacks, but not in sufficient numbers to stop the mob. Also, the Wisconsin State Fair Park Police only have jurisdiction within the fairgrounds, complicating efforts to bring the situation under control.

    Eric, the war veteran, recounted this brutal attack on one white teenager:

    “I saw them grab this white kid who was probably 14 or 15 years old. They just flung him into the road. They just jumped on him and started beating him. They were kicking him. He was on the ground. A girl picked up a construction sign and pushed it over on top of him. They were just running by and kicking him in the face.”

    “My wife pulled me back in because she didn’t want me to get hit. Thankfully, there was surprising a lady that was in the car in front of me that jumped out of the car real quick and went over there to try to put her body around the kid so they couldn’t see he was laying there and, obviously, defenseless. Her husband, or whoever was in the car, was screaming at her to get back into the car. She ended up going back into the car. These black kids grabbed this kid off the ground again, and pulled him up over the curb, onto the sidewalk and threw him into the bushes like he was a piece of garbage.”

    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/race-war-heats-up-at-wisconsin-state-fairwait-the-race-war-2011-8#ixzz1UjGevCsK

  • John Jay August 11, 2011, 4:36 pm

    Mava,
    I was around when Nixon took us off gold, and I was there when Johnson took us off silver. We did not get any say in that, any more than we did recently in the TARP fiasco which most Americans opposed. Most Americans are opposed to open borders and sending factories and jobs offshore. It doesn’t matter, there has never been a political party available to the average American to represent their interests, big money has always ruled. It’s been like that forever unless there is a violent revolution a la France in the 1700s or the Russian revolution in the early 1900s. What has been done to this country in the last three years is many times worse than what Nixon or Johnson did, and the response from todays young people has been to do what? Americans 30 years from now will be looking back and saying, why did they let it happen, just like you are today.

    • Carol August 11, 2011, 5:35 pm

      Here here JJ, if we the baby boomers were responsible for everything that happened over the last 30 + years than today’s society is responsible for what is happening now. Sorry Mava but the people throughout the ages have very little to do with what happens in society. It is the “Masters of the Universe” who set the agendas.

      Blaming the baby boomers is just another way to divide and conquer. You are playing into their hands.

    • Robert August 11, 2011, 7:13 pm

      I posted what I thought was an interesting question about Nixon and the Gold window on my personal Blog, aimed at all the “Gold is a rock with no intrinsic value” naysayers out there. The question is simply:

      If this is true, then why did Nixon close the Gold window?

      There are a great many people who profess to understand economics better than the “crazy Gold Bugs”, but they, in all their Keynesian glory, can never fully answer the question as to why the US gov’t cared that the Europeans were taking all of our Barberous relic out of our vaults, and why that fact spurred Nixon to take such radical action.

      I mean, if I was holding tons of a “valueless rock” and was paying people to guard it, and paying to build fortresses to store it, then It seems I would stand to save a TON of printed money if I just let it go…

      Right?

      Right?

      Anyone?

      Sir John Maynard?

    • ebear August 12, 2011, 1:55 am

      “If this is true, then why did Nixon close the Gold window?”

      Poor old Nixon…. the guy gets blamed for everything..lol.

      Me? I blame that pompous little pipsqueak de Gaulle. Where did he think the US trade deficit came from if it wasn’t Americans buying European exports? After two world wars that wiped out a huge swath of the global economy, what other customer was left to buy their products? How long would it have taken them to rebuild without a buyer of last resort willing to settle in gold? How long before the USSR overran their shitty little country if the US hadn’t stepped up?

      Americans addicted to free lunch? Try living in France.

      Meh.

      ebear

    • Mava August 12, 2011, 11:08 pm

      John Jay,

      I too had a desire to close borders. Stop offshore. Etc.

      I have since realized that it is impossible to do so, and more than that, it is immoral to do or to desire such things.

      I probably should not explain my position, because that wasn’t you point.

      But, I understand what you saying. I too, am very much opposed to bailouts, for instance. Now, fast forward 40 years, will my son or grandson blame me and my generation for bailouts? I thinks so.

      So, what a man to do?

      It is too late for boomers, of course, and in that sense it is unfair to them, for me to present my thoughts as some sort of answer now, but you have to admit, they too, had their own lifetime to think of this issues.

      I think the right thing to do is not trying to avoid the blame, but to do the right and just thing, and to fight till the bitter end. How does this translates into what we are talking about?

      As we have said, I can’t stop the bailouts. But, I can and will refuse to fund anything that I consider immoral. So, they can bail out all they want, but:
      -I refuse to shop and spend beyond absolutely vital
      -I refuse to borrow
      -I refuse to hold dollars (no taxing me by printing)
      -I refuse to pay more tax (I want almost zero services)
      -I refuse to create jobs (why, so Obama can say he did it?)
      -I refuse to obey (I withdraw my consent)

      By doing this, I will take away their power, for ignoring my word not to bailout the bankers.

      This subject is much like describing an army. They can draft me, if they can find me, but they can not make me fight. They can ignore my opinion that it is immoral to invade other countries, but their army is nothing with me just dragging my feet.

      This may end up bad for me. Acting out these choices will put me in the position where I am not “just having a life” as those who kneel and obey. But, at least I am not falling in with “majority”.

      What did the boomers do when the tyrannical administration employed their tricks to do bad things anyway? They obeyed. Why? I can’t swear on this, but my best guess is they have decided: “Oh well, everyone wants to do the immoral thing, why should I resist and be stubborn? They will do it anyway, it might just as well be with my help. I just want to get a normal life.”

      May-be it’s a new “fad”. May-be the modern generation had to have the previous generation “to become full of it” before this change could take place in people minds. But, I see a lot of people today making the decision to be very tolerant on freedom, and extremely intolerant toward everything evil.

      =============
      And besides this point, but the industry left us because they don’t want the “great society”. Blame the unions, regulation and minimum wages (minimum costs of labor). We should allow anyone in, as long as they hate the socialism and unions.

    • Robert August 13, 2011, 7:03 pm

      ebear,

      It was certainly not France’s fault:

      http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/the-nixon-shock-08042011.html

      It was the class same-o some-o of politicians denying unpopular truths in order to promote compromise as the ultimate acheivement of glory.

    • ebear August 14, 2011, 10:10 pm

      “It was certainly not France’s fault”

      No, but they’re a real easy target – kind of like the Boomers, wouldn’t you say? I mean, who doesn’t hate the French, right?

      In the end, I blame society.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKIaS0lh-uo

      ebear

  • fallingman August 11, 2011, 4:20 pm

    The war on savers…the war on the prudent…continues.

    In a world turned upside down by the Powerz…where “safe” investments guarantee you a loss…you almost have to be a “speculator.” Just another of the many signs of the collapse of the empire.

    • ebear August 12, 2011, 12:55 am

      There’s no such thing as a “safe” investment – never was, never will be. It’s the same fallacy as “real estate always goes up.” Smart people advance themselves by taking risks, not by sitting on their duffs expecting some bank to kick back a steady stream of income, come rain or shine.

      People that did well in my generation invested in the likes of Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Larry Ellison, etc. Feh… if I had a Tardis I’d send you all back to 1970 – see how well you do back then. Hell, I had to go to sea on oil tankers to get a decent paycheck. My buddy Mike went off to the arctic to build his stake. With the money we earned we bought a truck and went into the cartage business – 10-12 hour days. I’ve had two businesses fail and send me right back to zero, but I just kept on going because I knew I had no choice.

      Retirement? WTF is that? Where I live I see 70 year old Sikhs out picking blueberries or collecting trash from the side of the highway. Talk to some Philipina nannies next time you ride the bus. See what they have to put up with. Ask them about their retirement plans.

      Hey… here’s a song from MY generation that might clear things up a bit. You can listen to it on your ipod while contemplating where to place your next tattoo….

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO4wcNVbYOQ

      ebear

      PS: nice troll, Mava. Laughed so hard I nearly fell out of my expensive leather chair.

    • Robert August 12, 2011, 2:57 am

      Well,

      As ebear points out below, There has never been such a thing as a “safe” investment. All investment requires speculation. Whether you are speculating on a rise in price, or on a level of performance, the return from the investment is never flowing before the bet is placed…

      Prior to contrary opinion, speculators are not evil, and no investment class can yield guaranteed gains in perpetuity… These are just more lies meant to lull people into letting others think for them, similar to lies like “You don’t need to defend yourself- The state funded police are there to defend you, so there is simply no reason for you to need those guns- hand ’em over.”

      Altruism is a facade- Anyone who is doing something “in your best interest” is really doing the exact opposite, and they are doing it in THEIR best interest.

  • Other Paul August 11, 2011, 4:20 pm

    I’m reading the term “Financial Repression” for the first time:
    –low interest rates for borrowers, indefinitely
    –lower interest rates for savers
    –lower CPI adjustments to pensions, etc.
    –currency depreciation to payback bondholders with cheaper dollars

    With $30/hr jobs, for most, gone forever, and probably unreliable pension streams, the cat food phrase will stop being a joke.

    American Grandmas/pas are going to have to join the risk-on crowd to get any possibility for decent returns. Can bank CD rates go lower than they are now?

    I’m still waiting for the bank runs (here and abroad) to know when the end is near.

    P.S. Welcome back, Rick. Maybe some of those datacenter workers will be part of the first-time claimers in next week’s report.

    • Benjamin August 11, 2011, 6:06 pm

      “–currency depreciation to payback bondholders with cheaper dollars”

      And why not? When was the last time a bondholder used real money to pay for a bond? And who are the largest portion of bondholders, discounting the very ones who institutionalized the process we have today?

      But lest I come off as being all Mava-rick about this, I also think the good and fair thing to do is to deliver a manyfold cut to the corporate tax in exchange for a debt default. And while at it, do away with the income
      tax. Freeze all so-called safety-net programs, and use a flat sales tax to pay off those still owed by them.

      May not be perfect, but as far as things in a paper world go… I can imagine little better than that!

  • Mava August 11, 2011, 4:08 pm

    I don’t feel bad about boomers. This was easily one of the most evil generations Earth ever seen. Think about it. Who was it that left us with all the socialism? With the government completely out of control? Who created all this crony capitalism where bankers get bailed out? Who allowed Nixon to simply default on US obligations?

    And let us think of that rare kind of a boomer who was against all that I listed above. Should we feel bad about him/her?

    Hm…should I feel bad for a person who did not want to save any gold as his father undoubtedly told him, but instead, went on trying all the drugs under the sun and made sure that it is our generation that is chained up like a Texas prison gang to pay for all the years he did not want to save?

    The only “savings” he/she ever done was when the dealership put up a “get this and save” banner. In fact, forget the saving, this boomer generation was so lazy, they created the whole “trade-in” practice, they never cared to loose oh a couple grand on a “deal” as long as they could be done in a flash and back to drugs.

    Everything boomers ever done in their life was always of “easy” type. Easy “savings” with 401k and bonds. Government guarantees your investment. Don’t you take your precious LSD time to examine the fundamentals, just invest in tulips!

    Oh, but I forget, they were busy in life otherwise. Busy killing people in Palestine, so that there is a remote promise of kingship in heaven since they help the god-chosen race. Commendable? Busy killing people in about 30 other countries in the world for one reason only – dominance through pricing of oil in dollars.

    Building nuclear reactors all over the world, again, because that was the easiest path to solve the ongoing problems, never mind that all the future generations will now live in radioactive environment.

    What did boomers ever do, that was actually “haaarrrd”, as their favorite president once proclaimed they should do? Oh, I forgot, he wasn’t speaking of boomers doing any hard things, he meant “let us tax the hell out of our children through eating all our wealth and then going into debt, so that we can build a giant rocket, fill it with explosives, and send it to the moon, not unlike the productive activity the Pharaohs were known for.

    I think I might just pissed off about half of this forum. So, even though I only started to enumerate all the evil the boomers have done, and I haven’t even moved on to the unions who sold our manufacturing to China, I think you get my “drift”.

    So, seniors doing friskies, not such a bad idea, it seems to me. Besides, you’ve got to admit, they will love cat food. Since they already have impregnated the animal food with habituation drugs to keep the pets “on the brand”, they might actually feel like back in LSD years.

    • Benjamin August 11, 2011, 5:43 pm

      I’m only responding to this utter trash so that the OP doesn’t get the impression that everyone in this forum shares that sentiment (and that is all it is, for all the facts and history it doesn’t contain). I far from agree with anything you said, Mava.

    • Other Paul August 11, 2011, 6:05 pm

      Mava: “I don’t feel bad about boomers. This was easily one of the most evil generations Earth ever seen.”

      Tyrannical regimes’ enslavement, starvation, and slaughter of hundreds of millions of people, especially in Europe, Asia and Africa, over the past hundred years was, kinda, up there on my list of evil deeds in recent times.

    • mario cavolo August 11, 2011, 6:07 pm

      Mava, come off it. You’re being too rhetorical here, at the core you’re guilty of generalizing a whole generation of people, you’ve got no intelligent basis this time around…bad mood, eh?

    • Robert August 11, 2011, 6:56 pm

      Unlike Benjamin, I HAVE to reply:

      “I don’t feel bad about boomers. This was easily one of the most evil generations Earth ever seen.”

      – Evil requires deliberation. That is, the WILL to do harm to others. I think the Boomers were simply too naive to certain immutable laws that influence economics. They thought econ was all about sentiment and perception. This is juvenile, but not evil.

      “Think about it. Who was it that left us with all the socialism? With the government completely out of control? Who created all this crony capitalism where bankers get bailed out? Who allowed Nixon to simply default on US obligations?”

      Umm, most boomers were in Junior High or high school when Nixon did that, so the answer to your question is that the Greatest Generation (the boomer’s parents) allowed it.

      “And let us think of that rare kind of a boomer who was against all that I listed above. Should we feel bad about him/her?
      Hm…should I feel bad for a person who did not want to save any gold as his father undoubtedly told him, but instead, went on trying all the drugs under the sun and made sure that it is our generation that is chained up like a Texas prison gang to pay for all the years he did not want to save?”

      – A very broad generalization applied to the face of a single person is often indefensible. Even though you end with a question mark, there is not really a rational question here.

      “The only “savings” he/she ever done was when the dealership put up a “get this and save” banner. In fact, forget the saving, this boomer generation was so lazy, they created the whole “trade-in” practice, they never cared to loose oh a couple grand on a “deal” as long as they could be done in a flash and back to drugs.”

      -Again, to broad a generalization to capably defend- not all boomers did drugs, and there WERE those who saved.

      “Everything boomers ever done in their life was always of “easy” type. Easy “savings” with 401k and bonds. Government guarantees your investment. Don’t you take your precious LSD time to examine the fundamentals, just invest in tulips!”

      – Ok, that one was funny at least 🙂

      “Oh, but I forget, they were busy in life otherwise. Busy killing people in Palestine, so that there is a remote promise of kingship in heaven since they help the god-chosen race. Commendable? Busy killing people in about 30 other countries in the world for one reason only – dominance through pricing of oil in dollars.”

      – This could be defended as a valid point, since the American military machine did not really go ape-shit about oil until the boomers WERE firmly in charge.

      “Building nuclear reactors all over the world, again, because that was the easiest path to solve the ongoing problems, never mind that all the future generations will now live in radioactive environment.”

      -???? a rant?

      “What did boomers ever do, that was actually “haaarrrd”, as their favorite president once proclaimed they should do? Oh, I forgot, he wasn’t speaking of boomers doing any hard things, he meant “let us tax the hell out of our children through eating all our wealth and then going into debt, so that we can build a giant rocket, fill it with explosives, and send it to the moon, not unlike the productive activity the Pharaohs were known for.”

      Boomers = Pharoahs… hmmm I’d like to see that topic expanded upon.

      “I think I might just pissed off about half of this forum. So, even though I only started to enumerate all the evil the boomers have done, and I haven’t even moved on to the unions who sold our manufacturing to China, I think you get my “drift”.”

      – Damn those Boomer Unions !

      “So, seniors doing friskies, not such a bad idea, it seems to me. Besides, you’ve got to admit, they will love cat food. Since they already have impregnated the animal food with habituation drugs to keep the pets “on the brand”, they might actually feel like back in LSD years.”

      Shhhh… don’t give the conspiracy nuts a scented trail to follow- the LSD laced cat food is supposed to be a secret.

    • Mava August 11, 2011, 7:15 pm

      Yes, this was a very wide and thick brush. I can’t be right 100%, of course. But, I am about 75% right.

      I just think that since the evils of boomers are never mentioned, we must make “nice”. Someone, have to say this. So, let it be me. I’m used to being hated. Doesn’t bother me at all, and the people feel better having someone to hate.

      Mario, there is poetic justice to it. Do you see it?

      For if I am wrong regarding someone in particular, then there’s no big deal as I would be wrong and he will be spared.

      If there is a senior who wasn’t evil, who didn’t want to build a bigger government, who instead tucked away the surplus of every year of his productive life, and placed it in gold, then such senior should not fear the cat food.

      If this senior fought against communal life, then he saw this through long time ago, and acted accordingly.
      The disaster will only reach those who trusted Keynes and the plan to enslave the next generation.

      This “recession” should really be called “the Grass Hooper Autumn”.

    • ebear August 12, 2011, 12:07 am

      Dude. Pull up your pants, turn your hat around and get a job!

      ebear (e as in evil)

    • Steve August 12, 2011, 12:33 am

      I am sincerely sad that I put my life on the line day after day after day for the likes of this original writer.

    • TomInCarlsbad August 12, 2011, 1:51 am

      Mava’s rant exemplifies the feelings of many Gen Xers and Millennials. I don’t condone vilifying tens of millions of people with one generational archetype. At an individual level, its absurd. But that won’t stop a charismatic leader from using the deep anger of younger people to divide the populous along generational lines.

      These days, many people are wondering, “What’s the end game for the US?” My answer is that class warfare, like we’ve seen just start in the UK, will morph into a generational civil war in the US. The politicians will continue to pander to the boomers until working age people revolt and throw every boomer into a “retirement camp” with free health care, of course.

      I think generational archetypes could be a more powerful dividing force than race, religion, and nationality. I’m not advocating this scenario. I just have a hunch that it will become a rallying point for working age people as the decline continues.

    • Mava August 13, 2011, 3:44 am

      Steve,

      I never asked you to do that (whatever it is you doing).

      You might have a denial problem figuring out your real motivation.

    • Mava August 13, 2011, 3:50 am

      TomInCarlsbad,

      I don’t want that outcome, either. But, you might be right.

      On the other hand, Boomers enslaving their children starting with their birth (get SSN). What kind of response were they thinking to get?

      “Treat other as you would like to be treated” – can it be that boomers didn’t know this verse?

  • bobby August 11, 2011, 4:02 pm

    I would like to propose that “sea glass” become the next currency. A great deal of my time in retirement has been combing Florida’s beautiful treasure coast beaches. So far, I have not discovered any of the treasure coins, but have a nice collection of glass and fossilized shark teeth.

  • eric August 11, 2011, 3:19 pm

    this may stray off the retirement topic a bit but im in shenzhen china close to the port. in the last month, the containers have piled up. i stayed here in 2009 and even then it wasnt that piled up. i also lived in sf and would cross the bridge everyday and see the oakland port. my point is, in this past month, the shipping containers hve appeared and the ships since the start of august have just been sitting around. also we have the universaide games going on right now and the local police/security force has donned new olive green military uniforms. hey mario, same thing in shanghai?
    i feel bad about the american boomers,hopefully we are wrong, gold stays steady at lets say 1500usd, the jobs come back and the usd stays king.i feel worse that by the time if i reach the boomers age, i got some explaining to do to my sons and grandsons generation.

  • John Jay August 11, 2011, 2:33 pm

    Grandma and Grandpa will be lucky to afford a brand name such as Friskies. I don’t see it even in Walmart for under $.50 a can anymore. It is often $.60 a can in the big chains as they see what the market will bear. I have purchased brand name tuna fish for $.50 a can on sale, so catfood will be a luxury for seniors. Large Costco type packages of beans and pasta will be the way to go on a tight budget.
    Friskies Turkey Giblets will be strictly for special occasions like Thanksgiving. The same with $.50 candy bars that now go for as much as $1.19 a bar. Brought to you by the same folks who gave you ZIRP!

  • roger erickson August 11, 2011, 2:30 pm

    “shouldn’t someone break the bad news to them about the dire condition of Spain and Italy”

    ?? Pikers. Concentrate on France & Germany, not to mention the UK.

    Boston Tea Party, followed by London Bank Party?
    UK Looters Say of Bankers: ‘They Set the Example’
    http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2011/08/10-9

  • mario cavolo August 11, 2011, 2:18 pm

    Retirement: My Secret Life As a Jazz Pianist 🙂
    http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/AcqMr4STPZ0/

    Maybe I’m the luckiest dog on earth because I do realize that I may not be wealthy enough to “retire” when I head into my 60’s. Hence, that I am a competent jazz pianist is my saving grace; to have a decent lifestyle and income as a jazz piano musician in my old age. Overseas in Asia, the pay can be quite good and it undoubtedly beats the hell out of schleppin’ burgers to pay the bills.

    Let this story inspire any and everyone to ponder more creative how they can enjoy and earn a living as their life rolls on…

    Cheers, Mario

    • fallingman August 11, 2011, 4:17 pm

      If the request line is open, more Horace Silver would be nice. How about some Tadd Dameron…If you could see me now? Or some Jimmy Rowles…The Peacocks.

      I’ve always thought that in a sane world, musicians and comedians would be the highest paid, most exalted members of our society. Look at what they provide for us. But hey, the reward’s in the playing.

      Thanks M. Play on.

    • fallingman August 11, 2011, 4:26 pm

      You’ll dig this:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOpGRBtj5-I

      Only 1:49.

    • mario cavolo August 11, 2011, 6:23 pm

      yea, an artist’s life can be cruel…master players, these cats are geniuses from outer space barely makin’ a living…

  • Andrew August 11, 2011, 1:23 pm

    Benjamin: too bad about your dad. I salute your honesty in reporting that information.

    I am 82. Thanks to MLP dividends on well managed oil and gas companies, I am able to supplement my Social Security income so that I don’t have to eat cat food.

    My wife plans to work until she is 70. That’s a few years away. I married a young girl.

  • Benjamin August 11, 2011, 10:29 am

    ” …75 million Baby Boomers who until a few years ago believed they’d be able to retire at 65″.

    Nope, it was never going to happen. And I doubt that 70s is going to be the case, either. For one, wages will have to be not only frozen, but drastically cut as well. To give an indication…

    Around 1990, my father made about $30/hr (!) at his job. Plus FULL benefits (health, vision, dental). Today, it’s around $14, with just health insurance.

    Furthermore, I’ve only just learned that he’ll be “retiring” this Friday, at age 61, just a few months shy of his 62nd. He will not pass Go!, he will not receive employer-paid health insurance in his retirment years, nor will his pension grow to where he had hoped (which itself was a great reduction of his highest expectations (seeing as how, in recent years, he hadn’t expected to make it much past 62, employment-wise)). And he’s not entirely certain he will even be able to draw on that piddly pension, besides.

    So even age 62+ is off the table, for at least some of the 75 million ‘boomers. I suspect they won’t even be greeting burgers and flipping Walmarts til age 70. Can’t afford means just that!

    My father isn’t really retiring. He’s being canned. About the only thing going for him is zero debt and his employer’s promise to approve his unemployment pay until he becomes social security’s problem (in a few months). In other words, I can’t help but feel that “retiree” figures will be neatened up like unemployment figures already are today. If they’re not collecting unemployment, why, they’re not unemployed! And if they’re not collecting social security, well, then they aren’t retired, are they? Of course not. That is why many people will be “working until 70+”!