Why Obamajobs Is Dead on Arrival

If you thought Obama’s vote-buying “jobs” scheme was political bilge when he announced it last week, the plan sounds even less appealing now that we know how he’d like to pay for it.  For starters, in search of revenues, the president has returned yet again to his cherished notion that anyone making more than $200,000 is “rich” – i.e., in the same category as leftist envy-mongers put hedge fund managers and Big Oil.  Reportedly, tax breaks for all who fall in those categories, and in many others from which the government is already extracting more than 90% of its revenues, would be eliminated in order to offset Obamajobs’ supposed $467 billion cost.  Is it possible that when the President went to war with Republicans earlier this summer over raising the debt limit, he completely missed the main point of the discussion – i.e., that new taxes were off the table?  Op-ed supporters will undoubtedly claim there are no new taxes involved in the jobs proposal, only the elimination of existing tax breaks.  This is an argument we thought Obama lost when he tried to hike taxes to pre-Bush II levels a while ago.  Say this for the guy:  Like the die-hard disciple of hard-left rabble-rouser Saul Alinsky that he is, Barack Obama never gives up. We should have realized as much when he rammed health care legislation down our throats even though most Americans indicated they strongly opposed – still oppose – it.

Concerning the jobs scheme, who could possibly believe that the $467 billion would be well spent?  Outside the Keynesian lunatic fringe championed by Paul Krugman, we read mainly about the epic sums expended on each new job associated with Federal handouts.  At best, these jobs routinely seem to cost taxpayers many hundreds of thousands of dollars apiece, especially when the dollars are thrown at ostensibly “green” projects and firms. Thus do we read in a report prepared by the State of Illinois that the U.S. was eager to throw $8 million at developers for each and every wind job reported. This particular giveaway fell under Section 1603 of the stimulus bill, but it’s chump change compared to the $535 million Uncle Sam gave solar-energy firm Solyndra. The company recently declared bankruptcy and is under criminal investigation by the FBI, but the most disturbing part of the story  — more disturbing, even, than that Solyndra’s founders were big Obama campaign supporters — is that the Department of Energy had been allowed to sit in on the company’s board meetings as it went broke.  Under the circumstances, in the unlikely event Obamajobs is enacted, taxpayers will probably get far better value for their $467 billion if the recipients’ business cards are drawn from a fish bowl or selected at random from the Yellow Pages.

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  • richard j September 14, 2011, 5:29 pm

    Mava;
    We already have tariffs in the form of undeclared currency wars. The present system suits the elite and banking establishment. When the dust settles and free money/counterfeiting operations are suspended, and the only real source of capital is real money savings and real interest paid to foreigners if they deign to lend, then we will have to manufacture here once again.
    Free trade with Chindia is a fools game, as they continue to manufacture for increbibly low prices, sell to US off shore company who then prices in US domestic market at just under what anyone else charges for a good. Do you think in the transfer price scheme to the USA distribution network there will be much gross profit left to tax? Not a chance.
    The proof that an industrial based economy works well in America, is the 1950s experience where mom stayed home and Dad worked at the plant, and all was well.
    Would you not think that with mom and dad now working, or at least trying to, and with all the technological innovation replacing steno pools, etc, that we should be better off now than then as a nation?
    Who got the technological dividend?
    The free trade scam was promoted partly on the racist idea that our kids would all be doing higher and better skilled work. As if we need more lawyers, banksters, paper shufflers and guv employees.
    What is your solution for the average to less than average guy who wants to work under someone else`s direction? If he works for same wages as Chinese workers, how can he pay his way in this cost structure?
    Please explain how that would work?
    In my opinion, this could only work via Rick A`s crushing deflationary theory where a reset results in abrogation of debt, honest currency, and we set the dollar at the same level as the yuan.

  • rickj September 13, 2011, 11:21 pm

    It would be better to put up tariff walls and make things here. It is always better to have the youth of the nation and the families of the nation gainfully employed. The Japanese get that. Americans hope that their kids will somehow be one of the lucky ones who can be employed or start their own business and compete in a high cost structure with nations with a low cost structure and no respect for intellectual property.
    America has everything it needs to succeed in terms of geography and resources. The greed at the top is a killer. The lack of fiscal responsibility at all levels of government is an economy killer.Lack of leadership is a killer. The Fed is a killer.
    Everyone making more than $24k should be paying tax at some level.
    End the free lunch programs to banks, guv at all levels, and yes taxes. Fact: Government is in deficit. Solution: cut expenses and increase taxes. Sorry, no free lunch. Any solution has to involve balanced books.
    Too simple?

    • John Jay September 14, 2011, 12:22 am

      rickj,
      Too simple?
      Not all.
      Too late, is what it is now.
      Too many people on some sort of government dole.
      They are not going to vote away their dole money.
      Every day, their numbers grow, and our numbers diminish.
      That’s that!

    • mava September 14, 2011, 12:58 am

      Too Simple?

      Well, no, just wrong, IMHO. You can already do that right now. Just pay more than you asked to pay when you buy from domestic firm. That is all.

      This would have exactly same effect as the tariffs. But my guess is that you are not going to be content with that, and will probably want me to be restricted from buying from an overseas manufacturer. In other words, you would want all people to be violently forced to give preference to local manufacturer.

      That is easily achieved by socialism. For instance, let us take socialist nation of Russia. Their laws violently defend local automakers, to the point where to import a foreign car, one has to pay 100% tariff to the communists. As a result, a Russian car, has an “airbag” logo in the middle of the steering wheel, but actually no airbag, and when you drive over a puddle, the water ends up inside a trunk (where the huge spare wheel actually lays , – no, not below the trunk in the indent, – no, actually in the trunk). This is because Russian automaker can keep competitive parity with foreign manufacturers while producing a car that only a half as good.

      So, if you install ANY amount of tariffs, the end result is always the same – your domestic goods will be proportionally worse.

      Ultimately, why would you want to pay a lazy ass more, just because he resides here? If Chinese worker can make shoes for 10 cents a day, there should be no reason an American worker can not do that here. If not, if you contend that this is not true, then it must mean that some people are inherently better than others, racially. I don’t believe that. Individually, sure, but not racially.

      I think the only reason an American worker can not make shoes for those same 10 cents a day, is because he is either lazy, or his government is inflating the prices around him in order to steal as much as it can.

  • C.C. September 13, 2011, 8:21 pm

    In my mind, the snippet below is where the rubber meets the road:

    “The company recently declared bankruptcy and is under criminal investigation by the FBI, but the most disturbing part of the story – more disturbing, even, than that Solyndra’s founders were big Obama campaign supporters — is that the Department of Energy had been allowed to sit in on the company’s board meetings as it went broke.”

    The United States is a Large ‘ship’. A large ship must take on a lot of water before it sinks, but when it does, the event is horrific for everyone – including those who are lucky (?) enough to survive.

    When corruption bred by the coziness between industry and government (the classic definition of Fascism – not young idealistic adults slinging pop-psychology phrases at competing ideologies that their ignorance of facts precludes them of recognizing as valid), reaches the level that is outlined here by Rick, you need to start thinking ahead – way ahead. Ahead of handwringing over one’s investments or portfolio strategy, and into the realm of Doug Casey – seriously considering an alternate destination for your person, as well as your wealth.

    When corruption from the federal government’s long arm reaches this far, it is only a matter of time before the cachexis brought about by a nation reduced to feeding off itself, comes to your front door in a very unpleasant and forceful manner of confiscatory policy.

    Note a piece from shtfplan yesterday for a primer on what lies right around the corner for those living in a supposedly ‘Free’ Representative Republic. Fear is on the horizon for anyone who believes and acts in accordance with sound money principles and actions that support a lifestyle of fiscal prudence and self reliance:

    http://www.shtfplan.com/precious-metals/banks-governments-move-to-restrict-personal-gold-bullion-purchases_09092011

  • nonplused September 13, 2011, 7:20 pm

    Let’s not forget that most of the “tax breaks” that big oil supposedly receives are actually general tax codes that apply to all businesses. Removing the tax breaks for big oil is codeword for raising corporate taxes generally.

    Funny that. Obama’s perverse plan to create jobs involves raising taxes on employers generally.

    In reality there is no jobs plan, it is just another smoke screen to try and push through a tax increase and a little more “bezel” for campain contributers.

  • Jill September 13, 2011, 6:58 pm

    Wake up and do what? Vote for the corrupt Repub crony capitalist and his corporate welfare schemes instead of the corrupt Dem crony capitalist and his corporate welfare schemes? May as well turn over and go back to sleep.

    • redwilldanaher September 13, 2011, 7:31 pm

      This just seems like really old hat stuff to me. Barry, knowing that he’s a finger puppet, is simply offering up more nonsense to position himself politically in hopes of ruling for 4 more years. Who can blame him? Free Holidays for his wife and kids anywhere in the world and he gets to play golf for free on some of the best courses in the country. Gets to pal around with a bunch of other elitists and enjoy the fruits of the Vineyard. That has to beat impersonating a professor and letting someone ghost write a book another book for you, right?

    • DG September 13, 2011, 8:00 pm

      Wake up and at the very least admit Obama is a tool.

      There are other solutions beside crony capitalist republicans.

      What else can you do? You can either move or behave in a way that does not feed the system. Legally starve the beast. Seeing that the feds and the states are generally lacking funds, apparently this is happening.

  • DG September 13, 2011, 5:20 pm

    The Solyndra situation is criminal and should be thoroughly investigated. Kaiser’s hedge fund was the largest Solyndra shareholder, was Obama’s fundraiser (bundler), and also orchestrated the sleight of hand capital restructuring by making the govt’s loan (your money) subordinate to Kaiser’s….huh….equity over debt….that’s a good one…
    This is criminal and is a monster-sized middle finger to every taxpayer and Obama voter. Folks should demand some thorough investigation. Who knows how many other start-ups were denied VC money because other VC money went to Solyndra because it had the seal of approval from the Whitehouse? VC capital is finite. If Obama allowed Kaiser to buy his way out of his bad bet on Solyndra and stick it to the taxpayer, Obama was bought and you were screwed.
    Sounds like damages all around to me.
    http://blogs.reuters.com/muniland/2011/09/09/the-presidents-argonaut/

    At what point will folks wake up? You got screwed on the banker bailout (W and BO), you got screwed on GM, you got it on healthcare, and now you are bailing out bad VC bets. Wake up.

    • John Jay September 13, 2011, 8:52 pm

      When will they wake up?
      Never. The average American is a bankrupt, brain dead, MSM swilling fool. Can’t see beyond the next NFL game (men), or Oprah type show (women).
      The handful of people that see the truth will never wake up the 66 million that voted for (Spare)Change Obama. Dis-engage and make all the money you can, financial security is your best friend.

  • Tommy September 13, 2011, 4:51 pm

    How about the USPS stop giving enormous subsidies to all the JUNK MAIL senders out there. Charge them the full .44 per ounce rate that we mere mortals have to pay. It might just cut down on all the wasted trees/paper that goes in the circular file (trash) everyday and fills our landfills.

    • DG September 13, 2011, 5:32 pm

      amen on the junk mail. By observing my own mail for the last few decades, I would estimate that we waste scads of money on junk mail so that we can get gouged on first class stamps. How else do you explain “bulk rates” Last time I checked the expense was in the fuel to move the material. Work is a direct function of distance and force (weight times gravity)….hence, it is all about the weight.
      If our politicians really gave a rip about the environment they would demand a fair postal rate on junk mail, taxing them for their enormous carbon footprint, no….they do not care about being green…so neither should you.

    • Benjamin September 13, 2011, 6:24 pm

      @Tommy, DG

      I guess they had to clear all that forest to have a place to put all them solar panels and windmills.

      Anyway, it would just be better if the postal service wasn’t allowed to handle personal mail at all. That way, we mere mortals wouldn’t have to pay that much to send/receive documents, records, and other correspondence with our government. Oh, and we wouldn’t have to support 1/2 a million employees and 1/4 million vehicles anymore. Wouldn’t have to bother with all the printing to pay for all this crap, either.

      I feel free-er and richer already!

    • mava September 13, 2011, 7:24 pm

      Don’t get me started on USPS nasty habit of using my mail box as a source for their dirty money!

      I have yet to use a single coupon or to respond to a single ad in all that junk they stuff in my mailbox, and yet, the USPS is getting paid for trashing my mailbox!

      The solution is simple, but it will never be allowed to become a law, as it will make the world honest, and that means all the scammers will have to think of something else to do.

      Simply declare that one’s mail box is his private property, and to get into that box, a fee must be paid, a fee decided by the box owner. Same goes for text messaging or email, it is all the same.

      For normal correspondents, this will cancel out, for some there will be no reason to have any fee, and that would be their business, but to get anything into my box, you’d have to add say 20 cents an ounce. If junk mailer thinks that’s too much, oh well, I guess I won’t be getting my mail today… And if he thinks it’s worth it, then I will get paid for disposing his junk. You want to send me an email? Fine, that would be $1.50 please. Problem solved. Since my ISP is the one delivering the mail, they pay me, and how they are going to recoup this from “invisible hacker” is their own business. Consequently, they will only accept paid email, which will put the junkmailers out of business overnight.

    • John Jay September 13, 2011, 9:00 pm

      Tommy,
      You are right about the junk mail. I have also read that USPS expenses are 80% wage and salary, compared to 50% for UPS and 35% for FedEx.
      My friend that has worked there for over 40 years tells me they are way top heavy in supervisors. He also said that the sorting machines are so efficient they hardly need any people. They can’t lay off or retire the old timers, so they have 80 year old USPS janitors that play cards all day long and will hang on until they die. I don’t know how much real estate USPS owns v lease, but it should be worth some cash if they shut down thousands of POs. Think it will be given away to their friends? I wonder.

  • PhotoRadarScam September 13, 2011, 4:28 pm

    The government has yet to create jobs in a cost-effective way. Previous bills have created jobs at a cost of something like $200k each (or more)… might as well just have lottery drawings for $200k prizes. The proposed amount is almost $1500/person.
    So again, we’re just going to (try to) raise taxes just to turn around and waste the money. We are doomed.

  • mava September 13, 2011, 7:36 am

    Yep, Rick, Obama never gives up! I think he understand his task pretty clearly is to inflate, inflate, inflate by any means necessary. Make prices go up, in hopes that many dupes would take the rise in prices as “profit”, not accounting for the bottom line. Hoping also that in light of new inflated revenue figures (as revenues are function of nominal prices), the debt would seem less and less significant. Of course.

    On jobs, however, I agree with Peter Schiff analysis, that his plan would dramatically increase turnover. This is such a good present to those businesses who hire exchangeable minimum wage workers, it would be really hard to pass it up. Especially the scam Obama figured out how to use Veterans for turnover.

    Somehow, that would let him to increase the paper employment figures, even though for each employed through his scams, one will be layed off!

    I am kind of sad for the veterans he wants to use in the scam, but, on the other hand, they wanted change, and they will be getting it alright.

  • Rich September 13, 2011, 4:49 am

    DOA indeed.
    Shovel ready her Fannie Mae.
    We have a Fed storm sewer project at a busy intersection down the hill that took the whole summer to remain unfinished, proving yet again that government workers are paid by the hour, not for the result.
    Anyone who saw the CNN GOP debate in Tampa knows 0 politics are so passe’ he may be a historical footnote like Carter.
    My guess is Santorum may be next to drop out after his unseemly “Patriot Act” style attack on Ron Paul leading to boos for explaining American military presence on 900 bases in 130 countries and a million DU deaths and birth defects the last twenty years is only slightly less annoying than Chinese military occupation of American cities and companies would be for the next ten years.
    Corporate welfare monopoly media can fool some of the people some of the time, but…

  • Benjamin September 13, 2011, 3:46 am

    “Under the circumstances, in the unlikely event Obamajobs is enacted, taxpayers will probably get far better value for their $467 billion if the recipients’ business cards are drawn from a fish bowl or selected at random from the Yellow Pages.”

    I was just gonna say that, Rick! Or close to that. I was thinking of that $100 billion that Bush II authorized back in 2008, which was to be divided up betwen the roughly 100 million households in the country, so we could (then) save our economy from getting this bad. It did exactly squat, but it did less squat than these humungous wastes in “green” jobs. And speaking of which…

    I’m sure readers have heard by now that the USPS will be shutting down this winter, due to a large multi-billion dollar expense that it hasn’t the ability to pay. Something like $5 billion, which probably means it’s much worse than the USPS is letting on. But unlike these Obamajobs, the USPS is actually a justified government service. Now, I didn’t say the modern-day USPS wasn’t abusive in many ways, on many levles. Only that the USPS itself is a legitimate government expenditure. And it’s broke, from all sorts of illegitimate spending, both internal and external of it. All the while, all this focus on a jobs bill that an Executive has no power to create and urge the passing of in the first place. For that matter, Congress is not supposed to worry itself with creating jobs either.

    We’re so malinvested because our country is _so inbred_ with reptilian and rodent DNA. We’re so depressed because of it 🙁

    Or are we? Could it be that the only thing that is really rotten is the illegit system and illegal FRN? Are we otherwise fine and able, beyond that? I think so, but we’ll see what we shall see…

    • Steve September 13, 2011, 6:10 am

      Ben, Friend is retired disabled Nam vet who went to work at the Postal Service and retired again, and then filed for his social security. This guy said the Post Office, a constitutional entity, did not pay his pay checks when I picked on him about triple dipping the government. Guy said he didn’t work for the Post Office and the postal service wasn’t real government because his check was not from the Federal Government. What say now, who’s the one to trust ? The guy next door or the liar in Liberman’s office ? I read an article that said the postal service was trying to get out of a special federal retirement program, etc. & etc. etc. Now, the service could not be getting out of some federally mandated retirement if they wuz the guvermunt of a constitutional Post Office, yes. I once had a letter from the Post Master General saying he occupied a constitutional office where Registered Postal Matters traveled, and a second that oversaw the postal service were certified matters circulate. Still looking for the letter – maybe I’ll find it tomorrow.

    • Benjamin September 13, 2011, 7:42 am

      Steve,

      Well, if it looks rotten on the surface, chances are that the rot is more visceral. I can’t comment on the deeper matters you’ve presented, but on the surface… doesn’t look to be the same USPS as conceived by Mr. Franklin. Nor as written in the Constitution, which says only post offices and postal routes. That came to mean a monpoly on price-fixed door-to-door service. And that monopoly/fix is said to be what makes it all possible. Sounds like a heap of bull, to me. No, scracth that… a heap of expensive bull. I guess that’s what you mean by triple-dipping. Tax “dollars”, borrowing, and other, direct charges?

      Anyway, routes and offices. From there, people can either pick it up themselves or have a private courier deliver. Barring that, how about the USPS only deliver official government “business”? If it doesn’t come from or go to a government office, then the USPS can’t deliver it.

      Sounds pretty cheap and legit to me!