What Happens When Greek ‘Austerity’ Fails?

Eerie, isn’t it, watching the U.S. stock market dog-tail the headlines stirred up by Europe’s never-ending financial crisis. The mainstream media would have us believe that whatever U.S. stocks do on a given day can be attributed to the latest news concerning Greece. In fact, the world’s newsrooms are sinking deeper and deeper into hallucination, since nothing has occurred to alter Greece’s inevitable slide toward default. Halfway into yesterday’s NYSE session, the financial headlines at Google news were telling us that stocks had fallen because of supposed uncertainties over Greece.  An hour later, when stocks rallied to end the day slightly higher, we learned that the “zigzagging” price action had been caused by a series of “conflicting headlines” concerning European debt. Merkel and Sarkozy were not to blame for this, either, since all they did was issue a joint statement that EU leaders would have a bailout plan for Greece in place by Wednesday.

We can hardly wait to see what they’ve come up with. But if it triggers more riots in Athens, how are investors supposed to react?  A few months ago, rampaging torch mobs were seen as evidence that austerity measures imposed on Greece were sufficient to satisfy lenders. Now, however, lenders should fear that any futher tightening will send the country irretrievably into civil disorder and chaos. It would be naïve to think that such a spectacle would not have its effect on Occupy Wall Street. But riots? We’d bet against it, at least for the foreseeable future. The difference between Greece’s mobs and America’s emerging tent cities is that the latter are coming to austerity one small step at a time rather than having it shoved in their faces via government edict. But that is not to say that America’s descent has been imperceptibly gradual. That may have been true until a few years ago. But not now, especially with the recent revelation that household incomes fell 10%, the steepest decline since the 1930s Depression, after the recession supposedly ended in June 2009.

Can the spinmeisters can keep this game going indefinitely, as some seem to think? We’d bet against it.  One of these days, we’re all going to wish we’d done more to prepare for what is coming.

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  • CHris T. October 24, 2011, 5:09 am

    Mava,

    that makes sense, and adds well to my comments above.

    I also agree with your bank comment, however, it didn’t take them long to make this their own.
    After all, don’t forget, the stuff they were forced to take on, as you point out, was dumped on some other unsuspecting slob immediately through slice and dice.

    Ultimately, deregulation was just rolling back what was regulated under FDR.
    Because it comes from FDR, NOTHING good should be seen there, he was a terrible president, as was his / his masters’ agenda. Who they were is easy to see, he was a member of their class, and NEVER a traitor to them.

    The root cause then and now is 1913, the Fed. Reserve Act, without it, no roaring 20s, no “great depression”, no fake Bretton Woods, cert. no 1971 shuttering, and so on…

  • ProfitsOn October 23, 2011, 6:33 pm

    Greece’s default is just postponed.

    There are not other options, at the moment. The month of March 2012 could be the deadline.

    The debit is huge and increasing. Greek’s society is fed-up with the austerity measures.

  • mava October 23, 2011, 6:00 pm

    Those who believe that the root of ongoing disaster was the deregulation, would do well if they recall that prior to deregulation, the government was demanding that the banks do issue loans to those who would never qualify for a loan, if they happen to be the minorities. Remember that?

    What were banks saying? They were saying that they can’t do that, as to carry imprudently issued loans would be a suicide.

    What did the government told them to do? It told the banks two things: “Find a way”, and “We will purchase the loans, don’t you worry”.

    So, let us have a long, cold memory, and never forget what the government did, no matter what they are saying today, and who they are trying to blame.

  • mava October 22, 2011, 7:22 pm

    ChrisT,

    Yes, I noticed this too, about OWS. However, this makes me think they are backed by the CIA. The more I look at them, the more I am sure of it.

    I completely agree with you on the police/army. They are never on the side of the people, because if they were, then it would be much easier for them to materialize their objections by simply quitting. That is not going to happen.

    In every revolution that has a tyranny as it’s goal, you can see the army and the police on the side of the revolution. They usually know which way the wind is blowing, and here is why and how: early organizers and agitators of the new regimes do speak to the sociopaths first, and directly explain and make future deals with them. This is safe, as sociopaths are not known for whistle-blowing, since they care only about themselves, they don’t even have a conflict trigger in their mind when “hey, what they told you is not what they told me” happens.

    It happens so precisely, that one can almost predict what is this new revolution really is, by looking at which way the enforcers align.

  • Jill October 22, 2011, 2:28 am

    Rich, does the market usually go straight up when the Big 4 are short it?

    • ful_karboy October 24, 2011, 6:17 pm

      “Ideology is an interesting thing”

      Yes… and that includes your pick of the “Mother Jones” quote
      http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/printgroupProfile.asp?grpid=6959

      Austrian School vs Frankfurt Scuhool?

      Still, my point that community activists, aided by Dem congressminions, forced banks to lower loan standards during a housing bubble, remains unrefuted. Business does bear some blame for not checking more deeply into David Li’s Gaussian Copula Function which WAS based on the historical CDS default rate. Lowering the loan standards, increased the defaults in the underlying bonds and BOOM!

      http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/magazine/17-03/wp_quant?currentPage=all

      Some of the “rich” lost their arses on that… as well as the pensions of the proletariat which the Left continues to attack with it’s jihad on “corporations”.
      Comrade barry has been great for nimble PM investors ;>)

      Not one lib I’ve sent this link to has watched these excerpts from the hearings CNN covered… This was back ikn 2004 when it may have been possible to stop the crash…

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs

  • Rich October 22, 2011, 2:22 am

    FWIW:
    NDX joined Dow as a Big4 short today…

  • ful_karboy October 21, 2011, 10:32 pm

    “After 3 years of economic calamity and citizens job upheaval can you really justify corporate practices?”

    I seriously doubt that “corporate practices” have changed very much in the last decade and they should be congratulated for increasing their capital reserves. So should the minority of Americans who saw this coming and invested accordingly. I doubt you’d find any of them at the OWS whinefest/slum.

    Dem Congressminons forced the banks to lower credit standards in the middle of a bubble, aided by the Fed keeping interest rates too low too long. The crash was just a matter of time. Gov cap gains tax exemptions on one’s “primary” residence also aided the bubble.

    “Record profits across the board on the backs of workers.”

    I picture you typing that with one hand while you’re waving a fist around, seated under your favorite picture of Karl.

    Well run outfits are doing OK while poorly run ones go BK. Subsidizing failure by taxing success got us where we are now. Big Gov bribing the naive and/or lazy to get reelected and taking an increasing chunk of GDP to do so, while churning out endless make-work regulations will extend this recession just like fdr’s similar DEMagoguing and micro-managing did in the 30’s. Just another bout of crony socialism.

    Meanwhile “the workers” pension funds dip from the assault on corporations and this regime’s mindless anti-business diatribes.

    Just wait till “Atlas Shrugs”…

    • Jill October 23, 2011, 6:22 pm

      Interesting, Full Carboy. I picture you typing this with one hand while you’re waving a fist around, seated under your favorite picture of Ayn.

      Ideology is an interesting thing. It’s very sharp and clear. And it pushes the real world into the background, making it a blur except for one or two very carefully selected facts that are selected because they are consistent with the ideology. And by finding 2 damning facts about Dem Congressmen and no damning facts about Republican politicians, you can also use Ayn Rand’s ideas to support the current status quo of incredibly corrupt crony capitalism. All faults are laid at the doors of the Dems who supposedly practice “crony socialism”– and crony capitalism is thus ignored.

      In reality both Dems and Repubs have messed us over with cronyism, and our best hope is for a functioning 3rd party.

      Wikipedia on Ayn Rand is interesting. One quote:

      “Mother Jones remarked that “Rand’s particular genius has always been her ability to turn upside down traditional hierarchies and recast the wealthy, the talented, and the powerful as the oppressed.”

      My heart just bleeds for poor widdle Goldman Sachs and other such powerful companies and their lobbyists, as they rob the taxpayer blind– as when Goldman got the taxpayers to bail out AIG so that Goldman could get 100 cents on the dollar of the money owed them by AIG.

  • Chris T. October 21, 2011, 5:26 pm

    Radek:
    “To me it seems like a bunch of average joes who only understand small bits and pieces of the situation, but have decided to protest against…’something’. ”

    Please see this very interesting account about the OWS:
    http://www.theburningplatform.com/?p=23205

    Like you, I had thought the “movement” to be of an uninformed, just-protest sort, and thought what a shame.

    But it is not, as you will see from this important commentary.
    The pictures, esp. of the signs, say a lot as well.

    Anyone here who wants to get a better feel for these protesters, I encourage you to take a look at it.
    (it is long, but once you start, you will read it through).
    Even if not, look at all the photos.
    Made me change my mind about it….

    • Seawolf October 21, 2011, 6:48 pm

      The OWS looks more like sheep in a pen than protesters occupying and holding newly won turf.

    • Chris T. October 21, 2011, 11:54 pm

      Maybe, but what the link shows is that this is not the left-wing, loser bum, uninformed crowd that the MSM is portraying.
      Gives me reason for hope….

    • Seawolf October 22, 2011, 12:20 am

      Sheep in a pen are not very interesting. They are a novelty at first, but after the novelty wears off the boredom will set in and then they will just evaporate.

  • Chris T. October 21, 2011, 5:14 pm

    “How many divisions does Goldman Sachs have?”

    The headquarters of their divisions is just across the Potomac in DC, and happens to be the largest office building in the world…

    Here in the N.E., we always bitch about the high cost of “”public servants” and blame it on their unions, for extracting so much from the (property) tax payers.

    But really, the high compensation, compared to those working outside of government, esp. for those wielding the state’s guns (inside the US, those sent abroad are paid piddling amounts unless they are “contractors”/mercenaries) is desired by their employers.

    Why should the gun wielders stateside side with the protesters, when their bread is buttered by the ones being protested against?

    That, and the “status”/power-trip they enjoy will keep them firmly on the side of the opressor. We tend to think they are one of us, but the jobs themselves attracts many with a sociopathic personality, there is a clear self-selection bias in favor of inhumane treatment of mere “citizens”.

    What else would posses someone as high up as Deputy Commiss in NYC to blast young women in the face with pepper spray, other than a sadistic streak, or a “I’ll give them what they deserve for disobeying me” attitude?

    His excuses are probably not even a forward defense, he prob. actually believes himself to have been in the right.
    Same goes for the legion of taser-torture of people already down on the ground.

    As much as all the above applies even without any input from the system, that system has actually cultivated this us-vs.-them attitude.

    So, I wouldn’t hold my breath about anything like the Greek or Portugese army’s/police’s position re. their future conduct against protesters.

    And this isn’t new, think Kent State, or NYC Draft Riots…

    • John Jay October 21, 2011, 5:48 pm

      Chris,
      About Goldman Sachs controlling our military.
      While I am sure that the CIA types are on the ground in both Portugal and Greece, I doubt we would send in US troops to attack NATO members. Turkey has already had it with the USA. Russia and China are waiting for us to do something stupid in Syria or Iran. They are playing chess while we play Rambo. There are now thousands of shoulder fired anti-aircraft missiles on the loose in Libya, some may wind up in AfPakIraq to haunt us there. We are already so overstretched that the US Army is recruiting increasing numbers of foreign nationals to be cannon fodder for us. We have recruiting offices all over the globe. As far as the military in Greece or Portugal turning on their own people, in a similar situatution in the Phillipines, the military did side with the people when Marcos was ousted by mass demonstrations. It is not unprecedented. I hope it happens that way. Someone needs to rein in the blustering bankers, and it doesn’t seem likely it will be the US.

    • Chris T. October 21, 2011, 11:51 pm

      Yes, the Phillipines are another example.
      But my point is that I just can’t see that happening here, if it ever gets that far, and for the above reasons.

      Don’t forget:
      Esp. in the Phillipines, the soldiers could realize that being on the side of the tyrant was being on the wrong side, but when tyranny comes in the guise of the benevolent, this so-called democracy, it is really, really hard to see it, even harder to let go of its hold.

      Just my bleak take on this, confirmed by the ever degenerating state of our “public safety” servants.

      Actually I may be too pessimistic with resp. to the military, but NOT with respect to the domestic power:
      Ron Paul, again, is the largest recipient, counted by donors and organizations they belong to within the military, that shows great understanding within our soldiery of what he stands for, and the issues themselves.

      But I would bet, that from domestic cops, hardly a donation.
      And no wonder, see my soldier-wage comment above viz the cop-wages.
      And how could it be different:
      If you are a soldier with a conscience, such as Bradley Manning, or countless others, how could you not see the lies day in day out, and the utter folly of your mission?
      Only those rambo-types such as in the famous helicopter massacre in Iraq with the Reuters journalist are immune to this (“let’s kick some scum’s ass”), and if they make it back, they become the kind of cop I mention above, and well paid for it.
      A donut never tested so good after a steady diet of MRE’s.

  • Bam_Man October 21, 2011, 4:57 pm

    What happens when Greek austerity fails?

    IMHO, the Germans announce that they are “temporarily” leaving the Euro and re-introducing the Deutschmark.

    This clears the way for the ECB to implement ZIRP and embark on a QE (monetization) program large enough to free the PIIIGS from the compound debt traps they are now stuck in.

    IMHO, this is the only “solution” to the current problem and is not politically feasible so long as Germany is in the Eurozone.

  • Larry D October 21, 2011, 4:55 pm

    Gar, you have an inverted understanding of the **hisssss** capitalistic hiring process. After observing GM lurch toward oblivion, I should think you would understand that a company of any type (or size) doesn’t hire simply to spend cash, then expect to stay solvent. Perhaps you work for a government agency, in which so-called fund accounting dictates a spending level to the extent said agency has money to cover costs. Use it, or lose it, as they say.

    If I recall the Keating scandal, it was the politicians that were in it neck deep. You have the enchanting belief that the pols are going to pass laws to prevent themselves from lining their pockets with the result of their corruption, or ‘greed’.

    Here’s to a Constitutional Amendment to prohibit all forms of greed! Who could oppose?

    Larry D,
    CPA

    • gary leibowitz October 21, 2011, 5:32 pm

      “Gar, you have an inverted understanding of the **hisssss** capitalistic hiring process. ”

      I guess I do. After 3 years of economic calamity and citizens job upheaval can you really justify corporate practices? Record profits across the board on the backs of workers. The current P/E ratio is rather tame at around 16 times earnings. This after doubling stock prices and record profits.

      Perhaps you can understand why people are demonstrating. Corporate America has gotten the greed bug. A bug that seems to linger on and on.

      How can anyone justify this new corporate paradigm?
      Surely its time they “gave back” or at least reverted back to “normal” treatment of workers. Just ask anyone who works for someone else how their job function has changed. How stress is now a common outcome of working. Longer hours, less help, more stress, less job security.

      And this is just the beginning. Wait till the final shoe falls. Forget class warfare. The robber baron days are coming back.

      *****

      Gary: Did you receive my e-mail? If not, please contact me at: rickack@pobox.com

  • mava October 21, 2011, 4:46 pm

    Greek may or may not fall, although, of course, it absolutely should fall. It is clear that the EU will unleash the money printing to cover any and all problems. The people will be made to bailout every last bank that was too risky in earning the bonuses. And they should, because they are too stupid.

    I believe that the people of Europe will want the bailouts, just as the people in US. The only question is how much procrastination we are going to see, on the way to the “total solution”.

    This is almost too funny to observe. Already, there are films made to exonerate the big thieves, and to explain to prollies that this was something unforeseeable, and extraordinary. Really? How come I knew about all this way before it happened? I must have been that proverbial “stopped clock” that is right twice a day. Except, I also knew the approximate timing of the beginning of a visible collapse.

    Take the “Meltdown”. Watch it on you tube and be amazed how bravely various bank CEOs and Hank Paulson were “fighting” to stop the disaster. All the way to reaching “the tough decision” that the people should bailout the players. Ha-ha, omg, lol! This will be probably thaught to the next generation of stupid children.

    So, let us welcome the austerity measures. They are necessary to keep our governments in power. What you don’t like them? You could not stop the bailouts because the government did it anyway? Right. But, you did want the FED and irredemable money. You did not want the true hinest money that would make the bailouts simply physically impossible, no matter what that Hank wanted.
    Without the bailout, the Hank Paulson had to have a lot of Austerity, along with his overleveraged friends.

    But, that was not to be. So we shall welcome the austerity. We should eat it so much that we could get a true taste of paper money.

    Greece? All PIIGS will fall. Eventually. They will fall from hyperinflation, not defaults (unless one of them will be made an example in order to insure hyperinflation), and then it will be us. Any rich connected leach worth his salt can survive hyperinflation, none can survive deflation. It is opposite for the people.

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    Mava: Did you receive my e-mail? If not, please contact me at: rickack@pobox.com

  • fallingman October 21, 2011, 4:31 pm

    Gary,

    Do you honestly not get that this system is a hybrid?

    It’s part “capitalist” to be sure, but in a less corrupted capitalist system, the urge to take excessive risk would tempered by the prospect of catastrophic loss.

    Not so in this corporatist system where your government prevents its sponsors from losing. So, why wouldn’t they leverage themselves up and shoot for the moon?

    The corporations you criticize and the government you defend are partners in the same firm…USA, Inc. To pretend that they are not conjoined twins is to miss the point in the most profound and meaningful way.

    Call it casino capitalism…or crony capitalism…or degenerate late-stage capitalism if you want to. But it’s not really capitalism. You’d be more accurate to call it state socialism, corporatism, fascism lite…and getting more authentic every day.

    I prefer the term corporatism, but capitalism it ain’t. To point the finger at “capitalism” is to blame the guy who’s credit card was stolen for the wild spree the thief went on.

    • gary leibowitz October 21, 2011, 5:17 pm

      Corporations in the 50’s did not have the political control they do now. As good times roll in as a result of all the virtues of capitalism, so does greed and corruption. These vices always gravitate to the most influential, the people that control Washington.

      I never said I defend out government for its actions, but can undersatnd how it came about.

      If you look at history the bust years were a result of lax or disbanded restrictions, and the boom years always start out with massive restrictions. You confuse taxes with restrictions. You also confuse restrictions on the books as opposed to real enforceable ones. During corrupt times all the past restrictions are either ignored or amended.

    • Robert October 21, 2011, 7:37 pm

      “Call it casino capitalism…or crony capitalism…or degenerate late-stage capitalism if you want to. But it’s not really capitalism. You’d be more accurate to call it state socialism, corporatism, fascism lite…and getting more authentic every day. ”

      – Not to mention more AUTHORITARIAN every day….

    • fallingman October 21, 2011, 9:04 pm

      I don’t mean to be argumentative, but from what particular part of my post did you deduce the following:

      “You confuse taxes with restrictions.”

      I said nothing about either. Were you replying to me or someone else?

      One last thing. So, the government’s been taken over. Seems we agree on that. But we need the government to make sure the people who have taken it over behave. Is that it?

      I can hear Jamie Dimon now. “Yeah, I think I’ll put myself in jail for being bad and looting all that money from the taxpayers.”

    • gary leibowitz October 21, 2011, 10:52 pm

      fallingman,

      Sorry didn’t mean to use the phrase “You confuse…
      “. It was a generality, as in people.

  • John Jay October 21, 2011, 4:19 pm

    Jill,
    I’m just Connecticut Yankee cheap, I grew up in Connecticut. I always say, being cheap has saved my life. I quit smoking back in 1972 when cigarettes hit $.50 a pack. I always thought Ted Turner was just another rich jerk. Until I read that he almost broke his neck trying to pick up a dime in a revolving door. I can tell a lot of stories of wealthy friends back in CT that are so tight with a buck that you would not believe me.
    Great basis for a book.

  • Radek October 21, 2011, 4:02 pm

    I just can’t get past the picture above.. that idiot to the left with his shirt off is sporting a “Mercedes Love” sign on his chest. Clearly he must be a son/nephew of a rich banker, attempting to infiltrate the Occupy crowd for intel.

    But on a more serious note…what does this tell you? To me it seems like a bunch of average joes who only understand small bits and pieces of the situation, but have decided to protest against…’something’. I bet each person has a different argument/reason as to why they’re there. I wish people were more open-minded and questioned things more. Too bad those traits are present in only a tiny fraction of our population. History will continue to repeat itself until we become enlightened en-masse. Until then, capitalism will rule. Gary L said it well.

    • Buster October 21, 2011, 4:22 pm

      A limited view of our real situation we all have to various degrees, undoubtedly, but the younger generation in particular are catching up fast. Our own struggles against the tide are tainting our grasp of the changes in awareness taking place at an accelerating rate through the use of the internet etc.
      However, the game of realocation of wealth from the needy to the greedy is still going on as per the usual historical script, but at least people are becoming aware of the way the game is rigged for the Elites to always win. We may be getting screwed, but we now know we’re getting screwed!
      …and Capitalism it certainly is not! Corporate Fascism it is!…… all the way to the Bank thankyou!

    • ebear October 22, 2011, 1:48 pm

      All we are saaaaaaaaaying, is….
      uh… what is it we’re saying again?

  • gary leibowitz October 21, 2011, 3:17 pm

    Austerity means less for the least powerful. Yes the masses will suffer and by its very nature will force change.

    The refusal to prevent the government from becoming defunct is a precursor to our own mess. Standard of living, while stagnant for decades, is now falling at a rather fast pace. Combine this with corporations refusal to reduce its record profits by hiring and we have a recipe for disaster.

    Capitalism. You gotta love it! If there is a way to expand wealth by nefarious means or othwerwise a “free” capitalistic society will find it. Greed isn’t restricted to bankers and brokerage houses. Corporate america is taking advantage of this economic situation to allow greed to run rampant. They now have political cover in explaining away their refusal to hire. Imagine the trillions in cash they now hold. Imagine 3 years after the initial financial meltdown they have decided they rather like this situation. Why hire and spend money when younger, cheaper labor can do the job. In fact they not only have replaced the older more costly workers with young cheaper ones, they expect that worker to do the work of 2 or more.

    Greed. The parabolic stock market rally that started in 1982 coincided with the mass introduction of credit cards. From then on credit has replaced cash. You would think that the Keating Scandal would alert our politicians of bank corruption, or Enron, or Madoff, or a single hedge fund operator taking down a 200 year old institutuion.

    Please lets not blame the government for our ills. Its a natural phenomena that dates back since the dawn of capitalism.

    Any historian would tell you that “this time is different” isn’t true. We have gone thru massive inflation, deflation, depressions, financial ruin, glorious expansion, etc… This is the nature of working in a capitalist society. Boom/Bust is inevitable.

    If you really think we are living in an over regulated society I would dread imagining how much worse we would be today had we been less regulated. By definition an “enforced” regulation will prevent greed and unfair practice from taking place. It will most likely also prevent innovation and entrepreneurship. There always has to be a balance between the two.

    On an aside: My original target of 1257 on the SPX just might happen. I assumed a flash crash these next 3 days. Looks like a final push to the top.

    • john October 22, 2011, 9:24 pm

      Some of us might say that a “free” market is not the anarchistic one you criticise, but a market in which all are free to participate under the rule of law and policed by regulations that apply to all participants.

      You then go on to further miss the point with this:

      “If you really think we are living in an over regulated society I would dread imagining how much worse we would be today had we been less regulated.”

      When did the regulations apply, or when were they enforced, to Goldman Sachs, to BoA, to Wall St insiders? No, we have not been over regulated, we have been operating in a rigged, corrupt market in which the boys make their own rules.

    • Jill October 22, 2011, 11:11 pm

      Gary, I enjoy your posts.

      The world is too complex for most people. Ideologies make it simple for people– ideas like Regulation=always bad, Capitalism =always good — whatever capitalism is. I surely would not call what we have now capitalism- where big corrupt greedy lazy companies buy government influence to get more money and more control at everyone else’s expense.

      If one’s world is made simple, because one believes that Regulation=bad, then one doesn’t have to worry one’s little head about what specific regulations– like the Glass-Steagall Act– consisted of, and what has happened since they were repealed.

  • Buster October 21, 2011, 1:33 pm

    “Portugals Army said if it all falls down, they are siding with the proles, not the bankers. The Greek Army said similar things a short while ago. How many divisions does Goldman Sachs have?”
    -How times are changing….They never mention who’s getting all the payments from those massive debts we all owe, do they now?!

    “The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the People vs. The Banks.”
    – Lord Acton, Lord Chief Justice of England, 1875

    “The eyes of our citizens are not sufficiently open to the true cause of our distress. They ascribe them to everything but their true cause: the banking system… a system which if it could do good in any form is yet so certain of leading to abuse as to be utterly incompatible with the public safety and prosperity.”
    – Thomas Jefferson

    Not too long now, hopefully!
    This ‘Banking/Corporatist/Organised religion-Media’ secret empire of the Elites, who has cost the lives & lifes of so many people throughout history is due to be turned on by the very leaders she has bought the abusive powers from…because the water’s she sits on, or people, are dried up, and the rulers want what she’s got. The information age uncovers her activities for all to see. The very toys that were meant to keep us entertained are fast-tracking the young to understand the game.
    Get your savings, investment & anything else out while you can ‘cos Babylon the Great is going down. It’s just a matter of time!

    “She has fallen! Babylon the Great has fallen……. For all the nations have fallen [victim], and the kings of the earth committed fornication with her, and the traveling merchants of the earth became rich due to the power of her shameless luxury.Yes, in her was found the blood of prophets and of holy ones and of all those who have been slaughtered on the earth.”
    Revelation 17

    If the cap fits….

    • Robert October 21, 2011, 7:33 pm

      “The very toys that were meant to keep us entertained are fast-tracking the young to understand the game.”

      Fantastic point!

      One lesson I’ve learned in my advancing years, is that once the young fully understand the rules, they leverage it with their natural youthful sprite, energy, and competitve spirit, to completely dominate the game.

  • John Jay October 21, 2011, 4:42 am

    Oh, I almost forgot, iPod type devices have finally come down to my price range. I bought a nice little Memorex model for $30 on ebay. Brand new, music, video, photo capacity, etc., with an FM radio with a 50 hour battery charge for music. Always good news on the electronics front as far as prices are concerned!

    • Jill October 21, 2011, 7:46 am

      If only we could eat electronic devices, we’d all be in better shape, since their prices are not rising.

  • John Jay October 21, 2011, 4:35 am

    Yes, it’s getting tougher, day by day. I feel the pressure.
    My favorite impulse purchase, $.50 candy bars in the supermarket checkout line, are now up to $1.29 at the high end of price swings. I don’t recall the big bags of assorted Holloween candy being $8 to $10 either.
    Shower curtain liners at Walmart have doubled in price, and no more plastic bag packaging either. They are folded up with a 3″ paper sleeve for a label, and miniature clothes hanger for the display bar.
    Portugals Army said if it all falls down, they are siding with the proles, not the bankers. The Greek Army said similar things a short while ago. How many divisions does Goldman Sachs have?

    • fallingman October 21, 2011, 3:28 pm

      “How many divisions does Goldman Sachs have?”

      Hahahaha. How many, indeed.

    • Robert October 21, 2011, 7:26 pm

      “Portugals Army said if it all falls down, they are siding with the proles, not the bankers. The Greek Army said similar things a short while ago. ”

      A contrarian indicator of a global bottom in economic sentiment (read: maximum point of malaise) should be when we read/hear of similar published statements from the US military….. Until that point, keep your seat belt buckled and your hands inside the vehicle.

  • Chris T. October 21, 2011, 1:59 am

    so long as “the market” is still seen as some sort of proxy for the economy, we’ll keep hearing this “cause by” BS.

    It isn’t, and shouldn’t, and didn’t used to, be seen as such….