Broadband Deals Fail the Sniff Test

Price-rigging and deceptive advertising are so prevalent among broadband carriers that getting a good deal can pose quite a challenge — not only for the unschooled customer, but for the kind of shoppers who read Consumer Reports each month from cover to cover.  I know this because I recently compared carrier deals when my monthly Comcast bill threatened to hit $300. This exorbitant sum is in addition to the $400 I pay Verizon for family wireless service, and another $400 for real-time stock-market data. My Comcast package includes nothing fancy – just two phone lines, 30mb speeds and a modest package of TV shows, movies and HBO.  I’m not a big TV-watcher, to put it mildly, and if I could pay what the service is actually worth to me, I’d send them a check every month for $14.95. Try explaining that to the kids.  For another hundred bucks, you get 800 channels, but after you’ve gone through the movie inventory once, you’ll be in a re-run hell so repetitious that even The Godfather, Parts I and II start to seem stale.

My goal of cutting the $290 bill in half seemed do-able because Comcast itself was promoting a $90 package geared to home-based businesses.  The salesman I spoke with said that with a modest downgrade of my TV fare, the new package would cost me around $140.  Great, I thought.   How wrong I was. For starters, I was about to commit the capital crime of eliminating channels that my wife watches. Even worse, after I’d done so, she learned about it when she switched on the TV and got a test pattern.  I argued that I was saving nearly $160 a month, but her expert witnesses worked up a set of numbers that proved, with taxes and fees included, I’d been suckered into paying about $240 for a package more basic than the one we’d had originally.  I told her to switch everything back the way she wanted it — which she did, pronto — and now we’ll be paying $150 for more or less the same services that just a week ago had cost us $290.  She drove a hard bargain — and so should you, since the rates are obviously very negotiable, especially for long-time customers.

Key to Negotiating

As for the salesman, although I kept him in the loop while my buyer’s remorse was gestating,  I’ve yet to hear back from him.  Although he turns out to have been working for a marketing firm rather than Comcast, it seems odd that Comcast would allow subcontractors to sell its services as though they were working a carnival midway.  If you get one of them on the line and he promises to show you how to get the best possible deal, ask to talk to a Comcast company salesman first.  As far as I can tell, the key to striking a good deal is to sound like you mean it when you tell them you’re going to switch your business to another carrier.

  • BigTom March 17, 2013, 10:15 pm

    “…and it is nice here everyday!” Yeah, I remember leaving the rurals here in January at 40 or 50 below zero temperatures, pick up my bike parked in the Monterey Bay area of California, back in the 70’s/80’s and take the 101 south. Somewhere around Oxnard/Venture I would head east, man was the motorcycle weather good! I would head SE for Mexico for months at a time….. I don’t think I’d do that ride solo in todays world though. I remember one time going thru Riverside in a light vest and then getting to Nogalas with snow on the hills….
    Ya’ll do got the weather down there…
    Hey, for a fun 35 sec. video on ‘when 2 worlds collide’ that has nutin’ to do with anything go to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-l2zl85PHs&feature=player_embedded
    It plays well in slow motion too…..
    Anyhow – this is getting beyond the investment/trading stuff and as a guest here I’d better get outta here before RA kicks me off……

  • BigTom March 17, 2013, 6:18 pm

    JJ – California has become so ridiculous that it is both sad and funny. Sad because many years ago I grew up there and saw how nice it was. Funny(in a sad say), because as terrible as it is now it will only get worse. ‘They’ have convinced the people thru pc to bring the house down upon themselves. (1 example only-35 years ago if I told you your 5 year old child would be taking psycho-tropic mind altering drugs issued thru your tax funded school system you would have called me nuts. Today it is widespread and an acceptable practice. A viable species here being described as ‘of at least capable of protecting its’ young’) But it is not so much different here in rural america, it is just taking longer. Where you live they have convinced the ‘mostest’ to jump on the idiocy wagon for their own good. Out here in rural american idiocracy is being forced upon us. Though retirees moving in from metro america bring it in with them.
    Good luck down there JJ with your ‘campaigns’. “I’ll do it for a while and then give up for a while.” I know exactly what you mean…… I have been on that merry-go-round for a long time now and the only cure I found is go do fun things while ya’ll can!

    • John Jay March 17, 2013, 7:56 pm

      Big Tom,
      Yep, it’s amusing to send notes to the bridge of the Titanic telling the Captain the water is really flooding in down here in steerage! Everyone on the bridge already knows that but they want you to just quietly drown while they party on.
      So once in a while a send another note to the bridge.

      The reason I stay in California is the same reason I moved out here from back east in 1976, phenomenal weather. I remember freezing winters and humidity in the summer worse than Samoa on some days!
      I remember one August in CT when it rained every single day.
      I remember one January in CT where it never got above freezing for the entire month.
      You can go weeks without a sunny day back there.
      So far Moonbeam and the Feds have not managed to screw up the weather out here, but anything is possible.
      So here I stay, the weather is always sunny with low humidity.
      Nice weather always cheers me up, and it is nice here everyday!

  • BigTom March 17, 2013, 12:15 am

    Mario – thanks for taking the time to respond. LOL- I do have to laugh at the credence we Americans do seem to place upon our government ‘proclamations.’ JJ above brings up another amusing point. Are bio-fuels, ie. ethanol fuel, at all the rage over there in solving combustion problems as ‘proclamated,’ as in ‘thunked up’ here, by our governent/EPA? – thanks and have a great vacation…..

    • John Jay March 17, 2013, 6:47 am

      Big Tom,
      Just wrote my Congressman about Pres. Obama’s call to birth another DOE when the old DOE has done nothing to end our use of gasoline and diesel in 36 years.
      I have gone back to writing to Diane, Barbara, and Ed even though I know without a 500k campaign check attached it is a forlorn hope.
      I’ll do it for a while and then give up for a while.
      It is amusing to me at an any rate

    • mario cavolo March 18, 2013, 5:20 am

      Well let me remind you that Asia has been using LPG as fuel in many public transportation services for years. All of Shangha’s 100,000 + Volkswagen Santana taxicabs run on LPG, plus many busses, and also widespread in other Asian countries. In China they have made it harder and harder to own a polluting gas scooter pushing people towards the electric scooters to get back and forth to work. They are nice, they go 30-40 miles per charge, and they cost around $500 to buy one, no license or plate required…Cheers, Mario

  • Rich March 16, 2013, 10:20 pm

    This did not post Fri during market hours and Rick said it was not blocked, so here goes again:

    Welcome back Mario. Good to see your perspective.

    Gary, congrats on bullish market calls working out.

    Some markets deflate (go down) and some markets go up (inflate) all the time.

    Bought VXX calls with the idea VXX just might inflate over 20.41 the next week or more.

    Cheers all…

  • mava March 16, 2013, 6:39 pm

    The only problem I see with the providers of access to information is that some of them, such as ISPs, are protected from the competition. This protection comes from the government, in full accordance to the rule that the only source of monopoly can be the government itself.

    I refuse to consider the “greediness” of say, ISPs as any sort of a problem. If they had no competition protection, then the competition would regulate that “greed”, to the point that the prices for their services would fall constantly until they reach the floor where they only support the profits exactly proportional to the degree of effort spent on creating the value.

    R.A. would simply be switching from provider to provider until either he would find one that he is happy with or until such time that his wandering would introduce enough losses to induce a lower price.

    In presence of competition every business will naturally regress to the point of being a commodity business.

  • BigTom March 16, 2013, 6:17 pm

    Hey Mario – Not trying to wreck your vacation here or anything but recently read an article “Pig-headed? Chinese officials say not to worry about dead pigs in water supply http://news.yahoo.com/pig-headed-chinese-officials-not-worry-dead-pigs-132832854.html Stories like this on China have always popped up here over the years. Are these type stories shrugged off over there like MSM shruggs off similar stories here on the financial carnage going on in America? You know, no big deal, everything is fine, just look at our government statistics! Just curious as to the level of concern/apathy over there to all things that matter? Am resubmitting this as I apparently screwed up the last submission…..

    • mario cavolo March 16, 2013, 8:50 pm

      Hi BigTom! Yea, the pig story! We all have no doubt that to some degree all these big govt offices, regardless of what country, announce to the public whatever spiked Koolaid the masses will swallow. Some ideas:

      Chinese citizens definitely take govt pronouncements with a grain of salt, same as Americans. In fact, MUCH more so.

      On to the pigs, well I live in Shanghai. I can tell you that as any major city in China, Shanghai has a typical massive water treatment plant which cleans,and chlorinates the water which is flowing out of the taps. In China, even chlorinated, the water is not fit to drink. Keeping in mind the huge volumes of water in a river, I can’t say whenthe amount of added bacteria from 20 or 200 or 2000 or 20,000 dead pigs would reach the point where it overwhelms the water treatment plant capabilities. There is no doubt that overall sanitary levels in China are lower than in the states. Even, eg, the simple thing of men in China peeing in public, (as in much of Asia), babies peeing in public including the parks on grass is regarded as no more than “they’re babies!”…. no one cares, notices, comments… Hey, I’m just reporting what it is!

      Lastly, moving on from the pigs, contrary to western MSM media, please do understand that Chinese society is mostly wildly happy with their govt as indeed they should be; 500 million people or so have seen their lives improve by unprecedented eons. Of course many are still poor, as to the supposed poorest, the farmers, well again, don’t believe everything you read and definitely don’t believe the official per capital income stats, which are simply untrue and far lower than reality. As my wife and I hopped on my motorcyle to travel the farming countryside all over Hainan Island, all we saw for two years was more and more countryside farmers building themselves for $15/sq ft, their three story nice homes on their land in concert with all the connecting roads being paved….oh yea, poor farmers, apparently not as bad as any China or western MSM would like you to believe…

      Cheers, Mario

  • BigTom March 16, 2013, 6:12 pm

    Hey Mario – Not trying to wreck your vacation here or anything but recently read an article “Pig-headed? supply”http://news.yahoo.com/pig-headed-chinese-officials-not-worry-dead-pigs-132832854.html Stories like this on China have always popped up here over the years. Are these type stories shrugged off over there like MSM shruggs off similar stories here on the financial carnage going on in America? You know, no big deal, everything is fine, just look at our government statistics! Just curious as to the level of concern/apathy over there to all things that matter?

  • John Jay March 16, 2013, 4:19 pm

    Mario,
    Speaking of Governments I just heard Mr. Obama on the news saying we need a new Fed agency to find alternative fuels!
    OMG!
    Isn’t that why Jimmy Carter started up the Department of Energy up back in 1977?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Energy
    So 35 years later, the DOE with a $30 billion budget, 19,ooo employees, and 90,000 contract workers needs a hand?
    Insanity!

    On another matter, how strict are the emission controls on cars in China? California tough?
    And do the cars need an emission test every two years?
    From the news Beijing looks like Los Angeles in the 1950s pollution wise.

    • mario cavolo March 16, 2013, 8:55 pm

      Hi JJ, the state of China’s current automotive industry is pretty much on par with the states. I can’t be accurate but I don’t doubt that emissions standards are close, though not perhaps as tough as California. Something I’d like to check into… Yes, emissions test and full car inspection every two years, just had mine done! They made me replace the rear brakes!! ….the air pollution is an insane problem and they are way behind the eight ball. Their commitment to green/alt energy is the largest in the world, 50 nuclear plants coming, wind farms, lots of solar already in place, but man, how they’re going to get it truly under control when its already so far gone? I wouldn’t want that job at any salary…

  • Chris t. March 16, 2013, 3:00 am

    free HD, haha.
    FCC own signal receive website, has me getting about 5, same as analog.
    no cable, no reception.

    and this part of nj is licensed: only one provider to choose from.
    which is why the same or less crap costs way mire than elsewhere

  • buck novak March 15, 2013, 5:59 pm

    We should do the same with politicians! Change them offer.

  • redwilldanaher March 15, 2013, 5:26 pm

    Gary, stop acting lazily for a few moments and read the essay: http://www.rickackerman.com/?s=mobius

    This is Rick’s lead in to the essay:

    [With debt spinning wildly out of control and the States threatening to revolt against the tyranny of Washington, we asked some frequent contributors to the Rick’s Picks forum how they thought the nation would look five years from now. In the essay below, Wayne Razzi, aka “Red Will,” predicts that “They” will win – as They always do. However, before any clear winners can emerge, the nation will feel the ravages of the catastrophic debt deflation that “we” have long predicted. RA]

    I really don’t care if you apologize but at the very least please stop misrepresenting me and everyone else that posts in Rick’s forum. It’s really old at this point.

    AND, it seems to me that you’ve been around a lot longer than 1 year but maybe it just feels that way…

    • gary leibowitz March 16, 2013, 5:23 pm

      Since your position is so aligned with mine I wonder why you constantly attack me? I guess I am not angry enough for you. I should be demonstating at the White House, sit ins, buying guns and food for the eventual holocaust. I should acknowledge there is some malignant entity out there determined to do us in. The anti-christ is upon us.

      My position has always been that a massive rally will end this phase. I don’t equate this event with any evil intention. I equate it with human nature. Given enough power with unchecked rules greed takes hold. At the extreme it collapses and a new era of human cooperation dominates. It has always been a cyclical response. I don’t expect this to change.

  • mario cavolo March 15, 2013, 5:06 pm

    Hi All,

    I’ll jump in with the inflation “cost of stuff” angle on this. I am on a visit to the U.S. now with family and I can confirm the same reaction all of us expats in China who come for a visit have:

    Many daily “things” needed to be purchased in the United States compared to China are CHEAP and I am happy to remind you of that.

    Healthcare is not. The genuine need to own a car is not. And apparently, neither is cable, which is a reasonable desire but far from a necessity for wellbeing, so that’s not really an issue.

    Retail consumer prices are dirt cheap here. Say thank you. My mobile broke and I am going to go buy a new Samsung droid to replace it for $99. Can’t do that in China where you were probably thinking it was cheap. Places like Walmart and Big Lots offer dirt cheap prices on daily consumer goods like clothing and foods. I’ve heard JJ railing about store portions getting smaller and prices going higher, but JJ I can tell you its relative. Gas at $3.50 is priced no higher than anywhere else in the world so you really can’t complain about that even though we know the oil industry is playing games and oil now has a risk premium of $20 higher than oil should be priced at.

    Nice restaurants offering a perfect loaded big roast sandwich for $5, dinner plates for $10…nice. Starbucks $2 for a double espresso. $6 for a liter of extra virgin olive oil. Italian plum tomatoes for $2 a can. Drinkable wines for $7 at Trader Joes. Oh, I wish, it were the case in China…

    Now if Americans could simply unlearn their brainwashing they have been subject from the media and marketing and govt manipulators to live on credit, things would improve alot in people’s daily lives and budgets. eg, DON”T have a $300 car lease payment on a new Toyota when instead you should have bought a nice $7000 used car…

    Cheers, Mario

    • redwilldanaher March 15, 2013, 5:30 pm

      China isn’t supportive of AmeriKans living beyond their means via ridiculous easy money credit expansion behavior?

      Pretty sure the Chinese welcome that behavior with open arms…

    • John Jay March 15, 2013, 7:03 pm

      Mario,
      Glad to hear from you, I wondered where you went to!

      As far as inflation goes, I am not going to fall for the MSM press release “Look how much X costs in Y country. You never had it so good!”
      I only look to where prices have gone in this country in the last 50 years as the value of the USD has tanked.
      And prices have gone relentlessly upwards in those 50 years.
      Gasoline was 20 cents a gallon back then, a mortgage payment was $120 a month, and the coins were made of real silver, copper, and nickel.
      And a new car was $2,000.
      Most people just saved up the 2k and paid cash for the car.
      And Dad could support the family on one paycheck.
      Then LBJ took over, he raided SS, switched to token coins, and used Inflation to pay for Vietnam and his Great Society.
      And that was the beginning of the end for America the Beautiful.

      From what you posted it seems Inflation is roaring in China. Looks like China has decided to walk the LBJ path.
      That will end badly for China, just as it has for the USA.
      Good to hear from you, enjoy your visit here!

    • mario cavolo March 15, 2013, 8:33 pm

      Not even close Wayne, though the “new” China is heading in that direction. The banks are now on the credit card marketing campaigns including affiliate benefits, etc. But it is still very much a cash society, which as far as I am concerned is the single key point that makes most other economic analysis moot.

      The following stat will help you understand. The vast majority of new cars purchased each month, now still over one million, are mid level brands such as Ford/Chevy/Toyota/Kia/Hyundai/Chinese brand autos purchased by the rising lower/middleclass. Yet, in fact 80% of all such $20,000 cars are paid for cash….by those supposed lower/middle income class folks whose supposed annual per capita income is $3000 to $10,000 USD per year. Ahem, not. Its “The Big Lie” that I’m trying to draw attention to with a manuscript I’m working to get published.

      Cheers, Mario

    • mario cavolo March 15, 2013, 8:40 pm

      Right on, JJ…I also remember the $.28 gas and $.30 quarts of milk…and the fabulous 70’s Mustang my Dad bought for probably $5k… Don’t hold your breath on things “ending badly” for China though, that could easily take another 50 years or so…the country is floating in 5-10 trillion of off the books cash and in the middle of a baby boom that redefines the sense of the word…its a thick cushion for a fall regardless of what misdirection and misinformation they may be feeding the media in the meantime, as we know all govts do….Its a scary thought that those running our world do so based on incredibly bad, inaccurate, twisted information, in addition to their self-serving greed and incompetence….Cheers, Mario

    • mario cavolo March 15, 2013, 8:44 pm

      Oh Wayne, I misread your question with my answer, thought its related.

      To your question…Here’s a fallacy. China and everyone across the world loves the pretext that they don’t admire America’s expansion by consumer credit, yet they have all enjoyed the benefits of sucking on that teet for the past 30 years…:) .

      Well, we all know that the debt levels are spinning out of control and I don’ need to say anymore along that line… Cheers, Mario

    • mario cavolo March 15, 2013, 8:51 pm

      And more to Rick’s Broadband topic today….we pay around $35/month for China Telecom’s internet service in our home. For television type cable services/movie channels, we have something called an IPTV box…it runs from $3/month and up, including PPV movies at around $1. I think there’s more for around $20/month…. But service is nowhere near the quantity or quality of programming available in the states. For that you have to buy a satellite dish and receiver decoder for around $200, which many have, but illegal. Then you get all that is available to you guys here…

      Cheers, Mario

    • mario cavolo March 16, 2013, 5:35 am

      Here JJ, right up your alley on stealth inflation…:) from John Thomas, hedge fund/advisor guy…

      “…..But this year, when I got home and opened the boxes I was shocked. While the price was the same, the number of cookies had shrunk considerably. I knew it was not my waist line the scouts were concerned about. I was seeing the dastardly hand of ‘stealth inflation’ at work. In this deflationary environment, companies loathe to raise prices. Food companies are especially hard hit, with many commodities like wheat, corn, sugar, soybeans, and coffee up 50%-300% in a year. Any attempt to pass these costs on to consumers is punished severely. So companies cut costs, quantity, and quality, instead, by shrinking the size.”

      Cheers, Mario

  • redwilldanaher March 15, 2013, 2:20 am

    Gary, since Rick’s forum is holding up my response to the prior essay:

    Gary, you’ve now traveled even further into wonderland. You must have me confused with another person at Rick’s.

    I think you have me confused with Vlad or someone like that.

    My “rants” aren’t about a downward direction for the market Gary because as you can now see I concluded that “they” would do just as they’ve done because the index levels are PSYOPS.

    My issue with you and all the other collaborators in terms of how you’re willing to look at the surface level and conclude that is all there is without doing one lick of research. Yet, someone else does and provides evidence to the contrary, you ignore it and label them as a “conspiracy theorist”. I welcome that label but I know that for 99% of the population would not. I welcome it because that label is effectively a synonym for “real historian”. If you think that the “history” they taught you in the public fool systems is legit, well then carry on my Panglossian comrade…

    • gary leibowitz March 15, 2013, 4:30 pm

      Red, if you never suggested that the market was about to crash than I apologize. As for your research and proof, sorry I just don’t see it. Perhaps you can give me some inkling of what you presented. If its the government or independent data that is used by the financial community I have no dispute over them. If you want to compare where we are relative to the last 4 years that fine. I agree the economy is no where near the levels of the 90’s and on. I also know a shock such as the one we received is not going to show recovery anytime soon.

      Regarding the lack of research, I agree. I do not look for fringe explanations especially from biased authors without verifiable proof. I try to use the mainstream reports. The notion that all mass media reporting is faked or misleading seems to suggest everyone is on the take.

      As for my badly researched assumptions, they already have come to pass. Lucky? Perhaps, but the “exposed” truth for the last 4 years by this group hasn’t put a dent in the reality of the earnings picture. Why is that?

      You, like most on this board, believe that this government cheated by altering the rules, in order to prop up the economy. I have no issue with that. You treat it as some mass conspiracy to do permanent harm to the masses. I find that preposterous. Is the current actions any different then all the other crisis moments in our history? Does the rich and powerful have more influence? You bet. It always has. It’s the degree of greed and huge disparity that creates crisis like the one we had. Every single time the crisis passes there is a rebalance of influence. I do not see that rebalance yet, therefore we should still have more pain ahead.

      Here we are in the midst of a big rally, 4 plus years into the crisis, and I have to defend my position? Ludicrous.

      Everyone want instatnt gratification by seeing wrongs righted, and punishment fitting the crime. World governments don’t operate that way. It is a shame it doesn’t but thats the facts.

    • redwilldanaher March 15, 2013, 5:17 pm

      If I have time I will respond more forcefully Gary but yet again you’ve violated Rick’s warning. My essay that Rick published almost exactly 2 years ago PREDICTED that the government and its string-pullers would effectively cheat. That was the entire point of my essay and the reason I concluded that things would unfold as they have thus far. I stuck with the “trend” Gary. That’s all the government and the shadow government do Gary. They cheat. They deform and defile everything so that we can wind up where we are which is adrift in a sea of evil.

      You need to stop misrepresenting people’s positions. Sorry Gary, find a new straw man because I’m not yours and never have been and never will be.

    • mario cavolo March 15, 2013, 11:37 pm

      Hi Gary, long time no see…..I want to jump in here…

      “You treat it as some mass conspiracy to do permanent harm to the masses. I find that preposterous.”

      Well, on this point….I think it needs a lot of clarification. The rich Wall Street/banker/govt oligarchs integrally and complicitly created a ponzi scheme to make themselves millions. Did they do that to do permanent harm to the masses? I won’t say yes. But they absolulely did know that they pushed the envelope of responsible, ethical behavior for the good of all parties involved FAR beyond what they should have. They damn well KNEW and IGNORED for years the dangers they were creating to tumble the very system they were gaming. They were warned again and again. It all started with the repeal of Glass Steagall, etc. They KNEW they were playing with fire, they KNEW who would end up paying if it went sour, and they it wouldn’t be THEM. They made their fortunes and dumped it on the govt rescue and middle class tax payers. They didn’t act to build or produce anything of value. They created a mortgage based ponzi scheme very similar to a classic MLM pyramid and it was so sweet a pitch to get the masses involved purchasing homes they didn’t qualify to purchase. Who wouldn’t say yes to a sweet deal? Wow!? I don’t have to qualify, yea, I’ll take it! It was a big fat classic ponzi scheme sales pitch, complicit by every player involved.

      The funny upshot is that now the screwed homebuyer is getting his just recompense. My friend owes $320k on his home now worth $230k. If he “short sells” it, the bank forgives him the $90k and it doesn’t affect his credit. Guess what? That’s what they SHOULD do, they, the system of leaders that makes the rules and gamed the system, screwed him over in the first place. He gets forgiven his $90k, but let’s not forget they did far better, they made millions, even billions. The oligarchs KNEW exactly what was going on for years, the regulators KNEW, the were all complicit. Puke, not preposterous, simple.

      Cheers, Mario

    • gary leibowitz March 16, 2013, 5:10 pm

      Mario, I am in concurrence with all you say. The politicians knew what they were doing. They also knew they couldn’t abandon the masses. To accomplish this the federal government compensated with social programs that has now run amok. If governments are so unfeeling they could have allowed corporate america to take control without any “patch” to stem the bleeding for the average american. I suppose their decision making wasn’t so altuistic but self serving also. Reelection is a lot easier when the masses are complacent.

      Yes politicians knew what they were doing, but ignore the consequences thinking it will be decades later. Now that we hit that crisis the 2 political camps are as divided as ever in history. One wants a rebalance of power with very little substantive changes other than higher taxes, while the other wants to accelerate the imbalance and eventually create a caste system. Neither will work.

  • BigTom March 14, 2013, 7:09 pm

    Two years ago last month I quit satellite television service. Had it with all the air wave broadcast junk. Called up Direct TV and told them to come an get their stuff. Over the next several months must have had at least 5 phone calls offering me better and better deals to return. The best offer I got was for the exact same programs I had been subscribed to for 1/2 price. I still told ’em no, and don’t have and refuse to have television to this day.
    Now, if we can only do that with those manipulating the gold market!

  • bc March 14, 2013, 5:52 pm

    My wife figured out you just keep calling them until you get a guy who gives you what you want. Some are tough and others not so much. This is the chink in their armor. Threaten to cancel always and get them to throw in free HBO etc. which costs them nothing. Kind of fun once you learn it’s a game.

  • mava March 14, 2013, 3:51 pm

    Your problems, Rick, start with your choice of goods. You don’t need any phone lines, nor do you need any TV channels. All you need is high speed internet access (the higher the better). Everything else you can have over that route.

    When you chose to buy TV or Phone, you already designate yourself to be exploited, because you want something that could be described as drugs. You see, the high speed connection is essential. The TV is not, because it is mind programming first, and because anything you watch on TV you can also get yourself over just the internet. Same with phone, though, that is recent.

    Anyway, because you or you family have these problems where you think you “need” junk you actually don’t need, they become money holes when you attempt to act on them. Needing TV is absolutely the same as “needing another shot”. Providers know that, and their worst price points are centered on bundles.

    But, I am not saying that wanting or liking drugs is a bad idea. No, that ain’t my business. I am only pointing out that the similarities between TV, and Phone, and drugs, are such that one should also expect similar complications to get them, and thus it may be the best to just leave them for those less intelligent to experience.

  • Jon March 14, 2013, 6:27 am

    Wow you pay that much!
    I got rid of all cable. Hooked up the free HD channels everyone gets. Got Netflix. And my Apple TV. Pay $55 for Internet. All for around $65.

  • Dave March 14, 2013, 6:24 am

    Rick, when analog, getting an illegal cable box in NYC was easy. Of course, many providers like Cablevision, send a signal out from time to time that burns them out. With digital, may be harder to procure. Let me know if you want one. Your negotiating tactics may work in Colorado, not NYC unless you say cancel my service, which dependng on the rep, they may not challenge.

    Living on the DL in a HUD building, cable costs $10/month for 32 channel hotel style package includes the History channel so I can watch The Bible.

    Somewhere the gov’t must be subsidizing this since equivalent service would cost over $60/month from TWC. Plus with a coax Y connector, you can switch from cable to digital broadcast TV for free channels not on cable like Cozi, MeTv, Antenna TV to watch shows from the 60’s Lucy, Hazel, Leave It To Beaver, Bewitched, Dennis the Menace, Lost in Space, etc. the “good ol’ days” 😉

    • Dave March 14, 2013, 7:43 am

      Having heard so much hype about The Bible on History, I just started watching the rerun. In this version, Samson is a schvartze with dreadlocks. Delilah is white. Wonder if this is BC, biblically correct.

  • Jill March 14, 2013, 5:54 am

    Gosh, Rick, what an amazing tale. I had no idea that the cable rates might be so negotiable for long-time customers. Thanks for sharing your new found secrets with us, so we can all get on the phone with our cable providers & see if we can save ourselves some money. It’s amazing how much better we can do by becoming better informed about what strange things go on with companies we do business with.