It’s No Time to Blow Out Your Gold Stocks!

Few exchange-traded investments have visited more pain on shareholders in recent years than bullion stocks.  Even now, amidst a spectacular surge in the broad averages, gold and silver mining shares have done little better than languish, making the pain even more acute for long-term precious-metal bulls.  Is it time to bail out of them? We think not, even though it looks like two popular mining vehicles, GDX and GDXJ, may have further to fall before they hit bottom. We’ll explain in a moment, but you can also click here to access a recent interview on the subject that we did with Al Korelin of the Korelin Economic Report.  So how much more damage should we expect?  GDX, an exchange traded fund (ETF) that tracks a broad portfolio of mining stocks big and small, has already fallen 47% since September 2012, from a high of $67 to a recent low of $35.57. We think it will shed another 15% of its value, dropping to exactly $30.34, before hitting bottom.  As for GDXJ, which measures a basket of junior mining issues, it looks primed for a washout to $13.15, representing a 12% decline from the recent bear-market low at $14.95 and a 70% fall from 2010’s summit at $44.86.

If our expectations are borne out, we think the selloff will be worth enduring for two reasons: 1) the respective targets, “Hidden Pivots” identified with our proprietary  technical tools, look like back-up-the-truck buying opportunities, and 2) if a bear-market low is indeed nigh, the initial leap from Mindanao depths is going to be breathtaking — so powerful that any further losses suffered between now and then are going to be recouped in mere days. In the meantime, long-term investors may simply want to visualize better times ahead as they prepare to weather what we see as a final squall. The wait can be made not merely endurable, but productive, if you’re willing to consider covered writes, using calls or perhaps straddles, on whatever bullion vehicles you possess. Two-month at-the-money calls on GDXJ, for one, are currently going for around $1, equating to an annualized return of 37.5%.  That should suffice to assuage any remorse you might feel if the stock rallies strongly enough to get called away.

  • Rich March 13, 2013, 5:45 pm

    Part three in our continuing quest for safety:

    I like the PM value buyers here with a long-term horizon, especially physical, as the costs to mine gold soared from $100 to $1000 an ounce. PM PnF targets, a lagging indicator, are still lower and may need to build a bigger longer base before taking off.

    DC, Fed and Wall Street media are huffing and puffing this market for all they can get at customer taxpayer expense. Insiders and institutions are dumping IPOs, sales and secondaries. Big bad banks, brokerages and custodians are converting customer assets to their own with impunity like Madoff, MFG, Peregrine, Stanford et al, aided by lack of enforcement from CFTC, Congress, Courts, Executive Branches, State Departments of Corporations, SEC and Exchanges.

    So Rick provides a real service for financial survival following markets closely, staying with the trend and cutting the crap. Anyone who subscribes knows how profitable his ideas are.

    This chronic deflation inflation argument that rears its head from time to time is really a red herring, as different markets are always deflating and inflating (going down and up), distorted by government interference with wasteful red tape, subsidies and taxes.

    As example, CA billionaires and consumers are leaving the Golden state in droves for Nevada, Texas and Washington after CA wiped out five years of capital gains tax benefits for small business formation retroactively and pumped fuel, income and property taxes to the highest in the nation and went after out of state citizens and corporations.

    SoCal Monterey Oil Shale bigger than Saudi Arabia is a fantasy according to Chevron. CA has over half a trillion in pension and special fund reserve funds that more than offset billions in deficits growing with fiscal legislative mismanagement by unconstitutional special interest union candidates and courts that ignored the will of the people with multiple Propositions. Consider most legislation does the opposite of its title. Healthcare Relief Act?

    John Williams did his homework with 1980 CPI calculations that show 9.3% current CPI and 23% unemployment versus the government revised calcs that lie with statistics to renege on government promises:

    http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/unemployment-charts

    For what it’s worth, deep discount brokerage managers tell me retail customers are still AWOL despite hot IPOs and new highs…

    • Rich March 13, 2013, 6:05 pm

      So after a scary correction or four, we could go much higher into summer, with SPX PnF targeting an unbelievable 1800:

      http://bit.ly/VRpxeJ

  • Dave March 13, 2013, 2:01 pm

    Gary, the move up is not a fifth wave by any stretch. Do yourself a favour and purchase “Mastering Elliott Wave” by Glenn Neely. Very complex and I am still learning how to keep up with his latest methodologies. Standard Elliott is not robust to say the least, but Neely standardized it. Probably one of the top 10 financial books of the 20th century. Neely is calling for a correction to last until 2020 or slightly longer and a DOW above 200,000 by 2065…not hyperinflation but a hell of a lot of inflation

    • gary leibowitz March 13, 2013, 4:59 pm

      A correction for 7 years? Is that a sideways variety.
      I also have a target for 2020, but with very violent moves in between. In my scenario we have a low at end of 2014 that could take 50 percent off the top. Kind of hard to believe coming from a “feel good” moment in the economy/stock market right now.

  • Robert March 13, 2013, 5:25 am

    I bought GDX, GDXJ, and even a couple shares of XRA today…

    Now I’m going to take a page from the Rip Van Winkle playbook…

    Wake me in 2015

    • Cam Fitzgerald March 13, 2013, 9:22 am

      Hard to resist them isn’t it? As Tom noted above “they are so over ripe, neglected and delicious” it almost seems crazy to not pick over the juiciest fruit on the tree.

  • gary leibowitz March 13, 2013, 1:36 am

    PPT was probably formed after the 87 crash. Can’t change a market direction. If earnings was to tank tomorrow, nothing the Fed does will help, nothing. They can try and manipulate sudden panic moves, but can’t stand in front of a freight train. The facts speak for themselves. 4 years into this “massive manipulation” and coincidentally corporate america has the largest profits and profit margins EVER! I have asked hundreds of times, and here we go again. How can that be? Perhaps with the help of Uncle Sam? You bet! The point is that we all knew they were helping for many years yet for some reason people on THIS board can’t figure out why its working?

    As for my long standing play, I already won. I anticipated this move, and NOW think we are near the end of that move. What is so complicated? Do you really think these last 4 years was a 1 in a 1000 occurance? Throw money out of an airplane and tell me people would ignore it because it fell out of the sky. You seem to have.

    So lets recap: I was right for a long while on how the market would play out, and have expected all along for a final accelerated 5th wave move before it ends. 9 percent so far this year? I also expected the end to be on an improving economic front. Some very negative people, like Bill Gross, believe the GDP numbers will hit 3 percent in 2013. Thats a big move. Me, I think the market will have a rough time after June, but am open for it to surprise on the upside.

    Finally, if everyone here believes there is total control by this government why would they ever allow that to stop?

    • gary leibowitz March 13, 2013, 1:50 am

      BTW, the trucking stocks are up 21 percent YDT. How to get an early view of the economic activity? Watch the commerce traffic. No fluke. Real tangible evidence, but hey what do I know. Must be a conspiracy in the making. How long will it last? No clue except that once an economy starts rolling, its like an 18 wheeler, hard to change course quickly. I might have to readdress my expectation for a nasty drop in second half. I’m flexible.

    • redwilldanaher March 13, 2013, 3:39 am

      Ignorance truly is bliss eh Gary? You almost seem afraid to do any investigative work.

      I wonder why??? Actually, I do not. I know why you’re afraid.

      Thanks for the lesson in Dow Theory.

      How long does the average acid trip last? Don’t you need to know a little more data before even attempting to answer? Tune out baby, tune out…

    • gary leibowitz March 13, 2013, 3:56 am

      Red, your smart play caused you to see a crash for years and years and years. You assumed everyone else is as smart as you. Guess they are not. You will have to wait till they get an education.

      The people on this board expect the real world to work like the show “24”. The story line and plot are easy to figure out and the bad guy gets punished very quickly. Why can’t the market understand this?

      If you lived during the roaring 20’s you would be content to see the destructive power of the 30’s last forever. It doesn’t. Life goes on, and people’s behavior goes thru cycles, as does the market. Me, I am stupid enough to agree with this “around every corner lurks danger” crown and believe a major bear market will once again hit us. I obviously departed from the end of the world happening at 5 PM tomorrow, but haven’t given up the demon.

    • redwilldanaher March 13, 2013, 10:59 pm

      Sorry Gary but you just violated Rick’s warning and misrepresented my take on things. I will have to go several years back but I will find the essay of mine that Rick published that concluded that what we have just witnessed would likely be what we would witness.

    • redwilldanaher March 13, 2013, 11:07 pm

      From 2 years ago as published here by Rick. He asked us to foretell the future with respect to the market:

      What’s left of my mind says that “they” will win. They always have. They’ve consolidated more power than ever before and if there was ever a time for them to have been swept aside it was the past 3 years and yet they’ve flourished. If they get away with this latest round, as they have every round before, it will be more of the same. Fake economic improvement, centrally planned stock markets, the mass marketing of the “success stories” from the few outliers, and increasing dominion over our lives. The songs remain the same.

      Finally, the “gun to my head” prognostication in an attempt to directly answer Rick’s request: “They Win.”

      Yes, I realize that this flies in the face of realities of the economic, financial, fiscal and the physics kind but I never would have thought that the aggregated and increasingly absurd charades would have been able to have the run they’ve had for half as long as they’ve had it. Why have I come to this conclusion? The reasons are many but I’ll try to cite just a few of the most important ones because I’m about to blow out my word count!

      1. More of the same. Same as it ever was. When in doubt, bet status quo. This is a bet that the trend will continue not end.
      2. The unquenched desire of the public for more pain avoidance and the conditioned desire to be willingly deceived to feed that desire.

      Now, stop representing my positions.

    • gary leibowitz March 14, 2013, 12:01 am

      Red, didn’t know you years ago so I can only go on your current (1 year) rants. You constantly made remarks that the end is here. In fact weren’t you absolutely sure some months ago?

      So let me get this straight, now you say you are in the bullish camp even though you are morally opposed to it. Got it! You never mentioned puts and shorting the market?

  • BigTom March 12, 2013, 5:23 pm

    Pat – It’s like why settle for that plain ‘ol vanilla puddin’ when lush tropical fruit like mango have been hanging on the trees so long unpicked and so tree ripen the juice squirts one in the face on the first bite. That’s why. They are so over ripe, neglected and delicious. Now, compare that to a store bought apple…… though I’m sure I’ll live to regret that analogy!

  • Pat March 12, 2013, 3:01 pm

    Why do you guys want to mess around with gold stocks when th broader equity market is likely to return at least another 10-15% for the rest of the year? Forget gold, its going nowhere.

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    Pat: Your one-note posts have become unbearably tiresome and repetitive. This will be the last I allow unless you have something more interesting to say. RA

    • Pat March 13, 2013, 2:18 pm

      Ok Rick, how about this… I’ve been predicting, quite correctly, for almost a year that stocks were heading much higher to new all-time highs and gold would do nothing. I’d call that pretty good advice and anyone who went long stocks has done well since then, and anyone who was in gold/gold stocks has gotten killed !

      Lets take a look at some of your more notable predictions as of late shall we ? In early 2012 in an interview with Max Kieser you said that in 2012 “stocks are going to have a tough year” ……WRONG, they had a good year. You wrote several times last year that Romney was going to easily beat Obama in the election….WRONG. I said the opposite, that Obama was going to win.

      You’ve been telling us for years that housing prices are going to fall 70% , they fell about 30%. And no, thats NOT deflation. Housing prices got way overextended, they have now corrected. A correction is NOT a crash.

      And where is the “deflationary collapse” you keep blabbering about? Like Carol (above) and many here have been saying, there isn’t any DEflation. INflation is raging everywhere! Literally everything, with the exception of perhaps consumer electronics, is skyrocketing in price. Food, lumber, metals, insurance, gasoline, healthcare, you name it, they all have just about doubled in the last 5 years alone.

      Is this interesting enough for you?

      &&&&&&

      Unlike you, I have to at least sound interesting each and every day, so I’m bound to miss now and then in a year’s worth of headline predictions. However, and regardless of what the headlines said, you’ll find that my touts for the broad averages and gold stocks — and just about everything else — got it precisely right. It’s not as though my subscribers have been short the market for the last four years.

      Concerning deflation, you’ve missed something far bigger than the proverbial barn door, namely the collapse of America’s standard of living. This is pure deflation — a direct and catastrophic result of a crushing increase in the burden of debt that you and most others, including Nobelist-cum-moron Krugman, would deny. Its dollar consequences may be invisible to idiots and billionaires, but they aggregate to something vastly larger than the lettuce-bin items you’ve tallied. Just for starters, all of the supposed ‘wealth’ the baby boomers were supposed to inherit has vanished. Our parents’ generation has had to deplete their nest eggs just to meet (assisted) living expenses in a 1% interest-rate environment. The result is that, by and large, Baby Boomers will not be able to retire. Another grave effect of a vast deflation that you seem unable to discern is that even two-income families are having to borrow heavily for things like medical care, college for their kids and solid-wood furniture — things that until 40 years ago were easily affordable for single-income households.

      I could go on about the suffocating costs of deflation, but the bottom line is that inflation is stillborn if real incomes are stagnating. The effect may be masked by the largest monetary blowout in financial history, but don’t kid yourself about the end result. Concerning the so-far 35% collapse in home prices, I’ll stick with my original implication that residential valuations are only halfway to a bottom. The fact that I have so far nailed the first half of a real estate collapse that few even imagined possible puts me in a category of forecasters beyond reproach from one-note bloviators like you. RA

    • gary leibowitz March 13, 2013, 11:52 pm

      Rick, for the most part your assessment is exactly mine. I will say that the double whammy affect of higher commodity costs and stagnant wages will eventually hit hard. If the new norm is high productivity (low wage and added responsibility) than the deflation argument is a given. If wages kick in, like they did in the 70’s hyper-inflation should result. Governments will always pick inflation as an easier out. I am afraid, so far, corporations are not cooperating. Place me solidly in the deflation camp. I differ from you in another respect. Deflation doesn’t last very long, historically. Will the next one last over 18 months? Don’t know.

  • Tech-trac March 12, 2013, 6:04 am

    As I said before, a 17 month(now 18th month) bear mkt should be enough of a duration to satisfy a normal bear & the 47% decline from#638-340 in the HUI has flattened the sector almost as much as it did in #2008 when the Bullish% reading hit -0-% . Granted while we currently rest @ 4% it doesn’t leave much more capitulation for the bears to count on.
    I guess the GDXJ/GDX ratio which has failed to take out its July lo as of now remains the last standing bullish chart to offer any support to the bulls.

    As for me I put a few toes in the NUGT water(quicksand) today.

  • Dave March 12, 2013, 3:04 am

    Well, Rick, the Contracting Fibonacci Spiral article hit Stocks and Commodities online edition today…

    Regarding gold, I updated my Elliott Wave count on it this past weekend and it has a bottom due towards the end of this month. It should not decline much if at all between now and then…a six month rally towards the end of Octoberish is expected…a high of $1970/ounce is the BO target. Due to the CFS top in the broads due around the end of May 2013, commodities are likely to run until sometime in October.

    I have a top in the US Dollar Index due around the end of this month…wave (B) up is finishing an elongated flat which generally occur in expanding triangles…the pattern I believe the US Dollar started mapping out before the sharp decline in August 2012. The move down should at least go to 74 by October 2013. I posted these two charts on Safehaven for viewing…where gold and the US Dollar Index are going.

    Tricky markets…the field test of the current CFS time post may extend beyond 67.5% (5% above the 62.5% expected time post), which would imply a much greater amount of volatility as we approach the point of singularity in 2020. I have yet to find time to map out when the precise time point ends yet…will wait till the market indicates a top has been put in place and will then build it.

    Dave

    &&&&&

    Thanks for sticking your neck out, Dave. We’ll be watching with interest. RA

    • gary leibowitz March 12, 2013, 5:16 pm

      If the dollar is topping soon wouldn’t that help equities also? The assumption was that equities would peak out in May/June. I still have a small position in gold and might add to it soon.

  • BigTom March 12, 2013, 1:09 am

    Cam – “Buying back in lower” as he put it. There is not a better way to lock in losses now is there? This was a classic commentary in herd behaviour in my opinion….’ LOL – Cam that was good. You will not believe how many ‘buy hi and sell low’ players are out there in this PM market. ‘Panic’ in on the greed factor and ‘panic’ out on the fear factor. A coin dealer I know well says it never fails. He always sells more bullion when the price is going up and is always buying it back when the price is declining. Seems to be some kind of law of nature or something. It is a grueling game played over and over and going on for decades now. Ya gotta have the cajones to sit tight and wait it out. Unfortunately, few can and bail when the going get tough…
    Yep the apathy in the PM market has definitly set in IMHO. like becalmed on a sail boat in the south pacific on a blistering hot day, the sun directly overhead and no place to find any shade, all ya wanna do is get the hell out. This market reinforces your permabear outlook for pm’s. It is just another gruelling extended stompass shake out going on from my viewpoint. Unfortunately, none of us has a crystal ball so only time will tell……

    • Cam Fitzgerald March 12, 2013, 7:22 am

      Don’t tell anyone I said this out loud Tom but I am finally ready to start shopping the miners. I just love bargain hunting at times like this.

    • BigTom March 12, 2013, 8:02 am

      Yep, the HUI has had the snot beat out of it. Unless there is a trap door lurking somewhere in the darkness a bottom must be somewhere close by now, IMHO……

    • Cam Fitzgerald March 12, 2013, 10:49 am

      It was a long wait but it was worth it.

  • gary leibowitz March 11, 2013, 4:06 pm

    The current charts and pattern for the dollar does suggest we still have more to go before gold breaks out. In fact it looks like the dollar has some room to run. I wouldn’t play gold until we see a reversal in the dollar.

    The stock market, coming off a shallow and short correction seems destined to go higher. The QE packages have done its job. If the stock market has some more life in it I would suggest playing silver (AGQ)since it is more tied to manufacturing. I would expect silver to lead the way.

    The charts on a good number of segments have formed a base support line with lower highs, which suggests either a breakout or breakdown in next month or so. If the dollar continues higher it would mean a break down.

    My primary concern would be how the dollar reacts going forward.

    • Cam Fitzgerald March 11, 2013, 4:52 pm

      This is about politics and perceptions, Gary. Gold will break down simply because every policy maker worth his salt already knows that Gold is the standard which will be used to judge their success or failure.

      On that basis alone it is condemned everywhere now and that includes the countries busy buying on behalf of their Central Banks.

    • gary leibowitz March 11, 2013, 10:05 pm

      Please! I heard the same argument about AAPL. Do you remember the discussion that AAPL
      “has to” stay up to keep all the very weighted averages up. In fact Rick thought the first serious drop was a “fake out”. Turned out that a whopping 40 percent drop didn’t cause a dent in the averages.

      It would help to write down the “sure thing” assumptions and test their veracity afterwards. This way you can learn from your mistakes. My reference to “your” mistakes means everyone in general. In fact listening to the numerous reasons why we would never get this far should also be reevaluated. How else can we learn? I myself am surprised that my long standing macro view is intact. I hope that doesn’t allow my bets to run away with confidence. Self doubt is a good thing.

      &&&&&&

      What I, and probably others, find most obnoxious about your posts in this forum is that when you recall or summarize the statements and ideas of others, you invariably distort or deliberately misconstrue them to further your own arguments.

      You are often pretty blatant about it, too. With respect to AAPL, I checked my ‘tout’ archives (which you don’t even see because you’ve never been a paying subscriber) and found that, contrary to what you’ve asserted above, I recommended exiting a bull call spread when Apple was making its all-time high just above $700 in September. At around the same time, with my skepticism toward the stock waxing, I recommended buying Dec 620 put/Oct 620 put spreads — a very bearish play that couldn’t have been more timely.

      Your intellectual deviousness seems calculated to provoke arguments where none exist. Don’t you have better things to do? Apparently not. In any case, I’m going to start censoring any posts from you that seem gratuitously provocative or that deliberately distort, misstate or misrepresent what others have said. I gather that you spend so much time in here because you enjoy getting a rise out of people. If so, I’m out to spoil your fun every chance I get.

      RA

    • gary leibowitz March 12, 2013, 5:09 pm

      Rick are you saying that you never mentioned that there was manipulation when the stock had a sudden drop and then moved up? Did you not say that DaBoys needed to keep AAPL up, and any deep drop would cause the rest of the market to go down with it?

      I guess I will have to copy these articles since my memory is so bad.

      You and your followers do bring up any and all negative news and amplifies it to major proportions. I can’t understand why, given the fact that the market isn’t and doesn’t react in such a fashion. The last year of anticipated doom is present in a good number of the articles.

      &&&&&&&

      No one, including me, could have imagined that the lunatic Mother of All Bull-Trap rallies begun in 2009 would continue to rampage with Apple shares collapsing. So yes, I got it wrong. But what, exactly, is your point?

      Just as I thought: just jerking yourself off, was all. RA

    • redwilldanaher March 12, 2013, 9:12 pm

      Gary cementing his “tool” status yet again.

      ? for you Gary.

      Did you believe that the PPT existed in the 90’s?

      Let’s see if you can be truthful and direct just once…

    • redwilldanaher March 12, 2013, 9:13 pm

      Even Jim Jubak isn’t impressed Gary.

      He was a true believer in the 90’s and conceded that he’d learned a lesson after that artificial bubble finally popped.

      http://money.msn.com/investing/4-reasons-to-ignore-dows-new-highs

    • gary leibowitz March 13, 2013, 11:08 pm

      Rick, I have not a clue on your subscriber based bets. I am only talking about the obsessive doom and gloom talking points since I frequented this site. All thru the doubling of the market everyone is focused on how it can stumble, or why it is doomed to fail, and uses that as a reason to stay out of the market. 4 years have gone by as if this is incidental. In my mind 4 years is a strong trend. Trends change as this will. I expect the next trend change to be painful with perhaps a 50 percent drop from its highs, but don’t hold this as gospel. I change as the information changes.

      Since there was no retribution for the greed that took us to the brink, a good number of people believe that can only happen with govenment approval, and therefore we live on a lie. I believe government intervention was a given, with any time period and any administration. I rely on human nature to take over. I also believe human nature will once again play a part in our stumbles. Time is a great equilizer.
      I suspect in a years time everyone will be in a self congratulatory mood if the market falls. I just want to place some sanity into the discussion. We are enjoying a resurgence of some sorts from the last 4 year period. To dismiss it as fake does a disservice. You can’t expect to play the market if you refuse to play by its own rules. They use earnings and monthly economic data points to guide them. They being the masses that control and place their money in the market, and have direct influence on it. I wouldn’t bet against them, but rather figure out when the trend has changed, before the masses exit in droves.
      You believe they will exit on a dime catching the individual off guard. I believe it is the exact opposite once you get rid of emotional attachments. The individula has a great advantage in this regard.

  • Cam Fitzgerald March 11, 2013, 12:38 pm

    Well I just listened to the Al Korelin show you linked Rick. Very interesting may be an understatement. Al seems genuinely dumbfounded over the losses he has been suffering on his gold holdings. If he is representative of the masses then what I am hearing is indeed capitulation in the current environment. In expressing his own sentiment he wonders aloud if it would be better to sell (after being down 50 or 60 percent on some investments) and trying to time getting back into the market at a later date. “Buying back in lower” as he put it. There is not a better way to lock in losses now is there? This was a classic commentary in herd behaviour in my opinion. When markets are peaking everyone wants to get on the boat (think housing 2005) yet when they tank and threaten to not return and others are bailing out with vigor the automatic reaction is to sell and move on with your investment life. And who can blame them? Some call that “cutting losses” and the theory is not a bad one if you execute early enough but in Al’s case the expression “It is darkest before the dawn” does spring instantly to mind. As you pointed out though, your call for a bottom in GDXJ at 13.15 (a preposterous number to the Gold bulls back when you first expressed it) may yet be in the cards meaning more pain is on the way before the first signs of a turnaround appear. Anyway….thanks for the link. I enjoyed the show and your commentary.

    • Dale March 12, 2013, 12:26 am

      Another interesting note regarding Rick’s appearances on Al Korelin’s program is the time it takes to get his point across with no hedging. 1-segment does it. That’s all it takes. Others stumble around for 2 or more segments (ie: Jeff Deist and Peter Grandich in this weekends show) to make sure they are covered regardless of which way the market moves.

  • Cam Fitzgerald March 11, 2013, 9:41 am

    What is interesting here is the lack of enthusiasm to even discuss Gold anymore. Ordinarily a good article on Gold and Gold stocks would elicit dozens of remarks in short order……but it is like a ghost town here today. Are we finally seeing capitulation and buyer exhaustion? Clearly, many are feeling burned and let down by Golds poor performance these past months and the even worse results printing for most metals stocks. Sentiments are hitting all time lows…..there is finally blood in the streets as they say (and most of the nuts have been shaken loose). Perhaps Goldmans estimates for 1400 dollar gold this year are not so far off the mark. It seems unlikely we will see Gold and Silver hit new highs this year given the tone of commentary on the sites I usually visit. Hope has faded, the dollar is strengthening and inflation is stubbornly low. What impetus would there be to push prices up other than Central Banks and the Chinese doubling or trebling their purchases? In other words, this is shaping up to be a bad year for metals even if good theoretical buying opportunities are being presented.

    • Carol March 11, 2013, 3:00 pm

      Cam >> “and inflation is stubbornly low”

      ok Benny which stores and gas stations and utiltity companies and insurance companies and schools do you frequent? Because every thing I buy is going through the roof! My water/sewer bill that was very high for the area I live in just DOUBLED!

      Quite with this nonsense low inflation bullshit!

    • Cam Fitzgerald March 11, 2013, 6:52 pm

      Cut the rhetoric Carol. Unless you are a damn fool you know inflation numbers are based on broad averages and a specific basket, not just a few grocery store receipts. Even the idiots over at Shadow Stats cannot give a proper accounting or explanation for thier inflated numbers regarding inflation within the economy. We are still battling deflationary forces in case you just caught on and that will be the ongoing theme if we cannot break out into a genuine economic expansion. Seriously, no wonder you and Gary are so irritating to everyone. You don’t seem to understand even the basics or seriousness of what is taking place.

    • Carol March 11, 2013, 10:17 pm

      Cam

      LOL you are equating me the “bears’ bear hardcore deflationist” to “Pollyanna, buy stocks” Gary! That is so very funny I can hardly restrain myself. I am “so irritating to everyone”? I can’t remember a SINGLE “irritated” retort to anything I have ever posted on this site so I would like to know whom here am I irritating? You?

      You state that I “don’t seem to understand even the basics” – What are you kidding me? I have a better grasp of what is, has, and will continue to happen far better than yourself I beleive.

      Also should you get your head out of your ass and you go over to shadowstats or even live in the real world you would find out very quickly that it is NOT just “a few grocery store receipts” that are inflating but everything one needs to live – energy, utilities, health, insurance, food, cloths, cars, as well as non essentials like stocks, bonds, collectables, guns, and ammo everything EXCEPT homes and electronics is inflating in price and at double digit annual percentages.

      I beleive you have me confused with someone else, try again.

    • gary leibowitz March 13, 2013, 10:32 pm

      Carol, you are blackballed! Tread lightly and perhaps they will pardon you.

      Me, I am not a Pollyanna by any stretch of the imagination. What I am is correct. Market is doing what I said it would over a year ago, and is actually hitting my last phase up scenario. I find it interesting that as the economic data comes out more and more positive, there is either silence here, or total denial verbiage with such generalities that it could have been stated 1,2 or 3 years ago.

      So I suggest you huddle down with this group of friends and pretend the market is delusional until it starts fallling again. Delusional earnings expectations that have been “spot on” for the last 4 years. Delusional unemotoinal number crunchers.

      I still can’t reconcile the notion that not only has this government intervened into uncharted waters to keep the markets happy, but it has also controlled the stock market movement, as well as allowed corporate america to lie about its real earnings. A massive undertaking with such complexity that it would require round the clock hands on geniuses to control. Or…. perhaps a silly notion that everything was done with total transparency, much to the dislike of retribution minded individuals.

      Don’t confuse the word transparent with manipulation. This market has been manipulated and everyone here knows exactly what they did.

  • Rich March 11, 2013, 1:29 am

    Gold sentiment the lowest since 2010, but contrary LT Big4 only 13.3% short.

    It may only be a matter of time until hypothecated unallocated bullion ETFs/ETNs default, leveraged or not, and people run into legitimate miners and physical.

    GDX target 35.
    GDXJ target 5.
    NEM target 30.
    SLW target 28.

    A Trailing Buy Stop could catch a turnaround before these targets are reached.

    NEM was owned by Goldsmith, Rothschilds and Soros.

    US Mint sales of American Eagles currently set all-time records, and the mint ran out of silver blanks twice in the last three months.

    Not everyone knows silver is 200 times as rare as gold by price.

    When miners start paying dividends in precious as Rob McEwen and Eric Sprott advocated, they may take off like AAPL, GOOG, MNST, NFLX or PCLN did.

    Homestake total return up +579% from 1929 to 1935; HM rose from $80 to $495 with dividends up to $56.

    http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials/great_crash.html

    Of course margin calls in market crashes hit gold stocks as well and create buying ops…