Thoughts on Bubbles and the Slippery Slope

[Our friend Doug Behnfield, the savviest financial advisor we know, says stocks are extremely vulnerable now but that long-term bonds, far from being in a bubble, are about to explode and send yields below two percent. He explains why in the letter below. It went out to clients in mid-April, and although the S&Ps have since continued their surreal rise into record territory, little else has changed. RA]

In many ways, 2013 has started off like 2012. Long term Treasury bond rates started 2012 at 2.9% and spiked to 3.5% by April 19. That was the peak and they finished the year practically unchanged. We began this year with the yield at 2.95% and by April 11 they hit 3.28%. Rates have already tumbled to 2.84%. The S&P500 rose 12% in Q1 2012, peaking on April 2 and making practically no progress for the rest of the year. This year the S&P 500 rose 10% in Q1 and peaked (so far) on April 11. At this time last year my most important question from an investment standpoint was: Is the back up in rates a mere correction or a slippery slope? Is the almost unanimous opinion that the Great Bull Market in Bonds is over correct? A secondary (and closely related) question was: What is the outlook for the economy and the stock market? Apparently, no matter how much things change, the questions remain the same.

First, I will try to tackle the generally accepted view that we have a bond bubble. Here is a recent quote from Robert Shiller; the famed Yale economist and author of Irrational Exuberance in USA Today on April 4, 2013:

“Irrational exuberance is the psychological basis of a speculative bubble. I will define a speculative bubble as a situation in which news of price increases spurs investor enthusiasm which spreads by psychological contagion from person to person, in the process amplifying stories that might justify the price increase and bringing in a larger and larger class of investors, who, despite doubts about the real value of the investment, are drawn to it partly through envy of others’ successes and partly through a gambler’s excitement.” The full article entitled “Beware of Those Who Cry ‘Bubble’ About Bonds” can be found by clicking here.  It is brief and well worth the time to read.

Enthusiasm Missing

Today, the missing ingredient for a bubble in the bond market is investor enthusiasm. A large part of the demand for bonds is the result of the public being forced to wade out into the risk pool in order to earn a better return than that is currently available in certificates of deposit and other guaranteed investments. After all, at 0.50%, $1 million invested in a 1 year CD pays $5,000 per year in interest income. After Medicare premiums, you are left with tuna fish salad for dinner.

The dilemma for conservative investors goes well beyond low CD rates. Although yields on high quality long term bonds are reasonably attractive compared to normal spreads with inflation, the message from Wall Street is that long term bonds are risky almost to the point of being stupid, because rates have no where to go but up. Having eliminated long bonds as a choice, investors have been encouraged instead, to achieve a higher yield either in lower quality but shorter maturity bonds, or in dividend paying stocks. Because the long end of the high quality bond market is so unpopular, it is experiencing the opposite of a bubble: a level of negative sentiment that substantially reduces the market risk.

Reaching for Yield

Nevertheless, not being in a bubble does not mean that the risks are not great. As Ray DeVoe famously said, “More money has been lost reaching for yield than at the point of a gun.” The yield on junk bonds, emerging market debt, structured debt and every other type of “spread product” are at record lows, particularly in relation to risk-free Treasury securities. (“Spread product” refers to any fixed income security with default risk). In the event that the economy takes a turn for the worse, riskier bonds can drop in price even as government bonds appreciate due to a “flight to quality” and because there is a positive deflationary impact on investment grade bonds during downturns. In fact, this scenario is perfectly normal during recessions and the 2008-2009 “Great Recession” was a recent and dramatic example. In 2008, only Treasury bonds went up in price and everything else, even Coca Cola bonds got hammered. So on one hand it does seem likely that there will be some real disappointment for investors in spread product in the event that the business cycle is turning down. On the other hand the rally in the long term Treasury bonds and closed-end Municipal Bond Funds may have resumed.

There are many reasons to be concerned about the likelihood that we are once again facing at least an intermediate term top in the stock market. “Sell in May and go away” is the old adage, and in fact significant tops have occurred in early April in each of the last 3 years. In each of those years, Fed stimulus was wearing off and the economy slumped. Last week’s Employment Report combined with the pending impact of tax increases and spending cuts plus renewed weakness in Europe suggest a repeat. In addition, corporate earnings have been declining for the past year and estimates and guidance for this year are coming down. To make matters worse, bullish sentiment toward stocks (particularly the ones that pay higher dividends) is at nose-bleed levels.

Investors About to Punt

In addition to the intermediate risks to the economy and the stock market, there are significant cyclical or longer term risks as well. In fact, based on current levels of sentiment and valuation, we may be facing the third stock market bubble since the peak in 2000. We are all aware that since 1997, the S&P500 has been a meat grinder, alternately rallying and crashing between about 750 and 1500. In retrospect, the wild swings were justified, but to quote another Wall Street adage, “the financial memory is short”. Like Charlie Brown and Lucy, investors are once again setting up to punt. The important question today is: Are we finally achieving escape velocity? Is the “virtuous cycle” returning? The biggest delusion about opting for dividend paying stocks is that investors are being coaxed into the notion that Lucy won’t pull the ball away this time. After all, who would go for a 3% dividend yield on McDonald’s if the stock price was about to be cut in half again? So I am introducing 3 new charts that reflect the state of the market at the last 2 bubble peaks and what we have today. The purpose of the exercise is to illustrate how the current risks are just different enough from the last 2 lousy times to be bullish to convince the crowd that “This time is different”. In addition, notice that by getting to 1600 on the S&P500, the market has reached the “broadening top” target established by the peaks in 2000 and 2007. It really puts the enthusiasm at new highs into perspective.

At the first bubble peak in 2000 (see Chart 1), it was the technology stocks that reflected the new era, in that those with a handle on the leading edge of information and telecommunications technology were creating enormous wealth.

At the bubble peak in 2007 (see Chart 2), everyone was going to be rich because the juggernaut of the US housing market was a linear wealth builder and once again, no one had to lift a finger! And all the financial companies like (Merrill Lynch and Countywide-oops) Goldman Sachs could mint money financing the expansive consumer.

No Clear Leadership

Here at the current visit to 1500 on the S&P500 (see Chart 3), it is nearly impossible to identify some glorious economic driver. The fact that there is no clear leadership theme is likely to make it much more difficult for both fundamental and technical analysts to identify the top, once it occurs. Apple Computer was the poster child for the bull market from the 2009 trough, and perhaps other consumer discretionary names like Netflix, Chipotle and Amazon should be included, but did they ever capture the “new era” imagination of the public? Did they create a broad perception of economic prosperity? And more importantly, why did Apple stop going up in September and drop by 40% in 6 months if the bull market is just getting started?

The answer is that this latest bull market is courtesy of the Fed. First of all, they have stated that they want stock and real estate prices to rise, causing a “wealth effect” that will propel the economy to a self-sustaining growth trajectory. Second, there is a widely held belief that the Fed will come to the rescue with additional support if the market or the economy starts to slide. That is not quite as convincing as the magic of the internet or the linear uptrend in housing prices, but apparently it will suffice. We are left with trying to figure out when Mother Nature will trash this particular illusion.

All Eyes on Japan

I have underestimated the extent to which bubbles can inflate enough times to be truly humble, but there is something happening right now that really bears watching as a harbinger of change. During this last Fed-driven cyclical bull market, every announcement of a higher level of stimulus kept the party going. In fact, the decline that ended in June 2012 was attributable to the European Central Bank promising to “do whatever it takes”. And in Italian, no less! The decline that occurred after the election was brought to a halt by the Fed returning to the table with “QE Infinity”. In the last few days, Japan has entered the fray with a Kamikaze QE that is almost as big as the Fed announced last fall: $76 billion per month of liquidity injections into the global financial markets (the Fed is doing $85 billion). Japan is not that big a country. In the past, almost all the stock markets around the world responded bullishly to central bank intervention. If the Japanese effort doesn’t catch fire, it could be an indication that central bank liquidity injections are no longer synonymous with creating demand for financial assets.

In the meantime, the current level of valuation in the stock market is based on the hope that the Fed will succeed, not earnings momentum or an encouraging global economic reality so there is potentially a lot of air underneath it.

Does the latest backup in interest rates signal a slippery slope for investors in the long end of the bond market? I think not. The 30 year Treasury bond yield bottomed in July at 2.46% and rose all the way to 3.28% a few weeks ago, but it has already gotten half of it back. The yield on long-term closed end Municipal Bond Funds have been turned around again in the low 6% area and they seem to be very cheap compared to 0.50% CD rates. In the absence of a durable, self-sustaining expansion in the economy, rates should be headed lower and bond prices should be headed higher, extending the trend that began in 1981 a bit longer.

  • John Jay May 7, 2013, 9:01 pm

    Red,
    Here is another piece of evidence for “The law?? What law? Where’s the law Drew?”

    From counterfeitingstock.com

    ” It (RICO) applies to almost all types of fraud except federal securities fraud. The cabal of shorts who collusively attack multiple victim companies utilizing the same illegal tactics is a text-book example of a RICO “criminal enterprise” engaged in multiple predicate acts. The securities industry managed to exempt themselves from civil RICO litigation during the Clinton administration.”
    Link: http://tinyurl.com/d847ope

    Exempt from RICO prosecution.
    Thanks Slick Willie!
    TLWLWTLD?

    • redwilldanaher May 7, 2013, 9:48 pm

      Not hard to figure out that the law is another arrow in TPTB’s quiver…

    • Rick Ackerman May 7, 2013, 10:18 pm

      I think Chief Bromden (“One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest”) nailed it with this immortal line:

      “Ahhh, Juicy Fruit!”

    • Troll May 8, 2013, 2:24 am

      I prefer this one … “You can shear a sheep a thousand times, but you’ll only skin it once.” From “Rounders.”

  • John Jay May 7, 2013, 5:01 pm

    Buster,
    MSM movies/television are mostly childish, CGI filled junk, however once in a while they really hit the mark.
    Especially when you get a great presentation of a great line by a great actor/actress.
    Here, once again, are my favorites when a character reaches an epiphany of understanding as to the way things really work in this world.

    ‘The law?? What law? Where’s the law Drew?
    Deliverance

    “You mean there’s a catch?”
    “Sure there’s a catch, Catch-22.”
    “You’re not against Catch-22 are you?”
    Catch 22

    “Mr. Chambers, don’t get on that ship! The rest of the book, “To Serve Man”, it’s, it’s a cookbook!”
    Twilight Zone

    Perfect lines to express our current situation in this country.

    “What law?”
    The oligarchs are exempt from The Law.
    We have no legal recourse to protect ourselves from them.

    “Catch -22”
    The slow motion destruction of our economy and freedoms since the 1960’s which is a Policy that officially does not exist and therefore can’t be undone, revoked or protested against.

    “It’s a cookbook!”
    Thousand page laws with titles that contain recipes designed to destroy us, our way of life, and our wealth.

    Please add your own to this list.

    • redwilldanaher May 7, 2013, 6:31 pm

      I will gladly add to the sterling list that you’ve started JJ.

      For the silent disciples of Pangloss:

      “Who’s being naïve, Kay?”
      Michael Corleone – The Godfather

      For the Panglossian Apologists:

      “Why Richard, it profits a man nothing to give his soul for the whole world… but for Wales?” – Thomas More – A Man for All Seasons

      For those who can’t understand why a human being can be frustrated by the goings on (lamenting them) while still profiting (survival instinct) from them:

      “Gentlemen of the court, there are times that I’m ashamed to be a member of the human race and this is one such occasion.” –
      Colonel Dax – Paths of Glory

      For every stone-cold idiot that doesn’t understand the digust many of us have for governments, corporations and sociopaths:

      Strelnikov demands to know what Zhivago will do once he reaches Varykino.
      Zhivago answers, “Just live.”
      Dr. Zhivago – Dr. Zhivago

      From me, since some of you elitist collaborators will never get it put any other way:

      Leave us the f@ck alone…

    • Buster May 7, 2013, 10:20 pm

      I like movies with hidden meanings relating to the current world situation, in the vein of the Wizard of Oz being written about the financial system. Obviously ‘The Matrix’ is one, but ‘In Time’ was a quite good recent one, as well as ‘Cloud Atlas’.

  • Rich May 7, 2013, 3:40 pm

    Re the slippery slope of dope, hope and rope:

    In 2006 the former Chair and CEO of GS, nominated for Treas Sec, did a tax-free swap of some $600 M of GS stock at higher prices to Treasuries at lower prices.

    So far he is well in the money like Doug’s clients for the last 32 years, maybe not so much in terms of precious.

    Big4 now short most futures even Crude, except Euro, Franc, Kiwi, Loonie, Pound, Ruble, Yen, Treasuries, Nikkei/Yen and a few softs like Cheese, Cocoa, Coffee, Milk and Meats.

    TNX targeting 1.25%.

    Looks like giant liquidity implosion caused by credit collapse insolvency bigger than QE any day now.

    Will Fed destroy what’s left of the dollar economy before velocity at all-time lows picks up into inflation?

    If we read The Hammer sold his Treasuries, we’ll know.

    Meantime DAX at historic high…

    • mario cavolo May 8, 2013, 10:29 am

      Rich, I’ve been short crude from $89 for months and its been a Clus&^%fu*k….up down up down up down from 88 to 98, just recently again with a pop back up to $96……you’re telling me Big 4 is also short crude is encouraging…Cheers, Mario

    • Buster May 8, 2013, 2:08 pm

      Mario, I don’t know what Rick would make of Oil, but I think it might pay off if you can hang onto that short & be patient. Some say it is targeting $35! It wouldn’t surprise me.

  • Deer in Headlights May 7, 2013, 1:56 pm

    If you have checked other sites lately there is a “gary” on every 1 of them. 100 people say it’s a scam and farce and 1 person is there to try and counter every comment.

  • Deer in Headlights May 7, 2013, 6:45 am

    Just a quick note on the gold “slope”. Almost every jewelry store in mainland China has been cleaned out. This isn’t the cheap American crap 10k-14k, this is 22k-24k. You can say jewelry is a small %, compared to the big fish shorting tons at a time. But when a few hundred million people are buying 1 ounce necklaces it can add up pretty quickly.. Same with silver. The rings and bracelets are cleaned out.

    • mario cavolo May 8, 2013, 10:26 am

      Right, I’ve forgotten to mention this point on gold. Pretty much all gold in China is 24k. Our gold wedding bands included, and yes, because of it, the metal is too soft and they lose their shape more easily. I had more gold added to my own wedding band a couple years ago because it was getting misshapen too easily…Cheers, Mario

  • John Jay May 7, 2013, 4:31 am

    Gary,
    Productivity in the USA has been on a steady 45 degree up slope since 1950.
    Hourly compensation matched the gains in productivity until about 1973 when it flat lined even as productivity continued to climb.
    The Great Inflation that started in earnest in the 1970s meant that workers pay never kept up with the rate of inflation.
    The wealthy used their influence with the Government to create a national policy of Open Borders and Off Shoring to insure that workers could never catch up.
    Here is a link to a nice little article and some nice little charts concerning the productivity/compensation gap.
    http://tinyurl.com/comq5gt

    I have been reduced to hoping that Ben can continue to pull off his scheme because I do not want to see the USA go Argentine or Beirut and it is now either or, we will not return to market driven interest rates at this stage of the game.

    And my candy bar inflation watch has a Snickers bar at a new low of 1.68 oz. which sells for between $.99 to $1.39 depending on where you shop.
    It now looks so tiny when you hold it in your hand it is hilarious.
    Fig Newtons now have a 12 oz package of cookies, shrinkage in quantity, inflation in price in the cookie aisle too.

    • mario cavolo May 7, 2013, 11:48 am

      JJ…my Carrefour can of sardines packed in extra virgin olive oil, (great source of omega-3’s) has gone from 15 to 21 rmb ( $2.50 to $3.50) That’s huge quiet inflation on consumer prices, many other products the same here….nuts! Cheers, Mario

    • Buster May 7, 2013, 11:58 am

      Good link, JJ.
      So, Gary’s ‘sweet spot’, or rather ‘sweat spot’ is based on the workers working harder, producing more, being paid less in a growing pay disparity between low earners & high earners, more of the profits from this productivity going to the financial or capital arena, while paying out more for the goods they need to live! What isn’t there to love for any would be investor in such an achievement?!

      Finally, adding insult to injury, those who do manage to come out ahead are given no alternative investments other than throwing their money right back into the financial arena, thereby maximizing the complete theft of the economy that is the agenda & goal of the Corporate Fascist model of government, which is itself just a symptom of the self serving & self indulgent corrupt nature of man that lies behind the facade of responsible leadership, that spins all it’s actions & dictates to maintain such an illusion.
      It does explain some of the utter contempt for such a system many feel, as well as towards those who see fit to play along with this game by the rules imposed on us, even arguing the correctness of their decision to the ‘unenlightened’.
      Count me out. I’ll take no part in this corruption, mostly due to my total disgust of those who take privilege rather than responsibility, but who are likely just chaff awaiting the fire anyway.

    • redwilldanaher May 7, 2013, 6:13 pm

      Great job JJ and Buster! You two can always be counted on for HQ output!

      I noticed that the “Gary” has yet to surface and show some sort of measured response to your comments…

    • gary leibowitz May 7, 2013, 6:52 pm

      JJ, all you say is true. I even said the same thing in response to Rick’s comment. I don’t condone this. The ability to shift power to the few from the 80’s on was due to a concerted shift by governments to encourage borrowing. It has worked. When that dried up the government decided to increase social programs and benefits using funny money, in order to allow the power shift to remain. Yes I agree with all that. My premise to fix this is one not many here like. Strict enforceable rules that “prevent” individuals and corporations from gaining that power. it will happen again, but not till maximum citizen pain is felt and involvement in government.

      I look at this economy in a time frame that suggests change starts out slowly and builds to a critical point. We are now in the phase where hope and denial is still rampant. As long as governments, by any means, can control or slow down this change, the stock market will do well. I just don’t see any real tipping-point occurring yet. In fact I am inclined to conclude that a one year correction will happen but resembling a normal correction from this mega bull 5 year run. I expect a 20 percent drop followed by yet another big move up. I will of course change this position if conditions change.

    • gary leibowitz May 7, 2013, 6:55 pm

      Buster, all economies is based on an illusion. We barter and trade for paper money printed by different governments in the faith it will continue to have some illusionary value. All commerce is built on faith.

    • redwilldanaher May 7, 2013, 9:44 pm

      Just as the government lied about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and is now repeating the lie about weapons of mass destruction in Syria, the government lies about jobs and the unemployment rate. What doesn’t the government lie about?

      Anyone who thinks an economic recovery has been ongoing since June 2009 can cure themselves of the delusion by looking at this chart:

      http://www.shadowstats.com/imgs/2013/839/image008.gif?vcode=a30565410417421b

      Dr. Paul Craig Roberts

    • Buster May 7, 2013, 10:11 pm

      Really, Gary?

      Well, on that bombshell I think I’ll say goodnight.

  • Deer in Headlights May 7, 2013, 2:32 am

    a c.o.mp.any is all about $ and profits. If they can make more $ manuf. in Japan or China why would they start to manuf. in the US? This simple concept alone will give a “tell” about any possible future “yet here we are” concept.

  • Deer in Headlights May 7, 2013, 2:25 am

    Gary (the yet here we are) is nothing but a con being run by con-artists running a smoke and mirrors game. 160,000 jobs created, but total work time is down 12 minutes, which is = to -300,000 jobs. This = stocks up %1? Who knowse gary maybe 1 day the smoke will clear and the truth behind (yet here we are) will be revealed.

    • gary leibowitz May 7, 2013, 6:38 pm

      Exactly! yes slow growth for the consumer is great news for corporations. You hit the nail on the head. Without accelerated growth in jobs we have no demand/supply issues, and no reason to pay higher wages. All this on a consumer that has become more cautious, paid down debt, and still managed to live a lifestyle they want. The number one biggest industry growth these last few decades has been restaurants. I mean really big! How is it possible with everyone on the streets without a job and money? Hmmmm. Another government conspiracy!

      Please stop looking at stats to defend your non defendable position. If the consumer is dead so is earnings. PERIOD!

      Your notion that a company is all about profits is true. They can only do so if they have a consumer base to buy their products. there is a symbiotic relationship. Are you telling me no one is spending? No one still has a good job? No one is going out to have fun? Get a life! This is the new reality. How long this goes on? I have my theory. Just watch for good news for the consumer. the better the news the worse it will become for profits. A balancing act that requires the consumer to accept his new role of less benefits and slower pay growth.

  • gary leibowitz May 6, 2013, 7:21 pm

    Even Warren Buffet is questioning the “Bernanke Plan”. Looks like he is getting a bit nervous. That’s is one red flag. The interest rate’s have not moved higher, and no indication it will. The dollar is not breaking down and might even start rising to the 90 level. World has adapted the QE plan.

    As for earnings, the gross margins are way out there. I am talking never before seen productivity. That great news in itself might become very bad news for the future if the margins break down. The P/E ratio is getting up there but not yet in over-bought territory.

    The future expectations is still double digit returns. If that doesn’t pan out that too can cause a nice drop.

    I think we will see SPX hitting 1628 at the least before we correct.

    I also can’t understand why people are shaking their heads over this 5 year recovery. You complain how the government is intervening to keep rates low and support the stock market, yet at the same time you don’t believe their efforts had any real affect on earnings?

    It did and does. In fact I would have loved to be one of those complaining CEO’s these last 5 years. Complaining all the way to the bank.

    So to recap the failed assumptions:
    1 – Ben will cause rates to spike.
    2 – Ben will cause the dollar to go into free fall.
    3 – There is no way this economy could recover, or even stabilize over the last 5 years (yet here we are).
    4 – Corporate earnings can’t be sustained simply by cost cutting (yet here we are).
    5 – Consumers will default on housing, and all other revolving debt, yet it is actually improving.
    6 – The affect from QE will diminish as each phase takes hold. 5 years and counting, with employment, unemployment, housing at or near its best levels since the start of the crash.

    While this governments policy is most likely not going to have the same affect in the next 5 years why can no one explain away the reasons? If we don’t understand the cause of this last 5 years we will never understand how it will affect the future. You can’t simply dismiss this as an anomaly or massive faked corporate profits. I have tried to come up with a partial semblance of why but not knowing the key factors to look for it is hard to predict the coming trend. I can only base it on some macro theory, which is fine for a generalized notion, but not for betting.

    &&&&&&

    ‘Never-before-seen’ productivity gains? You ought to bone up on the concept, Gary, starting with what the Austrians think. In fact, they pay it little heed, since “increased” “productivity” that yields no gain in the standard of living is fundamentally meaningless. RA

  • mario cavolo May 6, 2013, 7:34 am

    When I asked a business friend who is no dummy and has most of his money for long term growth in the stock market via funds, “why is your most of your money in the market, he simply said “Where the hell else is there to put it?”. Regardless of the other mind-blowing factors and issues, a continued low interest rate environment is key, as many of us here have noted before. When that trend can and may change, the party will be over and shift us into the next dimension of the world economic model in all its glory, leaving a path of more destruction and deterioration for the 90% in its wake….Cheers, Mario

    • gary leibowitz May 7, 2013, 6:25 pm

      The productivity gains is not meaningless. In fact it has allowed the game to go on. In so doing a recovery becomes possible. The standard of living was decreasing for decades right during the biggest economic boom. So what is your point? The only reason we are feeling it today is because the political mantra today is austerity. This austerity only goes to the common man while they spend on the financial system itself. No one is arguing the point that there will have to be some reckoning on all this spending and debt. My point is that corporations and individuals have learnt that lesson. There is some very positive results from government intervention, the main one is low loan costs. It allowed millions to refinance and pocket the money or pay down debt. I will argue that this game will only be over when the consumer reverts back to the old ways.

      I find it hard to understand how my theory gets discarded even though I have rightfully predicted the current situation while most here live in a time-warp where this 5 year anomaly is a result of some government manipulation. It’s as if 5 years can be accomplished with manipulation and absolute control of all aspects of economic activity both here and abroad.

      Both France and Germany has surprised on the upside with economic activity growth. This current move is in the context of a bull market, not some aberration. Just because you condemn governments practice of printing money and abandoning a true austerity program doesn’t mean it can’t work for a long time. It has worked considering the world was plunged into bankruptcy 5 years ago.

      My point has always been missed or ignored. I contend that we are going to go higher longer than most believe possible. I also believe that the debt structure is such that can’t be fixed with austerity measures today. We are beyond fixing, in my view. I will amend that statement if the world governments can keep this going long enough and with commitment to reduce their debt at a slow enough pace to alter consumer expectations without altering their behavior. A balancing act I believe is just not possible.

      BTW, this would be the 17th Tuesday in a row with a positive finish. The moves so far are very defined and not impulsive. I think the next down move will be related to over shooting on earnings only. I do not see a structural change in the economy.

  • John Jay May 6, 2013, 6:03 am

    We have gone so far into the Twilight Zone that there is no turning back for Ben and the Fed now.
    He has to maintain QEnfinity and ZIRP forever, he has no other plan, and neither does Uncle Sam.
    My WAG as to where Treasury yields would be with no Fed intervention would be the 52 week at 7% and the other durations spread out from there to the 15% a 30 year US Bond should be paying given the level of the ongoing deficits and National Debt.
    Obviously that would implode our economy, so Ben has got to keep those Interest Rate Hounds of Hell on a very short leash indeed.

    And speaking of the Twilight Zone.
    All of the 800 page Patriot type laws passed unread by Congress, if translated into plain English for Joe 6 Pack would mirror that classic Twilight Zone ending where the Earthlings finally translate the “Friendly Aliens” book entitled “To Serve Man”:

    “Mr. Chambers, don’t get on that ship, the rest of the book, “To Serve Man”, it’s, it’s a cookbook!”
    Link:http://tinyurl.com/6j8cuk

    That’s right, NAFTA, CAFTA, Patriot Act, Obamacare, you name it, they could all share the same TZ type title: “To Serve Americans”
    And it is indeed, a cookbook!

    • redwilldanaher May 6, 2013, 5:22 pm

      Great TZ references! Orwell proven prophetic time and time again.

  • TC May 6, 2013, 3:57 am

    Troll:

    Interesting comment which I agree with… mostly.

    Although I agree you mostly hear “The higher the mountain, the further the fall.” and over all the soccer moms are bearish the funniest part about it is 99.9% of them have been 100% invested in stocks the WHOLE TIME.

    S&P 1550 in 2007 they were 100% long. S&P 666 in 2009 they were 100% long. S&P 1600 they are 100% long. I only know one or two people who actually moved their money out of the market and they did it near the lows. Your average run of the mill soccer mom is and will always be 100% long the market because they have their money in “Diversified mutual funds” or “Long term growth funds” which are really just = SPY with more fees.

    • Troll May 7, 2013, 4:51 am

      All I know is most my friends and trading pals aren’t looking to buy this market. They are looking to short it. I can’t say I blame them, but there’s a little bug in my brain that tell me they are wrong. It has to do with Hidden Pivots and some other data.

  • Jill May 6, 2013, 2:52 am

    Just to document my comment on an earlier thread about the American underground economy, where people work “under the table”– paying no taxes, and not being counted as employed, here is an article that refers to a someone who has researched this in depth:

    http://www.newyorker.com/search/query?keyword=Edgar%20Feige

    • mario cavolo May 6, 2013, 7:28 am

      Fabulous Jill, thanks! Cheers, Mario

    • mario cavolo May 6, 2013, 8:12 am

      To me, this is a previously undiscussed game-changing point, going far in explaining the mystery of how America’s lower and middle class is not collapsing worse than many expect it should be according to the “official” statistics.

      Article notes that in Greece, estimated 27% of GDP is “off the books”. In my upcoming book on China, I estimate it at a minimum of 50% if not 100% of China’s GDP; that is well-supported by rigorous observation, data and understanding of the culture here.

      This is a bombshell regarding the U.S.; Feige estimates 2 trillion “off the books” , that’s 15% of official GDP. It makes perfect sense, its exactly the right and reasonable quite response to expect from people who need to survive and make choices facing a given set of circumstances. And with all the wealth increasing to the top 1%, the majority are doing it without an ounce of guilt…

      from the article…”Americans still hold an enormous amount of cold, hard cash—as much as seven hundred and fifty billion dollars. The percentage of Americans who don’t use banks is surprisingly high, and on the rise. Off-the-books activity also helps explain a mystery about the current economy: even though the percentage of Americans officially working has dropped dramatically, and even though household income is still well below what it was in 2007, personal consumption is higher than it was before the recession, and retail sales have been growing briskly (despite a dip in March). Bernard Baumohl, an economist at the Economic Outlook Group, estimates that, based on historical patterns, current retail sales are actually what you’d expect if the unemployment rate were around five or six per cent, rather than the 7.6 per cent we’re stuck with. The difference, he argues, probably reflects workers migrating into the shadow economy. “It’s typical that during recessions people work on the side while collecting unemployment,” Baumohl told me. “But the severity of the recession and the profound weakness of this recovery may mean that a lot more people have entered the underground economy, and have had to stay there longer.”

      Rick, apologies, I’m off topic…

      Many thanks for sharing Doug’s work, I concur with his view on bonds…low interest rates are going to continue and continue lower, come hell or the next ice age…

      Cheers, Mario

  • Troll May 6, 2013, 1:49 am

    Let’s go over Mr Behnfield’s third paragraph:

    “Irrational exuberance is the psychological basis of a speculative bubble. I will define a speculative bubble as a situation in which news of price increases spurs investor enthusiasm which spreads by psychological contagion from person to person, in the process amplifying stories that might justify the price increase and bringing in a larger and larger class of investors, who, despite doubts about the real value of the investment, are drawn to it partly through envy of others’ successes and partly through a gambler’s excitement.”

    Now that we have that out of the way, please tell me how we have a bubble in the stock market? Maybe I don’t get out enough, but I certainly don’t hear soccer moms and minor league traders telling me how much money they’ve made in the stock market. What I get from most of them is, “The higher the mountain, the further the fall.” What I get, predominantly, is unprofessional “traders” who can’t wait for a market top so they can pile into their bearish ETF of choice, and make a killing.

    I found it interesting that Mr Behnfield would bring up Apple on his third chart, because back in the fall we were all explicitly warned that Apple, as the new “bellwether” would take the ENTIRE market down with it. Prior to that, Goldman Sachs was THE bellwether. Both of these stocks faltered during various times from the lows of 2009, and the markets decided at one point or another to ignore both of these so called “bellwethers.”

    I am not surprised in the least to read Mr Behnfield’s accusations that it is the Fed responsible for this rise in the stock market. So what if it is? The Fed has been responsible for a lot of things, and they aren’t about giving people a free ride. They certainly don’t care that you or I question the markets. The Fed is there, like them or not. You can fight them if you want as you go on your never-ending search for the “mother of all tops.”

    Irrational exuberance? Talk to the people out there and tell me that that is what we have going on. All I see is a bunch of people who think the markets have topped and they are champing at the bit waiting toride this sucker down.

    Excuse me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think the markets work that way.

    &&&&&&

    Why nitpick things that have been discussed here to death? How about Doug’s prediction, contra what the whole stupid freaking world thinks, that T-bond prices are about to soar? RA

    • redwilldanaher May 6, 2013, 5:25 pm

      Embrace artificiality with both arms my good Troll…

    • Troll May 7, 2013, 5:00 am

      I know full-well what is going on RedWillander, I just choose to ignore it and follow Rick’s Hidden Pivot Course. Life is simpler that way. You, Red, come up with all kinds of negative tidbits and you might even be right. In fact, I’m sure you are (or you will be eventually). You choose to spend your days reading about horror stories, I spend mine pouring over Hidden Pivot Patterns. Thus far, the course Rick taught me and others, is kicking your butt. However, my “little ray of sunshine,” it will probably all equal out in the end.

    • redwilldanaher May 7, 2013, 5:06 pm

      You’re more of clown than I had estimated. I took Rick’s course over 4 years ago. I’ve written essays that Rick published that concluded that the farce would continue as it has…

      You have no idea what I do, for how long I do it, etc. You’re now coming off as the typical tool that simply by their presence helps to illuminate a bubble for what it is. I wasn’t expecting an imminent popping but with your foolish comments and arrogance, I may need to reevaluate…

    • Troll May 8, 2013, 2:21 am

      That’s fair Red, I am a clown, I admit as much, but you have to appreciate that you often come across as just another grumpy old man.