Visions of the Crash and Its Aftermath

A bad dream jolted me awake one morning last week: the economy had crashed, the banks were shuttered, commerce had ceased, the stores were stripped bare and rioting was everywhere. This bleak vision is not unusual for anyone who has imagined what the U.S. economy is going to look like when the ponderous hoax that sustains it has been fully revealed.** What was most troubling about the dream was that the collapse evidently had taken me and my friends by surprise. The survivalist inventory that we were supposed to have kept in our basements had gone unfulfilled. Still worse, the things we needed most were nowhere to be acquired: food for six months, medical supplies, batteries, ammo, emergency generators, toilet paper, etcetera. In the dream, a friend, a successful financial adviser who has provisioned his retirement generously, was scurrying around town on a vintage motorcycle with a sidecar, trying to scrounge essentials that he had not thought to store against a civilizational emergency.

A Stark Fact

Do we dare doubt that such a day awaits?  If you’re having trouble sorting out the possible reasons why, and if you can’t quite wrap your mind around the certain, deflationary collapse of the banking system’s quadrillion-dollar derivatives bubble, consider just this one fact:  Millions of 20-  and 30-somethings working in low-wage jobs and in debt up to their eyeballs will be footing the bills for the Baby Boomers’ Social Security and Medicare. And now consider this stark fact:  Each and every day between now and 2030, 10,000 Baby Boomers, relatively few of whom are financially prepared for retirement, will reach the age of 65.  If you think there must be a workaround , some path other than mass destitution and tightly rationed health care, then you don’t understand the problem.

So why, if I’m so certain that economic catastrophe awaits, have I not completed the steps needed to prepare for it?  A similar question must have troubled Jews in Germany as the Nazi threat turned genocidal. Even before Kristallnacht, the handwriting was literally on the wall for them, just as it is for those who understand that a global economy sustained by statistical lies, bread-and-circuses government, promiscuous consumer borrowing and a financial shell game of cosmic size cannot end other than badly. Very badly. But like those Jews who chose not to leave Europe, I find myself frozen in place by the very small hope that my worst fears will somehow not come to pass. To imagine otherwise is to court visions of ruin that, for me at least, are just too unsettling to think about.

Edicts Won’t Revive Trust

Meanwhile, I wonder whether those of us who are only half-prepared will ultimately fare any better than those who have taken no steps at all. Anyone in the latter category is implicitly betting that Big Government will take care of each of us if the economy collapses. This is not merely stupid, it is crazy. Washington can’t even run a web site, much less manage the hardships of a Second Great Depression. More likely is that the Government will ratchet up the brazenness of its statistical lies to persuade us that things aren’t nearly as bad as they seem.  And on the inevitable day that the banks don’t open, we will be told that the Obama administration is working on a plan to keep money and credit flowing. This problem will remain unsolved for a week, and then a month, at which point people will come to understand that barter among themselves is the only answer.  President Obamacare and his political toadies will discover then that credit flows on trust alone, and that once that trust fails, it cannot be revived by issuing edicts, or extending deadlines, or forgiving the “non-compliant”. We can only pray that when that point is reached, distrust in Big Government has become so deep and pervasive that neighborhoods, towns, cities, county and states will be left alone to practice the long-lost virtue of  self-sufficiency.

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** My colleague and one-time critic Gonzalo Lira has vividly imagined the economic apocalypse in a fictionalized work, A Secret History of the American Crash. This just-published book is an account of the 2014-2020 meltdown as recalled in riveting detail by those who survived it. Click here for free excerpts or to purchase a digital copy of the book.

  • Michael Lewinski April 7, 2014, 3:26 am

    “I find myself frozen in place by the very small hope that my worst fears will somehow not come to pass. To imagine otherwise is to court visions of ruin that, for me at least, are just too unsettling to think about.”

    If you comprehend that your hope depends upon our politicians doing the right thing for the common good to the detriment of their interests, you should best start unsettling yourself. The status quo isn’t about to give up its stake in our corrupt system.

  • mava April 6, 2014, 11:20 pm

    Gary,

    In one post you have called our current system “a free society”, and then praised the Obummercare. Don’t you know that Obama Care has absolutely nothing to do with freedom?

    I do not want to participate in Obama Care. I do not care what others think of it. It is 100% bad for me. I want some of that alleged free society, and by that I mean I want my right to opt out for Obama Care. Where is it?

    I am violently forced to pay in! You call that a free society?

    You’re mistaken. Your sentence should have read:
    “Whether we fall into another deep depression or not we must realize that this is a result of a society built on tyranny.”

    Once you can admit that, then you will be able to see why the tyrannical society should collapse.

  • gary leibowitz April 6, 2014, 5:09 pm

    The talking points have a familiar flavor, but when intensive scrutiny and bipartisan reports are gathered the black/white issues and rage seem to blend into nothing more than being human. We make mistakes. The notion that we will witness a financial and economic Armageddon is a bit premature. No planners working overtime to scheme such an event. Just good old power and greed. Whether we fall into another deep depression or not we must realize that this is a result of a free society. To conclude the system is not worth saving throws away so many clear benefits, its laughable.

    The latest Benghazi reports paints a picture of human mistakes and dismisses the nefarious conclusions. I urge all to review the latest bipartisan report and see if there really was a cover up. Mr. Stevens himself asked for locals to be trained for additional security. Sorry but all that money and effort wasted just to prove we are human. We love to place blame, looking for conspiracies, to relieve a sense of frustration. Sure is easier than admitting we are human. Look at all the reports this year, concerning the committees conclusions, and tell me where the smoking gun is. The same can be true with the Obama care misinformation. The latest poll puts the program at a 50/50 consensus on keeping it or not. I find that amazing given the hugely slanted biased misinformation campaign. Now we shall see those states, like Kentucky, where so many people would benefit from such a program how their elected officials explain this away. What once was thought of as a slam-dunk political liability is not anymore.

    I would love you all to reexamine some of your most notorious blogs where evil intentions were the conclusions. It’s so easy to get angry and place blame. Not so easy to give details, or even make a connection between cause and affect.

  • Iro Noiro April 4, 2014, 3:36 am

    Gold ~1028

    Havn’t been watching the markets lately, just peaking my head in. Well it would appear the DJIA did not cross the ‘Rubicon’, Rick and Vlad would know what i’m talking about. Gold is STILL hammering out its’ second leg down. Somehow i can’t help but think that the DJIA will crash from Rick’s target and during the process hose the precious metal markets.

    _Iro

    “Add Caution To Caution”

    • Iro Noiro April 4, 2014, 7:42 pm

      -or- the DJIA enters into a phase transition to 37,000 points and along with it gold rallies 400 or 500 dollars reversing the current downtrend, DJIA then crashes as all parabolic blowoffs do, gold corrects momentarily and now we are back into the gold bull. Thoughts?

    • VLAD April 5, 2014, 7:35 am

      iro, amazingly, dow theory closing bell divergence is still standing, since new year’s eve.
      by only 3 points. interesting. also, nasdaq and russell 2000, not doing too well.
      I have no more money to bet, I just watch. all now is new, different, than ever before.
      no rules apply. all is freefloating, in an utter sea of manure, of biggest lies ever.

      re gold and silver, IMO, they are both in a big bear market. fiat dollar is still king.
      for many reasons. main one is the ussa still has most powerful military in the world.
      and for at least a few more years, I think. because force is everything. power is all.

  • Andy Gutterman April 4, 2014, 3:30 am
  • isjosa April 3, 2014, 6:49 pm

    you have to admit , you have been calling for the mother of all crashes for over a thousand s&p points

    &&&&&&

    Are you talking to me, lurker?? What I am in fact calling for at the moment, just to take one example, is a minimum 500-point rally in the Dow, corresponding to a 1933.25 target in the E-Mini S&P. An alternative, 17622 rally target for the Industrial Average has been in effect for months. RA

    • VLAD April 5, 2014, 7:22 am

      damn, rick, you are a wimp. I just turned you into travis bickle, and you wagged out.

      here’s another–

      “All the animals come out at night – whores, skunk pussies, buggers, queens, fairies, dopers, junkies, sick, venal. Someday a real rain will come and wash all this scum off the streets.”

  • VILE VLAD April 3, 2014, 2:04 am

    2 interesting comments/links today—

    one of the best 100% correlation charts I’ve seen in a long time, from todd harrison,
    a 15 months long chart, shows a perfect correlation between sp500 stockmarket action,
    and daily buying action—however, taking out 1st half hour of trading, as ‘most emotional.’
    most emotional being, the ‘dumb money.’ and the ‘smart money, is what comes after.
    and what the chart shows that for first time in 15 months, a MAJOR divergence
    has occured last month, indicating that extreme caution is warranted, right now.
    (also a very good long term vxo chart at bottom of article, going back to 1985)

    http://www.minyanville.com/special-features/random-thoughts/articles/Todd-Harrison-The-Smart-Money-Flashes/4/2/2014/id/54423?camp=syndication&medium=portals&from=yahoo&refresh=1

    and only 1 more thing—tomorrow, there are big news ahead. from draghi and ecb.
    will germans release the purse strings, and allow currency dilution, via QE?
    (and could this be the start of another weimar?)
    so that is what is at stake. for if the krauts allow it to occur, in desperation of
    a declining, deflating, eu overall economy, well, they have opened pandora’s box–
    which could send the ussa dollar, and ussa markets rocketing upward, together,
    which does not happen very often. so keep an eye out tomorrow, there could be fireworks.

    http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-04-02/draghi-has-to-tame-europe-s-inflation?cmpid=yhoo

    • EVIL VLAD April 4, 2014, 4:24 am

      for those that give a rat’s arse, draghi dissembled today, spoke of many talks in their ecb assembly of a possible eu qe, but nothing for sure, just hold and wait mode, and if things get worse (deflationwise).

      however, even though the markets were flat about it, both ussa and eu markets, as I expected, the euro took a daily dive from 1.38 to 1.37 to the dollar. (because, just to consider possible, that germany would ever allow a qe, is mind-boggling, and speaks to the real nastiness of the current eu deflationary situation, that’s increasing monthly).

      • Chuck April 4, 2014, 5:03 pm

        here is an interesting twist on things….true or not?
        http://news.goldseek.com/GoldenJackass/1396638120.php

        &&&&&&&

        I routinely characterize the global banking system, down to the smallest detail, as an epic fraud. There is virtually nothing about it that is not crooked — putrid to the core. Jim Willie takes the trouble to explain why this is so. What amazes is that some of the seemingly outrageous things he says are transparently true. RA

    • VLAD April 5, 2014, 7:45 am

      jim willie knows a lot. however, he is also a hysteric, plus has been actually threatened.
      and he has been damned wrong many times, about his obssession, with precious metals.
      however, about crooked ussa banking institutions, he is about as good, as truthfully gets.

  • The Crash will come April 3, 2014, 12:42 am

    As they say, even a broken clock is right 2x a day. If you predict the crash for years, while missing the biggest bull market the world has ever knows, I am sure you will be right eventually. spx 666 to near 1900 and the crash is called every point higher. this is like calling for the end of the world, and being right in 2 billion years. just remember, being right or wrong is meaningless in the market, it only matters if you are making money. if losing, go be a prophet.

    • Rick Ackerman April 3, 2014, 1:39 am

      You sound like Gary, since nothing you’ve written would accurately describe the discussion that has taken place in this forum or the ideas held by its participants. Why don’t you stick around for some nuance, Mr. Whoever-you-are.

  • gary leibowitz April 2, 2014, 8:24 pm

    Every single economic barometer has shown that the winter months suppressed activity. Jobs, manufacturing, orders, sales, all show better than expected results after the winter thaw. Why is that bit of news placed with skepticism? Is it not logical that if the government supports the economy with excess money, they can eventually have people revert back to their old ways? Why again is this concept so foreign? Why do any of you assume we have hit the proverbial wall when it comes to debt and credit. I have never argued that debt is good, or even that it will work. I merely stated that the stock market will benefit from this slow growth environment. In affect the government has stalled the individual debt implosion. My theory has been that eventually we break out of the slow growth, stagnant wage and job picture. I also stated that in itself will be the cause of the next stock market drop. Higher costs and an over-extended market valuation. I even gave the odds of the government succeeding where another depression is averted as low.

    So I scratch my head trying to figure out why I am such a pariah? It is not good enough to agree that the end result will match your expectations. No, I must agree that we should already be there, and any reference to the fact we aren’t is an indication that I am naïve. I guess since I believe we are following a natural order, and not some massive manipulation, I should be ignored. I guess because I don’t blame social programs and the lazy as the cause of this mess. I also don’t place blame on government intervention. I do place blame for the last 50 year trend on government willingness to relinquish control. I just don’t single out any specific person or group. I also am blasé on this development, blaming human nature and cyclical predictable patterns. Sorry I just don’t see any over night startling development to change my mind. Most people given the right opportunity will use it to their benefit. Greed is not a disease that comes over some people. it is natural that in a capitalist society complacency is proportional to comfort level. This cycle will always be repeated unless we come up with a better system.

    So exactly where have I been wrong? Timing? Recovery? Expected economic growth causing rates and costs to rise? Expecting borrowing, spending and debt by individuals to get back to pre-2009 levels? Expecting rates to hit a critical point where debt is once again strained beyond its limits? I don’t get it! 2/3rds of my theory has already happened. You would think my track record is so dismal as to be laughable.

    Yet you’re insulted that I got it right but for the wrong reasons. Maybe that’s true, but you got it wrong already so I guess your reasons can’t be any better than mine. Logic. I need logic to dictate my actions. None of you have or discuss a system that will work, but tearing down the current one is preferred? Getting rid of social programs that have clearly allowed the middle class some support these last few decades is also shunned.

    I still don’t get it and never will. I should join the “Angry White Man” group. I find it jarring that there have been groups and countries that have suffered so greatly for so long without any real concern for their plight, yet now that our comfort level is reduced we whine even before we actually witness anything close to their tragic experiences. This group will take flight if we do actually come close.

    • mava April 2, 2014, 9:25 pm

      I can’t, of course, read into what is on the mind of other people, so, I’ll just stick to what’s on mine.

      You said:
      “None of you have or discuss a system that will work, but tearing down the current one is preferred? ”

      and immediately after in the same paragraph:

      “Getting rid of social programs that have clearly allowed the middle class some support these last few decades is also shunned. ”

      While the former makes total sense to me, why is the latter statement there, and what does it have to do with the former?

      May-be you confuse your readers? Just like when you first acknowledge all the socialist compliance, regulation, meddling and manipulation that your system is accounting for, only to cap it up with this: ” It is natural that in a capitalist society complacency is proportional to comfort level.” May-be it is natural, but what does our society has to do with the capitalism? Are you considering two different systems in parallel? I don’t know what else might it mean!

      OK, imagine I am saying this: “I am glad everyone is in shackles and in cages, and yes, it is true true that we are all ruled with an iron fist. In a system based on freedom and individual rights, market delivers.” When you read this, don’t you go: “…huh?”

      • gary leibowitz April 2, 2014, 10:35 pm

        Regarding the first 2 statement, I confess I did not make it clear. Abolishing current system with nothing and blaming the current debt problem on social programs is not constructive. Just venting anger without figuring out cause and affect. Please remember I did not point one person out on this, just a general sense of agreement by most on this blog.

        My reference with greed and complacency is simply that they happen all the time in our history, and it’s not unusual. Capitalism will always fall to extremes given the right circumstance. As complacency rises so does greed since there are no voice demanding checks and balances. Perhaps that in itself is the number one reason why politicians like to placate the masses with social programs and the like. It costs them little while they get assured of enough money to win the next campaign.

        The recent Supreme Court decision striking down caps on campaign financing is a sure sign that greed hasn’t hit a wall, and most likely neither has wall street. They actually tie this in with free speech. I guess the person with the largest pocketbook is allowed to talk the loudest.

  • mava April 2, 2014, 4:33 pm

    You say the Washington can’t even run a website.

    Yes, but it isn’t the same as to say that the Washington can’t do anything. They just can’t do anything good. Incapable of anything good.

    They are perfectly capable of evil, horrifying deeds, that all the other imbeciles before them (Hitler, Chingiz Khan, Stalin, Lenin, Lincoln, Peter the Great, Roosevelt…..etc) were capable of doing. Evil is in their blood.

    Obama couldn’t do the website, because that was probably the only, the single tiny miniscule good in his horrific evil violent scheme. The website attempted to provide a service, and this is why it failed. Had it had to do some evil, say somehow murder thousands, it would been made just right up to the task.

    My point: Obama and other terrorists are not incapable, just incapable of good.

  • mava April 2, 2014, 7:33 am

    Gary,

    Since, as I just explained above, the debt is simply vacuuming the working people,

    and

    since you say we are overdue for a super volcano and the galactic equator crossing, which will probably remove the 99.99 % of the working folks,

    may-be all this debt piling up is just the final vacuuming, when there is just no point in leaving anything at all?

    The secret seed banks are stocked, the underground escape facilities are built and sold out. All that is left to do is to keep vacuuming, for as long as there is time.

  • PhotoRadarScam April 2, 2014, 7:28 am

    Rick, why twitter? Some of us old guys don’t get it. Why not send email?

    • Rick Ackerman April 3, 2014, 1:31 am

      Twitter is faster, easier and capable of reaching a bigger audience.

      • mario cavolo April 3, 2014, 5:50 am

        Guys, just an FYI, WeChat is the new king of social and now going global…its an insanely cool and innovative social app…company subscription accounts are available cheap too.

  • mava April 2, 2014, 7:24 am

    Ultimately, what is borrowing?

    1) They borrow from their own CB: Someone prints fake money, send it to your government, they send it to the banks, you easily “earn” it, and then you pay some poor guy to climb the banana tree and to fix your car for it.

    2) They borrow from some foreign CB: Foreigners print fake money to “keep the peg”, send it to your government, they send it to the banks, you easily “earn” it, and then you pay some poor guy to climb the banana tree and to fix your car for it.

    Why would borrowing (debt piling up) ever stop unless the poor guys starts reading Mises? Well, the only other way is for that poor guy to no longer be able to do any work at all.

    To Neil,

    The poor voted for the CIA, did they not?
    The poor love the debt-based monetary system, which gives them that welfare that ultimately destroys them, do they not?

    No argument against me being stupid, but I still see all the pain that the poor experience as completely self-inflicted. No reason to look for a monster. Basically, the rich are simply selling “drugs” to the dumb. Exactly the same thing as the poor sell to each other. The poor sell the drugs that make you believe crap for some time, while the rich sell the drugs that most people believe their entire lives.

    • Neil April 3, 2014, 7:31 am

      The poor voted for the CIA??

      • VLAD April 5, 2014, 7:15 am

        no, neil. the cia voted for the poor.
        and the more poor, the better.

  • Stephen G April 2, 2014, 5:05 am

    Anyone see the 60 Minutes segment?

    http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/is-the-us-stock-market-rigged/

    “Is the U.S. stock market rigged?”

    Well duh.

    • Stephen G April 2, 2014, 5:16 am

      Also, great to see Michael Lewis out with a new book. I was hoping he’d tackle HFT.

      • Rick Ackerman April 3, 2014, 1:33 am

        Amazing that so many Wall Street shills have shown their true colors attempting to rebut him. Speaking as a former floor trader, let me make clear that high frequency trading is theft, period.

  • mario cavolo April 2, 2014, 4:54 am

    When circumstances change over time, individual people and groups and businesses in a society do figure out new responses and create more change.

    For example, in the U.S. as a response to rising healthcare costs and now the rollout of Obamacare, now we see the development of mini medical clinics inside pharmacies all over the country like CVS. As the market changes, people and business identify new gaps, new opportunities and create a new model to fill the gap.

    Second example, the shadow economy. In the U.S. it is growing, very symbolic of more and more people who faced with greater financial, tax and government driven burden in their lives, make a conscious decision to exit the system as much as possible. As Rick mentioned in today’s article, people will barter more and more. In fact, I don’t see the issue with this, private transactions are exactly that, private transactions; out of the purview and eye in the sky watching what we do.

    I have over the past couple of months confirmed that media headlines on the state of how miserable life is, for example, in Greece, Spain and Italy, are nonsense. 2 days ago I gave my book speech to a group of Vlerick MBA students in Belgium, while they were on a visit to China. The group of 60 had folks from 23 different countries, only 2 Americans in the room, one in the audience and myself. They heartily confirmed the idea; making it crystal clear to me that while official unemployment was “x” , in fact, lots of people had lots of cash, were doing business, living their life, off the books, out of the system. I am not surprised at all. This is what any reasonably intelligent person would do. It makes governments and their tax collectors very unhappy. But folks, be very clear; the official story ain’t the real story of what’s really going on.

    Government tyranny and controls rises; people respond. Take the recent story of Korean green card holders in the U.S. Now, Korea is in compliance with FATCA. That means for example, you were born and raised in Korea and put $200,000 in your bank account there. Now you live in the U.S. Now you MUST report that you have that money to the U.S. And now, if you didn’t already report it, your Korean bank will because they have agreed to provide that info to the U.S. government. And that means, by some insane tyrannical new U.S. laws, the IRS will fine you a hefty penalty, not taxes, a penalty, we’re talking tens of thousands of $$ in fines, simply for not having told them the money exists. Koreans are responding, as well they should; many turning in their green cards and leaving the U.S. People do respond when push comes to shove.

    The exception being, as many have pointed out here, certain people in America who have a false, irresponsible sense of entitlement; they are lazy and irresponsible. At the same time though, to a degree their govt, media, society has brainwashed them to be so.

    Cheers, Mario

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    • VILE VLAD April 3, 2014, 1:44 am

      mickey cheerily says–
      “2 days ago I gave my book speech to a group of Vlerick MBA students in Belgium, while they were on a visit to China. The group of 60 had folks from 23 different countries, only 2 Americans in the room, one in the audience and myself. They heartily confirmed the idea; making it crystal clear to me that while official unemployment was “x” , in fact, lots of people had lots of cash, were doing business, living their life, off the books, out of the system. I am not surprised at all. This is what any reasonably intelligent person would do.”

      and would a “reasonably intelligent person” also post this private information on the public net (private money info. about 60 private individuals deriving from mba school in belgium, who trusted you with it), just to show he knows a little something others may not?

      for belgium has a tax collector, you know, and you have just ratted out this 60 mba students. for even though things are slowly changing, towards a shadow money world, worldwide, the tax collector and his laws are STILL very real and strictly enforced, in most countries in the world (except in BROKE corrupt greece, of course, and other countries of their ilk, like BROKE corrupt spain, or BROKE corrupt ukraine, or BROKE corrupt rome, etc-

    • mario cavolo April 3, 2014, 8:53 am

      V, you’re exactly right on this. Let me clarify the group and I were talking not about themselves, but about people in the countries mentioned in the 2nd sentence above; Greece, Italy, Spain. The people who are living their lives in cash out of the matrix, out of the system, by nature and circumstance surely don’t tell.

      Cheers, Mickey

  • EVIL VLAD April 2, 2014, 4:07 am

    miscellaneous tangential links of interest, related to the blog’s main topic, ‘eve of destruction.’

    first, I’ll start with something ‘one eyed garo’ will love, he’ll be like ‘white on rice’ on this one.

    ‘the case for dow 50,000’
    http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/breakout/the-case-for-dow-50-000-192925461.html

    (hate to say this, but based on many historic mania charts I’ve seen, what he cites herein,
    does make sense; however, I consider 50,000 dji farfetched. yet 20,000+, is possible).

    debt continues to be piled on to the hilt, worldwide. incredible. borrow til you burst.
    (a quadrillion in word debt, you say? puhshaaa!! that’s nothing!! it’s going to quintillion!!)

    ussa, private and public, europe as much possible, china and asians too, and don’t forget
    we pesky central and south americans, we can borrow like the best, got to keep up!

    ussa public—
    http://www.elliottwave.com/freeupdates/archives/2014/03/26/Why-$17-Trillion-of-National-Debt-is-Only-Part-of-the-Story.aspx#axzz2xYKBOrpX

    ussa public lies—(because, this is what ‘shadow stats’ has to say—
    current 23% ussa unemployment! and NEGATIVE 1.8% ussa gdp!)
    http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/unemployment-charts
    http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/gross-domestic-product-charts

    ussa’s huge private debt—
    http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/we-re-in-a-private-debt-crisis-that-will-lead-to-the-next-economic-collapse–richard-vague-142901568.html

    and let’s not forget every ussa white man’s ‘best caring friend’, your kenya king obumba–
    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/obamacare-taxpayers-hole-1-5-094500219.html
    http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Columns/2013/11/27/Obamacare-Aftermath-Fewer-Doctors-Higher-Costs
    http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2014/02/26/Consumers-Hit-Surprise-Tax-Obamacare-Premium

    china and asia—
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-28/mcdonald-says-china-debt-bomb-is-major-concern-audio-.html?cmpid=yhoo
    http://www.bloomberg.com/video/china-s-clearly-in-a-credit-bubble-tarantelli-uWRjosOJRf~NBkHhC3h66w.html?cmpid=yhoo
    https://screen.yahoo.com/china-could-heading-towards-economic-122809234.html

    all of europe—
    can’t find the damn link now, but trust me, says EVIL VLAD, they are all borrowing
    to the hilt, germany too, with current ‘low’ (sucker) interest rates, so borrow borrow!
    (I wonder who are the idiots that keep lending to these way overleveraged eu countries,
    do they think this crap can go own forever, of living way above your means, of repayment?

    central and south america—
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-30/latin-america-more-vulnerable-than-before-2008-crisis-idb-says.html?cmpid=yhoo

    (hot off the presses,
    beautiful coastal chile just got blasted by an 8.2 richter terremoto,
    very bad news bears there, so I’m glad I ain’t there, yet very close).
    so watch out faultline californians, the earth crack may hit you this week.

    but hey!!!!!!! dji 50,000, here we come!!!!! buy buy buy, says EVIL VLAD!!!! up forever!!!

    (ps— ras-putin ain’t remotely done. but he will strike where least expected.
    huge troops show in the east? well, you can bet, putin will strike, from the west.
    area of moldova.
    like I said a month ago, putin wants ALL ukraine ports. so landlocked ukraine, he’ll let go.
    he already has crimea. and he’s playing toesy now with your laughable ussa kenyan clown,
    to buy time. and to create his illusion further. ‘I don’t want more. nono. not me, putin.’
    hahaha.

    • mario cavolo April 3, 2014, 5:44 am

      V,

      I can’t believe what I hear and how others hear the exact same words but somehow don’t hear it.

      The very link YOU posted V: Here’s what the “expert” said:

      “China has ample capitalization to deal with this”.

      “estimate $2-$3 trillion in bad loans in the private sector, not small relatively speaking.”

      He neglected to mention that China has a shadow economy of $6 to $10 trillion that is off the books, not counted in GDP. No one denies the existence of this shadow economy, it is integral to the society; ignorance is NO excuse, they simply are unaware of it and mistakenly exclude it from their analysis, thereby misleading everyone. If you are going to talk to me about $2 to $3 trillion in a country’s private sector debt you damn well better also mention that there is $6 trillion in private sector cash outside of all official figures in that particular country; not a point to dismiss. Hopefully, with my book on the subject being published in coming weeks in North America, more people will be up to speed on China’s state of affairs. You tell me a China street vendor is shabby looking and broke; I tell you he works 60 hours a week over ten years, earning $200/day in cash off the books, unreported, and has $150,000 in his bank account, where you thought he only had $10k. That’s called clarifying your mistaken assumptions. And that’s why he’s driving a new Ford Focus for which he paid cash and why his son is in university in England or Canada; whilst you scratch your head in wonder? It aint complicated.

      “China central govt’ debt is only 30% of GDP as opposed to U.S. central govt debt at 100% of GDP.”

      Gee, maybe that 70% difference is meaningful?
      When China’s central govt debt gets to 80% from its current 30% , give me a call, there’s something to talk about here.

      Cheers, Mario

      • mario cavolo April 3, 2014, 5:47 am
      • mario cavolo April 3, 2014, 8:48 am

        Here V here, reply HERE to THIS. Mickey.

      • mario cavolo April 3, 2014, 11:03 am

        Let me be not so haughty that Merrill Lynch’s economists “reiterate their forecast for 7.2% growth this year (missing the government’s target of “about 7.5%”), but also “believe the chance for China to be hit by a nationwide financial collapse is extremely small, and we think the market is overly bearish on China.”

        HSBC economists adding “This may be a start of a slew of fine-turning measures. We think Beijing still has other options in their toolkit, such as the lowering of the entry barriers in various sectors, spending or incentives for environmental protection, as well as more urban infrastructure (such as subway), if needed,” they write in a note out Thursday.

        And on that note, an announcement of new rules for easier registration of private businesses, whereas until this month, when registering a domestic company there was a requirement to deposit a registered capital minimum of 100,000rmb at startup. ($16k) . That is no longer a requirement, along with a few other changes making it even easier for people to start businesses….you mean there’s a PRO private sector business environment with a government that continues reforms encouraging and making business easier to do, not harder, in China? My wife just registered our new commerce & enterprise company. There is one govt tax on revenue her company has to pay and its 3.1 % . No state tax, no county tax, no city tax, far less barriers to doing business…wish it were so for SME’s back in the states. Though employee benefits/taxes are expensive for a Chinese company; 40% of their salary.

        Cheers, Mario

  • mava April 1, 2014, 4:43 pm

    I am kind of in agreement with Gary, though.

    The poor people are just too stupid, too lazy and they do not care at all. (I know a few, personally).

    Sometimes I even think that I should not be so hard on those in the government and the super rich, for using the poor as some cattle. The reason is, imagine yourself looking at all this poor people voting killing stealing raping each other and stuffing their bellies with the cheapest junk. You would be thinking the same thing: “What if these ones are designed to be no more than a cattle?”

    I mean, what equality or freedom do we extend to a rat? None! We open its brain and push electrodes into it, and consider it yet honorable, because otherwise we would just grind it alive. Yet, we protect puppies? Why?

    Because the rat appears dumber than a puppy, one. And second, the rat is not shaking her butt at our sight, she isn’t glad to see us.

    So, what I am saying is that we are readily denying individual rights and freedoms to anything that isn’t constantly showing 1)obvious intelligence, 2) love towards ourselves.

    So, now go back in the skin of super rich. They look at the people who are in and out of jail, who don’t want to work or know anything, and who are constantly expressing hate towards those who do, in everything including their unions, their pensions, their lower tax brackets, etc. I think it is inevitable that unless one is a superhuman, he is going to see the poor as no more than the stock flesh.

    • Neil April 2, 2014, 2:49 am

      You want to know the real attitudes of the super-rich toward the poor, or the rest of us for that matter? In the 80’s and 90’s, the CIA, which serves the interests of Wall Street, trafficked cocaine into South-Central Los Angeles and Oakland, California and elsewhere to raise funds for their illegal activities they hid from Congress. It decimated many neighborhoods, sending many minority men to prison, forcing the women to either go on welfare or get a job instead of looking after their children, who then had no male role model and little supervision. Don’t believe me? Former LAPD narco-cop Michael Ruppert called out CIA Director John Deutch at a community meeting in L.A. and Deutch ultimately had to resign.
      That is the attitude of the super-rich toward the poor.
      And toward the rest of us? How about the debt-based monetary system they created, designed to keep both the nation and us collectively perpetually in ever-increasing debt. And you can’t be free when you’re in debt. We are no less intelligent, and work much harder, than the super-rich. If you can’t see the true nature of that class, they you are as stupid as you proclaim the poor to be.

  • Anthony April 1, 2014, 3:37 am

    It all seems to build up to something ugly…
    http://bigstory.ap.org/article/global-warming-dials-our-risks-un-report-says

    We’re all sitting ducks,” Princeton University professor Michael Oppenheimer, one of the main authors of the report, said in an interview.

    After several days of late-night wrangling, more than 100 governments unanimously approved the scientist-written 49-page summary — which is aimed at world political leaders. The summary mentions the word “risk” an average of about 5 1/2 times per page.

    “Changes are occurring rapidly and they are sort of building up that risk,” Field said.

    These risks are both big and small, according to the report. They are now and in the future. They hit farmers and big cities. Some places will have too much water, some not enough, including drinking water. Other risks mentioned in the report involve the price and availability of food, and to a lesser and more qualified extent some diseases, financial costs and even world peace…..

    DAYS OF DARKNESS: COLOSSAL VOLCANOES IN RECENT PAST BRING TO MIND HIDDEN ONES THAT CAN BE YET MORE POTENT
    http://spiritdaily.com/megavolcanoes.htm

    • Dean April 1, 2014, 3:35 pm

      Years later, I was startled to find out that many people I knew were prepped up the wazoo for y2k. Although it was all for naught, I believe when society unravels, people will very quickly band together for their common good. If it happens slow enough, we may see states be the grouping point. If not, I will make sure my friend the farmer has the best medical care I can provide and he will keep me fed. We also see that people can adapt quickly when they need to. If the TV stops and their reality is what they see in front of them, they might change very quickly. Good luck to all. Dean

      • EVIL VLAD April 2, 2014, 4:27 am

        for those that prepared for y2k or similar, it’s never ‘for naught,’ as you say above.
        because preparing for a catastrophe, makes you stronger, and makes you
        appreciate each day, without it, more. and it’s only those that don’t believe in any
        catastrophes out of nowhere, that are dangerous, to those that are daily fully awake.

        you amerikain, are so spoiled rotten, for so many decades, you actually believe,
        that you are above all. but you are not. I assure you of that. just ask romans or greeks.
        or britishers. or spaniards. or french. or any other great civilization, that crumbled.
        and how it ends, ain’t pretty. especially when the govt., turns on its own people.

      • mava April 2, 2014, 7:40 am

        It is not as if the Romans and the Spaniards, and the Greeks and the Britons didn’t think they were special. They did.

        So, then there is nothing that makes Americans especially rotten or especially spoiled. Not anymore rotten and not anymore spoiled than all the others.

      • VILE VLAD April 3, 2014, 4:30 am

        mav says—
        ‘So, then there is nothing that makes Americans especially rotten or especially spoiled. Not anymore rotten and not anymore spoiled than all the others’

        I concur, except your concept is incomplete, IMSO. prevalently indoctrinated elitism, among any one super-powerful cultures, only occurs when it extends for many decades, or even few centuries; since then, you have ‘precedent uberman history’, to indoctrinate the new kiddies born into it, into thinking they are magically ‘special.’

        so, I will taint your prior statement thus, to complete it, from what I see, CAPS MINE–

        “So, then there is nothing that makes Americans especially rotten or especially spoiled. Not anymore rotten and not anymore spoiled than all the others, MAJOR LONGTERM UBERMAN CIVILIZATIONS, AS THEY WERE APPROACHING, THEIR END.”

    • gary leibowitz April 2, 2014, 12:55 am

      Geologically speaking we are due for some catastrophic event. Yellowstone has erupted every 600,000 years or so and the last one was 630,000 years ago. Earth magnetic field changes every 250,000 years or so with cyclical changes along the way. We are now in some sort of transition. The exact term or damage is not known. The Toba catastrophe which happened some 70,000 years ago might have almost caused the extinction of humans. Recent asteroid hit on Jupiter could have wiped us out. Ice cap melting, ozone depletion, etc…

      Yup we have a lot that can go wrong. A day or a thousand years from now. I wouldn’t have sleepless nights over them however.

      • EVIL VLAD April 2, 2014, 4:16 am

        good timing for your comment above, one eyed el garo.
        chile just got their catastrophic quake event today, 8.2 on the richter.
        it’s a shame you don’t live in california, for I’d love for you to be getting it too, soon.

      • gary leibowitz April 2, 2014, 4:45 pm

        Living on “hot spots” is not the same as expecting a catastrophic world event. Perhaps you thought Japan was clueless about their earthquakes? That’s the difference between you and me. If I lived in a known dangerous area I wouldn’t be surprised, nor would I declare my problems must reflect the worlds.

        5 years later and we are still waiting for “The Big One”. If we have a 2009 style drop again without world changing political disasters, or riots, you would be the first to declare a cover up. This bunch will never be satisfied until every single person on this planet develop sleepless anxiety. I guess misery does love company.

      • mario cavolo April 3, 2014, 5:26 am

        Les we not forget that such a catastrophic event has already occurred; 250,000 people wiped dead from the tsunami that washed over Indonesia and Sri Lanka…

    • EVIL VLAD April 2, 2014, 4:38 am

      re ‘global warming,’ I think’s that’s a crock of manure.
      just another way to control masses via hysterical prison-planet thinking.
      I have read many valid arguments against it, by reputable scientists.

      and what better evidence than your own–so tell me, how warm was it this winter,
      for you’ll? haha. record cold.

      ‘global warming’ is just another ussa govt. hoax. like 9-11 was. and oklahoma city.
      just another way to constantly create’external enemies,’ to keep prey in 24/7 terror.
      and who’s the prey? the trapped ussa citizen. indentured servants all, for life.

      • gary leibowitz April 2, 2014, 5:14 pm

        Who need science anyway? The real hoax was the supposed landing on the moon. there is irrefutable evidence that shows this as yet another hoax. I suppose common sense should be thrown out the window. Poison the air, waters, land by human intervention and expect no repercussions by Mother Earth. I guess it’s the same theory that states no amount of government debt will ever affect its people. Why can’t you accept that one? Surely there is no connection. Love those blanket statements that global warming is just another hoax. Your arguments by reputable scientists must be the 3 percent. I’ll stick with 97 percent. There is nothing that gets a 97 percent agreement these days. The trillions of hydrocarbons by mans intervention surely must somehow dissipate in the atmosphere. too bad science isn’t mixed with alchemy. I do wonder what any government has to gain by these hoaxes?

        Oh yeah, “How warm was it this winter”. Are you stupid or trying to bait me? Fact, the global warming is dramatic and continuous. Fact, this affects and disrupts weather patterns around the world. If your scientists could show that the temperature wasn’t really getting hotter this past century I would LOVE to read it. Any paper will do. Try going to FOX NEWS first. they have all the National Inquirer style reporters.

        BTW, the latest poll shows a 50/50 split with people that actually like Obama care. yet another faked report. I guess as they actually enroll or review their situation they seem satisfied with the results. I guess there are a heck of a lot of people that actually will pay less for more coverage. I guess not everyone is living in your micro world. Watch the Republicans back off of repeal when it shows some states like Kentucky would have a surge of people eligible where in the old system they would just be without coverage. I find it amazing that the states that will benefit the most by Obama care are the ones refusing it. I though “do no harm” to your constituents was a good policy. It should read “Lets not have angry white men” voting. There is a class warfare going on and it is very transparent and obvious. Unfortunately not to the voters of those states, YET.

        You rail against every action by the government to supply support to help people from falling into poverty. Without social security the burden on family would go up 10 fold. Without medical assistance a large percentage of people would be wiped out financially and die much younger. yet all I hear is that its for the “lazy” or that we can’t afford it. When the disparity between classes have widened the most ever, I wonder how anyone can connect this fact to our welfare state? Without government assistance we would be where? Would the gap widen or narrow? If you state narrow than you are also a member of the Flat Earth Society. Now on the argument of “can’t afford it”. I agree. My socialist stance would be to have an equitable tax system where everyone pays their fair share. If most of the top 5 percentile earners pay on average 16 percent something is wrong with the system. Fix it top down where the least pain would result. Crazy ideas? Yup, I am full of them.

      • Jason S April 5, 2014, 8:19 pm

        But Vlad, 97% of scientists agree on global warming. As if you can get 97% of scientists to agree the sun rises in the east and sets in the west. I agree with you, this idea that Man created and can fix global warming is the height of hubris.

  • L fry April 1, 2014, 3:37 am

    Rick,
    You are correct . The standard of living for America”s middle class is collapsing. Generation ” Y ” are seeing thru the scam+ are not going into debt. Many young folks here who have great skills , ie Hvac contractors , are also hunting, fishing, gardening Etc.They are also buying older used vehicles + rebuilding engines Etc. They see their parents/grandparents who paid into social security being lied to re cost of living Etc. Unless the Bankers , + corporate Ceo’s pay more taxes +Get more cash into the workers +Retiree’s hands as G.W Bush so eloquently said,” This suckers going down “. Lin

    • paul April 6, 2014, 7:41 pm

      Reverse mortgages are up trending by about 20%. People are strapped for cash to maintain standard of living.

  • Troll April 1, 2014, 3:30 am

    “In the dream, a friend, a successful financial adviser who has provisioned his retirement generously . . . ”

    There is news, a financial advisor who has provisioned his retirement, “generously.”

    • Troll April 1, 2014, 3:36 am

      Sorry, Rick, it just came across to me as “Where are all the customer’s yachts?” and I know you didn’t mean it that way.

      Cheers

      • Rick Ackerman April 1, 2014, 1:13 pm

        He has done well by his clients, many of whom are very wealthy. Since this is Boulder, more than a few of them own jets rather than yachts. He himself has lived well below his means. Although he splurges on vacations, his wife has always worked (as a teacher), and he is a do-it-your-selfer who fixes everything himself, mows his own lawn and rebuilds wrecked cars to give to his kids.

      • Troll April 2, 2014, 3:07 am

        There is an honest-to-goodness individual.

        As are you.

  • Rick Ackerman March 31, 2014, 11:14 pm

    The standard of living of America’s middle class is collapsing before your eyes, Gary, and yet all you see is that the kids have expensive electronic toys and that they eat out often. I don’t have the time or patience to rebut your stupid points one by one. Other than mentioning that today’s college grads lack social skills, nothing you’ve said could be categorized as observable fact, let alone qualify as an accurate paraphrase of something I’ve said in this forum. I’ll leave it to others here to rebut your delusional point of view item-for-item.

    • gary leibowitz April 2, 2014, 12:19 am

      Standard of living has been going down for 50 years.
      Not because of social programs, or so called handouts, or even the mortgage debacle. When did you ever see me argue this point? In fact it would be much worse without these handouts. I suppose you don’t agree with this rather simple statement.

      My delusional point of view has been in step with the 5 year delusional world economy. You seem to think we are already in a depression. I find that hard to swallow with real verifiable evidence that spending, borrowing, and general life style trend has not changed. It’s your assumption that everyone should lay down and give up because your offended with the way this government is run.

      My delusional point has been “spot on”. Earnings have been in a “sweet spot”, as I have mentioned many times before. Human suffering has not been high enough or wide enough to tip this economy off its slow growth path. The collapse from debt has not happened yet, or are you still going to explain to me why it already happened?

      I have already hit my macro targets. I have already seen 5 years of steady slow repair as the corporate world takes advantage of this low cost low rate environment. To claim I have been so wrong yet managed to fall into the right market response for 5 years is certainly NOT helping your cause. I might be right for the wrong reasons, but you have been wrong period. Being wrong you can’t fall back on a conspiracy theory to right that wrong.

      My naïve theory stated that earnings will benefit for this weak environment, debt will first be reduced due to collapse, but revamped yet again as that phase fads out of our mind. We are seeing spending and borrowing hit near 2008 figures. I think my view has been rather clear and a good portion already took place. I also stated we will see continued economic expansion most probably due to excess borrowing as home prices and values pick up.

      You keep ignoring reality instead of trying to adjust your position. Deny the last 5 years as an illusion instead of trying to understand why.

      Every single event or technical position that gives a slight chance of seeing a bear reversal has been greeted with cheer, as if that vindicates past mistakes. Why not admit something else is at play that just might explain why we have survived these last 5 years. You rely on a theory that states the earth will open up at any time with no way of detection. Yet here you are having paid subscribers use your technical system for betting in the same environment? How do you reconcile the two? It’s like you use science to determine gravitational forces are real, but conclude its affects can be taken away at any moment.

      Yes I have threatened to leave many times and the reasons are rather clear. You get completely frustrated with my arguments and refuse to engage me because I bring up points that you have no counter for. Why anyone becomes fanatical on views is beyond me. That fanaticism can also be grounded in truth, but to refuse to be exposed to differing ideas means we have given in to emotional lockjaw. Why I stay is an interesting one. I am a fanatic in one respect. When I see something that is glaringly obvious I keep trying to explain why it is obvious in hopes that others will see it too. If on the other hand I am forced to reevaluate my stand, I will grudgingly accept it if it passes review. I want answers, not proof on who’s view wins the day. My stubbornness has caused me to swim with sharks. Almost every one with opposing views have been “FORCED OFF” with outright bans or constant ridicule. Do you not see this as confirmation of your fanatic stance? The church held the world hostage for hundreds of years. To this day there are people that have the same views. In their mind they will one day be proven right. I am sure you will one day skip over glaring problems with your view and still declare victory, as long as we get that depression. I truly hope you never get that satisfaction. I for one am not rooting for another depression.

      • Craig April 2, 2014, 5:34 am

        Gary can you seriously type more words and not say one darn thing???? Every post is too long to read and full of garbage, no wonder you love Obama.

        Your recovery is due to low interest rates, fed manipulation and one trillion (or more) in injections soon to be one trillion a month. Yahoo even had a headline “the markets are rigged, now what’s your next move”. The shell game will fail only before it has so much dumped into it and a war can be used to justify the fall. This will take awhile so you will have plenty of time to spew garbage before you starve to death waiting on government “help”.

      • gary leibowitz April 2, 2014, 6:08 pm

        Crag did you actually read the article on the “rigging”? The cause is high tech nerds that figured out how to capture the nanoseconds it takes to transfer data to multiple sites before orders are filled. But your headline announcement sure sounds good. As for the recovery, yes all you say is true. The power structure over 50 years has gone to the corporations and elite few. Obviously my post isn’t long enough if you can’t grasp my stance. I believe this debt burden will eventually create another depression period. I just don’t start to place fault on the least powerful groups. Imagine blaming the itinerant fruit pickers for a rise in prices, or the raise of minimum wage or work standards.

      • Craig April 2, 2014, 6:47 pm

        Gary,

        Sometimes less is more.

        Well of course the headline doesn’t match the story, when does it ever?

        New York post headline “Gun kills man”. Story says off duty cop shoots and kills would be robber. It’s all an agenda to normalize the corruption going on. And of course it’s old news.

    • mario cavolo April 3, 2014, 5:13 am

      I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Between you and Rick this argument wherein you state “I find that hard to swallow with real verifiable evidence that spending, borrowing, and general life style trend has not changed.” is way too general and happy. The lives of 150 million American has gotten progressively worse and more difficult over the past twenty years, and accelerated after 2009. America is no longer the America it was, those days are long gone, and the country is divided in two. The upper 60% or so are doing great, but a massive group of around 40% of the country’s citizens are well and truly f*cked. The reasons are driven by a combination of transformation in technology, the unfortunate decline of marriage/family as a core value in the society, the govt’s favoritism toward big business and itself. All of these things have deeply damaged and burdened the common, hardworking citizen; driving them into more and more of a socialist lifestyle. Obamacare, we should quickly point out, was executed as part of this evolution to help that group, via the subsidies available to them. I implore you to perhaps recognize that the sheer size and scale of American households in that struggling 40% group is far too large to sustain and not a pretty picture. It is a dire situation. So again when you say “I find that hard to swallow with real verifiable evidence that spending, borrowing, and general life style trend has not changed.”, its true for “who” more specifically. Just as I parse your back and forth with others on the forum, in my own mind, I keep coming back to that; America’s societal schism is very real and very ugly.

      Cheers, Mario

      • mava April 3, 2014, 6:32 am

        You see, Gary, that article about nerds splitting hairs on network signals, is a good illustration of why regulation will drive us to collapse. Because the moldy old timers in congress will always be five steps behind. Any system that is based on some group NOT taking everything voluntarily, is bound to fail.

        The poor are finally close to completely destroying the good old USA. The system was designed that they would know a measure, and only take what they absolutely had to have. Ha-ha. We gave them a finger. Now the entire hand is gone and they are still hungry and still poor.

        If the American poor could get one more marijuana drag for flipping the switch of American Experiment to OFF, they would do it in a nanosecond.

        Of course, they would be madly against my allegations. Seriously offended. To them, it is all the rich folks who did it. To them it is. But I know better.

        Now, you say Gary, that you have been right for last few years, walking on your path. Some things can not be decided until the path ends.

        Basically, this forum is full of people who are shouting “Gary, don’t go there! Gary, the path ends abruptly! Gary, not this time!” Yet, you keep on walking into the dark.

        May-be, you’re right, and nothing will end. In that case, you would be right saying that we have predicted nothing.

        However, if you’re wrong, you will not know it till the last trading day. You think all we are doing is talking like a broken clock, until eventually that clock happens to be right. I think, that you are the broken clock. Because you got so used to the cycles, you think they are forever, and this is just one of them.
        So, your broken clock is being would up. You think that once your spring key hits a stop, there is going to be the usual slow unwind, and then another wind up… I think that all you got is a few more turns of the key, and then it will break off loose, and the spring will just explode because it is already broken but isn’t would up enough yet.

        You think this is a recovery? No, it is only a dead man walking. The loudspeaker keeps barking that the man is alive, walking all by himself, but I can see the framework of support, and I can smell the rot. He is not walking. He is just being paraded.

        American standard of living? Are you kidding me? If you had made an average American to own some of the things his grandfather owned, you should realize the truth. He owns nothing. Everything he has is just cheap junk without any significance and even that is leased. Leased, publicly speaking, under the sweet pretense that it just makes more sense. No it does not. But this is the only thing he can afford. He can only afford to be robbed. Just like some poor dude at the payday loans window. He too, can only afford to waste money. It is now the American standard of dreaming.

        There is no recovery.

      • EVIL VLAD April 4, 2014, 4:06 am

        mav, this is probably one of my favorite posts you have ever written.

        however, as always, I disagree on your primary tenet, but all else is well said.

        you say—
        “The poor are finally close to completely destroying the good old USA. The system was designed that they would know a measure, and only take what they absolutely had to have. Ha-ha. We gave them a finger. Now the entire hand is gone and they are still hungry and still poor.”

        you are 100% wrong here. the poor have not destroyed anything in the ussa.
        the poor never destroy anything anywhere, on any country or time,
        unless they are used as expendable pawns, by the elite, to create the illusion,
        that they are too blame, for worsening circumstances of the hard-working TAXED,
        so it displaces the hatred, from the real upper culprits, to the lazy shiftless.
        and don’t get me wrong, I am not protecting the leach bums. I loath them like you do.
        but they are not at fault, since they only do, what they are allowed (encouraged?) to do,
        by those in power, the mega elite. and their reason always is this, through centuries–
        to TAX the living bejesus as much as the market will bear, of hard-working middle class.

      • gary leibowitz April 4, 2014, 8:36 pm

        Real tax revenue have increased, real spending have increased, real earnings have increased, real disposable income have increased.

        This is true because real governments borrowing and spending have increased, real social programs have increased.

        I can do the math. Most here were adamant that government spending would not help this situation. Most thought that housing was dead and would not see a 5 year recovery. Most here was adamant that corporate earnings was solely based on cost cutting and would never see a 5 year spurt to new highs.

        Call it a hoax if you want. I call it business as usual. Has been for centuries. Do you expect government leadership to fold when times are tough? The path to least resistance is more credit. I expect that will once again cause another crash. I do not see it yet.

        The poor have never caused a crash or reasons for one. Explain to me how it’s possible that so much money is being spent on the wasteful poor yet the top tier has managed to reap all the rewards? Are they pretending to be poor and stealing food stamps? Silly argument. In fact refusal for increase in min. wage, reduced food stamps, reduced unemployment insurance isn’t exactly helping the “more spending for the poor” argument.

        I was one of the first people here that complained about the decades of chipping away at the standard of living. No argument on that front. That in itself doesn’t mean everything falls apart as a result of this. it takes time. The new reality is that both parents work full time. the new reality is that household debt keeps increasing. The new reality is that borrowing has become very easy, with a big disruption of that after the 2009 crash. The new reality is that lenders are once again willing to extend credit in order to keep this economy going.

        Call me lucky these last 5 years, but to expect everyone to wake up a day after the 2009 crash and decide to kill themselves is foolish. People will to anything to keep their way of life. Give them a lifeline and they will take it. When the government can no longer extend that lifeline is the day we drown.

      • Jason S April 4, 2014, 9:19 pm

        Gary, the debt problem is like a drinking or drug problem. You don’t fix it with more of the same. It is analogous to a man being hospitalized for cirrhosis of the liver from years of drinking and having the doctor tell him his choice is to suffer the pains of going sober or drinking more to cover the painful symptoms of the problem. Yes, drinking more is short-term more advantageous but long-term terminal.

        And for the argument that we can grow fast enough and long enough to continue to endure the weight of this ever growing debt, that is belief in perpetual motion machine, energy from nothing, leprechauns or a free lunch.

    • EVIL VLAD April 4, 2014, 2:44 am

      you’re dead wrong on this quote, chinaman mickey.

      “America is no longer the America it was, those days are long gone, and the country is divided in two. The upper 60% or so are doing great, but a massive group of around 40% of the country’s citizens are well and truly f****d.”

      for it’s not 60/40, that are great/or f*****d.
      nowhere near, your ever-baloney ratio.

      first off, as the loser ussa pres. candidate made clear, 47 percent of amerikain pay no taxes.
      and that’s because 47 percent of amerikain are below current poverty line, so no taxes.
      and that’s just for starters.
      for I’ll skip right past the skrewed ussa middle class, the biggest sector, for a moment.

      so let’s look at a chuckwagon outspoken market vet, the host. he’s upper-middle class.
      so hey, ricky, are you ‘doing great,’ as mickey from shanghai, says?
      nope, I’ll bet you’ll say, ’cause you are mad as hell, and you ain’t gonna take it anymore.

      so guess what, mickey ever-baloney mouse? in the ussa, your ‘doing great’ group,
      is probably around 15 to 20 percent. and the royally skrewed, are around 80 to 85 %.

      and it is similar around entire world. rigged markets have distorted everything, everywhere.

      a sole derivate of a full fiat world. so this is endgame of all endgames, in my opinion.

      for divergence between the 15 percent and 85 percent, grows larger every day.

      but then again, there is always bastille day. ahh. and I can’t wait, for that youtube day.

      • mava April 4, 2014, 9:26 pm

        You guys don’t understand me. This is my fault. I have to make it clear somehow.

        An analogy is in order to help me show you what exactly do I mean when I say it is all the fault of the poor.
        ================================
        Say, there was a robbery in the town. Someone got held up, his money taken. The cops apprehended the robber, he is in a jail and it is sure as hell he is looking at a long sentence.

        He did it because he was seduced to do it. Someone told him where the victim was going to be, someone called exactly how much money the victim was going to have on his person.

        There is one more twist to it. The robber doesn’t have the money. Where is it? Tough to say. All we know that after the robbery, the perpetrator himself lost the possession of the loot. He has been set up, it seems. Very likely by that same someone who got him on this deal in the first place.

        The folks in the town say that the robber should be released. Since he didn’t benefit from the crime, is it really his responsibility? people say it is really that someone who set him up, that is at fault, he is the one that should be responsible. That someone was using the robber! Using him like the patsy he turned out to be! Now that the robber is in the jail, he is really a victim! He lost his freedom and gained nothing!

        Folks are saying that instead of blaming the robbers, instead of jailing them, we should really be making sure that no one can tell any bullshit to anyone! We should outlaw the lies!
        =============================

        Of course, you are getting my “drift” here.

      • mario April 5, 2014, 2:03 pm

        Ok!…let’s split the difference 30/70!… that’s probably closest to reality.

  • gary leibowitz March 31, 2014, 10:57 pm

    The 2009 debacle was a moment in time where the truth would set us free. The MATRIX was exposed. Clearly that didn’t happen as planned.

    The conclusions of deflation and higher rates goes against some of your premises. You conclude that rates are artificially fixed while deflation is a given. You realize that wages are flat yet you insist rates should have risen based on free market choice. You conclude insolvency with all debt yet that has so far been proven wrong. You ignore the rather startling accuracy from the bond market’s predictions on future trends yet you insist they are wrong and lenders should be frightened out of the business.

    Your anger stems from a strong notion of self-sufficiency where governments lean backwards to prop up the middle-class dream with subsidies. You don’t rail against the “reasons” why our government has been forced to do so. You dismiss the disparity between classes by pretending its just due to lack of will by the lazy. You ignore the billionaires setting their own agenda openly by paying for their candidate of choice. You accept the greed and corruption due to lack of support for term limits, campaign reform, stricter enforceable rules, etc… In other words you accept the power structure and rail against the “lazy”. You go after the easier targets, while declaring the whole system is corrupt to the point of total demolition. Unions, Pensions, Social Programs are your enemy, yet you don’t see that the amount of wealth generated by the few have overwhelmed the system. If you got rid of all the “lazy” programs where would that disparity go? Lower taxes for whom? Wouldn’t all that freed money go straight into the pockets of the elite? Is there any data point you can come up with that ignores or dismisses the widest wealth gap in history? Can you explain why we have that gap? Would less government intervention help that to reverse? Is the corruption of Unions, social programs the cause of that gap? Perhaps you should look elsewhere.

    You brought up a point in last discussion where you made conclusions to some stats as facts. Your argument over why the so called educated young are finding it hard to find a job is compelling. On the surface it doesn’t make sense since they come on board as relatively cheap labor with very few health issues for companies. I ran across this article in which they claim most of these college grads are sadly lacking in social skills among other aspects. You should read this. There are surveys from business leaders that seem to reinforce this attitude. I have labeled this generation as the “entitled”. Perhaps I am no so far off in my description.

    http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2014/01/29/Surprising-Reason-College-Grads-Can-t-Get-Job

    You can’t pull facts and figures that reinforce you notion of doom/gloom without fully exploding all possibilities. You conclude how the young are broke yet in every single large metropolis they eat out and drink as if 6 months out of the year they live in total darkness. With abandon. Look at the youth and their spending. Look at gaming, restaurants, bars, expensive electronic toys.
    If all you claim is true than there has to be ancillary or anecdotal evidence. A broke youth should not display actions that are so contradictory to that premise. You used some retailers as an example as to our inevitable plight. You refuse to look at total spending, over extended store openings, mismanagement, and market trends for other causes.

    You defined the answer to our future and just look for evidence to support that conclusion. It should be the other way around. 5 years of irrefutable evidence by you must conclude that we are only still standing because of an all encompassing MATRIX structure with total control to hide the real world from us.

    Just try to keep an open mind. I don’t claim to have answers. I do try to find support for my reasons like most of us do. I just don’t dismiss the contradictions as a sham or controlled event. Self defeating to ignore facts that are counter to ones position. Debate and break apart theories till there is some clear view of a given situation.

    In the end though, like the 2009 market lows, we did not fall into lawlessness. I suspect we can very well have another Great Depression. I can also assume human behavior hasn’t degraded that much since then. the 20’s was known as the hedonist era. I’ll take a repeat of humanity’s behavior during the very harsh decades to follow.

    If I sound dismissive or condescending I don’t mean to. I also don’t wish to label anyone. my crude machinations with words seem to get me in trouble. My Achilles heel is rigid beliefs relying on faith alone. As a computer programmer deciphering how something works requires a blue-print of all possible interactive and connective sources. in my experience that rarely is given. You always have to break apart each section and run tests to see if it behaves as you expected. Once all the sections are complete you then have to determine if combining all “proven” sections would necessarily create a perfect result. It’s the whole, when all the interactions of the pieces come together, that can actually reveal faults where there was none on individual testing.

    &&&&&&

    Gary, you post here because you crave the attention, and because you obviously have w-a-a-y too much time on your hands. However, nearly all of your arguments are with straw men. I never said we are in a depression, for example, only that a depression is inevitable. Concerning the global rise in share prices and asset values, I’m done arguing with anyone — you in particular — who doesn’t understand that most of the rise is attributable to an epic hoax. RA

    • Redwilldanaher March 31, 2014, 11:18 pm

      Insufferable.

    • allen42 April 1, 2014, 12:37 am

      I just wonder why Rick keeps letting you post your cnbs drivel here doofus.

      • Rick Ackerman April 1, 2014, 1:00 pm

        Gary has threatened to boycott the forum, most recently a few weeks ago. But this is like Larry King saying he is going to retire: alas, he needs an audience more than it needs him.

    • Redwilldanaher April 1, 2014, 3:59 am

      2 years from now 2/3rds of nearly the last quarter century will have had your Democratic Party running the party in Mordor on the Potomac. Please explain how Wall St thug life has been able to pillage at an exponentially increasing rate with the party of the people in power?

      See how silly your paradigm/vantage point really is?

      • Jason S April 4, 2014, 9:02 pm

        Red, better yet, show me a community, state, county or city that has been run by liberals, foisting liberal values for more than 25 years that is economically healthy.

  • Chuck March 31, 2014, 7:11 pm

    I watch Gold Rush and sometimes Dooms Day Preppers. I prefer Gold Rush – man to see how much work it takes to get that gold out of the ground – and just think I can take my $USD and just order bullion online!! Dooms Day Preppers…..eh, if it gets bad – just having food won’t prevent others from taking it. The church guy above may be more correct though – communities banding together – like churches – should help stave off the savages – for a while at least.

    • Randy March 31, 2014, 10:48 pm

      Thanks.

      Trust takes time to build and is the only thing that will hold civilization together. People may mock and scorn those that still trust God, but the meek really do win in the end.

      Would you trust someone who has no code he subscribes to? Someone that has no friends to lose by taking your stuff? Someone that can’t trust others?

      A church that doesn’t take care of its poor is one nobody really believes in or truly trusts, thus my advice on finding where that pastor has opted out of social security.

      • EVIL VLAD April 2, 2014, 4:54 am

        randy, in times of emergency, do or die, for prolonged periods of time,
        obviously it makes sense for alike-minded neighbors to band together to survive,
        but where is the ‘need’ for a ‘belief’ in any ‘god’, within this group-survival concept?

        hey, what you say is ok, and ‘god history’ helps people like you, to make sense of things.
        so keep doing it. ifit makes you happy, do it. but don’t peddle it to others, that
        don’t give a rat’s manure about it. for I can band with others when it suits me,
        and I can also dump them too. when they no longer suit me. that’s individualism.

        hey, if it suited me, I could pretend for a while I loved your church, in order to survive.
        and trust me, you’d believe I was even more loyal to ‘the cause,’, than your elder.
        haha.

  • mava March 31, 2014, 5:52 pm

    ** I forgot to single out the one sentence of truth in Andy’s post and make it a point, – I’ll leave it up to a reader**

  • mava March 31, 2014, 5:49 pm

    A lot is being said all the time about preparedness. All junk, because, as “jhpace1” had pointed out, the PTB at the moment will take it all from you for the benefit of the unprepared. Be it a generator or ammo, food or the produce of the agricultural land, – you can’t hide it. (point 1)

    If you think about it hard enough, you will begin to understand that the only asset that is truly yours is the one you can hide from anyone. (point 2)

    And recall that while there was a Kristallnacht in Germany, in Rio De Janeiro there was festivities. One can be reasonably sure that if the Kristallnacht hits Rio, there sure is going to a be a good life somewhere else. (point 3)

    So, go and acquire what you need (2), while you can, in exchange for everything that you don’t (1), in order to use it where you can (3). And if you have none of the (1), then by all means, remember what Andy Gutterman has said above, for he is precisely correct.

    • John Jay March 31, 2014, 9:06 pm

      mava,
      Yes, that’s right, we are all on the same page here, more or less.
      “there is sure to be a good life somewhere else”
      Again, exactly correct.
      Your only defense is to concentrate on making more money and living somewhere with other civilized, well off humans.
      It could be Greenwich CT, Santa Barbara CA, Zurich Switzerland, pick a location.

      I am certain everyone here on this Forum will be alright, they are paying attention and can see through the Matrix that most Americans have been living in for decades.
      You can slip under the radar so to speak, and since you can’t beat them, join them to whatever extent is possible for you.

      Jimmy Carter is right, “We no longer have a functioning Democracy”.
      And the slaughters at Gettysburg, Verdun, Vietnam,
      show how much concern the Top Brass feel for their troops.
      “Normal Wastage” was the term used in WWI I believe.
      That’s what they think of our deaths by the millions.
      Or on an Economic War basis, chronic unemployment, low wages with no benefits etc. are seen in the same light.
      “Normal Wastage”
      Well, that’s the situation we are stuck with.
      And collectively it will never get any better, it can only grow worse.
      Make some more money, you will never have a better friend than financial security.

      • EVIL VLAD April 2, 2014, 5:39 am

        jj, I add one-point to your end-point, of your ussa prison-planet thesis above.

        ‘Make some more money, you will never have a better friend than financial security.’

        and my added point is this–

        Make some more money (AND KEEP IT OUTSIDE THE MATRIX), you will never have a better friend than financial security. (caps mine)

        because no matter how little you have, IMO, one dollar worth, outside of ‘matrix’
        (‘matrix’–ussa banks, specially big banks, plus govt. controlled ‘pension’ plans, etc)
        each one dollar, outside the matrix’, IMO, will be worth 10 dollars, of buying power,
        when bank doors shut, and ussa govt. raids your pension plans, to ‘save our nation’.

        in contrast of all this, I am watching a documentary right now on current india,
        supposedly one of the ‘bric’ nations, however, there are 360 MILLION people
        living there in utter poverty, worse than anything even detroit, can imagine.
        (I mean, detroit may be bad, but not so bad not to have a great mlb team, eh?)
        also, in these dire slum areas of india, there is 1 toilet, per every 14,000 people. yep.
        so needless to say, man-manure floats there, even worse, than in ussa stockmarket.
        these type of documentaries give perspective. of current reality, on planet earth.
        btw. the richest man in india, constructed a great tower, overlooking these slums.
        he is 1 of india’s 1%ers. so–gap widens, everywhere, between megapoor and megarich.

        so it looks like ‘bastille day’ is not far off, all across the world. in my VILE opinion.

  • C.C. March 31, 2014, 4:27 pm

    This is a ‘yawner’ for anyone already awake – but in case there are those who are not as yet, have a look. And try to convince yourself that these types of operations, going on right now, are so we can ‘protect freedom & democracy’…

    BBBBBHWHWHWHWHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!

    http://www.infowars.com/u-s-army-builds-fake-city-in-virginia-to-practice-military-occupation/

  • jhpace1 March 31, 2014, 4:06 pm

    What most prognosticators and predictors (web bots) are saying that when everything goes belly-up America will fracture into “haves”, “have-nots”, “those that can” and “those that can not”. I’m not worried about roving Mad Max gangs were I live (central, suburban NC, USA). I’m more worried about government “appropriation”. As in, “Nice generator you got there. Load it on the back of our truck, the local mayor will determine who needs it more than you do.” The same with home-grown produce, stored commodities like gasoline, kerosene heaters, etc.

    The recent ice storm (07 March) in NC has made me realize most people will just sit around waiting for the government to fix things. That’s the wrong attitude, and one that will get us in trouble. Yes, things will move a lot slower without power, without the Internet, if all the banks close, etc. So prepare yourself to move nimbly and quickly without them. Even if all you have is a plan, you will be miles ahead of most people out there.

    • John Jay March 31, 2014, 8:46 pm

      jh,

      Exactly right!

    • EVIL VLAD April 2, 2014, 5:55 am

      jhpace1,
      executive order is already in place, to take what they want from you,
      so you better hide generator, produce, commodities, and even wife and daughters.
      for girls might also be taken, for ussa govt. storm-trooper ‘daily relief needs.’

    • Jason S April 4, 2014, 8:28 pm

      jhpace1, nice post. I think that the average person is going to have to survive against both the government and his “neighbors” from taking anything and everything of value. Unlike Vlad, I still have some modicum of hope (because I need it to help make getting up in the morning worthwhile) but should that turn out to be for naught, then I still have insurance. Extra food, land, guns, lots of bullets, knowledge of how to survive in the wild, extra clothes, a 4X4 vehicle, etc. are cheap insurance and unfortunately becoming more probable as humanity grows more stupid. I will add that reading the book Ubiquity is a must.

      • Jason S April 4, 2014, 8:33 pm

        Yes, people will come for the things I listed but like all bullies, they will likely pick on the weak and I plan to not be viewed as weak. And if they come anyway, well then it will be a good day to die and I will die on my feet, not sniveling at someone else’s.

  • Andy Gutterman March 31, 2014, 1:29 pm

    Rick,

    A really big asteroid could come out of nowhere and slam into Manhattan at any time.

    If your dream comes true it won’t matter what you do as you won’t survive it. Nor will most anyone else. The population will shrink overnight to what the land can support with no transportation mechanism.

    We get most of our food from elsewhere. None of us are prepared for life without Kroger, Walmart, Lowes, etc.

    Which is why its pointless to prepare, as doing so just delays the inevitable. What happens when the supplies run out?

    There are a bunch of TV shows depicting this, Revolution happens to be my favorite. Its quasi-science fiction, but however it happens the power goes out regardless. When the oil runs out transportation comes to a stop.

    No matter how you slice it the end results are pretty grim.

    Is it going to happen? Somehow I don’t think so. With the flick of a pen Obama or whoever is President at the time can wipe out the proximate cause of the apocalypse .

    “I, the President of the United States, do solemnly declare that all debts, public and private, are now GONE. We start over. Let’s hope we do better this time around. ”

    Or something to that effect.

    Chaos for a few weeks but eventually the system rights itself and we move on.

    One could argue that whomever supplies the food would require gold or silver in payment, but what are they going to do with it? Eat it? As I’ve said before, without the infrastructure to use gold or silver as money nobody is going to use it for that. Paper works. It has for hundreds of years, it will work going forward.

    I would store up some essentials as well as enough currency for at least 6 months of credit free existence.

    Other than that its pointless to prepare for Armageddon. You won’t survive it no matter what you do.

    Andy

  • dk March 31, 2014, 6:41 am

    Outstanding article, Rick! One of the more entertaining pieces I’ve read from you in a while.

    The most important thing is family, always. Things will get worse before they get better and it is always better to prepare for the worst, you lose nothing this way.

    Some think things will not be so bad and perhaps will be mitigated by the time the black swan manifests itself. Not me.

    No sermons here, I personally feel that when the last straw falls upon the camel’s back, the situation will prove to be far worse than anyone thinks it will be, and for that matter, screw “The Road,” or “Lucifer’s Hammer,” as no book will convey or conceptualize what lies ahead.

    Happy trading all.

  • John Jay March 31, 2014, 5:51 am

    I do not think we will see a dramatic, war-in-the-streets collapse.I believe the work out is already in progress. Multiple generations are, more and more, living together in the same house, sharing expenses to make ends meet.

    The newest generation seems to be accepting ever shrinking, low paying, dead end jobs.
    Perhaps they do not feel any sense of loss since they never lived in the Golden Days of the US Middle Class, from about 1940 to 1970. Horatio Alger is dead here, replaced by Kurt Cobain.

    All of us grew up in those Golden Days of yesteryear, and entered the job market just as it began to evaporate. So we think, “Jesus, what happened to my America?” They think, “Whatever!” The newest generation of Americans, and all the masses of poverty stricken immigrants will accept whatever TPTB see fit to do to them.

    Look at all the endless financial catastrophes the people of South America have endured for decades. Somehow, they just endure, and go on with their lives. Judging from the people I see on “Cops”, “Lockup”, and all the other reality shows, the average American is incapable of comprehending any other existence for himself. Not even a plan for the day, just a minute-by-minute sojourn.
    They wouldn’t know the Federal Reserve from a Pop Tart. You can’t fix stupid!

    • bob vanderbeek March 31, 2014, 6:42 am

      “the average American is incapable of comprehending any other existence for himself….
      You can’t fix stupid!”

      Boy is that true. I mean what can I do about it anyway?
      It’s all so depressing.
      Where’d you read that?
      Well at least I got health insurance, and some retirement.
      But one of my recent favorites. ” what’s wrong with those people over there? why can’t they build their own governments?
      Well we’ve built ours. and support them “with impunity” every april.

      I’m wondering if this will post — so this is only a test.

    • EVIL VLAD April 2, 2014, 6:11 am

      ‘the average American is incapable of comprehending any other existence for himself.’
      says jj.

      true enough, jj. but that neither here nor there, except on the individual level.

      but I take exception on what I perceive as your linear thinking, on continued status quo.
      for I think there will surely be a holocaust. and this time, not just for jews, but for all.

      • John Jay April 3, 2014, 6:26 am

        Vlad,
        There is no reason for the Federal Government to unleash a Nazi style roundup of dissident citizens.
        It is too much trouble to house, feed, and imprison
        them.
        Detroit is the Federal Government template for the future of the average citizen.
        Just walk away and leave each city to it’s own devices.
        Exactly what the Romans did at the end of their reign.
        When they ran out of money and manpower to occupy Britain, they just pulled the legions and administrators and left, once and for all.

        As the money runs out, any city with nothing left to steal will be abandoned by the Feds.
        Just like Detroit.
        Call it a “Passive Aggressive” strategy.
        There is talk of a Constitutional Convention to add a Balanced Budget Amendment.
        The perfect set up for the Feds to abandon any city/region that has nothing left for the Oligarchs to steal.
        Have a big show in Congress with lots of speeches/hearings about “Balanced Budgets”, “States Rights”, “Self Determination” etc.
        All to mask a plan to just abandon the bulk of the Nation once it has nothing left to be looted.
        That is how it will end.
        “Not with a bang, but a whimper”.

      • EVIL VLAD April 4, 2014, 3:53 am

        jj, you’re probably my favorite writer here, but I disagree with 2 details you cite to me.

        “There is no reason for the Federal Government to unleash a Nazi style roundup of dissident citizens.
        It is too much trouble to house, feed, and imprison
        them.”
        you write.

        because yes, there are plenty of reasons to round up as many ‘winston smiths’ as possible.
        (btw, you are on that list, and I am probably also, from afar, but there is still the cia)

        however, I agree with you, that most winston smiths won’t be ‘housed’, they’ll just be shot.
        and camps to hold a few others, will just be for ‘questioning’ (torture) before shot.
        so yeah, I agree, for there’ll be a daily ‘high turnover’ housed ‘just’ overnight, before bang.

        $$$$$$$$$$

        ‘ That is how it will end.
        “Not with a bang, but a whimper”.’
        you say.

        disagree, I think elliott got this backwards.
        for the whimpers have already come, so now comes plenty of bangs. but just one, to each head.

        (and that’s why the ussa govt. bought 2 billion bullets 3 years ago, they always plan early)

  • Neil March 31, 2014, 4:06 am

    Rick, you are exactly right. The only point on which our view seems to differ is where you say Washington “will discover then that credit flows on trust alone.” I read this sort of thing often at Zero Hedge, Paul Craig Roberts, and many others that report on what is really going on, that the people running Washington and Wall Street who think they can solve the problem by printing more paper dollars are basically idiots. In my view, they know darn well that this will eventually all come crumbling down; all their machinations and pronouncements are designed to keep it going as long as possible, to steal every last bit of wealth they can before it crumbles, and in the meantime create events that lead to more legislation restricting our 2nd Amendment rights, and to keep us stupid while they do so. They aren’t trying to solve anything. They want a one-world government, controlled by the bankers and run by Washington. To do so, they are creating chaos, and those of the masses who survive will scream for order. And they will have the solution: a one-world government, the New World Order.

    • EVIL VLAD April 2, 2014, 6:12 am

      correct.

  • Randy March 31, 2014, 1:34 am

    The Proverb says that a wise man sees trouble coming ahead of time and prepares. A normalcy bias is what stops us from mentally accepting that cycles of boom and bust are unending so long as people are greedy and fearful.

    The solution? Forgive debts every seven years and return land to families every 50 years as God said so bubbles wouldn’t form to begin with. Not very likely in a world that thinks they have outgrown God. The point is that God gave solutions and we ignore them at our own peril.

    God also said to keep a years supply of food around to last you through a year of jubilee where ya take a year off work and give the working a poor a year to harvest your fields. How would a year long vacation help out families??! How would having a years supply of food help out in a collapse?

    From my PoV people essentially ask government to replace God and His laws designed to protect us from natural cycles of boom and bust, but never stop to consider that governments always fail. They always go bankrupt. And then people blame God??!! LOL.

    My solution to the problem? Study and apply the solutions written down 3000 + years ago. That and go to church / synagogue that has some vague idea of what the heck God actually said. If the pastor or rabbi hasn’t opted out of social security, keep looking…. He can’t tell the difference between government and God either.

    • EVIL VLAD March 31, 2014, 2:18 am

      randy, have you ever considered, that adults that need god, or govt., or whatever,
      to take care of them, as adults, as you obviously do, are just those, with unresolved,
      dad or mom issues? your need for ‘a god’ I consider meaningless, 3000 years or not.
      for time, in terms of truth, means nothing. since the only truth is this–you stand alone.
      and oldest excuse to commit crimes, is history, ‘because they did it, I can too.’
      history, religions, governments, etc, mean nothing. all that matters, is your own self.
      never ceases to amaze me how some can spout what you spout above. unless it’s a joke.

      • Randy March 31, 2014, 10:27 am

        So if all there is yourself, and history provides no knowledge of repeating cycles, God is just an unresolved daddy issue, then explain how you raised yourself without a mother, father and family? Do you owe nothing to those that gave you life since you said that all there is is self?

        How does it work when you are too old to care for yourself? Or you get injured or sick? Or the currency collapses, again? Who do you trust then, others like you?

        Aren’t you really saying that government is who you are planning to rely on when things go wrong in your life?maybe your have a “god” and a “church” after all.

      • Jason S April 2, 2014, 7:27 pm

        Vlad, people have to have hope. Otherwise it is just nihilism and with that, we all may as well eat a bullet now.

      • VILE VLAD April 3, 2014, 4:12 am

        jason, you are ok, so I will answer your lament, about the need for hope.
        nothing’s wrong with hope. but, IMO, hope’s a girl’s game, prayin’, hopin’.
        for a man’s game, is force. reasonable force if possible, but always, force.

        the only thing other men respect, is force. if they sense you are hopin’, wishin’,
        ha, they will swoop on you, like a swamp of pirahna or shark, eating you whole fast.
        they won’t even think about it. you are gone. so, skrew wishin’ or hopin’, and survive.

        the top predator on earth is man. and his top tool of predation, are lies. pernicious lies.
        but this didn’t start now. it started in the caves, when man first learned to speak.
        it’s just that now, the lies have become so prominent, so obvious, while most
        close their eyes to them (in order to survive), and that is fascinating, to observe.
        that lying is now fully revered and admitted, as prime tool of earthly survival trade.
        used to be that this was hidden, due to some moral code. but now it is revered–
        even though it’s subliminal, and not stated; yet, it goes by the term of– 100% cynicism.
        for every self-respecting citizen worldwide, ‘in the know’, is a full flat-out 100% cynic.
        diogenes would be proud.
        myself, however, I blame it wholly on the generic acceptance of the most fallacious
        current socialistic christian statement of all, that you are your brother’s keeper.
        for I say, skrew your brother. live for yourself, and none other. stand alone.
        nothing else to be said. and take your lumps when there are lumps to be had.
        and that is life, on earth, IMO. so skrew the commie amoeba gary’s of the world.

      • Randy April 4, 2014, 6:16 pm

        In a voluntary sense one can be a brothers keeper, or to care for someone the way a family does. Underline the word VOLUNTARY. This is the essence of Rabbi Jesus’ message, form a voluntary family separate from Rome’s dysfunctional family.

        Do people realize that secular humanism which is basicly that man is god … IS a religion? Vlad, this IS the paradigm of the Roman Empire. If you say you are your own rule maker, your own keeper, your own “source” and that there is no Creator, then you saying you are your own law giver. Are you not then free to do whatever you can get away with?

        Isn’t this essentially the religion of Hitler and Stalin and Rome? Man is his own god and can do whatever he can get away with? It ends badly more often than not.

        Which type of belief system was it that freed the world from Monarchy in the American revolution and ended chattel slavery? That defeated a re-emergent Roman empire in the World Wars?? Hint: it involved pretty opposite of the man is God one.

      • Jason S April 4, 2014, 8:13 pm

        Vlad, I appreciate your sentiment. I have to say that if how you present yourself is an act or real, at least it is interesting and I like interesting.

        Question, do you believe that there is good and maliciousness in the world or are these just pointless constructs as well?

      • VLAD April 5, 2014, 6:58 am

        randy, I re-read now your last post.
        randy, there is no saviour. none. zero.
        no matter your bs 3000 years of control bs.
        I am alone. you are alone. period. nothing else.
        you want to live, or die, or trust anyone that tells you
        a fairy tale, just because it is a 3k year tale, that soothed others?
        that’s your business. but longterm means nothing whatsover. only present matters.
        bible torah islam whatever, just clever stories, to control their people, in ‘god’ fear.
        my opinion. much considered while young. but for last 30 years, I’m certain, all are b.s.
        randy, you sound intense, but committed to your ‘faith.’ so stick with it.
        but stop trying to convince others of your own swallowed b.s. waste of time.
        you’re better off preparing for the big manure, that is surely coming, to we that breathe.

        $$$$$$$$$$$$$

        jason, you are as earnest as the daily rising sun, so I will detailed answer you likewise.

        “Vlad, I appreciate your sentiment. I have to say that if how you present yourself is an act or real, at least it is interesting and I like interesting. Question, do you believe that there is good and maliciousness in the world or are these just pointless constructs as well?”

        1. everything I do, is an act and is real, both, at the same time. so wrong question.
        IMO, don’t be so damn amerikain foolish literal. in france, you’d be laughed off.

        2. of course I am interesting. for if not, I would bore myself. and all I care is for myself.
        you don’t matter to me, nor host rick, or any other clown on this site, nor anyone else.
        only care for me. repeat–I only care for myself. skrew you all. do you get it. be likewise.

        3. ‘good and evil’ are interesting stories. but, if you ask me point blank, do I believe,
        in ‘good and evil’, no I don’t. for I believe in point-counterpoint. I believe that everything
        flows. hitler? crazy as manure, but, the dude followed his own crazed path to end.
        I could cte many other madmen, that believed in their own selves, and killed many.
        like hitler, or some, even worse, believe it or not. percentage wise. but what made
        hitler unique, IMSO, is how coldly systematically he did it, without any feeling at all.
        weird. stalin, ghengis khan and alexander of macedonia were worse mass killers.
        anyway, I have gone off topic by now. so host will have me erased, in one link click.

        however, to answer your final question, NOTHING is pointless. you learn from everything.
        object is individual survival. not dream world, belief in others. individualism. my motto.

        (ps—VLAD was worst torturer of all. ergo, my chosen pseudonym. so you are warned).

    • Troll March 31, 2014, 5:51 am

      Nice. Trading has become a religious sermon.

      • Randy March 31, 2014, 10:12 am

        Fact: almost all the governments of Europe defaulted on their debts destroying the savings of many common people in Europe and America.

        Fact: no government repays all it has promised.

        Fact: when debt based bubbles pop, millions of people die in wars that follow.

        Fact: voluntarily building relationships of trust with neighbors provides (like at church / synagogue) more protection than not. Otherwise government remains your only “church” to rely on.

        Yes, trading is about patterns and knowing where you are in them and what to do about it… Which requires a knowledge of history and solutions that have worked.

      • paul April 6, 2014, 7:30 pm

        Eventually the fact surfaces that “we” are the gold and when “we” start defaulting on obligations all trust is broken and credit money will no longer be able to get pulled forward to pay bills.

    • mario cavolo April 1, 2014, 3:46 pm

      Randy,

      Meet Vlad.

      Welcome to the board.

      By the way, my name is Mickey.

      Cheers.

      • EVIL VLAD April 2, 2014, 6:19 am

        mickey, I have so many weblinks on the demise of china’s economic fraudulent joke,
        I won’t bother. besides, you are the host’s china princess, and he’d erase it anyway.
        however, I will say, I was just impressed, at gut level, by an hbo documentary I just saw,
        of china’s many ghosts cities. especially the copycat empty paris city. surreal indeed.
        I mean, how does a nation turn it’s back on it’s own history, to prefer mocking another.

      • mario cavolo April 3, 2014, 4:57 am

        V, that you consider the matter of China’s expansion an economic fraudulent joke speaks to the issue. Anyone may happily wax on about the economic fraud in the U.S, but to then extend anything that remotely resembles such to being similar in China is ludicrous. I already asked you to post the links indicating China’s demise and you have yet to do so. Where are they? I also posted my refute which you didn’t refute. Of course, much to your dismay that is because my statements can’t be refuted, evident reality can’t be refuted. If they could, I would not have publicly put my name on them in the first place. Its like me telling you the sky is blue and you saying you “just don’t believe me because…”. “Belief” is not involved, only observable reality. While at times, your incisiveness breathes life and good-to-know knowledge into this forum, you seem to “need” to ignore reality and have blinders on when it comes to certain topics such as China’s expansion; that’s not wise moving forward in this life.

        I don’t much care whether me, you or anyone “likes” China’s expansion. That doesn’t change a thing. I’ve posted everything that evidently true regarding China so that you and anyone else here is no longer ignorant nor naive on the subject. There is nothing else to do or say other than note that there is a rising group of 400 million people with more cash in hand than is debt on the Fed’s books. Feel free to resent a country that is adding $700 billion a year to its GDP all you want, who’s citizens spend more when they travel than any other citizen of any other country in the world, who’s households have little in the way of mortgages and credit card debt. Oh good grief, I could go on and on, why bother?

        If I was you, I’d be much more focused on making assertions that can be reasonably and sensibly backed by a set of references which indicate the picture clearly. You seem to do that pretty well when it comes to what’s happening with our newly divorced Putin…why you insist on being irrational when it comes to China makes no sense…

        Cheers, Mickey

      • VILE VLAD April 3, 2014, 5:39 am

        mickey, first off, your host blocks 90 percent of my posts answering you.

        &&&&

        This one too, Vlad. Even though you know exactly what kind of stuff gets blocked, you persist in sending more and more of it. Isn’t that a form of insanity? Are you even capable of showing a little class in responding to a post by Mario? RA

      • mario cavolo April 3, 2014, 8:44 am

        Insanity, V, is doing the same thing over and over again thinking you’re going to get a different result. Rick’s censorship of your posts apparently hasn’t yet taught you that.

        Moving on to the TOPIC, I’m NOT interested, NO ONE here is interested in your rude, insulting blather and dribble. Your intelligent, incisiveness is welcome. So on the topic, skip the rhetoric, show me the links, make your case. Feel free to send me more video commentary and article analysis on China for me to parse. My doing so is a fairly meaningful contribution to the site and I enjoy it very much.

        Cheers, Mickey

      • EVIL VLAD April 4, 2014, 3:23 am

        ackerman, I have no class, so I pretend to none.
        I have no pretensions to sanity either, for I consider that a most modern day pretension.
        since I long ago learned, all humans, are balanced, between madness and brightness,
        between sanity and insanity, between logic and illogic, between darkness and light,
        and all it takes to tilt either strongly, into solely 1 direction, is existential circumstance.

        just like in today’s heavily controlled psych world. everybody MUST be rational, or else.
        however, what is the ‘true real’ difference, between rational and irrational? IMO, none.
        because ALL is perception. and circumstance. and those tables can be turned, instantly.
        but then again, recall, your metaphorical dream? and how did you perceive things, then?
        everything turned around instantly, right? in your dream? whole new snap ‘reality’?

        force. that is all that is real. force. you kill me, I kill you. ad infinitum. soon coming.
        and it ain’t gonna be no dream. except in the metaphorical sense, of course.

      • mario April 5, 2014, 1:57 pm

        “ackerman, I have no class, so I pretend to none.
        I have no pretensions to sanity either, for I consider that a most modern day pretension.
        since I long ago learned, all humans, are balanced, between madness and brightness,
        between sanity and insanity, between logic and illogic, between darkness and light,
        and all it takes to tilt either strongly, into solely 1 direction, is existential circumstance.”

        Beautifully described V…Cheers, Mickey