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Canada at the Edge Of Deflation’s Vortex

by Rick Ackerman on April 23, 2010 12:43 am GMT · 24 comments

(Last time we heard from “Cameroni,” his downbeat economic forecast for Canada drew a deluge of responses in the forum, both pro and con. Things have only gotten worse since, he says, and Canada has now edged perilously close to the deflationary abyss that threatens to engulf so many other countries. Below is Cam’s up-to-date assessment of Canada at-the-brink. RA)

Several weeks ago I wrote a letter that was published on Rick’s Pick’s under the headline “Canada Won’t Escape Drag of a Slumping U.S.” Since that time there has been a torrent of media analysis of Canada’s housing bubble from both within this country and from U.S. media. There has been a surprising and candid response by the Chief Economists of TD Canada Trust and the CIBC, two of Canada’s large banks. Who knew that Rick’s site was that influential?

There is clearly a keen interest in the U.S. about the state of the Canadian economy, and until now few have questioned how we Canadians have achieved so much, so fast and turned in such an impressive economic performance, particularly as it occurred during a major global downturn. These additional remarks will hopefully shed some light on those questions and, while written for a Canadian audience, will likely resonate with our Southern neighbors who have already seen this story play out in their own backyard.

Within days of the publication of my letter to Bob Tor, a Rick’s Pick’s contributor, U.S. bondholders of Canadian bank debt began demanding a risk premium as it became clear that a housing bubble was indeed forming in this country. The big four Banks here in Canada have now responded by twice raising mortgage lending rates over the past three weeks in order to cool the real estate market. The Governor of the Bank of Canada meanwhile has strongly hinted of increases ahead for the overnight rate, and analysts now speculate those increases could add up to 2 percentage points or more this year alone.

Housing Inflation

Inflation pressures in this country since the sub-prime meltdown have been primarily driven by the sharp increase in home prices and consumption related to housing construction. This of course was the result of cheap-money policies enacted to stimulate consumption and drive the economy here, as it appeared that we, like our American friends, were also headed for a deep recession. The policy was successful.

Too successful. Our recession never came and instead Canadians borrowed, bought and spent as if it were the best of times. That is now expected to end as a cooling phase has begun. Meanwhile, our dollar has now gone above parity and is worth more than the greenback, creating new economic risks as it now coincides with escalating interest rates. We have entered uncharted territory in Canada. My additional commentary now follows:

With recent interest rate increases and a rapid rise in home listings in the hot markets, slowing sales in others, a chilling signal has been sent and the tide is turning on the Canadian real estate scene. I sense there will be an abrupt change in buyer sentiment as the new, costlier reality begins to sink in; and a panic wave of listings as sellers suddenly find they cannot get out. Domestic concerns about rising interest rates, persistently high unemployment, a much speculated-on dollar at parity to the greenback, and regulatory changes being introduced by government and CMHC (Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation is our version of Fannie Mae) are now impossible to ignore unless you live in a cave.

Mind-Numbing Risks

There is uncertainty all over the globe as well that can and will affect our markets and our ability to sell products abroad at current prices. The number of risks at play now are mind-numbing. Nothing can be taken for granted anymore. There is no status quo that can be relied on as sustainable. The risk of sovereign defaults is an example. A Euro that could spin out of control if the likes of Spain, Italy, Portugal, Greece and a raft of others cannot get their domestic economies under control.

Britain meanwhile is in hock to its eyeballs with its own real estate markets looking to continue their freefall again in the face of rising taxes that could put that whole economy at risk. The U.S. continues to deflate while parts of China are in a massive real estate bubble caused by cheap money and their own stimulus. What the Chinese have done is pour gasoline onto a fire, and we can hardly imagine the consequences when it all unravels. The Japanese meanwhile are facing the specter of a Yen devaluation and possible hyper-inflation, while German coffers are strained as it struggles to prop up others and come to grips with some of its neighbors going broke.

Every one of these problems should be taken into consideration before taking on a massive personal mortgage debt. Why? Because of global interconnectedness. Because of the risk of contagion. Because we lean on each other, and if one falls, all could follow. If the message has not gotten through yet, debt is the poison that the whole globe is drowning in right now, and more of a bad thing cannot possibly be better for the average Canadian.

Which Trigger?

But those are only some of the looming threats. Some suggest that U.S. commercial real estate could yet collapse the financial markets while others stay focused on the potential for more derivative unwinding. Which one of these triggers will be the one that takes down the whole house of cards? Nobody knows, but any single one could do it. These are dangerous times. These are times to start stocking the larder, not buying into mortgage slavery. It is time to eliminate personal debt, cut back on non-essentials and get prepared for what is almost certainly going to be a financial hurricane and potentially a devastating deflation of asset values in this country. It will be epic.

For those who want to take the bullet for the nation, and help plump up GDP numbers so our country can continue to crow about its economic strength, its low debt-to-GDP ratio and strong banking sector, then go for it. Best of luck. Some of us know better.

There are just so many compelling reasons to avoid buying most Canadian real estate right now, and so many more reasons to sell into this bubble and take profits if you can. You often hear the phrase “timing is everything” and for those lucky enough to get their timing right the payoff can be tremendous. But timing is difficult to judge for most people. We are harsh when it comes to criticizing those who have called market tops too early, with scant praise for those who got it right but in the wrong year.

A Doomed Market

Nonetheless, a trend is a trend, and with clear evidence of a bubble fully formed in the real estate market and dozens of worrisome indicators casting shadows over the road ahead, it is only fools who cry about having lost potential gains, about not having drained the last bit of juice out of a doomed market. So if you took heed of the warnings to sell your home and got out alive, albeit a little too early, then don’t worry. Consider yourself one of the lucky ones. The smart money has already bailed out of this market. Time has run out for everyone else.

So we are now at a crossroads in Canada. Our so-called economic strength has been built on the backs of an army of mostly young inexperienced real estate buyers who drove GDP numbers through home purchases, home services and consumption related to the construction industry. The kids have accomplished in two short years what no government could ever do; spend other peoples money like drunken sailors without a whimper from the media, the tax paying public or the banks.

And vast numbers of them made us all proud by gorging on mortgage debt. Much of it is guaranteed by the Government through the CMHC (that means you and me of course). There were of course sane voices warning of the risks but they were drowned out by agenda and a media drunk on a torrent of factual lies spit out by the likes of local Realtors with little more than a grade 12 education.

Looks Good on Paper

We truly have had a great success here in Canada. We are the marvel of the world with what appear to be strong banks and a vibrant optimistic economy, strong GDP numbers and low relative debt. It all looks good on paper but pulling the curtain aside you see there is another reality. A generation of Canadians who financed our economic marvel by borrowing and spending and driving the costs of the single most important investment in life to dizzying heights. By accepting mortgage slavery voluntarily and with gusto. And no warnings could stop them.

Too many folks have mortgaged their future from ignorance of the risks. From some perspective, though, the stimulus and dirt cheap money incentives have been spectacularly successful towards creating the impression for the rest of the G7 that we are the pillar of strength. What nonsense! Just feathers and fur. As in the U.S., Canadians have borrowed heavily against the newfound wealth in their homes. We bought new cars and trucks, cottages and lake-front properties, overseas holidays and gadgets. All from money that only existed in terms of vastly inflated real estate, (a lucky few do feel fat and rich, though, for having cashed out and are now enjoying our strong currency). We have collectively gone deep into debt with lines of credit and credit cards, buying things we never needed but could not resist because it all came so easy. Too easy. Now it will all have to be paid back.

The Real Basket Cases

In some corners of government and finance it was actually believed that if we could just hold on long enough it would all be OK:  that easy, low-interest-rate policies would be needed just long enough to get us over the hump; that the recession would pass and no real harm could come of the low interest rates. Granted, some of the kids would be in deep, but overall it was for the good of the country, and if employment held up, particularly in the home services, retail and construction sectors, then all would be well. Government could bail out the real basket cases like the auto makers if only the army of consumers like you and I would do our part by borrowing, shopping and keeping everyone else buoyant and employed. It is a compelling argument, actually. Too bad it was wrong.

Unfortunately the economic whiz-kids did not look outside our own borders when considering this ruinous idea nor consider the threats a high dollar might pose. Nor were the dangers of eventual (and guaranteed) higher interest rates fully accounted for. Quite frankly, many of the best minds in this country labored under the same belief many Canadians still hold – i.e., that housing prices could not truly fall, and that even if they did it would not be for long. We have after all seen recessions come and go and prices have always bounced back.

Debt Holds Key

But there is something different this time around and that difference is the staggering debt levels of governments, corporations and individuals all over the globe. The difference is that we were piling on debts during a global recession as we watched one country after another lurch from crisis to crisis with some now on the brink of default. What were we thinking? That we could save the U.S. economy from deflating? That we Canadians might rescue the Euro zone by going deep into debt here at home? What nonsense. The whole exercise has only led to damaging speculation on our currency that is surely going to destroy what remains of our manufacturing industries and lead to unemployment that will rival the estimated 22% joblessness in America right now. Let’s not forget that for every position in manufacturing there are two or three jobs spun off in the service sector. (So who needs haircuts anyway, I’ll just grow it long again like it was in the Sixties, no problem).

And it is not as though we did not know we were already too indebted. The Vanier Institute for example has been warning for many, many years, since well before the sub-prime meltdown, that Canadians were digging a debt hole for themselves. They now report the average Canadians debt to income ratio stands at 147% and that number will surely grow on average if unemployment numbers increase. But who are they to tell us our business? Just some stale old think-tank guys and gals in suspenders who don’t know good opportunities when they see them! I am sure they would enjoy the last laugh if only they were not so disgusted that their warnings were falling on deaf ears.

With Luck…

The debt-to-income picture is especially dismal when you don’t have any income to speak of. So while it is a good thing that the real estate markets are now cooling, we can only hope that there are no major interruptions in our country’s commerce or day to day business brought on by events outside our own borders. With luck we can slowly dig our way out of the massive debt pile that was accumulated in the name of fighting off other debt problems. Like GM, Chrysler, the banks etc. Does anyone see the irony there?

I am not optimistic, though, and sadly, the road ahead does not look to be paved with gold. The greater health of our country now rests on decisions we cannot control in countries we may have never been to. Appearances are that a race to the bottom is under way, with currencies large and small all over the world. A global deflation may well be in the cards. This is not a race we can win as heirs to massive untapped natural resources, nor at a time when commodities rule the markets. It is surely time to get our house in order — to start paying down debts in a serious way, and I for one cannot feel any sense of ease at the number of threats to our economic well being that are now percolating outside our borders. A real estate correction is welcome, but it is only a starting point in bringing some sanity back to this country. Some soul searching is in line too. We need to revisit our value systems from less heady days. And we need to take cover. The worst may yet be ahead.

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{ 24 comments }

FranSix April 23, 2010 at 3:14 am

It looks like the policy rate in Canada is the same as the overnight rate, which matches closely the 3-month treasury rate. (no wonder they’re jawboning on raising rates!)

http://www.bankofcanada.ca/en/rates/monmrt.html

But if we are talking a rise in interest rates, its the long end of the curve people are concerned with, while the Bank Of Canada is talking about raising the overnight rate. These are two completely different animals. The banks are probably adjusting mortgage rates to suit some internal directive, rather than taking their cue from the Bank Of Canada. Consider China, which has seen its banks raise mortgage rates time and again, yet there is no stopping the bubble there.

There has been virtually no change in all of this in the long end of the curve, only steepening of the yield curve to match that of the U.S.

Even so, the U.S. policy rate for money markets is above the market discount rate, I believe Canadian rates are set to follow. This rate is set to decline, and I believe we’ll see negative rates at some point.

http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$IRX&p=M&b=5&g=0&id=p45163948136&a=191116053&listNum=2&listNum=2

What is very, very likely is that Government Bonds will save the day, as banks the world over are on life support. (and behaving like there’s no tomorrow.)

There’s no saying that governments are more precarious than the commercial banking system (when considering derivatives) when it has literally been propped up for so long that any move in long term rates anywhere in the world will set in the fear of inflation and sovereign risk.

Its the banks that are fundamentally at risk, more so than western governments. That being said, here’s Dr. Faber with some prognostications on base metals, and currencies:

http://tinyurl.com/29jhruo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPd7VtVjmpg&feature=player_embedded

steve April 23, 2010 at 3:29 am

So if the three largest economies in the world (US, Germany, Japan) melt down, it might not be smooth sailing for Canada? Yes house prices have just surpassed the pre-recession peak. Yes, we are due a correction. How about the one we had in the early 90’s where house prices dropped 35-40% but the world continued to spin. Yes interest rates are going up and that will curtail excessive borrowing as will the tighter CMHC mortgage backed qualifications. Good, seems like sound money management is making a return. Here in Canada we cannot deduct mortgage interest against other income (easily) so there was not as much refinancing to keep up with the Jones’s. The end of the world table thumping is too strident. Yes we have a housing correction coming. Yes, people with variable rates are soon going to be locking in their fixed rates. Yes, house prices will drop. Rinse, lather, repeat. Cheer-up, we’ll be fine.

Martin Snell April 23, 2010 at 4:02 am

Not much new.

Yes Canadian house prices are higher than they should be but there are two points that are ignored:

1. A large portion of the higher rices is due to the rise of the Canadian dollar. As an example I bought my first house in 1994 for $145,000 at a time when the C$ to the US$ was about 1.4, making my house at the time worth US$100,000 and change.

Fast forward to today. That house is now worth $290,000 (just went up for sale last week) and has had some improvements and upgrades. So in C$ it has doubled in about 15 years, which is not so crazy. But in US$ it is now worth about $300,000, so it has tripled.

One way to look at it is that Canadians have benefited from 15 years of government austerity (budget surpluses) that have raised the value of the dollar and lowered interest rates (Canadian rates always used to be higher than US rates). But now the Canadian prime rates is only 2.25% vs. 3.25% in the US.

2. The second point is that Canadians don’t seem to move around as much as Americans. House turnover seems to be a fair bit lower. I have mentioned before that on our current street (we have been here 3 years) there are 65 houses. In the last 3 years only 6 have come up for sale. Not exactly a high turnover.

The point is that for most people gains have only been paper gains. They can go away (prices fall) and for most people it won’t be a hardship. By and large Canadians have not gone in for the house as an ATM machine and as a result still have substantial equity.

Yes overall prices are too high – but you have to realize that there is no one market. Vancouver is insane, but has been so for 30 years. Calgary goes through regular booms and busts. Toronto is fueled by immigrants (most immigrants come to Toronto – in fact more than 50% of Torontonions were not born in Canada). Windsor is a mess (cheap) thanks to being next to Detroit. Montreal is capped by political uncertainty. etc.

Our biggest problem in Canada is a Conservative government that is a horrible manager of the economy. They were the ones falling for the US style mortgage innovations and tricks in a quest for “free markets”. They turned surpluses into deficits even before the recession started.

A final point on banking. Canada’s has 5 too big to fail banks. The Canadian approach has been to constrain their activities and limit their leverage. Without government supplied handcuffs Canadian banks would have been just as stupid/greedy as US banks. (remember they wanted to merge a few years back and government said NO) .

Benjamin April 23, 2010 at 10:28 am

If I can argue some points without coming across as a Canada-basher…

“1. A large portion of the higher rices is due to the rise of the Canadian dollar.”

The first part doesn’t really make sense to me. A strong currency should mean lower prices, not higher. So it would have to be stronger demand for housing relative to supply that accounts for it. And that would make sense, given that there isn’t a glut of unlived-in houses in Canada like there is here. Plus, the job market there has been more stable than down here (see below quote on your second point). Are we in agreement? In the meantime…

“Vancouver, Calgary, Toronto, Windsor, Montreal”

Right. Most of Canada! But even if there was much more outside of the population centers, I remind that a minority of mortgage defaults set the U.S. markets on their current course. You might not be there yet, but that doesn’t mean you can’t. And given the rapid rise in housing prices, coupled with that risen dollar that very much ruin exporting, I’d say you stand a better chance of being there some day than not.

“2. The second point is that Canadians don’t seem to move around as much as Americans.”

Yes, that tends to come with the chronic volitility of the job market. Seems we’ve more than the ATM market down here, and both are broken. The question is, did all the moving around/rolling over of debt cause the job market to go unstable, or was it the other way around? The answer is the former. Human nature tends to settle unless it can’t for some reason(s).

Now, since Canada’s dollar is risen I don’t see how the job market there will fare well, and by that I mean in tandem with the high prices of the houses that many Canadians apparently will not be able to afford. It doesn’t matter, imv, that there’s more empty houses down here. Being unable to pay the mortgage is what matters. That’s where bubbles most of all begin to deflate, right?

And before anyone bashes my Canadian bashing… I’m not bashing anyone. Why is it so wrong to show people ugly realities these days? Besides, all Canada has to do is find a new trading partner. And I truly wish Canadians good luck on that. The West is dying from a thousand cuts and unless the C$ can find a way to lower vs asian currencies (unless you prefer Africa?), you won’t be doing as much exporting as you did with the United States. That’s the nature of fiat currencies, and not Canadians vs Americans (but we’re all americans because we live in NORTH AMERICA) or anything like that. That is how things are given our monetary system, and they will be that way until we all decide otherwise. Reject the crap now, and we can all recover all the sooner.

don April 23, 2010 at 5:32 am

It is unfortunate for people who do not understand debt.
Hopefully our friends in Canada will not have to experience what we here in the US and other nations are facing. Insurmountable debt. ie. we have 100.00 and pay on a credit card. Debt paid; excuse me, the 100.00 is a Federal Reserve Note, (a debt instrument) paying a Credit Card Note (a debt instrument). Sorry to say finance 101 illustrates you can’t pay a debt with a debt unless you inflate the debt. Then suddenly these two hombres walk into the ‘fiat’ hotel to check in and the desk clerk can we take your baggage to your rooms.
The two hombres speak as the same time. We didn’t bring any baggage. Hotel clerk looking astonished, ask their name; I’m Mr. Silver and my friend is Mr. Gold.
We will pay in ounces as we carry no debt.
Don

SDavid April 23, 2010 at 6:02 am

What does Canada have that most of the world doesn’t?

Resources, for one thing. An educated work force for another. Also the world’s highest rated banking system.

It is difficult to find the number of vacant homes in Canada, but the number of vacant homes in the US is more than half Canada’s entire population and I am reasonably sure on a per-capita basis that Canada’s vacant homes is nowhere near that of the US.

Why is it that people are always looking for a, “What’s wrong?” instead of a, “What’s right?”

I wonder sometimes if the human race would have even got past the “Rub two sticks together and we can make fire” stage if the people of that era were as negative as so many of the people today.

The world isn’t a perfect place, and Canada is part of those imperfections, and that’s the way it is. Canada isn’t bullet proof.

I don’t particulary like the US, but I love their people, if that makes any sense. Canadians are blasted every single day by American’s “take” on things (mostly because our homegrown TV shows suck), and we allow another country’s perspective to infiltrate our own little world.

Yes, what Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan Chase (not to forget the US war machine) do in the dying days of a US empire will have a huge negative impact on Canada.

I would still rather suffer through those negative effects being in Canada than most other places in the world.

SDavid April 23, 2010 at 6:20 am

Just an addition to my previous response:

As Canadians, we allowed ourselves to believe we were vastly “inferior” to the US (no army, no space program, our dollar was often trading at ridiculous levels to the “falsified” US greenback, etc).

Canada ain’t that bad, and we can compete on the world’s stage.

zippythepinhead April 23, 2010 at 6:31 am

To see how far out of whack things are in Canadian real estatemarket….http://www.crackshackormansion.com/

Franco Mazzuca April 23, 2010 at 12:14 pm

Your assessment is correct. These have been my thoughs and feels as well. I too am Canadian and I do not look forward to the mess you and I will have to clean up. I am disappointed and upset at the current Harper government and the what they have done to weaken a great nation. Instead of facing the issues they took the easy way out. In 2006 introduced 0% down and 40year amortization from the standard 25 year amortization. But unlike the US where a mortgage can be closed for 30 years in Canada many have been variable(delcining interest rates for 20 years and affordability) and if closed it is only for 5 years. Very few have a 10 year closed. If interest rates rise for the next 10 to 20 years this will unleash the same forces that affected the US housing market.

What I hated most was the boasting about our prudent banks and their lending standards.

Also the it is different arguement.

Canadians are humans like all other nationalities and will exhibit the same investment behaviors of greed and fear.

This will not be pretty in Canada.

If China blows, commodity prices decline then the 100 billion capital inflow will turn into an outflow and interest rates will rise rapidly. That will be the trigger that turns a housing correction into a panic selling scenario.

Martin Snell April 23, 2010 at 1:37 pm

A couple of more thoughts

1. The point above about mortgage interest in Canada not being tax deductible is a very important ones. Imagine how much less you would be able to afford if you could not deduct the interest payments.

2. My understanding (I stand to be corrected) is that Canadians use different mortgage terms than the US. Most people here seem to have gone to short term mortgages (1-5 years) vs more 30 year mortgages in the US.

What this means is two fold. First Canadians have been able to capture the full gains from lower interest costs (no mortgage interest deductibility so no loss from a lower tax deduction), which has helped keep consumption high – kind of like a tax cut. Second, Canadians are quite exposed to any move up in rates – which obviously would have a big impact on overall demand, quite quickly.

3. As the C$ has risen it has introduced deflationary pressures on its own as the price of imports has fallen, or stayed steady. So lower interest rates and a higher C$ have been a double “gain” for consumers, helping to ward off some of the recession.

breezer1 April 23, 2010 at 1:46 pm
kevin April 23, 2010 at 3:55 pm

Just to reinforce the insanity.
Friends of ours in Thunder Bay, Ontario were offered $98,000 for a lot !!! And the lot ain’t that big. Maybe 80×120. In an older neighbourhood.
$98K for a LOT in Thunder Bay…..wow….!
People have lost their minds….or have money to burn…

Steve April 23, 2010 at 5:01 pm

Only one thing I see from the Public Education System. A population of extreme optimism, I’m taking radically blind optimism which sees no past, no future, only the present; – I think positive – thus the world is positive – thus I will be. Don’t worry the government will never let that happen (my family’s story). Don’t worry the government will never leave me hungry. Don’t worry the government is here to help you.

Have any of you had a job in government which “Think Tanks” what to do in anarachy ?

Don’t worry – be happy !

Better to be happy when the earth opens, than to spend one’s time trying to get others to see, or to wile away a life trying to pay the price for other’s foolishness.

Pray I am wrong, but; don’t blame me – I blew Shofar.

Gary Warner April 23, 2010 at 5:19 pm

I live in Australia- this article could easily have been talking about oz-the issues are identical. The current results are definitely the same ie rising currency and property bubble fuelled by young people taking on debt at unprecedented levels. The govt here has encouraged all of this , it seems all govts think that kids hocking their future is good for the nation.

mario cavolo April 23, 2010 at 5:28 pm

Hi All, yes its all related so as worrying in Canada, now in China a genuine alert that yes China is going to see serious volatility in the overpriced property markets; the gov’t has definitively halted mortgages for 3rd homes. We have it on very good word from our local veteran real estate friend that a wave of cancellations is coming now. Many bought their 3rd homes with the down payment thinking they could mortgage it and the mortgage has just been pulled out from under them. There had been no buyers the past two months since after the Chinese New Year spike and now this latest tightening.

Don’t misunderstand. The economy is still doing relatively very well with so much new wealth and cash. I would say this caution only applies to the property markets where the prices have already gone way too high too fast as Vancouver apparently did too; Shanghai, Beijing, Shenzhen, Guangzhou, Hong Kong, Sanya are the main culprits to tumble…..gang, I mean NOW. So stay tuned…you can already see the Shanghai Index has popped back below 3000…Cheers, Mario

Mike April 23, 2010 at 5:45 pm

Yeah I saw that CrackShack site floating around on the news as well. Quite silly really, I guess tear-downs sitting on land zoned for apartments or higher density’s don’t bring any realism to the scenario.

Another Note. if you have ever been to Vancouver you would see that it is unique in that it is srrounded by water, mountains and borders on all sides and filled with land locked in the Agricultural Land Reserve.

It’s called supply and demand, and it ain’t Detroit.

toptick114 April 23, 2010 at 6:59 pm

Global CONtagion has already begun (a decade or so now) and was precipitated in NY under the guise of Goldman with a helping hand of both the Fed, as well as policy makers, who packaged the majority of filthy paper with the blessings of Corrupt ratings agencies and a blind eye or, shall we say, a Complicit hand of the regulatory agencies such as, SEC, while generating enormous fees, who then proceeded to disburse the paper to its brethren, i.e. Lehman; Bear Stearns; UBS; Merrill etc. etc. etc. whom then proceeded to spread the cancer throughout the globe, all the while, Da Boyz at Governmint Sachs shorting said paper.

With Global OTC Derivatives now standing at a notional $ 604 trillion, as well as the debasing of fiat currencies on a global scale and a bond market ripe for implosion, dark clouds persist with the worst yet to follow.

Keep in mind the suspension of FASB157, as well as governments globally utilizing the ‘playbook’ of Enron , where countless shell companies exist ‘off-shore’ hiding a vast sum (Trillion$$$$$) of the toxicity, the global landscape remains littered with triggered landmines.

FranSix April 23, 2010 at 11:04 pm

Search all you like, but an inflation-adjusted chart for the TSX is just not available, simply because nobody thinks to put one together.

It will tell the whole story.

paris April 24, 2010 at 4:47 am

Canada on quicksand/ why not do what we lucky people in Australia are doing-import nearly 300,000 migrants
each year , all desperate for somewhere to live and very few houses to buy.so sky high house prices , building levels low, interest rates low , we are all in happy heaven
the answer is simple . gooday from Tassie

Aussie Roy April 24, 2010 at 5:29 am

I agree with the other Aussie’s comments, you could replace Canada with Australia and this article would be correct.
Even worse for Australia, we have never suffered a big price down turn in real estate. House prices here have tripled in 10 years.
Our market is also full of those who call themselves investors but are nothing more than speculators chasing capital gains, average rental return here is less than 3%.
I wonder what percentage of the BIG 5 Canadian banks asset base are local (Canadian) mortgages, research here shows although our big 4 did not engage in the US CDS market 2 of our banks have more than 50% of their asset base in Aussie mortgages. Should our housing market crash it will take our banking system with it.

Interested in Aussie housing try http://www.bubblepedia.net.au

David R. April 25, 2010 at 12:57 am

I live in a village of <600 about an hour outside of Calgary. There's about one house per block for sale right now and have been for about 2-3 months now. Some listings go back over a year. I don't know of any that have sold so far this year. Who in their right mind is going to buy a 30-40 yr old house for $240,000 in a community of this size?
What do I live in? I paid $30,000 7yrs ago it's now appraised at $72,000 and mortgage-free.
I have no intention of selling.
I have been constantly harping at people to live within their means for years. I've been laughed at, called old-fashioned, and ignored.
Now who looks like a silly old fool!

Aussie Ben April 25, 2010 at 10:21 am

I seriously could have been reading an article on Australia.
Actions speak louder than words – I already sold my house (because all I did was stress about the size of the mortgage) and have been saving ever since.
Best peace of mind investment ever.
I will of course consider rebuying into the market once I don’t have to take out a mortgage but for now that seems a while off.

bud007 April 25, 2010 at 6:08 pm

whoever wrote that doesn’t know a thing …. a complete disconnect with young people here in Canada

The only (just about) debt young people are taking here are student loans…. i don’t know a single person under 25 who owns a house, and I know a lot of 25-year-olds. So, in perspective, I have no idea where AND HOW the guy came to such conclusions.

Meanwhile, lending standards here are STILL MUCH TIGHTER than elsewhere. So even though the houses here are somewhat overpriced, should there be a crash — there probably will be — the shock is NOT gonna be as severe as what it was in the USA

Rob April 27, 2010 at 5:30 am

I’ll jump with an anecdote. I live in a small BC village, pop. 1100 permanent, and surges to 2400+ in the summers. A tourist economy now, with some residue of the timber economy and some mining left. Our R.E. prices are extreme for what a person can earn here, but the prices are driven by those who own second homes here, and most owners are from oil rich Alberta, or retired people who spend winters ‘down south’ – Arizona, Florida etc…

Prop. Ex: 25′ x 100′ Comm. undeveloped property, no utilities hooked up .. price in ‘95 – $50K, ‘99 – $65K, ‘05 – 79K, and most recent purchaser ‘09 – 165K. Local building costs for commercial permit are about $300/ft. Do the math … it seems insane since there isn’t the customer base to really support any investment at this level … yet people with money, who obviously have some savvy, are purchasing and making prices rise.

1. R.E. prices are affected by out-of-province purchasers. It seems as long as oil provides jobs, people don’t see prices coming down to any significant extent in our area.

2. It is dangerous to assume that ‘Canada’ as a whole is going into deflation in R.E. I agree certain regions due to unemployment rates or loss of industry will deflate as they adjust. In this area, as long the jobs in the energy sector continue, (oil) we seem to be experiencing the overflow from their earnings.

3. In conclusion, sectors will be hit – BUT I think we all need to be very educated on our own geographic area and our economic drivers to be able to have a clue as to whether our area will be part of a bubble collapse or a slight (5 – 15%) deflation in price.

Any comments? I’m trying to become educated in all this and initially followed the whole ’sky is falling’ routine from fall of ‘08 forward… and now … I’m thinking much of this will be effected more on a regional basis depending on primary industry (energy sector vs. automotive vs. raw goods extraction etc…)

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