NY Times Feature No Kiss of Death for Gold

Investors enamored of gold now have two supposed contrary indicators to worry about:  the New York Times, which did a front-page feature over the weekend on bullion’s growing popularity as an asset class; and CNBC, where a Deutsche Bank analysts on Friday predicted a $75 surge to $1300 an ounce over the next few days.  Although we’ve never been comfortable following recommendations aired on CNBC, the ostensible endorsement of the Gray Lady is another story. Our respect for the Times’ business section goes back to the summer of 1976, when they were the first big newspaper to notice that a small company called Resorts International had opened an office in Atlantic City.  Resorts’ common shares were selling for about $2 at the time, but – gold bugs take note – after the Times story ran in August, RTA class ‘B’ shares began a steady ascent over the next two years to around $160.

We expect Gold to consolidate this summer for a powerful move that will begin in October

So don’t think that just because gold investments have gotten front-page treatment in the New York Times that that will be the kiss of death for precious metals. The Times, after all, is not merely some upscale cousin of the mentally retarded Newsweek. And for every half-competent, politically warped bloviator like Paul Krugman who writes for the paper, there is a top-flight reporter elsewhere in the newsroom like Floyd Norris, who gets his facts straight and covers the issues of the day with the kind of balance and understanding that can truly help readers get a handle on the news.

Gold Will Take No Prisoners

Contrary indicators aside, our own technical runes suggest that gold’s long-term bull market remains healthy and robust but that deep-pocketed buyers are in no particular hurry to push quotes up to new levels.  Under the circumstances, we’d be surprised if the CNBC guest’s prediction of $1300 this week pans out. But if he returns to the airwaves in October – which is when we expect gold bulls to stop taking prisoners — he’ll probably have more luck. In the meantime, we attribute gold’s reluctant posturing of late to Europe’s newfound austerity.  Whether or not Europe can handle the pain of fiscal deflation is an open question. For the present, however, no one should doubt that the countries that plan to cut back – at this time, Britain, Germany, France, and of course Greece – fully understand that a printing-press solution will only make the eventual day of reckoning worse, if not to say catastrophic. Whether or not you believe they will stay the course, this is not the time to bet against the euro – or on runaway inflation.

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  • F. Beard June 18, 2010, 3:15 pm

    “Genesis 2:12 And the gold of the land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.

    Haggai 2:8 The silver is mine, and the gold is mine, saith the LORD” via Robert

    Gold is definitely a wonderful commodity but it should not be used for money and given an artificially inflated value (idolatry).

  • F. Beard June 17, 2010, 3:37 pm

    “No, it can’t- Only the Treasury can issue bonds. The best that the Fed can do is request the Treasury to issue “Circulating Bonds” that would circulate and serve to compete directly with FRN’s as currency.” Robert

    Thanks Robert. Money is one complicated subject; I say waaay too complicated because of the way we implement it. Money-for-debt is inherently flawed:

    “You may charge interest to a foreigner, but to your countrymen you shall not charge interest, so that the LORD your God may bless you in all that you undertake in the land which you are about to enter to possess.” Deuteronomy 23:20

    Two questions:
    1. Do we feel blessed right now?
    2. Do we have two classes in America, the bankers and the rest of us foreigners?

    • Robert June 18, 2010, 2:18 am

      “Money is one complicated subject; I say waaay too complicated because of the way we implement it. Money-for-debt is inherently flawed”

      – We can definitely agree on that point. I find it interesting that you reference scripture, yet you call Gold barbaric:

      Genesis 2:12 And the gold of the land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.

      Haggai 2:8 The silver is mine, and the gold is mine, saith the LORD

      “You may charge interest to a foreigner, but to your countrymen you shall not charge interest, so that the LORD your God may bless you in all that you undertake in the land which you are about to enter to possess.” Deuteronomy 23:20″

      -Hmmm- this would suggest that the Fed’s current 0% interest rate policy is divinely inspired… which segue’s comfortably into Lloyd Blankfein’s crack up remark about Goldman Sach’s doing “God’s work” {shudder}

      I find it interesting that you reference scripture, yet you call Gold barbaric:

      Genesis 2:12- And the gold of the land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.

      Haggai 2:8- The silver is mine, and the gold is mine, saith the LORD

      “1. Do we feel blessed right now?”

      -Ask that question to the Wall Street execs that are steam-shovelling Billions in bonuses into their private accounts 🙂

      “2. Do we have two classes in America, the bankers and the rest of us foreigners?”

      -Undoubtedly.

  • F. Beard June 17, 2010, 1:47 pm

    “Beard, just so you know… I think you’re one heck of a character …” Benjamin

    “First they ignore you, then they laugh at you …” Mahatma Ghandi

    I’m making progress! Thanks Ben, see ya around.

  • Benjamin June 17, 2010, 6:01 am

    To Chris T,

    I twice tried to post a response to your questions yesterday, but there was an error both times and they didn’t show up. Sorry if it seemed I was ignoring ya.

    Trade: I hold/trade physical only, which I do through BullionVault. There is _none_ better. Period!

    Tax: Unfortunately, I didn’t figure in the tax on remaining value, which does change my outlook. The gains are still in place (about 30%), but should the price fall back to 800, my original investment will suffer. This is not a big problem though, as I don’t expect that big a fall any time soon. And I’m still trading, so in time I will make up for that loss. Be smart and don’t make the mistake I did, and you should be fine 🙂

    Oh, and I trade small changes in the ratio, using large amounts of metals. I’ve a lot of trouble forecasting big changes, but can always rely on smaller ones taking place, which is why I do it this way. Generally, I aim for changes of 3, then switch back, but set it up to work with as little as 2. Of course, that does take a lot of gold and silver, so unless you’re good at timing big changes, I wouldn’t recommend doing this, as marginal changes using smaller amounts simply isn’t worth it.

    Hope that answers your questions, and best of luck!

  • F. Beard June 16, 2010, 5:26 pm

    “As a gun owner, people blame me for every person shot “in the name of my right to bear arms”. Then you got other people trying to demonize me for driving the SUV that put a hole in the earth. ” Benjamin

    No Ben, keep your guns and your SUV; I am a libertarian. Use whatever you wish for money according to your conscience. As for me I consider it barbaric and immoral because I know there is at least one much better alternative, common stock.

    • Benjamin June 17, 2010, 6:06 am

      Beard, just so you know… I think you’re one heck of a character and I would love nothing more than to keep talking about this with you, but my time is a bit limited for now.

      I’ll see ya around 🙂

  • F. Beard June 16, 2010, 5:10 pm

    “So gold is immoral… I’m sorry, peasant-like… because some people decide to pollute? Well, isn’t that just great.” Benjamin

    Yes, I’m afraid it is immoral. Money can be and is implemented by mere electronic bookkeeping entries backed by the rule of law. It is to our shame that we as a society cannot implement money properly. If we go back to using gold as money, it might be an improvement over the current system but it will by no means be ideal.

    Also Ben, the hated central banks hold huge amounts of gold. Is it their fallback position if fiat fails? Let’s have liberty in money creation, usage and acceptance and I would bet everything but my soul that the price of gold would drop to its mere commodity value.

  • F. Beard June 16, 2010, 8:13 am

    “What sense does it make to even say what you did? Gold is bad because of central bankers, so gold bugs are worse than central bankers? ” Benjamin

    Well, morally speaking, it is a toss up, IMO. On one hand we have central bankers generating endless amounts of legal tender fiat and on the other hand we have folks nearly worshiping a metal that is difficult to mine and causes a large amount of environmental damage. It recently killed about a hundred people in Africa due to lead in their water supply.

    But leaving morals aside for a moment, what I meant to say is that I trust the craftiness of central bankers over the peasant-like cunning of gold-bugs. Plus, the central bankers are pushing for tax increases and reduced government spending which should produce even more deflation.

    • Benjamin June 16, 2010, 2:21 pm

      “…what I meant to say is that I trust the craftiness of central bankers over the peasant-like cunning of gold-bugs.”

      Cute. But I wasn’t merely being picky about choice of words.

      “It recently killed about a hundred people in Africa due to lead in their water supply.”

      So gold is immoral… I’m sorry, peasant-like… because some people decide to pollute? Well, isn’t that just great. As a gun owner, people blame me for every person shot “in the name of my right to bear arms”. Then you got other people trying to demonize me for driving the SUV that put a hole in the earth. Now I have to put up with people calling murderer of Africans because of what someone else did.

      Good lord… the world is full of crazies anymore. All the more reason to be a peasant, I suppose. The flagellants wouldn’t have it otherwise, besides.

  • F. Beard June 16, 2010, 8:01 am

    “I’m not sure how a stronger dollar would allow the Fed to liquidate the assets they would need to in order to buy HUGE amounts of Gold. I mean, have you seen the Fed’s balance sheet? All of the 1.2Trillion in “assets” that the Fed currently holds could not be sold on the open market at any price, and the more the value of the dollar rises, the more worthless this garbage gets…” Robert

    Well, to deflate the amount of money in circulation couldn’t the Fed simply create and sell its own bonds if it has an insufficient amount of US Treasuries? Also, who is more credit worthy than the counterfeiter in chief ? As a result, the yield on those bonds could be very low if inflation adjusted. I’m not sure how the Fed would pay the interest on those bonds accounting wise but I’m pretty sure it would find a way.

    • Robert June 17, 2010, 3:58 am

      “couldn’t the Fed simply create and sell its own bonds” ?

      No, it can’t- Only the Treasury can issue bonds. The best that the Fed can do is request the Treasury to issue “Circulating Bonds” that would circulate and serve to compete directly with FRN’s as currency.

      I’ll also point out that even this action would require a willing Congress, as the original statute of this clause ran out in 1935.

      From Section 18 of the Federal Reserve Act:

      “1. Application to Sell Bonds Securing Circulation
      After two years from the passage of this Act, and at any time during a period of twenty years thereafter, any member bank desiring to retire the whole or any part of its circulating notes, may file with the Treasurer of the United States an application to sell for its account, at par and accrued interest, United States bonds securing circulation to be retired.
      [12 USC 441. Part of original Federal Reserve Act; not amended. On March 11, 1935, the Secretary of the Treasury called for redemption on July 1, 1935, and Aug. 1, 1935, respectively, the only bonds of the United States bearing the circulating privilege after July 22, 1935, namely the 2 percent Consols of 1930 and the 2 percent Panama Canal Loan bonds of 1916-36 and 1918-38.]

  • Benjamin June 16, 2010, 1:54 am

    For the past year, I’ve been trading the ratio, and let me tell yall… So far, my gold and silver holdings, in ounces, are up a whopping ~78/54%. All of that gain was pure ratio trading, not a dime more dropped in from the get-go. Dollar value of initial investment in this method is up about 46%. Had I just bought and held over the same period though, dollar gains would’ve been about 30% for each metal, with metal holdings flat.

    So given that, I’ve decided to even it out by taking 16% profit, which, aside from being the first time I ever sold any, seems to me about a good time to drop some. Again, just buy and hold, I would not have this confidence. I would’ve been very nervous about giving up half my gains and depleting my ounces if I just bought and held, since it’s always possible for the prices to slide back 800, which would shave my initial dollar investment by 25% if that were to happen, and possibly more if a bear starts. The way it’s worked out though I’m taking home many 10Ks that I didn’t have to raid my ounces for in order to get. My metal holdings are not only still intact, they’re significantly up even after selling some. Nor am I open to the afore mentioned risk. If prices slide, then so be it. My dollar gains would only be slightly scratched into the negative should gold drop back to 800 and silver to 12 over the next five years (after which my recent profit takings will be eaten, so I’m using that as my timeline here).

    Rightly or wrongly, this, imv, helps build the case for stable summer prices as well as for long term demand/price rises. Summer consolidation? Sure, I can buy that. Drop a little bit here and there, hold the bulk for the long haul. One might even say gold will be boring this summer, with silver being it’s usual erratic self. As for the long term…

    What are the chances of so big a fall (below 800) in the next five years? Austerity and taming unrest can be tried, but try and success are two different things. See my response to Cameroni in yesterday’s RP commentary. People won’t tolerate agonizing unemployment and impoverishment for long (especially an entire continent of 700 million people) and centrally controlled economies tend to, shall we say, make life more expensive. On top of that, what of China and India? In the meantime, I won’t be selling anything more than I already have because I don’t have to, and I will continue to accquire through ratio trading as I have over the last year.

    So there it is. The plans of EU officialdom won’t work, China and India are huge and are just as concerned about Western contraction and/or default as anyone, and this “bug” is holding more than selling while still accquiring (I’m sure many others will do the same). There simply isn’t going to be any stopping this. Debt levels were ran up way too high through immense expansion of credit, and the desire to hedge vs that loss is just what we would expect of human nature.

    • Chris T. June 16, 2010, 4:40 pm

      What about the 28% capital gains on physical?
      Or was this pure paper trading whenever the ratios were as you wanted (assuming you’re talking about the 60-70 pendulum).?
      Wasn’t clear as you mentioned you still have all the physical.
      If the latter, what’s you’re low-cost way of avoiding buy/sell premiums?

  • Chris T. June 16, 2010, 12:05 am

    SDavid:

    “What is the backbone of any economy? Making things! How can a country make things efficiently without resources?”

    Well you might want ot ask the Japanese that, or the Chinese for that matter, or even the Germans. If the latter couldn’t MAKE things efficiently, no WAY could they sell anything with they gross labor costs being 2x that of the US

    So it seems that MAKING things is dependent on something else besides resources.
    Republic of Congo, Zimbabwe, they have resources, where is their efficiency?

    And the inverse logic is us, meanging US:
    We have certainly shown that we CAN’t make things efficiently with resources.
    We’re not just not making them efficiently, were just not making.
    But we’re really good at helping you divest yourself of wealth, by giving you places where you can shop til you drop, and giving you Las Vegas or Wall Street (which of course is really not much different, except that the real estate around Wall Street is (still) doing better).

  • Chris T. June 15, 2010, 11:55 pm

    Well Mr. F Beard:
    You trust in god, but you don’t trust gold. And you would trust man (a banker of all things in creation) more than gold.

    Who do you think put gold on this earth of ours? True, he also put man here, but he also gave us the liberty to be tempted, and if there is a group of men out there that have taken that offering, its the bankers.

    In gold, God just gave us a unique thing, no more, no less. You’re free to accept or reject, but it is his work.

    What makes it unique? Other than its chemical/physical properties of being virtually corrosion free, of being one of the few elements which can occur as free elements in nature, of having a unique color all its own, it is this (and here I quote an expert on the subject, Dr. Fekete):

    “…[T]he marginal utility of gold declines more slowly than that of any commodity (or a basket of any commodities) known to man.”
    That is a property more valuable to us than its physical property, and why the wisdom of ages long ago discovered gold to be the premier monetary metal/commodity.
    You do not understand real monetaryt theory, or what money is (b.ecause you believe that man can create that thing at will)

    The other feature of gold that makes it unique, next to its marginal-utility curve’s slope is this:

    “Gold is not scarce. In terms of its stocks-to-flows ratio gold is the most abundant substance on earth.” (again Dr. Fekete).

    Not for nothing are this metal’s derivatives the highest volume trading of all on a p.a. basis.

    To bad you do not understand, or rather, thanks, because this will allow those of us who do, to get some more reasonably.

    • Robert June 16, 2010, 3:28 am

      That was a great post, Chris… {thumbsup}

    • F. Beard June 16, 2010, 2:48 pm

      “Who do you think put gold on this earth of ours? True, he also put man here, but he also gave us the liberty to be tempted, and if there is a group of men out there that have taken that offering, its the bankers.” Chris T

      Gold is for barbarians. Now, we may be barbarians so it is wise to hold some gold. God (capital G, please) gave us a brain, an imagination and a moral sense. I predict that those who use those qualities will do better than those who value a metal over them.

  • 3Lions June 15, 2010, 7:16 pm

    Mr.SDavid,

    I do not know what nationality you are and I can’t speak for the other countries that you mention but as far as Great Britain is concerned you might like to note that a Brit invented the internet, a Brit [Baird] sent the first tv signal, a Brit [Fleming] discovered penicillin, a Brit [Bell] invented the telephone, a Brit [Mrs.Thatcher with her handbag] demolished the Berlin Wall with Reagan and Gorbachev, Brits invented cricket and within 15 years 20/20 cricket will be the biggest team sport in the world, the Brits invented Rugby, invented football [the one you kick] and the biggest sporting event in the world the football world cup is taking place at the moment. I could go on but that is not point of this comments section.

    Actually I can speak for Germany. Anybody who thinks that Germany has nothing to offer the world is a prize pratt; the biggest exporter on planet earth for years!!!!

    Rick – where are you getting these people from? Have you started giving out free subscriptions with washing powder at WalMart?

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    All reminders of why our “special relationship” exists… RA

  • C.C. June 15, 2010, 6:27 pm

    Rich –

    “It may take until October or August for Central Banks to put their feet on the accelerator again.”

    And:

    “…then realizing there is an election this Fall. Then it may be off to the giant slalom economy…”

    Those are the Only (2) points that anyone should be paying attention to, because the final outcome of all this is – Political.

    It’s been mentioned many times before by those far wiser than me, that the Politics-of-the-Day, Rule the Day.

    And the Politics of this nation today are:

    No Pain – at any price.

    Evidence?

    Flash back to 2001 – shortly after the ‘event’. What was it that was implored by our then-leader?

    “Go to the mall…”

    And it’s a safe bet to assume that consumerism/debt-based, pay-it-off-later, instant-gratification mentality had been in place Long before GW uttered the famous phrase.

    There is No Way in Bloody Hell, that this administration, the Treasury Dept. and the Federal Reserve, are going to stand idly by while liquidity turns into Lake Chad.

    Oh, they may be doing it now – because from a public-pereption standpoint, they Have To. But they have their hands on the levers, and whether or not the machinations of those levers become visible to the public, government liquidity is going to find its way back into this market in a big way, more likely than not, sooner than later.

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    Ah, you inflationists! Won’t you ever get it? Other than the banks themselves, there have been no private-sector takers so far for $14 trillion of borrowable money. So you can forget loan stimulus. On the fiscal side, knowing where their money has been going, taxpayers are already ready to puke. “Sooner or later” is looking more and more like “never”. RA

  • Mercurious June 15, 2010, 6:13 pm

    Sorry to post this today on yesterday’s topic, but Rick has taken a lot of flak for actually having the unalloyed nerve to suggest things might be worse than BP has painted the picture. Wow, that’s a real stretch, huh? For those who want to go the Full Monty in that direction…or perhaps are just open-minded enough to contemplate some of the darker possibilities…feel free to peruse http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=19724. I say again: For a species that looks at an environmental mega-catastrophe as a cost of doing business, I seriously wonder if we haven’t reached End Game for us.

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    Here are a couple more links that we can all pray have their facts very wrong. Read these stories only if you dare; they are not for the squeamish:

    http://www.opednews.com/articles/B-P-Halliburton-and-Trans-by-Chris-Landau-100611-452.html

    http://beforeitsnews.com/story/76/057/Scientists_Warn_Gulf_Of_Mexico_Sea_Floor_Fractured_Beyond_Repair.html

  • Rich June 15, 2010, 4:28 pm

    PS Re UK not offering the world much, they own 40% of BP, Beyond Petroleum, the world’s third largest energy company and fourth largest company.
    US shareholders own 39% of BP. BP owns Amoco, Arco, Standard Oil of Indiana and Ohio, and half of TNK-BP, Russia’s third largest oil company. With TNK, BP has a tiger by the tail with all the Russian intrigues. BP still does business with Iran, 90% to BP and 10% to the Ayatollahs.
    BP Amoco was rated the top petroleum brand in the USA 16 years. BP destroyed its Clean Green brand sunshine logo with the oil spill, so a change of name may be in the future.
    BP wants out of the US retail market due to American government red tape and taxes chafing the bottom line. BP closed corporate BP Connect gasoline stations as fast as it could, rebranding them as Conoco in Colorado or selling them to local jobbers in the South.
    Unlikely BP missing a bet to open up natural gas and engine stations again like T Boone Pickens with CLNE up almost 7x, or WPRT up 20x.
    BP, the UK’s largest corporation, funds 14% of all UK dividends and pensions. Cutting the 11% BP dividend today to fund US and White House political wet dreams for the Kenyan and Co may be a non-starter.
    BP had revenues up to a billion dollars a day in recent years. Deep pockets that can overlook a year’s lost income and bad PR might be interested. The 50% cut in market cap in 50 days discounting bankruptcy or re-nationalization may be overdoing it.
    Kuwait made a run at BP that was rebuffed.
    Maybe this time they will succeed in this Brave New World of Eco and Financial terrorism…

  • Dave Lang June 15, 2010, 4:20 pm
  • Rich June 15, 2010, 3:28 pm

    Once again Rick nails it with gold and stocks. It may take until October or August for Central Banks to put their feet on the accelerator again.
    Been posting since December gold may not go anywhere with various money supplies deflating or slowing. Gold may indeed be the plaything of Central Bankers as F Beard suggests.
    GDX PnF currently 37 and we are selling strength.
    Re the world economy, we would hardly count Germany out as the world’s second largest exporter since the reunion of East and West Germany. 37 of the largest global companies are German, including Volkswagen, last year for a while the world’s largest auto company due to Porsche-Audi stock acquisitions. Anyone who doubts German engineering and marketing prowess might do well to drive the hot clean VW Jetta TDI Sportwagen getting 50 mpg highway and high-torque acceleration without battery hybrid power.
    Re Britain and France, a stint at Oxford confirmed they still set the world tone in clandestine services, diplomacy and policy, Bilderbergers and Roundtable included.
    Re NYT, Carlos Slim quadrupled his money despite their left-wing slant and they have internet properties quickly becoming major ad revenue sources, unlike WaPost choking on Newsweek. Meanwhile Mayor Bloomberg cleans up with Businessweek et al reporting the invarnished truth about government fiscal insanity and running a Bear’s Head on their cover last week.
    We have CBOE and GM to bring to market, so a contrary rally is not out of the question.
    Re Greece, their economic troubles are smaller than California, and therein lies the rub. O may have goosed the economy a few days with his $50 Billion bailout of 46 crumbling States, after at first telling CA to drop dead, then realizing there is an election this Fall.
    Then it may be off to the giant slalom economy…

  • nitram June 15, 2010, 1:11 pm

    If one is really bullish on gold overlap GLD with BP. Even better overlap spx500 with BP. I say hold on tight to those t- bills for a buying opportunity

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    It sounds like you may have something to say, “nitram.” Could you be a lot less cryptic about it? RA

  • SDavid June 15, 2010, 3:24 am

    What, exactly, do Britain, France and Germany have to offer our world?

    Germany? They import pretty much everything when it comes to natural resources, seeing as they have long since used up everything they once had.

    France and England? Same thing.

    Who cares what these three countries do?

    As for Greece, the last time I checked, it was a nice place to visit and that was about it. What is Greece to the world’s GDP, anyway?

    The EU is looking at tough measures because they have been reduced to nothing more than service economies. They really don’t have a lot to offer the world these days other than an over-inflated service sector and a work force that needs to import raw materials from somewhere else. And by the time those raw materials make their way through middlemen, actuaries, accountants, and companies top-heavy with managerial staff ….. how can they compete, and why do we spend so much time worrying about it?

    What is the backbone of any economy? Making things! How can a country make things efficiently without resources?

    For better or worse, times are changing.

    It’s not a matter of liking or hating it.

    It’s a matter of dealing with it.

    • Benjamin June 16, 2010, 2:15 am

      “What is the backbone of any economy? Making things! How can a country make things efficiently without resources?”

      Labor is a service that provides all things, thus all economies are service economies. How countries make things without resources is simple… They make things from the resources they receive. Give me your resources, and I’ll make the stuff. Division of labor. It works!

  • 3Lions June 15, 2010, 2:01 am

    This is like being in Dr.Who’s TARDIS [Time and Relative Dimension in Space]. On Monday we were attempting to plug a hole in the earth’s crust alongside BP that has the potential to open the gates of hell. On Tuesday our TARDIS whisks us off to Wall St. presumably to help plug the holes in Cramer’s brain. There is of course more chance of success with the former.

    A $75 rise in the price of gold over a few days is hardly worth Cramer exerting pressure on those few brain cells that hold the holes together when the Dow recently descended 1000 points in 10 minutes. The Warrant Report [I think it was that publication] predicts $10,000 for gold within 18 months so anyone who doubts we are in for 3 months of summer tedium generally in the markets need only examine all these wild or boring predictions that suggest that there are a lot of people in “finance world” with not much to do.

    FWIW Charlie Nenner is going to short gold soon when it drops below $1200.

    Nenner v Cramer – I doubt William Hill are even taking bets on that match up.

  • keith June 15, 2010, 1:59 am

    gold yes, but what about the decaying gold stocks?

    • Robert June 16, 2010, 4:05 am

      The Gold stocks (actually all mining stocks) hinge on unemployment…

      eventually the politicians are going to be so deparate to ge their constituents back to work that they are going to realize that breaking rocks is not bad work (especially when compared to no work)

      Making profit requires “buying low”… if you are not building a position in mining companies then you must be anticipating that the jobs necessary to put 15+ Million American blue collar workers back on the payroll will miraculously appear in some other sector, yes?

      Perhaps they will all become government desk jockies making 71k per year on average… ?

  • F. Beard June 15, 2010, 1:11 am

    Gold IS a barbaric relic despite the fact that the hated Keynes said so. So are we barbaric or not? I say the hated central bankers will deflate the currency when they wish and buy huge amounts of gold to reflate the economy with FRNs, a win-win for them. It will serve the gold-bugs right to trust in a metal.

    I trust in God and liberty but truthfully I’d trust a modern central banker more than I’d trust a gold-bug.

    • Benjamin June 16, 2010, 2:08 am

      “I trust in God and liberty but truthfully I’d trust a modern central banker more than I’d trust a gold-bug.”

      What sense does it make to even say what you did? Gold is bad because of central bankers, so gold bugs are worse than central bankers? Sheeze… I had no idea my influence was so corrupting!

    • Robert June 16, 2010, 3:58 am

      F. Beard-
      Not sure what you mean by “deflating” the currency-

      I’m assuming you mean reducing the money supply, and therefore strengthening the dollar’s purchasing power. The result of which should be a relaxation in the pricing levels (less money chasing more goods)… yes?

      -However-

      I’m not sure how a stronger dollar would allow the Fed to liquidate the assets they would need to in order to buy HUGE amounts of Gold. I mean, have you seen the Fed’s balance sheet? All of the 1.2Trillion in “assets” that the Fed currently holds could not be sold on the open market at any price, and the more the value of the dollar rises, the more worthless this garbage gets…

      So, the only way the Fed could raise the cash to buy HUGE amounts of Gold would be by printing it.

      Or, maybe by “deflate the currency” you actually mean DEPRECIATE the currency by increasing the money supply in order to buy huge amounts of Gold?

      And again, this scenario would be bearish for Gold how, exactly?

      The easiest way to position yourself for inflation/deflation is to hold assets in cash, assets in real goods (like guns and fishing poles), and assets in Gold.

      If inflation sets in, then your real goods and Gold will take care of you. If deflation kicks in, then your real goods and cash will take care of you…

      But name me a scenario (inflation or deflation) where you expect your portfolio of toxic paper derivatives and insurance policies to take care of you?

    • Benjamin June 16, 2010, 8:19 am

      @Robert…”So, the only way the Fed could raise the cash to buy HUGE amounts of Gold would be by printing it.”

      But here’s the thing… How many holders would sell or sell enough? My situation is that I have no debt and I live modestly. Of course, I can’t speak for every gold bug, but generally they appreciate those same virtues. So I don’t see that the Fed would win much by this tactic. Besides, we bugs are hardly the majority of holders of all known above-ground gold.

      The only thing I can think of is mining companies selling for FRNs, which has been done over the years. And we know that can’t last forever, what with only so much in the ground and only so much debt burden able to be borne by creating so much credit. Selling would dry up because mining would dry up, seeing as how gold is so expensive to extract (and we need to eat more than have gold).

      It’s worth pointing out, however, that if they publicly said they were printing money for gold… That would be like saying currencies are backed by gold again. Which is what they certainly don’t want because then they couldn’t really print as much as needed. Selling would shrink because sellers would realize that they can’t their gold back on the same or better terms. ie Gold would be in charge, would be the value, would be calling the shots…not central bankers and their money.

      That may sound bearish for gold, but it isn’t. It’s bearish for currencies. They simply wouldn’t be able to keep the game going that way. On the other hand too, with all the debt that can be defaulted on, demand for gold is going to remain high.

    • Peter T June 17, 2010, 2:44 am

      F.Beard… looks like you are going to learn the hard way, then…. Incidentally, you have an extraordinarily shallow and limited world-view, not to mention a belief system that spouts slogans at the expense of well-rounded analysis. Fear not, the gold-bugs will indeed be thoroughly vindicated.

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      I’ve rather enjoyed F. Beard’s posts myself and certainly don’t consider him shallow. RA