Even Hindenburg Omen Is Right Sometimes

The Hindenburg Omen is once again predicting a stock market crash, and we don’t know whether to ignore it and relax because (even) the Wall Street Journal has picked up on it this time, or to instead batten the hatches because sometimes even lousy indicators can be right. Over time, the indicator, invented by a blind mathematician named Jim Miekka, has compiled an unimpressive track record. While virtually every crash since 1987 has indeed been signaled by the Omen, there have been so many false signals that the indicator’s overall accuracy has been a dismal 25 percent.  Now, according to Miekka, the Omen is signaling a crash in September, having registered two key statistical events. For one, NYSE highs and lows both exceeded 2.5%; and for two, a rising 10-week moving average for the NYSE diverged relative to a negative McClellan Oscillator.

If the Hindenburg Indicator proves correct, a 3000-point fall in the Dow looks about right

The Journal had no trouble rounding up the usual skeptics to comment on the voodoo aspects of an indicator that takes its name from the fatal and still-unexplained 1937 explosion of a German passenger airship docked at Lakehurst (NJ) Naval Air Station. Thirty-six people died, including 35 people of the 97 people who were on board, and the cause of the fire was never determined. “We always love good conspiracy theories,” market strategist Joseph Battipaglia told the Journal. “I for one dismiss all these things because they usually erupt most numerously during bear markets.”  Well, at least Battipaglia seems to be acknowledging that stocks are in a bear market. Many in his and the Wall Street Journal’s line of business – i.e., telling the public what it wants to hear about the economy — have yet to accept that all of those “green shoots” that supposedly were springing up a little more than a year ago were just hallucinations. For the hard-core optimists, the stock market’s weakness over the last three years, including the Dow’s horrific, 7728-point plunge from the October 2007 high, has been a mere correction in a long-term bull market begun in August 1982.

When ‘Everyone’ Is Right

What do we think about this latest Hindenburg signal? Not much, even though we do believe that a major crash is long overdue.  Still, we’re on record from a couple of months ago predicting a boring summer, and that has so far been the case.  Granted, that’s just dog-bites-man fare in the forecasting world, much like predictions of crashes in early autumn are the only game in town come Labor Day. Sometimes, though, the canny contrarian has to allow for the possibility that “everyone” – i.e., the multitudes who are expecting an autumn crash – will be right for a change. Will this be the year of the October un-surprise?  Perhaps.  For all we know, the crash may already have begun with last Wednesday’s 260-point fall.

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  • Bill August 23, 2010, 2:20 am

    Rick The Hindenberg Omen is about 40% accurate if you also use the times the market was down 15% after the numbers hit. Check it out. Bill

  • Robert August 21, 2010, 3:15 pm

    That was a great READ on the H-Omen. Nice job! Its true that they are low on accuracy since they occur without crashes so often too, but I am told that if you get three H-Omens (with the NYSE making new highs & new lows being equall) in 1 month…it works. Not sure here, but regardless of that, Gold stocks are moving up, volume is increasing especially in juniors finally ( GBG, AZK, RBY,etc) and NO ONE main-stream noticed yet. Actually most feel GOLD is overbought. Contrarian says, buy these pull backs. nice Article Rick

  • Other Paul August 17, 2010, 12:04 am

    The US Gov’t and Fed’s financial solutions to maintaining and increasing the welfare/warfare state have been slow and steady:
    1. Increase in the supply of money/credit
    2. Depreciation of the dollar
    3. Increase in the national debt.

    Disruptions in 1,2, or 3 threaten:
    4. The USD as the world’s currency for international trade and “reserve” currency
    5. The US having the best military
    6. The Treasury selling debt and repaying in USDs.

    Slow and steady would not be the words that I would now use for #1 and #3. When #2 goes “south,” #4 through #6 won’t be far behind.

    Some would say that #2 is already “way south” when compared to Gold. I won’t disagree with that logic.

  • Chris T. August 16, 2010, 9:29 pm

    “…Gasoline, Big Macs, F-150s,GOLD,others down in deflation” (Keith)
    “… the quadrillion-dollar value of the financial-asset deflation currently in progress.” (RA)

    The humongous assets Rick refers to lie above cash, US bills/bonds, etc on Exter’s pyramid, and will crash down on depreciate rel. to bills/bonds and cash (=deflate).
    But lumping gold in with other consumables, as Keith does, is wrong, no matter what happens to cash rel to these consumbles, because in the pyramid layering-down, gold is at the bottom and will appreciate.

    • The Mad Ape August 18, 2010, 8:36 pm

      “Gasoline, Big Macs, F-150s,GOLD,others down in deflation”

      … I have been writing about this for damn near 3 years.

  • Jeff Kahn August 16, 2010, 8:56 pm

    Actually, my daughter watches Mythbusters, and they did explain the Hindenburgh disaster on one episode. (I watched it with her. It was pretty cool.)

  • JohnJay August 16, 2010, 8:23 pm

    As I’ve argued before, you can create your own deflation if you shop around or your own inflation if you don’t.
    All the grocery stores here in the Los Angeles area have weekly mailings with dueling food prices.
    If you stock up on items you use a lot when they are on sale, voila deflation.
    I have a friend who could afford new cars but won’t spend more than $5,000 on a automobile.
    He just bought a pristine 1993 Lincon Mark VIII with 30,000 miles on it from a “little old Lady” for $4500.
    Is it worth spending $40,000 on new car if you have a choice about it? Especially when the State of California sales tax is about 10% and registration is 1.15% of the cars value, not to mention comprehensive insurance on a new car?
    Some things you have no choice but to pay the going price, gasoline, utilities, etc.
    You can live in a world of deflation to a greater or lesser degree with some spending discipline.

  • Keith August 16, 2010, 6:20 pm

    It seems we all have our biased facts and figures to prove or disprove inflation-deflation. The honest truth IMO is it’s still up in the air who will win the day. We are in some sort of limbo at the moment with the stock market UP, gold UP, commodities UP, heath care UP, housing not too shabby.

    Rick makes a good point about the housing market. Inflation won’t save the mortgage market until it’s too late. But, really who really believes the housing market it going to be strong even if we see modest inflation? Very, very few as per my observation.

    So it comes down to this… It all depends on where you are on the food chain. I don’t own a house- I rent. My view of inflation has nothing to do with the housing market because it doesn’t effect me in the least.

    For the deflationist to be right in my own little world a few things have to happen.

    1- Gasoline below $2.00 a gallon
    2- Instead of $3.74 for a big mac I can buy the whole meal with fries and a drink for $2.99
    3- A brand new loaded F-150 for 24K
    4- Gold at $400 and I can afford to buy supplies at Home Depot for a project I want to build. Lumber, drywall, nails, ect.
    5- Many other things.

    What do all these have in common? It’s what I was paying back in the late 90’s early 00’s. If deflation is true then these things must come back down to pre-bubble price era. If they don’t, then sorry, I don’t see deflation. Simply a temporary correction at best.

    &&&&&&

    However long your list of grocery store inflatables may stretch, you can multiply the aggregate dollar amount by a hundred thousand and it still won’t be a blip compared to the quadrillion-dollar value of the financial-asset deflation currently in progress. I have made this point here a hundred times but it apparently has yet to sink in. RA

    • Steve August 16, 2010, 6:48 pm

      Funny isn’t it – the argument. I was better off in 1971, at 21 years of age, paying very little in federal tax, super public services, good roads, etc, with R.C toys, and me the only spouse with a job – $500.00 salary, with a little parts commission.

      I am worse off today, seeing 50% tax that does not pay off the federal debt with the government saying Look What I can do for YOU – as long as you are ILLEGAL.

    • Steve August 16, 2010, 6:55 pm

      What would be Lawful:

      17 cent gasoline
      1.00 a day to heat your home
      house paid for in 7 years
      corporations paying all the taxes
      people buying from the corporations that are honest
      no term limits because bums and progressives are shunned as radical terrorists
      honest accounting
      and a silver Specie Coin Dollar to Extinguish the debt

      My dad, rest his soul, said the money is the problem, and he appears to be smarter than nearly all.

      Oh ! And the American Culture instead of some latino-afro-[hybrid] american. Come one, come all – be part – but stop tearing us apart because you support illegal immigration, and illegal everything including criminal accounting standards.

  • C.C. August 16, 2010, 5:32 pm

    There’s a 100% chance of an election on Nov. 2

    There’s likely a 100% chance that the ruling party would like to at least maintain a majority.

    There’s a (better than 50/50?) chance that the Treasury dept./Federal Reserve will do what is Politically Expedient to ensure the ‘recovery’ doesn’t un-recover enough to cause a major wipe-out this Fall – likely before the election.

    And to those that say a ‘major change’ is coming with these elections – ‘clean house’, ‘no more bailouts’, etc…

    What do you think the reaction would be in the Joe Q. Public hinterlands, if the market was to take a precipitous drop/s say 2500 points or so over a short period?

    My bet is, no matter if they’re Demo or Repub, the pitchforks would be out for the government to ‘Do Something’, no? Isn’t that how our 3-second, sound-bite oriented, have-it-now society has been conditioned to respond?

    And what would that ‘Do Something’ be, other than to do what worked last time?

    They’re (the Fed) simply waiting this out. No major action is going to be taken until (Political) Public Sentiment gives them the green light. They are fully aware of the sentiment right now, but they are also aware of just how Soft, Gullible, Short-sighted and easily influenced most Americans are – especially in a panic…

    It’s going to happen. You Know it’s going to happen. Only a matter of how they gauge the pain (unemployment numbers? Housing mis-starts?), that moves them to pull the lever of liquidity, under the auspice of economic security/necessity.

    &&&&&&

    My vote for most tiresome, unpersuasive line of argument, this notion that the Fed and our brilliantly clever, omnipotent political class “won’t let it happen.” It already HAS happened. RA

  • gary leibowitz August 16, 2010, 4:32 pm

    While true there is only a 25 percent chance of a crash, there is an 80 percent chance of a 10 percent drop in the next 2 months.

    I’ll take it!

  • Steve August 16, 2010, 4:18 pm

    One can only push on a string so far.

    Socially, there is a great difference between taking on debt one cannot afford, and having the government force one to take on debt that can never be repaid. The consequences of forcing someone do something versus seeing someone do what they want are extreme.

    Any stimulus plan is compelled debt. The run up to the market top was greed. Greed still rules the markets. The only appearing fear is of missing the new bull. The majority appear to be anxious about timing the correction. What will the people feel when they finally accept that congress has forced the people into a debt that can never be repaid ? And, what of the parent when they realize the get of their grandchild is a SLAVE to congress?

    One can hope there is no such thing as the “Laws of Nature”. One can hope that the cycles of money ended with the Banking Act of 1913. One can hope that P/E ratios of 30 to 1 are the new way of things. One can hope the people will continue to vote for Obama democracy. One can hope that despotism and tyranny as the definitions of democracy are good things. One always can live in hope.

    I’m too old not to be afraid of rattle snakes.

  • jj August 16, 2010, 3:45 pm

    QE 2-3-4 to infinity, question for those that believe in the PPTeam, market manipulators, to pass yet another huge stimulas wouldn’t the markets selling off hard be an easier background for selling the print more debt, reflate or die con job part2 ?

    Who’s driving the Hindenburg…..

  • mojine August 16, 2010, 2:43 pm

    Remember, there has to be at LEAST one additional omen in a 36 day period for confirmation. At that point there is a 77% chance of a drop of at least 5%. The 25% figure refers to a real crash, and that is still a serious risk.

    • mario cavolo August 16, 2010, 5:06 pm

      Hi mojine, picking up on some word choices here…. I read and read and read all the good and all the bad and I still don’t see where, how and why a “real crash” is a “serious risk”.

      American corporations are flush with cash, the market is not insanely overbought by any longterm historical measure, interest rates are low, a time when market’s done historically ever crash….tell me when they did under these conditions. In China, there is more cash than in all the rest of the universe. In America, 20 million Americans are under/unemployed, but 40 million Americans are richer than ever and out spending it.

      I understand the underlying destruction/damage to the financial system argument. The entire whole freaki’n thing is ruined beyond repair, beyond payback, a false house of cards, etc. And that’s why over time currencies will continue buying less and less and less per dollar. Is that deflation?

      Looking at the longterm monthly charts, the S&P index, for example, just again popped back above the monthly 20 period EMA…that’s a very well understood long-term indicator and it just turned bullish. Its not way overbought, NOTHING is way overbought right now, earnings are not in doldrums of hell and interest rates are going to stay low so the game that will remain active enough in that environment is equities. But does that all assume that the S&P will go to 2000, gold to 3000, but prices will also double and so a dollar buys half of what it can buy now?

      I remain massively confused on the inflation/deflation argument. If a unit of currency buys less and less, not more, that’s inflation, isn’t it? If money supply is shrinking that’s deflation? If both at the same time, that’s stagflation?….My high IQ brain reads perfect arguments in both camps, Wayalat is spot on, so is Rick’s view, diametrically opposed, and I’m just freakin’ exhausted.

      Cheers, Mario

    • Steve August 16, 2010, 5:39 pm

      Mario,

      Are corporations really flush with cash ? Or, is GM, Bank of America just using accounting schemes like they have in the past to show profit and cash on hand that does not exist ?

      I have written about B of A before in real terms. B of A. shows 680,000.00 book asset in the house to the west of me. Real value of the property is under 280,000.00. If B of A is showing you cash on hand of 300,000.00 there is still a sucking sound of 100k.

      Things could change from real 25% unemployment – like everyone gets a government job. Yet; that is the problem – government jobs are a drag creating more debt. Government is hiring, who is paying ?

      GM has cooked the books forever. The U.S. government cooks the book on actual debt.

      Inflation / Deflation – Everything is overvalued, and there are not enough assets to pay the debt. What happens to the debt, when it is impossible to pay off ? Short term anything is possible, long term Nature will cure imbalance. Quid Pro Quo – 1 Dollar = 1 federal reserve note – Natural Balance – How do we get there?

    • Robert August 16, 2010, 5:46 pm

      “If a unit of currency buys less and less, not more, that’s inflation, isn’t it? If money supply is shrinking that’s deflation? ”

      Mario- you’ve got to look outside the stats a little bit…

      M2 Money Supply (circulation) is shrinking, which people take to mean that the money is being used to pay down debt (which I’m sure it is), but there is also a hidden, non statistical component, and that is the amount of cash being taken “out of the system” and hoarded by anti-government “Super Patriots” on the far right, and by anti-government drug dealers on the far left…

      Now, take a look at the posts above about the prices of Big Macs and Pork bellies – few could argue that, even though a dollar buys a larger percentage of a luxury RV or Sport Yacht, a dollar is simultaneously buying a (much) smaller percentage of a Big Mac, or a package of bacon…

      Image over substance- I guess a lot of really skinny, starving people rolling in their Benz’s still presents the glitz of a rising standard of living, eh?

  • Chris T. August 16, 2010, 2:07 pm

    sorry, meant SHS of course…

  • Chris T. August 16, 2010, 2:07 pm

    Rick,

    Is that a HSH being completed over the last six months or so?
    While that doesn’t point to 7000, if we get there, is that then a HSH built ’98-’10, even with the 18mo right shoulder vs. the 60mo left?

    Just wondering.
    BTW, while delayed, that 10719 was right on?!

  • Tom Paine August 16, 2010, 1:31 pm

    There are no crystal balls, and it seems the most we can get out of a Hindenburg omen is that there is about a 25% chance of a crash coming, but probably it is just statistically meaningless. Certainly there are fundamental reasons to think that a significant decline could very well be coming, but will it?

    There are too many things that we cannot predict to really know, mainly: what will the F’ed do? Or, perhaps more unpredictable: what will the consequences be?

    Here’s my answer to the first question in the form of a song to the tune of an Ozzie Osborne song. You have to imagine Bernanke in leather britches, now…

    (Starts with Randy Rhoads pyrotechnics)

    Crazy, but that’s how it goes
    Millions of people with financial woe-o-o-o-s
    Maybe, it’s not too late
    To crank up the presses and really infla-e-a-e-ate

    Stock markets not healing
    Driving me insane
    I’m going off the rails on the QE train…

    • Robert August 16, 2010, 5:28 pm

      That was awesome. I love that song

  • Keith August 16, 2010, 5:38 am

    Nope, just not buying it. Remember what our friend Chuck Cohen said? I’m pretty darn bullish right now.

    As a side note: I had the munchies tonight so I went to McDonalds and bought a single big mac. $3.74. This deflation is really hurting me.

    • Rick August 16, 2010, 5:50 am

      Big Macs’ll kill ya worse than any deflation.

    • Steve August 16, 2010, 5:19 pm

      In real terms Keith, how does the real value of your home reflect inflation ? How about the real value of Bank of America ? Does the $3.74 Big Mac reflect the real value of McDonalds if one uses honest accounting?

      The cost to manufacture my product increased 300% in 5 years. I toed the line and did not increase the retail price for the five years. Finally, I was not selling much and raised the prices to where they should be, maybe the $3.74 Big Mac. Now my prices are where they should be, my gross profit line where it should be, and my net has tanked into the pit of hell. I have cut expenses for 3 years now. I will not be buying Big Mac.

      The good news is, I’m taking some work in today. My cost to manufacture was $1800.00 a month ago, and this one is going to cost $900.0o. On the other hand, my net is still in the pit of hell because of no volume – there just isn’t enough credit for people.

    • Robert August 16, 2010, 5:24 pm

      I’m particularly enjoying the deflation in Cocoa, Sugar, Wheat, and Pork Bellies… 🙂

      However, the “dis-inflation” in boats, RV’s, and Off Road vehicles has me thinking about going out and burning up a lot of this cheap gasoline.

      CPI is a lie- all you need to do is take a trip through the grocery store and jot down some prices on non-CPI items and compare them to a year ago, and then run across the parking lot to Toys-R-Us and jot down some prices of CPI included items and you will soon realize that the majority of things included in the US CPI are not even made here.

  • Rich August 16, 2010, 3:17 am

    “For all we know, the crash may already have begun with last Wednesday’s 260-point fall.”

    Indeed…

  • FranSix August 16, 2010, 12:41 am

    If we are going to re-enter the bear market from (b) to (c) wave, then the decline will seem like the stock market crash is happening now, where it actually took place 2008.

    Look at some of the P/E ratios on your gold producing company, they’ll have an astronomical ~50-60 P/E. Stocks which are overvalued like this will get hit pretty hard.

    This will be no different than other companies which benefitted from the boom 2003 – 2007 and subsequently collapsed.