Will a Weak Dollar Do Us Any Good?

[All hell broke loose in the Rick’s Picks forum yesterday after Mario Cavolo, an unapologetic optimist who tends to see the glass as three-quarters full, let fly with the rosiest pronouncements we’ve heard so far on a U.S. dollar that has been sinking in value for nearly ten years.  “So okay then,” wrote Mario. “We’ll devalue the dollar and a few years later, when U.S. assets are more and more attractively cheap, the money and investment and growth will start to flow back in.”  This was just too much for Robert Moore, an intrepid blogger and occasional guest essayist on this page. Mario’s entire post can be found by clicking here. Below is Robert’s responseRA]

And how exactly does a weakening currency result in more attractive domestic prices? Or, are you suggesting that as the currency weakens that it will mean stronger U.S. exports, and therefore greater domestic growth? if so, then how, exactly, will these miraculous exports be manufactured?  The cynic in me says that the U.S. will have to hit a very deep and rocky bottom before manufacturing and the ability to export the surplus ever returns to these shores. Our manufacturing infrastructure is decomposing, our labor rate to productivity ratios are the most God-awful on the entire planet (they are now even worse than the UK’s, and that is really saying something), and, as Wisconsin demonstrates, the people in this country still seem to feel that they are entitled to a six-figure gross income in exchange for doing manual labor that requires no more than 200 hours of vocational school training to qualify for. 

We are a long way from Mario’s utopian renaissance. However, I do agree that at some point, the “genius” target of Mario’s man-crush will succeed in devaluing the dollar past a heretofore unknown/unseen inflection point where foreign dollar holders, no longer able to trade dollars for oil or local currencies, will instead repatriate these dollars back onto U.S. shores. The result will not be real growth in the U.S. economy or increasing real incomes for American citizens. The result will be unreal nominal growth in American prices.

I firmly contend that the global repudiation of the dollar which is just now getting under way will end up yielding a domestic repudiation of the dollar within the next 5-10 years. There are simply too many dollars in global supply for this not to come to pass. And I know you are all thinking, But what about the Fed soaking the excess supply back up by raising interest rates?  Really? Look what a measly 125 basis-point increase in the prime lending rate did to our housing market in 2007.  What do you think a real increase of 500-800 basis points will do to our economy? Now consider what a Paul Vockerian 1000-2000 basis point increase would do. I don’t think I even have to mention what a five percent increase would do the ability of the Government to service our existing debt, not to mention all the new debt that emerges from year-over-year budget deficits.

Dollar Is Finished

Here’s a hint:  It wouldn’t stimulate our manufacturing and exporting machine, that’s for damn sure.  Simply put, the dollar is finished as a valid measure of qualified economic capital. Finished. The game is over, even thought there still seem to be a lot of players on the field thinking that if they pick up the ball and run for the goal that they will make a difference on the scoreboard.

Basic, untenable economic facts: 1) The dollar is a measurement of debt;  therefore the supply of dollars indicates the supply of unpaid debt; 2) all debts must either be paid in full, or defaulted on. The U.S. money masters can only have one real goal in mind, and that is to keep the dollar on life support long enough for the Chinese real estate market to implode, and for Chinese price inflation to hammer the underprivileged hard enough for the “Egyptian effect” to hit Shanghai.

I am convinced that there is a metric. I don’t know if it is a pre-conceived dollar level on the DXY, or if it is some level of backwardation in the Gold market, but I do know that when that metric (whatever it is) is reached, there will be a statement by Bernanke (that is probably already prepared) to Congress where he makes the soft “observation” that Gold “seems” to be acting more like a global currency than simply as an input commodity to the jewelry industry.  And that will be quite a day.

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  • roger erickson March 2, 2011, 4:39 am

    given there’s STILL confusion over the effect of QE on mks & $US Fx rates, here are two more key comments

    1) reminder that bank lending is NOT affected by reserves
    see: “QE Isn’t Adding Liquidity To The Market”
    http://www.businessinsider.com/john-hussman-shreds-the-myth-that-qe-is-adding-more-liquidity-to-the-market-2011-2

    2) when the FED says it’s “buying Treasuries”, you still have to ask “from whom?”
    http://moslereconomics.com/2011/02/28/central-bankers-comment-on-qe/
    [ a) the FED/Primary-Dealers must buy {& often resell} as many Treasuries as Congress wants to spend, regularly, by law; that’s the normal part;
    b) QE = FEDs buying back specific-ranges {say, 10 year bonds} of existing Treasuries FROM Primary Dealers, at whatever level convinces them to sell;
    all this does is pump even more capital into banks; partly to protect them from ongoing mortgage losses, & partly in the “hope” that they’ll be forced to do other things with their cash reserves; (no sign of that yet anyway, since there are few profitable options for now-finally-conservative banks)
    ]

    What’s that all got to do with private investors? Well, roughly nothing. Much ado about nothing – just a lot of confusion stemming from not reading the FED fine print (which even the FED itself doesn’t seem to understand anyway).

    You can’t make this stuff up.

  • A. Rand Fan February 26, 2011, 10:18 pm

    Great essay and additional comments Robert. Thanks to Rick for this great forum. To all here I strongly consider heeding this report “Warning: Food Supply and Affordability are Seriously Threatened”. http://www.preparednesspro.com/blog/food-shortage-series-part-1/#more-6886

  • laurent February 26, 2011, 8:11 pm

    Please pass on this (news) tip.

    The Enemy Is Down The Street

    This is an emergency message to the collective bargainers of Wisconsin. Please get together with your non-union compatriots, together with your fellow-members of adjacent states and turn your sights onto the enemy.
    Your enemy is not governor Walker. Your enemy is not the government opposition.Your enemy is not in Wisconsin. Your enemy is not in Washington.
    All these are but entities hanging from the strings being manipulated by your real enemy. This is an emergency. You must all get together in the name of not only your members, but of all working citizens and start walking towards New York.
    From your remarkable reputation of values and determination, you could potentially gather three million supporters to walk onto Wall Street. Bring your demands onto the table of these enslaving banks. These are your enemy. These are our enemy. This is the enemy at the root of every economic dispute presently happening on this planet.
    Just go in there peacefully, set up camp and ask J P Morgan, BoA, Citi, Wells Fargo, Wachovia and the others for the few billions that Walker needs to balance the budget, and just take it back to him. But before you leave the bank, ask them also for the money they stole that was meant to balance all local, municipal, state, and national budgets. Also don’t leave without the money this den of vipers stole from the Arab world,
    the African world, the Third world, or just plainly The World. If they don’t quite have enough there on Wall Street, just move up the isle a bit and get the rest from Rockefeller. If this evil House doesn’t have quite enough at home, there is another House in Europe that could fill in the gap without even feeling the pinch. Please go to New York. That is where the enemy is. Wall Street has barricaded off every one of our Main Streets, but you can get around that.

    Laurent Jubinville
    Penticton, BC.
    Canada

  • roger erickson February 26, 2011, 7:36 pm

    speaking of the meaning of a $US
    surreal – 2 Middle Eastern arms shows go on in parallel;

    International Defence Exhibition and Conference (IDEX) – Abu Dhabi http://www.idexuae.ae/page.cfm/action=ExhibList/ListID=1/t=m

    Arms deals still made amid Middle East crackdowns
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/24/AR2011022404838.html?tid=wp_featuredstories

    contains these gems:

    “the goal is to defend against Iran and to secure energy infrastructure”

    “This year’s arms show is 30 percent larger than the previous one”

    dealers are worried that “new subsidies to appease disgruntled populations, could shift resources to domestic spending”

    “They’ll have money to do everything” if oil stays above $100 a barrel” [translation: $US; meaning an increasing proportion of US output will be traded for foreign oil]

    “Navy Vice Adm. Charles W. Moore, a former commander of the Navy’s Bahrain-based 5th Fleet who is now president of Lockheed Martin’s Middle East division.”
    [US citizens with that much “operations” experience are sorely needed in other arenas, such as Congress]

    “they need to increase their anti-terrorist capability with al-Qaeda in the area”

    All of the countries in the region are aware, Westlake-Toms said, “that internal security needs to be improved.”

    [?? what about group intelligence? can one have group security without group intelligence? If you were a resident of Libya, how much is gold worth? Many are voting with their feet, and/or lives.]

    I keep coming back to this “group-capitalism” question. How do we invest in the “return-on-group-coordination”, not just personal capital? So many people gave everything in order to let their kids grow up in the USA. How do we retain that REAL potential value?

  • Martin Snell February 26, 2011, 7:00 pm

    “let us drill in all 50 states. Tell the eco-Marxist/Fascist to go to hell and we’re going to help ouselves to what God/nature gave us!”

    Ledbedder, WOW! What planet exactly do you live on (Marxist/ Fascist ?????). Like most conservatives you seem to ignore the reality that there are sometimes limits. Simply wishing something does not make it true. You can drill everywhere and you won’t have enough to supply the insatiable US demand driven by artificially low prices.

    The US imports about 60% of the oil it uses, but prices it at less than Canada (which is an exporter). Heck even Canada realizes that oil is a limited resource (and it has the tar sands). As a result Canadians drive fewer cars and drive more fuel efficient cars than Americans. The country also runs a trade surplus (less oil used, means more to export). And it also is NOT just printing money.

    • Larry D February 26, 2011, 8:22 pm

      “You can drill everywhere and you won’t have enough to supply the insatiable US demand driven by artificially low prices.”

      Why of course! The US can and should source ALL of it’s energy needs from beyond its borders. Oil from Canada, Mexico and Venezuela. Natural gas from Qatar. Nuke and hydro electricity from Canada as well.

      The US has tar sands and oil shale, too. But, for some odd reason, Canada thinks it in their best interest to exploit (good nasty word) their resource, while the US locks up theirs behind lawsuits and prohibitions.

      Furthermore, idiotarians like Henry Waxman want to place restrictions against importing Canadian oil produced from tar sands (50% of CDN production.) Either he’s a dope, or a genius who doesn’t ignore the reality of limits.

  • Mike February 25, 2011, 10:10 pm

    one more question

    everything I read everywhere they are always talking about the problems.

    one simple question: what is the solution?

    • Robert February 25, 2011, 11:08 pm

      The simple solution is to look out for number one.

      The difficult solution is to replace politically induced monetary distortion with healthy capital allocation (based exclusively upon the will of the investor to invest) , and to replace authoritarianism with entrepreneurism. Of course, this will require a non corruptable form of capital that can’t be willed into existence as usury against a person’s desire and willingness to be productive.

      Blowing away arbitrary regional borders as free market trade barriers wouldn’t hurt, either… but now I’m talking crazy-talk.

  • Mike February 25, 2011, 9:55 pm

    Rick
    this a response to your response from yesterday.

    An engineer can tell us at what point a specific material will break when holding x amount of load, a doctor can tell someone (approximately) how long they have to live when inflicted with a deadly disease. The way I see it, this can go on almost forever. I have friends (many of them) whose lifestyle hasn’t change a bit. they are oblivious to the problems that the other 80 percent are having. they’re planning expensive vacations, they’re paying for expensive schools for their kids, they’re golfing all the time on “business” trips, their wives don’t work and just go shopping, on and on.
    It is completely confounding to me. I don’t get it.

    Mario had commented and made sense and I thank both of you.
    just thought I’d try to solicit other thoughts and opinions.
    thanks

  • John Jay February 25, 2011, 8:23 pm

    Bernanke is neither an economist, nor a statistician.
    He is a salesman, just like David Lereah, former “Chief Economist/ Spokesman” of the NAR.
    The right time to buy a house was always “Now”
    The right time to lower rates and weaken the dollar is always “Now”.
    The housing market and the value of the dollar are headed to the same place.
    David Lereah and Ben Bernanke both knew they were/are talking jive, but that’s their chief job.
    Here is a nice link to stats on US/China import/export balance of trade, it speaks for itself.

    http://www.uschina.org/statistics/tradetable.html

  • steve February 25, 2011, 6:51 pm

    hi Rick,, and thankyou for the excellence in OP-ED.
    my experience with corporate america’s “productivity” levels,, which in turn go to feed the Federal measurements of “productivity” per worker as a whole, are such that they are measuring the wrong things, that is,, the attempt has been to water down the real task, (hence dumbing down of America) ,, it would seem that corporate statusticians are looking for a one size fits all, by reducing tasks to nothing more than a measure of “widgets” produced. Many things in the physical world, and also in relation to a customer service aspect (in this service driven economy i might add) , CAN NOT be broken down to a junior high school analogy based on 20th century production of “widgets”. So, the premise of measuring “production” by industry group is flawed from the outset. On to the Dollar, oh yes, by chart analysis i do see the dollar being devalued “over time” , but i don’t believe that we’ll be driven into the apocalypse in the “short order” that many doom gloomers are prognosticating, further more, the gold bugs have yet to explain to me exactly “what” a gold coin will be worth in the post apocalyptic world. In order to illustrate, will a gold coin be worth a loaf of bread ? ,, and with it in mind that things “must” be measured in pairs, will a gold coin be worth a sandwich, loaf of bread, bottle of water maybe ?? ,, if so,, then i wouldn’t be so eager to buy “gold” at $1400/oz,, those who are,, will see the shellacking of their life time, because most of us just don’t have it “to go” regarding food and water valuations after the malaise ? brute force, guns and ammo maybe,, but do “i” really want to “live” in that world ??????????

    • Rick Ackerman February 26, 2011, 1:28 am

      “Easy Al” Greenspan, who received his PhD in the Dismal Science from NYU, and whose feel-good mendacity (or ignorance; it was often difficult to tell which) was never more brazen than when he attempted to spin inflated home values as “wealth,” never tired of bragging about the productivity miracle that supposedly occurred during his tenure as Fed chairman. The suspicion grows, however, that he had failed to ponder the Austrians’ take on productivity — i.e., that for serious economists, the concept of productivity is meaningless unless related to changes in real income. Since wages adjusted for inflation have been falling in the U.S. for a generation, one wonders what kind of “productivity” Dr. Greenspan was talking about.

    • Benjamin February 26, 2011, 4:15 am

      “the gold bugs have yet to explain to me exactly “what” a gold coin will be worth in the post apocalyptic world.”

      Hi, steve. I’m asked that often enough, so I’ve gotten used to explaining it…

      How much bread would gold coin buy in Mad Max, and all sequels?

      In the aftermath of an apocalypse, you don’t need bread. Which is just as well, since you can’t have it anyway. You and every surviving person will have adapted to what nature and then your brains and effort can most easily provide. Bread is not on that list. And you don’t need gold to accquire that something else in post-apocalyptic world. You do, as you pointed out, need to think and act the unthinkable. Let’s not.

      Gold is only a relic to regressed barbarians who care nothing for the civilization they abandoned. But that is what modern day quackery has associated monetary metals with. End of the world, total war, collapse… This is all boogieman nonsense, designed to keep people from ever considering them as the one and only alternative to our mockery of a civilization. Hard money is for _better_ times, not worse. Hard money means plenty of solid productive opportunities and growing self-reliance and enlightenment.

      And so it is a strong people, based in honest industry and commerce, who are best prepared to survive and adapt to anything raw nature throws at them. As for man-made financial diasters, those are impossible in such a (very possible) society. Gold is not a disaster hedge. It is disaster _cure and prevention_. It is the anti-civilized and barbaric peoples who have things to “hedge” against, for all that they can really hedge against at all.

      Sucks to be them. So buy whatever gold/silver you can reasonably afford. Then join the fight to assert your natural right to weight the currency. Stock stuff only for shorter-term disruptions, as the value of cumbersome preparation for EotW pales next to re-adaption when it’s here. And don’t worry about demolished gold/silver prices. When that happens, I guarantee that you’ll have much bigger troubles on your radar than a wasted $35 to $1,400. Nothing to lose vs everything to gain. Has there ever been an easier bet to make?

    • Robert February 26, 2011, 5:35 am

      Hello Steve-

      The question of “how much would gold purchase in a post-armagedon scenario” is one that I grapple with as well.

      How much bullion does a person need? I’ll defer to Richard Russel of Dow Theory Letters, whose opinion is that “you should have only as much Gold as you require to sleep soundly at night.” – meaning that if you fear that you have too little, then you are probably right, while if you stress about your exorbitant monthly storage fees, or about the price of gold cratering and wiping out your wealth, then you probably have too much.

      I trade in the natural resource and PM sectors, so I maintain a higher % of my net worth allocated to this area, so I am not the person to ask about how much is too little, or too much.

      Frankly, if we do go all Mad Max, then I’m going to be more willing to expend ammo defending my garden more readily than I will defending my buried treasure chest. As Benjamin states- Gold is for the good times, not the bad.

      I would very much like to live the remainder of my life assuming that the next time that safe is opened, it will be by my kids after I’m stiff and cold.

      I posted a piece on my own Blog today that pertains to this topic- click my name above to read it.

    • Cam Fitzgerald February 26, 2011, 6:43 am

      Hey! That was kind of cool Robert. I read your piece. Interesting blog you have there too. How did you set your name up to link elsewhere though?

    • Robert February 26, 2011, 7:42 am

      Thanks Cam!

      All I do is include my blog URL into the “website” field when I post a comment here on Rick’s forum, and my name becomes the hyperlink. We can thank Rick’s webmaster for that

  • warren February 25, 2011, 6:34 pm

    As usual, after reading what most have to say, I get a feeling that some things just get over- analysed .
    Too many paper dollars and too many digital zeros only lead in one direction. If you haven’t already, please read “When Money Dies” by Adam Fergusson. It’s all history and history repeats. Get a taste for it. Maybe the shock will be less. Have a good day or two, relatively speaking. Bye.

    • Rick Ackerman February 26, 2011, 1:27 am

      I’ve cited Fergusson’s excellent book here a dozen times because it explains, among other things, why Weimar-style hyperinflation CANNOT happen in the USA. If you Google “German hyprinflation,” I’ll bet you won’t find a single article among the 14,900 offered that gets around to explaining how all of that printing-press money got into the hands of German workers. Fergusson does, however, and maybe that’s why his out-of-print book commands such a huge price.

    • Robert February 26, 2011, 7:41 am

      Thanks Cam!

      All I do is include my blog URL into the “website” field when I post a comment here on Rick’s forum, and my name becomes the hyperlink. We can thank Rick’s webmaster for that

    • warren February 26, 2011, 6:30 pm

      Again..over-analysed.

  • Roger Erickson February 25, 2011, 5:47 pm

    Much of the data discussed in these comments seems unconnected to context, and hence irrelevant. (Cue Walter Shewhart 🙂 )

    A lower Fx rate is only relevant to imports/exports. Geithner wants to turn the USA into an “exporting nation”. Like Japan, or Germany? Why would we want to make things for other people instead of for ourselves?

    “Money will flow in”? What do we need other people’s fiat currency for when we can always make as much of our own as we need? A currency issuer needs to balance real-goods and “capability” budgets, NOT a fiat bookkeeping budget!!! Ask the Marines if they worry about currency. You control situations first, then hire accountants to keep orderly records.

    We can do anything in this country that we put our minds to. Our currency obsession over fiat bookkeeping, and thinking we can “run out of” fiat currency is getting downright embarrassing.

    This recent blog by Bill Black drives home 5 of the 7 points usually made by the few operational finance people who are actually honest.
    http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2011/02/how-the-servant-became-a-predator-finances-five-fatal-flaws/

    • Robert February 25, 2011, 5:51 pm

      Roger- BRAVO.

      At last, a set of points that you and I can agree on COMPLETELY.

      I knew it was possible and could happen someday. 🙂

  • GlennH February 25, 2011, 5:15 pm

    Robert thanks for you interesting reply. No where in either article is there mention of the brain drain that occurs when a currency weakens off. For nearly 30 years Canada enacted government policy that lead to a weak CDN dollar and one effect was a mass migration of highly educated and marketable people, mostly professions and academics, to the USA. Weather is often viewed as the reason people move south from north of the 48th, but at the time, better work, in a stronger currency with lower taxes was, in my humble opinion the true reason. That migration occurred during my generation and is an old story but had some interesting side effects. Look at any country with massive inflation and you will see literally plane loads of professional heading elsewhere. It will be interesting to see what happens over the next 20 years as infrastructure wears out, water gets expensive, college gets unaffordable for the middle class, will that migration reverse?

    • Robert February 25, 2011, 5:43 pm

      Good point Glenn-

      I would dare to assume that our friend Mario is himself a testament to this principle.

      Mario, please correct me if I am wrong and you would still choose China even if the present year were 1954 🙂

    • mario cavolo February 26, 2011, 10:09 am

      A great point Glenn, which speaks well to the idea of looking at life from a global perspective.

      During my corporate event speeches/workshops I often talk about how the Europeans including my family headed to America in search of a better life and to get away from oppressive gov’t, etc. Now I’ve moved on from America to China (for now), and I wonder where my child will growup and live and end up 30-40 years later? Big article today on the Irish packing their bags and I wonder when there may be a substantial rise in the number of Americans who also do.

      Cheers, Mario

  • Benjamin February 25, 2011, 5:11 pm

    Rick, Mario and Robert…

    Guys, you’ve actually managed to do it. You’ve brought to the front something I can say so much about that I can’t say anything at all! It’s a traffic jam. Similarly, so is this whole situtaion. But I’ve just got to rant. Feel free to ignore this, everyone!

    Mario, you’re far too optimistic. I was going over the link you posted, and when I saw this point here, all sorts of alarm bells were tripped…

    “While U.S. exports to China are increasing faster than exports to any other major export destination, the nation’s export performance in China lags behind the competition…” (cont later)

    If we chop our currency down, then we screw those competitors in the process. They would have to respond in kind. We’ll get to why, in greater detail, in a moment. This I believe is what they call a trade war. That under-cutting in turn increases the debt burden of all exporters involved. Even if GM were to export every car it made (with orders for more up the wazoo to put those sales to shame), the outcome would be not enough returns due the rapidly increasing costs of borrowing. They would be bailed out, no doubt, but that means someone else gets stuck with the bill/no more credit.

    Some would say zero interest is the cure, but let’s get real here. Unhibited borrowing would be hyper-inflation. This would occur as the scramble for needed present and future resources commenced (soon becoming a mad scramble for _present_ resource only). Everyone goes for broke, and that’s exactly what they would receive.

    But we have other smart things we can do to avoid those nasty outcomes. Like price fixing. So many places in the world have price controls in place on prescription drugs, for example. That’s why the U.S. has such insanely high drug prices, btw. The cost has to be absorbed somewhere. And let’s see who that would be in a global trade war…

    (cont) “– Germany and the European Union, South Korea, Japan, Australia and others – in its ability to meet China’s rapidly expanding demand for imports.”

    The only place that makes any sense is the one doing the exporting. So if the U.S. is going to be that exporter, that means very, very drastic reductions in consumption, brought about by…

    a) scarcity, due to high levels of exporting
    b) price controls elsewhere leading to even higher than market costs due to scarcity.

    Some would say “good… the U.S. needs that!”. But the fact is, we’re not talking about modest reductions. People would most certainly die as a result of the kinds of reductions needed to make this all somehow work. And that is _precisely_ what happened when we rose to all-important stardom. PEOPLE DIED BY THE MILLIONS. Life expectancies in many areas fell off a cliff and remain in a depression to this very day. And again, with great reduction comes great need for another 300 million+ people to do without.

    That being the case, everyone will want price controls, but NO ONE will want to bear them. But surely we can just borrow against the unborn, which is another way of saying that we still need present suckers to unload on? Contrary to popular belief, there is no such things as borrowing against the unborn. ALL borrowing has present impact that echos to the future. What this means is that some get credit/bailouts while others rot without.

    But that’s okay. We can simply use a tisket-a-tasket-a-multi-currency-basket. But I repeat myself…. If you can’t have the people to absorb the costs, THEN YOU CAN’T HAVE THE CURRENCY! Currencies might have images of people, but they’re not people! Not even a zillion such “people” could absorb enough without having to find more _actual_ people to do the absorbing. So currency baskets are DUMB!

    Some will say, no problem. Just borrow from the central bank (or some three letter name that sounds like they have money, like IMF, BIS, etc). But again, WHOA… Let’s consider what completely uninhibited devaluation is. It’s hyper-inflation. And since no one can absorb the cost through hyper-austerity, it’s safe to conclude that none can afford HI, either.

    We’re just not getting anywhere because there is nowhere to go. Somewhere in these comments I recall seeing mention made of a two-teir currency: one for domestic and one for everything else. One of those will be “gold”. There’s no way that it can’t be. I think Robert hit the nail on the head…

    “I am convinced that there is a metric. I don’t know if it is a pre-conceived dollar level on the DXY, ***or if it is some level of backwardation in the Gold market***”

    The only way to have a two-tier currency, with gold (necessarily) serving on one level, is to have premanent backwardation in gold, for that is the only way to dance around the issue of never seeing any _actual_ gold. If gold is off the table, but otherwise known to exist (in Plato terms), then governments can create as much “gold” as they like. They can even claim it lies in the ground where it simply never did. Therefore, their “gold” will have some staying power…

    …so long as people don’t mind “a little” tyranny and being kicked around for the needs of state. I realize not many would like that, and would revolt to varying degrees. But so what? There aren’t terribly many who know of THE genuine alternative. They will revolt, but with nothing meaningful guiding them, revolt will die down in time.

    So I agree with Mario. We’re not doomed. Get real, folks. We’re _damned_, by our own collective ignorance.

    Not enough people understand what will be here when it finally is, even though many see something coming. Once backwardation is made indefinite, we’ll all be in such dire straights that virtually no one will be able and willing to challenge the brave new world. I’ve lost all hope in the Tea Party and so-called conservatives, as well. Especially the latter, with such a poorly veiled “acceptance”, hate Libertarians. Even among Libertarians, too many miss the very fine line between Liberty and anarchy. Blink, and you miss it. It’s that fine and slim.

    The only thing there is left is revolt with unwavering vision inspired by an offer most cannot refuse (and still call themselves human). Anything else is just temporary and meaningless violence and other hub-bub that would result in at least one generation living under world-wide totalitarianism. Probably more, though. Certainly more!

    • Robert February 25, 2011, 5:49 pm

      Benjamin- good points.

      I don’t think we (the people) are doomed… but I do think that the military-industrial paradigm is.

      and I say good riddance.

    • Benjamin February 25, 2011, 11:46 pm

      If you’re still around Robert…

      In regards to the end of military adventurism, yes and no. In light of recent events, what I see shaping up is a returning of more personnel, for the purpose of martial law and other friendly, for-your-own-safety measures. Barring that, a shift out of old places, and into ones where fears can be sufficiently drummed up to justify it.

      That’s all up in the air, but one thing I am clear on is that, no, it will not die quietly. It never does. I have to admit though that the Daily Bell (among others) had me convinced it could and was.

      Again, the key is vision. If people assert their liberties to bring about real change, rather than be side-tracked by this and that, then civil unrest should be minimized, with little need to declare martial law and all that jazz. MIC spending cannot be directly confronted, imo. The home needs to be won first, in order to create abundant opportunity that would sap it of excess personnel, present and future. The “defense” investors are incurably corrupt, but without personnel they can’t very well keep the troops deployed everywhere. Boo hoo for them.

      But this is not likely happen. Again, though, doom is hardly the word I would use. We’re “damned” (destined) to suffer at least a little bit. An inch by necessity means a mile. It’ll be tough, but I ultimatley believe that it will end with Liberty fully restored.

      That, or I get hit by car (which would just figure!) 🙂

  • Brian Ciarallo February 25, 2011, 4:55 pm

    The NWO (new world order), the elitists, globalists have stated and just recently again the end of the US Dollar as the world’s reserve currency is soon coming… how about 2012 as they boldly admit. It is in their genetic makeup to reveal the agenda and all plans as they will be… to the world!!
    Henry Kissinger former US Secretary of State cut a deal with the arab countries in the late 70’s and that deal was to purchase all their oil in exchange for the arabs sending back a percentage of all that oil money in the form of purchasing American Debt… specifically US T-Bills & US T-Bonds. The other condition Kissinger promised the Arabs was that major production of oil in the US would not ever happen… now what the US Government has known for many decades and kept secret to the its own people was the fact that there are known deposits which comprise over 2 Trillion barrels of oil just waiting to be pumped out… but pumped out only when oil reaches a minimum world price of $200.00 a barrel!! And it’s scheduled and engineered to come in the next 9 to 12 months!! Now that the conflict in the middle east is underway as engineered and planned… it is only a matter of time (months) before oil shoots way up… the Globalists will than as planned collapse the US Dollar and get ready the world for the stated New Global Currency.

    The Plan is to “Double Cross” the Arabs. Their US paper will be worthless and they hold 100’s of Billions of Dollars of this Worthless Paper.

    When this happens The Elitists will commence production of the biggest oil fields in the history of the US… in the amazing State of Alaska. That’s right Alaska… and Atlantic Richfield operated by these elitists have known and covered up this information for several decades… the government has been lying to the American People for decades!!

    Once they Double Cross the Arabs and bankrupt them… oh, will they ever be furious… what do you think happens next!!

    If you think this is a fairy tale… I strongly suggest you do your homework… the evidence is everywhere… prepare yourself… protect yourself… buy some Gold & Silver TODAY and store some food TODAY!!

    Rick Ackerman and many others in his circle know this.
    PLEASE PROTECT YOURSELF TIME IS RUNNING OUT!!!

    • Rich February 26, 2011, 2:38 am

      LW talking points on AJ:
      http://www.infowars.com/

    • Cam Fitzgerald February 26, 2011, 2:58 am

      You are correct Brian. A new reserve currency is coming and it is not a conspiracy theory. It is a fact.

    • mario cavolo February 26, 2011, 3:32 am

      Hi Benjamin,

      Its a funny thing how this discourse expanded. Originally I had two points driving my approach: Rick rightly reminding us that the USD would tumble and AmCham Shanghai group coming back from their annual doorknock trip to Washington with the message to push America’s National Export Initiative program, to take advantage of the opportunity to export more, particularly to China, as other countries have done.

      Now you stated below ” So if the U.S. is going to be that exporter, that means very, very drastic reductions in consumption, brought about by…” etc.

      I don’t understand you on this. If export demand rises, I thought simply that creates opportunity to make more things/services to meet that export demand, and which also creates jobs. The stats shared with us via the AmCham export report, excerpts here for the lazier folks:

      “U.S. goods exports last year accounted for only 7 percent of U.S. GDP compared to 35 percent in
      Germany and 46 percent in South Korea – both key competitors for the China market”

      “Already, U.S. goods exports to China roughly doubled over the five year period between 2004 and 2008 and since 2000 have grown 330 percent. In the first six months of 2010, China’s imports grew 50 percent. ”

      “The U.S. Commerce Department estimates that every $1 billion of exports generates or supports 6,250 manufacturing jobs…Despite the immense benefits of exporting, only 1 percent of U.S. businesses sell to international markets”

      Made in USA….sounds nice, doesn’t it?

      Frankly, and I say this slightly tongue in cheek; I get tired of being criticized for being an optimist.

      Where I see a duck , I call it a duck. Where I see opportunity I call it opportunity. I’m not an unapologetic optimist, I’m a realist. We live in a GLOBAL world of business. Look at alibaba.com, amazon.com, ebay.com. America needs to get with the global ballgame and that spells opportunity and a falling dollar will help create demand. Geez, I sound like I’m running for Mayor, which I’m certainly not.

      When I say I want to go to Europe instead of the U.S. this year on holiday because the EURO is down 25%, how in hell is that arguable? Its common sense that I am drawn toward that area because pricing is better. I’m not thinking of these matters much beyond such practical common sense. And none of what I say changes how we all know leadership has negatively impacted the state of affairs for lower/middle income Americans, a large group bearing the fallout of other’s gains, how they have made opportunity for SME’s harder not easier, its a shame.

      Cheers, Mario

    • Robert February 26, 2011, 7:24 am

      “Frankly, and I say this slightly tongue in cheek; I get tired of being criticized for being an optimist.”

      – Mario, I applaud your optimism, and truth be told, I hope for my children’s sake that you end up being right…

      Your observation that the rich always get richer, and so it will be this time, can only be proven from the perspective of hindsight; and make no mistake, I have no issue against being rich or being poor, just so long as the terms of the basis that establish a person’s richness or poorness are fair. I long for the day that we achieve a single global exchange rate denominator, and one that is not debase-able by the will of corruptable people.

      This world will not see the potential of what a population of free people can do until there are some free people somewhere.

    • Benjamin February 26, 2011, 7:11 pm

      Hi Mario. I didn’t see this response until today, so sorry to have kept you waiting. Anyway, let’s untangle this mess…

      Ben: So if the U.S. is going to be that exporter, that means very, very drastic reductions in consumption, brought about by…

      Mario: If export demand rises, I thought simply that creates opportunity to make more things/services to meet that export demand, and which also creates jobs.

      As I said, brought about by price controls and price inflation. The same can be said for imports too, actually. They create jobs. If not, then what was I delivering when I was a truck driver? What was the Walmart greeter welcoming us to? How did govt employees get even more cozy-comfy? And so on and so forth. And this was a longer-running trend spanning several decades. We didn’t just suddenly malinvestment. It’s been here for a while and is only now becoming painfuly apparent.

      But while it all felt good, what really happened? First, even though the U.S. enjoyed some of the lowest prices in the world, and our middle class grew, so did our poor. Government employment engorged and enriched. Good-paying manufacturing jobs gave way to low-paying retail and other junk. We experienced price inflation and rising tax burden that prevented any explosion of prosperity. But that’s what welfare’s for, I suppose.

      In the world, we first have Germany. This titanic exporter doesn’t even pay for their own health care. If they’re so prosperous, why not pay their own doctor and prescription drug costs? And what of the PIIGS they got tired of supporting (and for that matter, why PIIGS if currency fluctuations are such good regulators)?

      And then we have the oil-producing Arab/Islamic nations. Why are there so many ticked-off people there “these days”? As far as I know, they’ve never been paired with the dollar, let alone above it. It’s not hard to see why they aren’t and haven’t been very happy about the whole thing. A price-fixing cartel came about. And who consumed the most oil as the result of that? Not the countries that OPEC represents”. Who made the most money in oil? Not the commoners of those nations. And why were the rulers oppressive? Because to keep the viability of the exports UP to support the dictators, the people had to be kept poor. Poor, as in, not consuming. Poor, as in, not building much if anything they want and need. Only what dictators want, which was more exportable oil at highly desireble prices.

      What we see from Germany and those nations so far is exactly what I said in my first post: Price inflation and price controls, leading to distorions in consumption so that the viability of exports could be created and maintained. Now let’s look at a couple of odd-ball cases.

      Australia: Why aren’t a number of their farmers allowed to farm? Global-warming prevention allows the country to get some money from claiming carbon reductions, under Koyoto Protocol. And none of that money was ever given to the farmers who were stuck with the bills. Why can’t landonwers clear-cut their lands, to keep the brush fires from killing them? Environmental protection, same as above. Their parasites over there also seem to have sporatic offense toward fishing. I wonder how much fish and other produce would be in China right now (or wherever), without those restrictions being put in place. Or for that matter, their own grocery store shelves.

      What we’re seeing in Oz is something I’m not quite clear on. Is it a fall in exports, a fall in personal consumption, or both? I don’t know. It’s a crock of sheet, whatever it is.

      Japan: Aside from a currency in the toilet, Japan has one hell of a problem that is hardly ever talked about. Ageing population, birth-rate below replacement, and trending lower. Know what that’s called? Extinction. Russia is having a very similar problem. Too few kids, because kids are “un-necessary expense” in this incredibly liberal, “career driven”, and propserous hell-hole era of a zillion billionaires. The other thing is…

      When I was 13, 14, some Japanese psychologists and policy folks came and visited my highschool, because we had one of the lowerst rates of teen suicide in the nation. I didn’t know that, but Japan aparently did. They wanted to study and observe us, so they could solve their teen suicide problem. Thing is, Japan went on steriod-like “competitiveness”. It killed their kids and obliterated families. I can’t says I blame them for dropping off on the baby-making. Why bring a child into that? Anyway, they exported much, their currency is total garbage, and now all they seem to do to make headlines is another Toyota recall.

      That latter point is not a jab against the Japanese. From the very first one, I said we could expect to see more because NO ONE on either side could afford it in the first place. Toyota’s gotten to be like the software industry. Release a buggy (real or imagined) product, put out a fix later, after the sales come in.

      So I’m going to conclude, based on what I see and know, that kicking a meth addiction by going on PCP is not going to be great for America. Yes, it’ll be jobs galore, but it’s going to be like a downpour in Death Valley; the hard-baked ground causes the water to run off, while what stands quickly evaporates. It’s going to be erratic and bankrupting.

      What part of “no one left in the world to absorb the costs” is so hard to accept? It’s going to be those workers and the companies that they go back to work for/thrown out again/back into even cheaper work/thrown out again etc… who will bear the cost. It can’t be the rich “Chinese” because that doesn’t make any sense; if it has to be them bearing some of the cost then how on earth can we keep up this “bonanza” to the extent that it needs to be kept up?

      And not only that, look at the troubles the other exporters are having (see above). Something tells me that if we were to even creep our way into China’s import percentages, they would notice, and respond in kind with a devaluation of their own. We would have to respond in kinder. And before you go to Europe, let me tell you about Canada…

      I used to go there alot, back in the days when a USD would by at least 1.5 CAD. Yeah, the conversion rates are favorable, but on the consumer level the price are higher. A truckstop meal that cost 12 here (typical cost) cost nearly 20 USD up there. A soda here that went for 1.50 went for 2.50 USD there. I didn’t terribly mind this, though, as I was always in and out. Then I got stuck there one time, for a three day weekend. Someone failed to tell me that the plant was closed for the weekend and what the heck is Victoria Day? Then one day, I had a leaky fuel line. There was no way I could cross that bridge with that. I had no choice but to go the local Freightliner dealer and have it fixed. Cost me 200 bucks to get out, and later I got an estimate in Detroit for just under half that amount. I learned from both those that it’s best to stay out of Canada as much as possible, in case I ever had to spend money. I don’t know how it is in Europe, but for all I was told that Canada was wonderfully cheaper, I sure did spend a lot more than for what I got.

      And finally, no, I’m not trying to crush! optimism. I know it must seem that way, but you have to look at it properly. If you’re going to have faith in something, have faith in what I’ve been saying. We need to coin money. And it can’t be a case where kings, emperors, or just plain big-mouthed politicians get to go nuts over what it should be. That’s why it failed in the first place. It needs to be determined by market supply and demand (and by extension, trade).

      Then, and only then will we have peace and prosperity. I hope we can all live to see the day.

  • Agent P February 25, 2011, 9:24 am

    Mario –

    May I ask something:

    “Further, it is my understanding that U.S. manufacturing was 4.8 Trillion of the GDP. Is that chump change? It is my understanding that U.S. exports are in fact greatly on the rise, including to China.”

    a. What precisely are the things that we manufacture, that equal 4.8 $Trillion?

    b. Perhaps even more apt, are the goods that equal the 4.8 $Trillion made here – on U.S. soil, employing U.S. citizens, or are they made elsewhere, but show up on GDP data?

    I’m fairly certain that we still make Caterpillar heavy equipment here and locomotives and tooling machinery and (some) Boeing parts/frames/assemblies, Ok. But what else?

    I struggle to see with my own eyes – empirically speaking, what we manufacture here – domestically in the U.S. for export, employing U.S. citizens, that would equal 4.8 $Trillion dollars.

    This is not a sarcastic question. I would really like to know and/or have the issue set straight. ISM numbers can be highly misleading.

    Thanks –

    • Bradley February 25, 2011, 7:29 pm

      It seems to me that when lots of people think about manufacturing, and the move away from American shores of companies who make THINGS, they are right to think that those jobs and manufacturing won’t be coming back here, but think of the export products we currently make which are to be found nowhere else. Name a large business which doesn’t use Microsoft business software, or Oracle database software, or EMC storage or Adobe software or Autodesk CAD software or cloud computing or or or or or…
      All is not lost if we don’t make our own can openers…

    • Cam Fitzgerald February 26, 2011, 2:55 am

      Ok Bradley, but it is just so galling that even the Marines cannot hold up their own trousers without zippers and buttons from Chinese factories.

      That they cannot strap on equipment holsters without the benefit of Velcro straps made in Asia. That no major conflict with them can afford to last longer than the domestic shelf stock of Chinese made suspenders and even footwear (you realize the Chinese make the military footwear for almost everyone, including us right?).

      If the ships ever stop coming over to our shores we are so screwed it is not even funny anymore. We are like adult dependant children living in the basement with no means to support ourselves anymore and no productive assets to change the outcome for our own destiny on short notice.

      Did I mention we are screwed?

    • mario cavolo February 26, 2011, 2:58 am

      Hi AgentP!

      Thanks much for asking: One of the reads on the export research was here: http://www.dailymarkets.com/economy/2011/02/11/exports-to-china-surge-to-record-level-in-dec-10b-exports-to-china-have-grown-faster-25yr-than-imports-14-5yr-since-2000/

      You ask great questions delving deeper into the nature of those exports. Especially the issue of source. In China also!!!…parts are imported from all over the world, assembled in China and then exported marked “made in China”….the times we live in.

      To be fair and intelligent, this is important and needs to be dug into deeper: What are the bonafide manufacturing and export #’s as a percentage of U.S. GDP? Then we run into the problem of never ending arguing that reports or stats are false, skewed, etc. The transparency is not there and when the misleading false information is cleverly mixed in with the clear information, its even harder to discern.

      Does anyone know or can intelligently break down those U.S. manufacturing and export stats?…or refer to additional links?

      Cheers, Mario

  • Erich February 25, 2011, 8:39 am

    A coupla observations now that this is all coming into focus….

    The greenback is mostly already retired as a store of value (and certainly the Fed has implemented its plan for the coming bank deposits panic run). The dollar is now a national subsidy coupon and anarchy hedge. To ‘salvage’ the dollar the Fed is possibly considering a two tier currency. One for use inside the domestic economy (under martial law the dollar would be a claim against military-rationed goods, a very real worst case scenario given the continued breakdown in US Means of Production), and a second currency to arbitrate the withdrawal of foreign funds and interface the foreign ownership of Corporation USA.

    This is nascent already inside the US bond market with the Fed the buyer of last resort; the Fed is arbitrating behind closed door the sale of America part and parcel to foreign debt holders to entice them out of wholesale dumping of US Treasuries.

    EZ Al indicated that he would defend the $700 mark in gold (this is ‘yesterday’s’ fair value, given a $350 production mining cost… times two (x2) to factor mintage, transportation, sales and distribution costs). EZ Al also indicated that he would defend a 131 Dollar to Euro, today we are at 1.38 dollars to the Euro. So according to EZ Al’s gross monetary indiscretions, the ball is now clearly rolling downhill.

    The administration is certainly fencing in China, a very real threat to US National Security as it takes de facto control of the planet’s resources, along with Russia. Critical to the US maintaining supremacy over China, and attempting to rebalance at some point the entire metric of price undercutting that is see-sawing the US-centric lifestyle downwards against the emerging third world lifestyle, is the US plan, also nascent, towards destabilizing China. Not unlike Tiananmen, so that when the US fails (and transitions anarchy), so does the rest of the world.

    • Steve February 25, 2011, 7:37 pm

      “. . .The greenback is mostly already retired as a store of value (and certainly the Fed has implemented its plan for the coming bank deposits panic run). . .”

      Maybe when the violence hits the streets some will get the reality. Greenback is a tally of debt that has no value except to the task master as a basis to tax a greater level of debt for the master/slaver. ( get off the cushion and call the federal reserve who will tell you the ‘value’ of a federal reserve note is ZERO) I can tell you the fancy stuff about the Banking Act of 1913, and the general and paramount lien for “use” of the notes. But, I cannot make anyone want to know the truth. You and you, you are 450k in debt beyond whatever tenanture one owes in fee, the loan on the car, the college loan, the credit card debt. That means that the majority are in over their heads 1m. The ones who have the 1m may be able to come out the other end with a zero balance. The rest ?

      Read Alexander Hamilton and his advise to Pres. Washington to get the people into debt so that they can be controled. One does not need to look at History – just be honest about the present and what the federal reserve system is. It is a debt system created by masters that lures people into the tar of debt and never lets them go. The current scheme is Feudal as in the people are in FEE.

      Joe Sixpac is not going to care until he cannot watch cable TV, or buy beer. It doesn’t even need to be good beer. Right now there is no inflation because Joe is still drinking beer even if its the cheap stuff because the good stuff costs 10 times more than it used to. (this is how YOUR GOVERMENT calculates inflation at one level, the other is when more wages chase fewer products, and then less wages chase fewer products, until we owe our soul)

      If one cannot get that figures don’t lie, but; liars figure, and that federal reserve notes are just a tally of debt discharged – oh heck – I’m tired.

      As for me; I want to be Robert’s neighbor.

  • mario cavolo February 25, 2011, 7:16 am

    Hi Rick,

    You know I regard it as an honor to be in the middle of the foray at your forum.

    I was meaning to reply further to Robert’s and other commentary since. In fact directly to this part;

    “Or, are you suggesting that as the currency weakens that it will mean stronger U.S. exports, and therefore greater domestic growth? if so, then how, exactly, will these miraculous exports be manufactured?

    Yes that is what I was suggesting in this particular commentary yesterday. In doing so I must reference a link to content which influences my point of view and approach. This is a great and important business read on U.S. export competitiveness prepared by the American Chamber here in Shanghai, of which I am an active member.

    http://www.amcham-shanghai.org/ftpuploadfiles/publications/viewpoint/us_export.pdf

    I’ve written in other posts about this main point: In essence, the NEI is the National Export Initiative and there is the potential for it to become much more successful, mostly by a greater commitment to exports to China. While as other’s have pointed out, a weaker dollar at home creates other domestic issues too, a weaker dollar creates exports and exports create jobs.

    American business and government need to stop looking at America as the only territory on the globe. The economy is global, globally connected more so with each passing month. And on that globe, China has the cash. Any salesman knows that you can’t sell your stuff to customers who don’t have any money. More so, China loves American brand goods. They desire them, they want to buy them. They are in demand here. This spells opportunity plain and simple but only if responsible government leaders and businessmen move it in the right direction.

    Next point; A falling currency attracts business and investment. I am glad to be visiting American this year, getting more dollars for my RMB than last year. When the EURO was cheap, I wanted to take advantage of that and take my wife to Europe.

    Do you understand that more U.S. visas are being issued to Chinese visitors than ever? Those Chinese are bringing in more cash for investment and spending while in the U.S. than any other group of visitors. I was looking at home prices here this past 2 weeks, I think a lovely, single family home in Fountain Hills, AZ for $100 / sq ft is quite attractive. It will be even more attractive if my currency exchange rate improves too. So maybe 2 years from now, I can buy that home for $170,000 and when the USD is 10% lower. That would motivate me to consider moving back to the U.S., to find how I might also be able to settle here again and generate income.

    All parts to the puzzle must be addressed. If the dollar falls further, thereby making exports more attractive, that’s great, but not if the export sector policies and business rules and initiatives don’t offer the corresponding changes, commitments and ability required to take advantage of the opportunity which a falling USD will create in this regard.

    Further, it is my understanding that U.S. manufacturing was 4.8 Trillion of the GDP. Is that chump change? It is my understanding that U.S. exports are in fact greatly on the rise, including to China.

    While I could suggest these points are significant and worthy of being paid attention too, they address only a few of the many pieces to the global economic and political puzzle, and thousands of pages more needed to
    treat and research and debate and compare.

    Cheers, Mario

    • Robert February 25, 2011, 5:32 pm

      Hi Mario-

      Firstly, as always, I appreciate it when anyone stimulates me to thought via debate- and you possess a Jedi’s skill in that area 🙂

      Now, regarding your premise regarding weak dollars and jobs:

      “a weaker dollar creates exports and exports create jobs.”

      I’m afraid this is an invalid cause-effect relationship. It is actually production surpluses in a demand-rich economy that create exports; and it requires a lot more than cheap currency to generate production surpluses.

      Production requires real capital (resources, labor and willingness). Of these, the US has:

      1) Clamped down on resources via centralized environmental policy and law;
      2) Clamped down on the ability to freely allocate labor via ridiculous collective bargaining and centralized labor policy and law;
      3) Clamped down on the willingness to combine resources and labor in the pursuit of productive gain by subjugating money and replacing it with “free credit” that requires the willing to first appeal to the senselessness of the banker and the state before they can bring their economic fruitfulness into reality.

      So, I ask again, how exactly does cheap credit break this cycle?

      As I stated- production surpluses can only be generated when you actually PRODUCE SOMETHING. The US exports very little today except our currency (and therefore our ever increasing sovereign debt)

      We are screwed six ways from Sunday, and I’m afraid that your economic paradise across the Pacific is equally screwed once the cost of input resources overwhelms the willingness to continue building empty sky-scrapers and cranking out a never ending supply of beanie-babies.

      This economic distortion is nothing but the ugly after-effect of nearly a century of capital perversion and labor farming.

      To again use my analogy from above- in China, there are still players on the field gunning for the ball, and running for the goal line, not realizing that the game is long over.

      You enjoy an improving standard of living via your work-ethic, and your willingness to travel with the “hot money”.

      I enjoy an improving standard of living because I simply maintain the highest degree of self-reliance that I am capable of.

      I don’t disparage you your choice to continue to play the game, because I assume doing so appeals to “the pursuit of happiness” that is so deeply ingrained in all of our souls…

      … but I don’t envy you, either 🙂

    • Steve February 25, 2011, 7:20 pm

      Ya Hoo Robert,

      Fresh organic eggs, unpoluted beef, and the ability to live Liberty.

    • Cam Fitzgerald February 26, 2011, 2:39 am

      Can I add a fourth point Robert?

      4) Regulated the hell out of absolutely every aspect of both small business and corporate effort, of most aspects of social and civilian life, the environment, medicine etc. etc. etc. to the point that many just give up before even starting. Everything is codified. Much of it conflicts. The cost of these onerous regulatory burdens have destroyed potential before it has even take its first breath of life and left the landscape barren of any real new and emergent economic opportunities.

      Mario….Good comeback!! I know what you are trying to get at and your optimism is always appreciated. You have heard the old expression, “it is always darkest before the dawn” of course. Like many here though, I think we have not seen the worst of the economic carnage yet. We are rather closer to the time of sunset than the time of a new day beginning if you get my drift.

    • mario cavolo February 26, 2011, 2:49 am

      Hi Robert!!

      I want to accuse you of “generalizing”…but of course you know I mean that in the way of a stimulating the ongoing discourse…

      Here: “I’m afraid this is an invalid cause-effect relationship. It is actually production surpluses in a demand-rich economy that create exports; and it requires a lot more than cheap currency to generate production surpluses.”

      I realize that my approach on this is in fact to the issue of stimulating the “demand” needed.

      I suggest to you very very clearly that:

      1. The demand is now already there. The export infrastructure and will does not exist to meet it. It is a hugely missed opportunity. As stated in the AmCham report, Germany has four times our exports with one fourth the GDP. Merkel was IN China promoting Germany with Germany’s business leaders! Has the U.S. leadership ever done anything like that? Same for Korea and Japan and Thailand and others. They are COURTING China! So should the U.S. Indeeed, U.S. policy in such areas has screwed itself, but I digress.

      2. As the USD become cheaper, that export demand will soar even higher. All the world, including the Chinese love a bargain. Nobody negotiates harder and tighter than the Chinese.

      3. I do realize that the U.S. has created blocks to the needed “resources/labor/willingness” part of the equation, and indeed the leaders better start fixing these problems. I stated this also in my statement “This spells opportunity plain and simple but only if responsible government leaders and businessmen move it in the right direction.”

      I would say #3 above is the biggest problem. I don’t buy your thought that “the U.S. exports very little today.” Though I didn’t personally verify and research the recent report/link I saw that U.S. manufacturing is significantly rising. Here is the link.

      http://www.dailymarkets.com/economy/2011/02/11/exports-to-china-surge-to-record-level-in-dec-10b-exports-to-china-have-grown-faster-25yr-than-imports-14-5yr-since-2000/

      No, I did not delve more deeply into that report on rising U.S. exports.

      I am always oversimplifying, I admit it! Chinese are oh so smart and practical in business and they know that a rising currency will hurt their export sector. They need more time to build up domestic consumption, which is real and rising, despite 90% of the slanted, ignorant media content I read suggesting otherwise.

      So in keeping with oversimplifying; Bernanke and friends are brilliant. In fact they are doing exactly and only what the Chinese are doing; they need and want a lower currency, for many reasons. China won’t move the value as they should, fine, two can play that game; we’ll print more of ours to make the USD cheaper then which causes two things we need; nflate away the out of control debt situation and stimulate exports/investment. As stated and understood by every intelligent person here; none of this helps the lower/middle class Americans who have been raked over the coals and turned into sheep.

      Keep a final point in mind always; The U.S. China relationship is the single, most important and powerful geo-political and economic relationship on planet earth. #1 and fast-rising #2, impacting all else that goes on. Scary times.

      Cheers! Mario

    • Robert February 26, 2011, 5:05 am

      “China won’t move the value as they should, fine, two can play that game; we’ll print more of ours to make the USD cheaper then which causes two things we need; nflate away the out of control debt situation and stimulate exports/investment.”

      -Agreed, but there is another effect (at least as long as the RNB peg is in place)- weakening the dollar will simultaneously weaken the yuan, which promotes increased internal chinese price pressure- yes?

      This is the other game being played- the game of inflation chicken.

      Who will blink first?

      you may not like my response, but I personally think that even with how down in the dumps the US is right now, the Chinese economy’s leverage factor suggests to me that when China runs out of financiers for all the empty buildings, there isn’t going to be a “pop” – there’s going to be an implosion. That’s only an opinion.

  • Other Paul February 25, 2011, 6:49 am

    Excellent reply to Mario and great comments, above.

    I don’t think that most people in the US make a connection between debt monetization (and QEs) and the price increases we are seeing now, including gains in the stock market averages.

    Most people attribute price gains to the rich “soaking” their customers and the rich owners of businesses just getting richer. Even when the financial system had a near-death experience in Sep-Oct 2008, most people didn’t realize what was happening (hence few bank runs).

    The US federal, state and local governments, and numerous charities have created an incredible array of safety nets in the US, such as Social Security, extended unemployment benefits, etc.

    I’m not ignoring the existence of the millions of people living on the edge in the US. Safety nets have kept most of them with at least some food shelter and medical care.

    Only when those nets start developing serious holes will there be serious civil problems in the US. Even then, the reasons for the terrible damage to the dollar’s value will not be know to 95% of the population.

    I could go on about how most people do not recognize the extent of official, government-run Ponzi schemes, but I’m preaching to the choir here. Just look at the protesters in Wisconsin ignoring the fact that the state is broke. Oh, but there will be QE3 to solve the non-federal debt problems, right?

    • Martin Snell February 25, 2011, 1:58 pm

      On Wisconsin, I believe you misunderstand. The state is not “broke”. It is in better shape than most. The fiscal crisis precipitated by the Governor is due in part to tax cuts granted to business (and not paid for). The unions had agreed to many of the cuts. The real issue is an attempt to bust the unions (as noted in his phony conversation with a fake Koch brother), and to sell off state assets without review.

      There are some very serious state budget issues but Walker is clearly a “goon”. His approach is the wrong way to go, and in fact may ultimately delay needed change as he has woken a hibernating opposition.

      As for a US safety net, really? The real issue is the disparity between rich and poor. Cutting taxes on the rich (without paying for them, or for unnecessary wars) and thereby widening the gap has made the US a much more unstable regime.

      &&&&&&

      Nothing bad can result from giving tax cuts to “business” — and the bigger the tax cuts, the better for all of us. “Business” is not some swindler out to cheat us. “Business” is in fact what puts food on the table of workers and pays their mortgages and rent. RA

    • Martin Snell February 25, 2011, 6:48 pm

      Rick you are kidding, right?

      Businesses get schooled workers, roads, police, fire etc. Are they supposed to get these for free? Corporate welfare?

      As for tax cuts in general I have no problem, as long as they are paid for, in advance! Once the government runs a surplus it can hand out cuts. Until then, no bloody way! This idea of tax cuts funding themselves has always been and still is voodoo economics.

      I saw how Canada got out of their debt crisis in the 1990’s. Each year they underforcasted revenue and overforcasted expenses, projecting only a small surplus, yet each year they ended with a nice surplus. This kept the spenders from trying to spend more and the tax cutters from trying to cut too early. Tax cuts only came AFTER.

    • Robert February 25, 2011, 10:40 pm

      “Businesses get schooled workers, roads, police, fire etc. Are they supposed to get these for free? Corporate welfare?”

      All these things can be capitalized via private enterprise- there is no law of nature that requires infrastructure or education to be funded via taxation and redistribution.

      I pay taxes that help fund the public schools in my town, and yet my kids do not attend public school. Why am I not entitled to a refund of these taxes?

      Industrial and municipal co-ops maintained most of the country’s roads prior to the industrial revolution.

      The public treasury should always maintain a surplus in order to deal with New Zealand style disasters. It is unfortunate that New Zealand is being pushed onto “page 2” of the news, but imagine for a second what the US fiscal situation will look like when a Magnitude 8+ hits SoCal…

    • Cam Fitzgerald February 26, 2011, 2:20 am

      Great points Other Paul. It is baffling to me how those in Wisconsin (and elsewhere) make demands for entitlements that were created in better times when it is clear the coffers are currently empty.

      You are correct that the reality of the situation has just not sunk in yet. The unions are in effect demanding that they have rights ahead of everyone else, that their own benefits, pensions, job security etcetera be protected with a favoured status. This is a “them, not us” kind of dispute. Sharing the pain is not on the agenda.

      While they do not demand this in so many words, the effect is the same. There is a recognition that standards of living are dropping already, that salary, wage and benefit cutbacks are inevitable and that significant job losses are on the horizon. It is therefore urgent for them to protect their interests before rights erode further and before others cotton on that they are also going to see economic loss and various forms of budget restraint as a result of capitulation to unionist demands.

      Too late though. The well is already dry and everyone will have to share in the coming re-shuffling of resources as financial reality meets with a long overdue correction and state budgets attempt to seek balance and equilibrium again.

      The current conflict there is very different from our grandfathers union demands where workers sought a fair share in the wealth that companies generated.

      This fight has nothing to do with fat corporate profits being retained wholly by business owners and their shareholders. These screeching demands are for continued taxpayer support that was given in better economic times. There are no “fat” profits to take a share in here.

      That is why the arguments do not resonate with many who only see they will be saddled with massive future obligations and tax increases. The union movement is now a victim of its own long term success.

      Too bad it did not have the sense to know where to draw the line when it first envisioned the expansion of its activities into the public sphere and sought to draw greater incomes out of the pockets of all citizens instead of confining its demands to the profit generating companies of earlier days.

      I feel that the public sector should be amongst the first of groups to accept rollbacks and wage reductions in a time like this. They should do so by exactly the same logic that they themselves used and voted on when they demanded more money and better benefits on the basis that the economy was in healthy shape.

      The sword cuts both way as they shall all soon learn.

    • Robert February 26, 2011, 4:38 am

      “This fight has nothing to do with fat corporate profits being retained wholly by business owners and their shareholders. These screeching demands are for continued taxpayer support that was given in better economic times. There are no “fat” profits to take a share in here.”

      Cam-

      This is a brilliant point you make. The unions are no longer arguing for fair treatment, better work conditions, or more reasonable hours. Today they argue only for a bigger piece of the taxation/redistribution pie- a pie that is 100% funded by the private sector.

      Pigs at the government trough.

  • Terry S February 25, 2011, 6:31 am

    There will be NO end to QE (1,2 etc. it’s all the same). We will hit Rick’ s end game for the $ ; it’s already begun. Peak oil is here. Rick’s “metric” is next (I liked that one, Rick.) Will gold once again rule as the ‘world’ currency? If so, will we smile when we reflect on our quaint notion of dollar denominated ounces. How 21st century, how Yesterday.

    • Steve February 25, 2011, 7:16 pm

      He who forgets history, dooms himself in the future.

    • Robert February 25, 2011, 10:31 pm

      Or, my personal favorite:

      “Those who fail to learn from history doom themselves to repeat it…”

  • fnpmitchreturns February 25, 2011, 6:00 am

    HI Rick, crazy and stupid is what I call the current FED QE policy! Where is the real production added to GDP? We didn’t make anything but we made the dollar worth-less so more are floating around and people feel rich because they have more money in their pocket? This is just accounting magic and it is intended to make America’s assetts grow so more T-notes can be sold. Bernanke talked about this in a paper about asset bubbles. Have you read Bernanke and gertlers 1999 paper “Monetary Policy and Asset Price Volatility” and you can see the maddness that Bernanke is working on. And if you look at what is needed ot other forces will negate all positive effect of the attempted economic activity. What good accounting standards, what good regulatory appratus is watching the foxes? The answer is no one is home and even the FED doesn’t know what the real money supply is because of fractional banking and quad-trillion or more worth of derivatives floating around just waiting to be called in!

    • Robert February 25, 2011, 3:58 pm

      Bernanke is NOT an Economist- He is a statistician.

      To be a good Economist, you have to understand psychology, and the sentiment shifts that underpin economic willingness to exchange labor and capital for personal gain.

      Bernanke only understands the dangling carrot theory

  • Martin Snell February 25, 2011, 4:55 am

    Money will flow in to the US if the dollar goes low enough. It will flow in to buy up Florida and California, farmland, US technology, US resources etc.

    When the US runs a trade deficit it is essentially writing an IOU on US assets in exchange for a foreign good/asset acquired now. The way I see it there is one whack of IOUs outstanding that will be used once the prices of US assets falls far enough. Why spend $1 million for a shoebox in HK when you can have a beach side condo for $100K (or less).

    The US is about to see what many countries used to experience at the hands of the US, their prime assets getting bought up by foreigners.

    It still blows my mind that Americans can not be talked into driving more fuel efficient vehicles. 1/2 of the trade deficit is due to oil, oil that is wasted driving Lincoln Navigators to the 7/11, but oil that costs an IOU on some future US asset. I would have thought that Americans might be a tad more “aware” that nothing comes for free ….

    The road to recovery actually runs right through higher gas prices. Let’s start with $6, going up by 50 cents a year until imports drop to zero. The tax needed to do this would help reduce the federal and state deficits, and help reduce the trade deficit as people used less. Money would flow into fuel efficient cars and into a redesign of society around more realistically priced energy – a nice kick-start to the economy as a bonus.

    • Robert February 25, 2011, 3:54 pm

      “Money will flow in to the US if the dollar goes low enough. It will flow in to buy up Florida and California, farmland, US technology, US resources etc. ”

      -Gee, Martin- you mean it won’t flow into buy up all the decrepit factories in Detroit and Cleveland, and re-capitalize the labor markets in those cities with the same cushy big-union jobs that Obama is promising the residents there?

      Well, if the Chinese come in and buy arable land and start financing food production, at least there will be plenty of jobs in the fields, and shovelling horse manure out of stalls; and if the global dollar supply does to prices and nominal incomes what I expect it too, then hey- maybe those field workers WILL be back to earning their 6 figure income, as they swing their $1000 manure shovels, and pick their $1 apiece strawberries…

      I guess they’ll be every bit as rich as the average Zimbabwean trillionaire.

      Societal bliss. I can hardly wait

      &&&&&&&

      End of argument, really, and you’ve made the point beautifully: Foreign investment in the U.S. implies a lower standard of living for most Americans. RA

    • Benjamin February 25, 2011, 5:32 pm

      Balanced trade is impossible without hard money weight.

      Put shortly, this one ounce silver round in my hand could create as much currency in any country as the market demand dictates.

      That’s what makes the ownership of said weight desirable; currency weights can and should change according to what people can afford to coin in their respective countries. In turn, lower weighted currencies (by market supply) cause investments and exports, until such a time that weights shift to favor the nations that were previously importers.

      This can never, ever be gotten out of paper or digits. Some would say that revaluations are the same as devaluations…

      http://www.usconstitution.net/constfaq_q154.html

      But that is easily refuted. Simply halve a trillion dollars X times and see how much a trillion dollars are worth afterwords. It is going to be worth less than what you started with. Now revalue a currency _weight_ downward. What has been devalued? Nothing. New money is created, spent, revalued upward/downward by market demand, again allowing exporters to become importers and vice versa.

      Of course, that doesn’t exactly disempower all the good shepherd, “benevolent” dictators that you like so much, does it Martin?

    • Steve February 25, 2011, 7:14 pm

      “. . .That’s what makes the ownership of said weight desirable; currency weights can and should change according to what people can afford to coin in their respective countries.”

      You are right Ben. The united States was successful with this contract clause: ”

      To coin Money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign Coin. . . “, Article I, sec. 8, cls. 5.

      Why are we all in trouble ? Look at the capitalization and then ask Rick to tell everyone else what the small “c”, and big “C” mean.

    • mario cavolo February 26, 2011, 2:11 am

      You bet Robert, Rick,

      This is SUCH a key point perhaps summarized also as to say that a falling dollar is not going to help the lower/middle income class Americans who are being hurt the most by the changes and shenanigans that have been and continue to take place; those whose circumstances are in decline face a huge fundamental socioeconomic shift.

      Except to say, out of the hellish ashes of change do come some opportunity; as entrepreneurs they could somehow get involved in new growing business opportunities in the United States, of which the exporting sector is one, and selling stuff to the rich incoming foreigners and their money the other.

    • Ledbedder February 26, 2011, 1:58 pm

      It is called freedom of choice. I have a suggestion: let us drill in all 50 states. Tell the eco-Marxist/Fascist to go to hell and we’re going to help ouselves to what God/nature gave us!