Is U.S. Economy’s Long Decline Terminal?

We veer well off the beaten path with this week’s Question of the Week:  What could conceivably reverse the U.S. economy’s decline of the last 40 years?  Although I’d initially considered limiting the dialogue to optimistic points of view to stretch readers’ imaginations, a sunshine-and-lollipops requirement might prove to be a non-starter in this forum.  And so, if you truly believe that there is nothing you can think of that would reverse the implosion of America’s standard of living, feel free to vent your pessimism.

Implosion?  Some will argue that the very word overstates the problem – or that the problem doesn’t exist. They will point out that the stock market is trading at all-time highs, that their next-door neighbor just spent $40,000 on a kitchen remodel, that another recently took his family on an Alaskan cruise, and that a 60-inch TV is well within the reach of every family that wants one.

‘Shop Till You Drop’

Is America great, then, or what?  It depends. If your credo is “Shop till you drop!” then yes, one could argue that we are indeed living in the very best of times. But others, including your editor, would say that although the easy availability of “stuff” is arguably at a civilizational high, some non-material things that matter a great deal more to our well-being have receded beyond the reach of the broad middle class.  Consider the following:

  • Private-sector workers are no longer able to save enough to retire at 65 if at all.
  • Stay-at-home mothers have become a luxury that fewer and fewer households can afford.
  • Even double-income families are having to borrow heavily to put the kids through college.
  • New graduates face a bleak job market for which the degree skills they acquired are ill-suited.
  • Retirees who held good jobs during their working lives are having to take minimum-wage jobs to make ends meet.
  • Impressive as advances in medical technology might seem, we are no healthier than we were when doctors still made house calls.
  • Public and private debt total at least $150 trillion, implying that our children, their children, and their children’s children will be working overtime just to pay the interest on that sum, never mind retiring the principal

Is there a way out of this rut?  I seriously doubt it. But if, for the sake of argument, I were to accept the premise that a bottom will eventually be reached, and then to imagine that “something” will lift the economy from its still-deepening trough, that “something” would come from America’s success in solving the world’s energy problems.  And although the holy grail of cold fusion may lie beyond even Yankee know-how, that is not to say that some other, inexhaustible source of clean energy cannot be found.

Self-Sufficient in Energy

In the meantime, our abundant supply of natural gas could make America self-sufficient in energy within the decade, providing a powerful boost to the manufacturing sector. Voila! We are back in the race, able to compete globally, and therefore to accumulate the savings we’ll need to overhaul and modernize industry.

And yes, I’m well aware of how easy it is to shoot down all of this. For starters, fracking may not produce nearly as much natural gas as proponents have claimed. And any factories we build that can compete with the low-wage likes of China, India, North Korea and Brazil may use so few workers that they would have little impact on unemployment that seems, with the Great Recession, to have become intractable.

But that is not the point of this exercise. If the U.S. economy is not headed into oblivion over the next 50 years, but rather toward a gradual or even dramatic improvement, how might that happen?

  • Jill October 7, 2013, 1:34 am

    It’s the welfare for corporations and the super wealthy that is most responsible for the federal deficit. But unfortunately most Congress people have their election campaigns paid for by corporate welfare recipients. We need to pass a Constitutional amendment to overturn Citizens United.

  • gary leibowitz October 6, 2013, 5:32 am

    During the Clinton years we were definitely on the right track. Economy firing on all cylinders, as close as we ever got to a balanced budget, and manageable debt. If we actually stuck to that agenda we would not be having this talk. What we need is politicians voted in specifically to tackle this problem, without ideology or rhetoric getting in the way. The sequester is a cowards way out, even though it is working as intended.

    Small common-sense changes can make a big difference in 10 years time. I would start at the top tier where there is meaningless subsidies such as social security for all, health care premiums on a income scale, and abandon corporate welfare all together. These should be easy decisions where the vast majority of the citizens see no pain. It would be a start. Governments should work it out like private non-profit companies have.

    We have to stop the divisiveness and compromise. We also have to stop the idea that political office means a career of wealth and power. To do this we need enough people already in power to present self-sacrificing laws and rules to be enacted. Strict term limits in a way that prevents one from jumping from one political position to another. Strip all special perks, like pensions and medical insurance. Transparent financial disclosures before, during and after their service.

    I am not foolish enough to think these ideal changes will ever come to pass, but in reality all is needed is a step in the right direction. First stay focused on the debt without falling back on party lines, even if each party takes a political hit for it. This can be achieved. I suspect it will only happen after the next crisis, and perhaps too late.

    Contrary to what most here think, there is still time to change our ways. It is a matter of will and understanding the urgency. Perhaps I will be proven wrong and we do start making the necessary changes. Our addiction to government handouts for some, and government life-lines for others will surely be cured if we continue on this destructive path.

  • Jill October 3, 2013, 7:49 pm

    I prefer Rich’s real Libertarian 3rd party solution– where the pork gets cut out of the budget so it can eventually become balanced– where the pork really gets cut– not just lip service like Republicans do about budget balancing. To hear them talk, you would think it was Bush or Reagan, not Clinton, who left office with a budget surplus.

    • Oregon October 4, 2013, 4:00 pm

      Hard to stop drinking that Kool-Aid when it tastes so damn good; eh Jill?

      • Jill October 7, 2013, 1:31 am

        Yeah, Oregon, I think drinking the Kool-Aid is what you are doing all right. Clinton left office with a budget surplus. It’s a fact– a concept unknown to you perhaps.

      • Oregon October 7, 2013, 5:29 am

        The ‘fact’ that you think that the illusion that Clinton and his braintrust, Rubin and Greenspan created had nothing to do with the mess we are in is priceless.

  • Jill October 3, 2013, 7:27 pm

    Jason, you would prefer that the U.S. Treasury default on its debt? That would certainly cause a world financial crisis worse than 2008 and cause a lot more people to lose their money than just the people invested in Treasury bonds. Do you have your entire net worth in put options then?

    • Jason S October 3, 2013, 7:51 pm

      Jill, the question posted was what do you think could reverse the economy; not, what can reverse the economy without pain. We are left with nothing but bad choices going forward since we never made hard choices when we had better potential outcomes.

      I agree that a restructuring will result in calamity at least in the short run, not only for us but for other nations as well but that calamity is on them for bad risk taking. Dont forget that the $17 trillion we owe in federal debt is small compared to the total private and public debt figure of about $55 trillion. We cannot sustain that or grow out of that in a reasonable period of time so it must be restructured or that debt acts like a cancer retarding growth and killing the economy. You, me and everyone else may not like the ramifications of it but it is reality. There is no Willie Wonka to come to our aid with magic unicorns and rainbows.

  • Jason S October 3, 2013, 7:09 pm

    I think three things would be necessary for a true, sustainable recovery:

    1. True tort reform that penalizes the prosecutor and prosecuting attorney that initiate predatory and frivolous lawsuits. Also caps and restrictions on judgments issued; having $100,000+ malpractice insurance premiums is egregiously wasteful.

    2. An amendment to the constitution that restricts government employees (congress, president and legislative bodies included) from having any better perks or entitlements than the rest of the nation receives. Perhaps capping their benefits to not allow them to exceed more than what the average American receives.

    3. We need to allow for a general debt reduction. I would prefer for it to be a default where the investors who took the risk suffer rather than it being a depreciation of the dollar where the prudent saver gets stuck with the bill. But that is the only thing I can think of that will allow us to begin growing again because the debt overhang has become prohibitively large.

    • Carol October 4, 2013, 2:41 pm

      Jason >>”An amendment to the constitution ”

      This is where so so many people get lost. They wonder why the “government” doesn’t follow the CONstitution any longer and they wonder (or should) why it took a CONstitutional amendment to “prohibit” the manufacture, sale, and use of alcohol in the 1920s but today it does NOT take any such CONstitutional amendments to “prohibit” any other form of recreational drug. They wonder why the WH gets away with going to war without a CONgressional vote. But they don’t take the time to find out why.

      Wake up people the CONstitution is not used, followed, or cared about for ONE VALID LEGAL REASON and one reason only. The “government” today is not, and was not formed by the CONstitution. The governments everywhere in the North American continent are ONLY private corporations. They “govern” you ONLY through your voluntary contracting with them. Once you realize that Contracts are the law, and the law is contract you will see your world totally different.

      If you disbelieve me then look up any “government” corporation in Dunn and Bradstreets listing of businesses or try Manta for listings of businesses. You will find them all from the “highest” UNITED STATES corporation to the INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE private corporation on down to your states, county, courts, judges, senators (yes senators and congressmen are listed as separate corporations). Try it!

      At the below link you can find the following
      “More Details for Internal Revenue Service

      Internal Revenue Service in Washington, DC is a private company categorized under State Government-Finance and Taxation. Our records show it was established in and incorporated in District of Columbia. ”

      http://www.manta.com/c/mr53k2q/internal-revenue-service

      Quit being CONned. The sooner everyone understands this sooooooooo very important aspect the sooner we can get on with getting a remedy instead of constantly complaining!!

      • Buster October 4, 2013, 10:52 pm

        Some really great posts here this week guys, but if truth be known this is probably the most pertinent to the problem at hand.
        Carol, thanks for the reminder that it’s all a legal matter. We used to have Steve to remind us of these fascinating details behind the ‘CON’ game, sadly he’s been absent for quite some time.
        Ultimately, I suspect the solution to the World’s woes will be a legal one, fearsome & terrible in it’s delivery upon our lawless, predatory & compassionless ‘state(s)’..who’s injustices are piling up for anyone who cares to notice. If the state’s main responsibility is to ensure justice & the foundation of a nation is in the legal protection of property rights, as that of a society is in the family, then a real turnaround is nowhere in sight. Indeed, we move further away from it with each & every supreme decree, imposed by paid thugs, as reports of police increasingly seizing the property of citizens rather than protecting them seems to testify.
        Still, stocks are up so I don’t suppose any of this lawlessness matters after all??
        “Therefore, wait upon me,” says Yahweh, “until the day that I rise up to the prey,…for it is my judicial decision, to gather nations & kingdoms, to pour out my burning anger upon them”

        ……Whether real or delusion, either way we’re in a serious lot of trouble!

  • mava October 3, 2013, 5:29 pm

    What is an economy? It is simple, very simple: I grow food for you to eat and you make shoes for me to wear. This is it. The end of the lesson one. There is really nothing to be added here.

    Lesson two? Exchange fairly. Define fairly? At the rate mutually agreed upon. Do this, and you will have the economy, because what the economy is, simply people working to satisfy each other needs.

    So, there are no natural “problems” in the world that would prevent the economy from working. There is never any “problems”, such as “the energy problems” or any other such thing.

    The only problems there are, are the artificial problems. These, will stop the economy cold. We saw it in practice in USSR. The government prevented the people from exchanging the good fairly, and the economy collapsed.

    The economy of US is going to collapse, as well, soon. Not because of any natural problems. Nope. Simply because of the artificial problem – the US Government preventing the people of the US and the world from exchanging their goods fairly. That is the sole problem there is, but this will ruin any economy.

    How does the US Government does it? The US Government for whatever the reason learned to steal the goods and to “redistribute” them, and I don’t even care for what reason or how appropriately, because none of this justification junk matters to economy. No economy in the world ever gives a crap about whether some child goes hungry or not. Sorry. It just couldn’t care less. The economy needs one thing and one thing only, – that the people exchange freely. What matters is that the US government is interfering with the fair exchange – meaning that it is interfering with the exchange of goods at mutually agreed upon rates.

    How does it interfere?

    Take a look at the US Debt. What you are looking at is NOT DEBT. That is only a lie, to provide a clothes or the naked king. You are looking at the ledger of stolen purchasing power. You are looking at the most accurate (as far as it is knowable) record of the purchasing power that the US Government had forcibly stole from its own people and those of the rest of the world. Say thanks to your armed forces – they worked hard to prepare this disaster.

    This isn’t anything “owed” to ourselves or anybody else, not anymore than the extra playing card ace, pulled out from your sleeve, is “owed” to the game. It is stolen, and it will never be returned because people are not robots, – they can NEVER keep their promises in absence of a system forcing them to account for those. All the money stolen were spent already, and OF COURSE there are no means to earn something to replace something taken ahead, that were’t available to begin with. The stolen money weren’t spent on business, the stolen purchasing power wasn’t “invested” in the productive enterprise.

    No, it was boiled down to nothing. It was used to feed the worthless, meaningless free-riders, such as he government, the extended families of it’s “workers”, and those who vote to keep the thieves in power.

    The economic meaning of what was done is this: We have seen the capital of America, it’s seed bank, being taken out and burned through, and now it is simply isn’t there. I hope you think it was worth it. I hope having worthless trash around is important enough to you, to make it worth the country that is now gone.

    And the second way that the US government interfered with people’s exchange of goods is by creating ALL the regulations. It (the US Government) should have only been busy with making sure no one is using the physical force on anyone else. Instead, it used the physical force on almost everyone, except the worthless people trash themselves.

    because of these two major interventions, the capital of America is now burned through and gone. From now one we can foresee the consequences easily. The math is simple. You must have a given capital (in the meaning of the seed bank, stored purchasing power) in order to go on. If not, no one will survive. So, since we can not obtain the wasted capital on a whim of magical stick, we will not obtain it at all. From here, any Einstein should be able to understand, that the only way to make the rule is to decrease the number of people supposed to survive this situation. I don’t know the numbers, but, for instance, one tenth of the population might be able to survive, because given that everybody else is gone, then the remainder of the capital divided by the one tenth of the people might be enough of a seed bank to go on.

    The economy is no joke. Mess with it, and you will receive deadly consequences. We had messed with it. We can not undo what we have allowed the US government to do. It is simply time to pay the piper.

    Still think you had put your children in debt? Ha-ha-ha!
    I pity you and your willingness to believe in such a simple lies, just to satisfy your lack of discipline!

    No, you have killed your children, not put them in debt. And you know it. Stop lying to yourself.

    The drums of war are starting up. You know it. You have heard Bill Gates years ago trying to speak to those who listen. Yes, he lied too. He didn’t say we now have to kill most of the people to survive, – no, he said we have overpopulated the earth. Ha-ha. Does it matter the excuse? The end is all the same – we now have to do what we have to do.

    It is not the first time in human history they must make the war and talk the dumbest ones into fighting it, and the bring it to the least prepared so that they can be sacrificed. We had one around hundred years ago, and for the same exact reasons.

    The way nature deals with over-spenders is very brutal. You will maintain the ratio of spending to capital, no mater which way you will arrive to it: by productively (freely) working and using honest money (fairly exchanging) or by cutting down the number of children you will be able to support. Your choice.

    In our case, we had been voting for the later since most of us can remember.

    • Paul October 4, 2013, 6:34 am

      Mava,

      This is a solid argument you’re making.

      “What you are looking at is NOT DEBT…. You are looking at the ledger of stolen purchasing power.”

      Please spell out the above a little more.

  • VegasBob October 3, 2013, 9:00 am

    If the health insurance exchanges are an indication of America’s future economic health, we might as well just kill off this sorry economy now and start over.

    The online Washington State health plan finder is a complete abortion. It blew up while I tried to create an ID. Then it wouldn’t recognize the ID or allow me to re-create it. And it was tied to my e-mail address so I couldn’t create an alternate ID with my e-mail address.

    After that disaster was fixed, my online application blew up and gave me an “unable to process” message, with the suggestion that I telephone during business hours.

    I’m not sure what point there is to having an online system health insurance application system that simply doesn’t work, other than to create mountains of mindless paperwork for overpaid bureaucrats to play with.

    I’ve already done my research through the Washington State Insurance Commission, and there is only one insurer that writes policies in Clark County, Washington anyway. So it’s not like I have any choice of health plans anyway. I either take it up the wazoo from the single monopolist insurer, or get hit with the IRS “penalty.”

    I’m beginning to think the Obummer should stick his health care “reform” law where the sun don’t shine.

    I’m seriously considering defying the Obummercare mandate and refusing to pay the penalty. According to the current version of the law, the IRS cannot levy financial accounts or put liens on property. The IRS can only withhold the penalty from a tax refund.

    Since I pay estimated taxes, the chances of me ever having a tax refund in my life are approximately zero.

    So how is the IRS ever going to collect a penalty from me?

  • Rich October 2, 2013, 4:53 am

    MA said in a timely gold piece today that “Our Daily Bearish Reversal lies at 1283”
    Curiously enough, Dec gold traded to a panic Low Today of
    1,276.90 and then traded higher, last 1293:

    http://armstrongeconomics.com/2013/10/01/gold-the-problem-we-face/

    RPMGF collapsed to a three-year low 0f .124, then also closed higher.

    Buy fear and sell greed, tough to do, but can be profitable with trailing stops in and out

  • Jill October 1, 2013, 10:24 pm

    Two wolves and a lamb are voting on what to eat for lunch. The Republican and Democrat wolves both vote to eat the budget conscious Libertarian lamb. The Libertarian lamb, as usual, decides to vote with the Republicans, because they give lip service to balancing the budget. So it’s unanimous, lamb chops for lunch then. Everyone dig in.

    • Redwilldanaher October 1, 2013, 11:04 pm

      Many libertarians do not waste time voting.

      • Rich October 2, 2013, 4:56 am

        Maybe that’s why they won no national offices.

        We are working in Las Vegas to register more Libertarians and be the first

      • Redwilldanaher October 2, 2013, 12:50 pm

        Frontal assault on the empire will be crushed. Even if it weren’t it would take generations. We don’t have that much time.

      • Rich October 3, 2013, 1:55 am

        Most good ideas are met with skepticism.
        The world does not belong to skeptics,
        but to those willing to make a better difference.

    • Rich October 3, 2013, 1:53 am

      Sigh

      • Rich October 3, 2013, 1:56 am

        Off to more productive exchange…

      • Redwilldanaher October 3, 2013, 4:32 pm

        Breakaway republics went off to more productive paths, go as you will…

      • Jill October 3, 2013, 7:23 pm

        Rich, good luck to you. If you and others can get together some people who will actually work toward budget reduction, and toward having a third party rather than just having libertarians who always side with Republicans, a lot of good might be done.

        You may say I am a skeptic, but I am just pointing out the history of libertarians going along with Republicans because they give lip service only to debt reduction and do nothing about it. Those who are ignorant of history are doomed to repeat it, as the saying goes. If you and others with you can change this course of history in the future, then more power to you. I am all for a manageable, and eventually balance, budget.

  • Brian Hemeryck October 1, 2013, 10:16 pm

    A few things I’ve learned and have been taught over the years.
    1. Speak the simple truth and respect the views of others.
    2. Use the brains that were given you to think about what is presented to you.
    3. Save 20% of what you make. Give 10% to those who struggle in their lives. Never borrow unless it is to buy your land or your home.
    4. Beware of all politicians.
    5. Be gentle to the earth. Grow your own fruit and vegetables and learn (like our parents) how to can and preserve food.

    This humble Canadian thinks that it will get really bad before we get back to basics. We have replaced goodness and morality with consumerism.

    I do like the comments on this site.

    Brian

    • Redwilldanaher October 1, 2013, 11:05 pm

      Nice job Brian.

  • Oregon October 1, 2013, 5:55 pm

    Since few have answered the call of reversing the slide of the last 40 years…
    How ’bout getting rid of… say… Half The Population! We could solve just about all the problems, worldwide: Unemployment, Entitlements, Pollution, Crime, Depression…
    We manage directly or indirectly the population of every other species on the planet, why not ourselves?
    Best part is we make it voluntary…

    “Leisure Space Industries is happy to offer a six month dream vacation into space. If you are over the age of 18, single or married without children, or with children, but not paying child support, you are eligible. Vacation prices are based on income, but no one will be denied. This trip offers unlimited gaming with thousands of Playstation and XBox games to choose from, unlimited internet surfing, unlimited movie viewing, unlimited sports viewing, and unlimited porn. You can also enjoy unlimited food and beverage provided by McDonald’s, Burger King, Taco Bell, Carls Jr., Jack in the Box, and many more. There are too many other leisure activities to list here, and you deserve them all from your comfort-adjustable chair, while being waited on hand and foot. To reserve your spot just text ‘I deserve more’, or ‘Gots to get mine’s’ to 666-911-1984.”

    Once in space we just dump them in a low earth orbit, where, if well distributed they will form a sort of filtered light that will reverse climate change, call it ‘climate unchange’, or if you are oldschool, instead of global warming or cooling, call it ‘global just right’. The trick will be getting over 3 billion people into space within 6 months so they don’t catch on.
    This won’t fix the ponzi financial schemes that depend on population growth, but I think it will be a fair trade.

    • Oregon October 1, 2013, 6:13 pm

      I almost forgot the most important part…

      “Enjoy free, unlimited narcotics.”

      Would have gotten maybe 2 billion at best without that.

    • Rich October 2, 2013, 6:04 am

      Elysium, Hunger Games, Zombies and all the apocalyptic films setting the stage

  • Tiburon October 1, 2013, 4:54 pm

    Hi Folks, (always lurking, rarely commenting).
    Don’t have time to read the thread today so forgive if I’m repeating something already posted. Rick’s comment about how ‘energy advances’ might be a mechanism to change the dismal prospects for the economy, caught my eye.
    Professor Lerner and his Focus Fusion (google it) team are very far along with development of their plasma focus reactor – light years beyond the Tokomak fusion boondoggle dead end (you cannot ‘bottle’ plasma, you have to work WITH its’ instabilities).
    These reactors will be the size of a pickup truck, radiation and waste free, and affordably power a large neighborhood or small town.
    Maybe five years out to manufacture, but astonishingly (or maybe not so), hampered in part by funding issues, beyond the surmountable technical challenges.
    Right in the USA. He’s a bit of a giant genius, the story so far being a tale of everything that is wrong with government.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhKB-VxJWpg
    Focus Fusion
    http://www.focusfusion.org/

    • Rich October 3, 2013, 2:10 am

      Does Ford have an interest?

  • ter October 1, 2013, 4:26 pm

    A wiser man has suggested a major step toward liberty could be taken with three short laws. Abolish/repeal the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, and all subsequent laws relating to it. Abolish withholding for all Federal taxes. Change the deadline for filing all federal income tax returns to the first Monday in November, so voters would be mindful every second year how much–payable in a single lump sum– the national government is costing them. It’s worth contemplating.

    • Rich October 2, 2013, 6:03 am

      Love it, thanks ter

    • Carol October 2, 2013, 3:51 pm

      If you abolish the fed the income tax will not be needed. It was passed simultaneous with the federal reserve act not coincidentally but purposefully. The “income tax” is used to symphony out enough money from the economy to keep inflation from running wild. Oh and of course to socially engineer society to their needs and agendas.

      • Carol October 2, 2013, 3:53 pm

        symphony = siphon bad spell corrector.

      • Rich October 3, 2013, 12:52 am

        Carol, you bring up a good point.
        The IRS was also collateral for Fed usury,
        which FDR bound tighter with payroll withholding.

        Only thing is, like that inventor of chess who asked his grateful king as reward to merely double a grain of rice on each square until the board was filled, the total US interest now exceeds total US tax revenues:

        http://usdebtclock.org/

  • BKL October 1, 2013, 2:36 pm

    Do something, anything, to get people out of their cars.

  • Glenn October 1, 2013, 2:52 am

    Self Sufficient Nation. We need to go the route of the Self Sufficient Nation. We need a movement. This is not necessarily an isolationalist, xenophobic approach, only to the extent that it requires that we take the necessary steps to depend on ourselves and not others (non-citizens) for our subsistence. Do we really need foreigners to make everything we consume?
    We have 316 million people (~4.4% of world’s total of 7.1 billion) and roughly 7.3% of the world’s arable land. It’s not our fault that others have chosen to overpopulate. If we have an abundance of food and other necessities we should help out those in need. Right now this is not the case, but it could be (as it has in the past)
    The Self Sufficient Nation approach requires that our massive trade deficits must be abolished. We should push for a constitutional amendment to this effect. The reason being quite simple – in the long run, our trade deficits will lead to either ownership of America by foreigners, or the destruction of the dollar, or both.
    Every year, we export something on the order of $500-700B in IOU’s to foreigners. Something has to give in the long run. Now, suppose the foreigners, instead of buying our bonds, simply decide to buy $500-700B of our land every year. How long will it take until the American citizens own nothing? It’s already happening in California from what people tell me – Chinese cash coming in to buy up everything in sight. China just bought 5% of the Ukraine, why wouldn’t America be next? Two trillion dollars sitting around in cash is still a lot of money these days.
    Maybe we heard this tune before – in the 1980’s we feared that the Japanese would soon take over the world, they did everything better, took over the automobile and electronics industries and were buying up Rockefeller Center. The Japanese threat receded as their bubble burst.
    Now I believe the situation is much more dire. Of course, we can’t just suddenly declare that all unbalanced trade is illegal; we need a gradual approach. But a recognition of the problem is required. I don’t recall a single mention of our trade deficit in the presidential debates, albeit some China bashing. However, China is not to blame – it is our government / leaders that has allowed this to happen, and since the people theoretically select their leaders, it is We the people who have let it happen. We need awareness, and action. In a self sufficient nation, the people fend for ourselves and live good. They trade with other nations in a balanced way.
    We need to make our own toys, even if some temporary sacrifice is required. The logistics is another problem, but some great minds and men and women of action can make it happen.

    • Rich October 2, 2013, 6:02 am

      There is a deliberate bank corporate foundation union link between budget deficits, trade deficits, offshoring jobs and importing illegal subsidized labour.

      Congress so far has not held these miscreants who funded them liable.

      We are the first campaign we know to limit our donations to $100 or less per person per campaign.

      So far we octupled our Twitter followers in just over two weeks

      • mario cavolo October 3, 2013, 8:59 am

        Rich, perhaps via my linkedin or twitter, can you contact me please if you’re so inclined, reticent to post an email address publicly and get it spambotted to ruin…Mario

  • Redwilldanaher September 30, 2013, 8:32 pm

    Rich, tour de force! Only disagree on one thing, albeit key: There is no fixing. It isn’t possible at this point. A full reset is needed. A breakup and reformation as a loose confederacy is a better long term solution. A complete break is needed because these so called people that corrupt things are worse than the worst cancer ever observed and they will be back and back and back… They are sociopaths with god complexes and they can’t stop themselves. To prevent a retake-over of all things, you need to make that structurally impossible from the onset, thus, to do away with this built in protection, call it a fail safe, it would require yet another full reset… Otherwise sir, Bravo! I’m still clapping! I am so grateful to see others call Abe out as the puppet tyrant that he was.

    • DK October 1, 2013, 10:25 am

      I, too, am still clapping. Excellent post!

      Love the Honest Abe plug, Judge Andrew Napolitano has done a beautiful job of taking that garbage out.

      After a recent trip to Phila (old city), I am also reminded of The Judge shedding light on the dark side of General Washington. Gruesome.

      • Rich October 2, 2013, 5:55 am

        Thanks RWD and DK
        Yes, it is a formidable if not impossible task to right our ship of state.
        One thing I know is if no one does anything in the 2014 elections, we will not have more of the same, but worse.
        There are several potential false flag grid shutdown events ahead this month and next, currently described as drills, like 9/11 that kept NORAD from scrambling and the Kennedy Library Bombing drill that accompanied the Boston Marathon bombing.
        People are getting wise to all the disappearances of conflicting witnesses and military officers remindful of Stalin purges.
        Twitter is the tool of constructive revolutionaries.
        Currently Benghazi and 0Care are trending.
        It won’t be long.
        @RichardCharlesI

      • DK October 2, 2013, 7:50 am

        Thank you, Rich!

        Aurora theater/Colorado University to boot!

        False flag grid tests, unannounced black helicopter drills, and soon to be VIPR teams complete with their box trucks preparing to mosey down the streets of NYC. Do they still want to put lithium in our water?

        Score another for GMO’s/Monsanto, thanks Vilsack/FDA/Obama! Monsanto employees aren’t treated to that juicy glyphosate in their cafeterias, too bad (sarc). Don’t forget to make sure your organic garden gets tended outside of the WH, Michelle. No GM maize for you and Barry? Hm, you and the other politrickians are exempting yourselves from the Affordable “Care Act” you so generously bestowed upon us, too? Suit yourselves! I’ll probably just pay the fine for the MANDATED services, you’ve “helped” us get. Soylent green on its way? Yum!

    • mario cavolo October 3, 2013, 8:54 am

      Ditto tour de force Rich…enlightening post, especially appreciate reminders of the relatively radical actions Lincoln took…still admire and wish his “of the people by the people for the people” as a standard for sensible guidelines in today’s govt…

      Cheers, Mario

  • Rich September 30, 2013, 7:41 pm

    One more Constitutional Reform, the Constitutional Uniform tax

    Our US Constitution, Article I, Section 8, Paragraph 1 is quite clear duties/taxes must be uniform.

    This is something long ignored by Bank Corporate Lobbyists and Politicians who think they know better than the free market how to pick winners, usually their cronies, at taxpayer expense.

    Churches, foundations, non-profit political organizations and unions pay no taxes, raising the burden on others with less money.

    Corporations in 2013 paid 12% of tax revenues. American citizens picked up most of the other 88%. Citizens paid seven times the taxes of corporations who claim their taxes are too high.

    In fact, because of special interest loopholes, corporations like GE, who employ large staffs of tax preparers hired from the IRS, paid no taxes at all and actually got refunds from other taxpayers, mostly American citizens.

    26 multinational corporations paid no taxes these last four years, despite their record profits.

    The US or California are some of the only tax jurisdictions in the world that tax any income in the world received by their residents, while waiving that for corporations which use offshore tax shelters.

    CA also claims there is no statute of tax limitations, and is embroiled in a multi-decade lawsuit approaching half a billion dollars with a CA computer inventor who moved to business and income tax free Las Vegas in 1991.

    Anyone who thinks this is productive is missing the point, particularly when it turns out CA cries budget deficits while it is sitting on $600 B in reserve assets disclosed by the Comprehensive Annual Financial Reports MSM ignore.

    Most people know the clear relation between reduced taxes and increased economic growth.

    Putin took bankrupt Russia to surplus budgets with the third largest reserves in the world after implementing a flat 13% citizen tax and flat 26% corporate tax.

    Coolidge, Kennedy and Reagan did similar reducing taxes for record economic growth. How often do we hear that from the MSM?

    Along comes a retired Wisconsin economics professor who claims wonders if we replace all of our special interest unproductive taxes with an automatic 28 basis point transparent transaction tax proposed by various Nobel Laureate economists and even presented to the President in 2005:

    http://www.apttax.com/

    Of course the high freq bankers, their lobbyists and politicians do not want this.

    Thus it is imperative that political candidates refuse funding by the usual suspects, or they will never pass the constructive APTTT that will grow and simplify economics and finance for all Americans.

    • Jill October 1, 2013, 12:47 am

      Rich, it remains to be seen whether the Libertarian party can be anything else than a way of gathering votes for Republicans– whose campaigns are paid for by the same crony capitalist welfare queen companies that the libertarians decry. That’s the only function that the Libertarian party has fulfilled so far in American history. Very few libertarians run as, or vote for, independent candidates. Rand Paul, whom libertarians think so highly of, what party did he run from? Not Libertarian.

      Was your worshipped Reagan a Libertarian? No. Did he borrow more heavily than previous presidents? Yes. “In Reagan’s first term, debt owed to the public increased by nearly 91 percent by the end of fiscal year 1985, compared with what it had been at the end of Carter’s fiscal 1981.” Source: below.

      http://www.factcheck.org/2013/03/teds-twisted-history/

      All Libertarians love the fictional budget conscious Republicans like Reagan. The only problem is: they don’t exist in the real world.

      • Rich October 2, 2013, 5:32 am

        Jill, are you suggesting I worship Reagan, who, although he adopted libertarian rhetoric, increased military spending and the Fed debt a record $1.78 T at the time. I also do not support your absolutist statement that All Libertarians love Republicans like Reagan.

        When I applied for White House Fellow, I told RR and McFarlane they were hurting the economy with all the debt leveraging and did not get the coveted position as a result.

        33 years later his “supply side” budget director David Stockman is warning the same thing.

        Although they talked supply-side, they were neoKeynesians driven by neoCons, much like all Presidents since, the reason for the debt and MENA wars mess double destroying our economy and future, making our leaders laughingstocks ripe for one upmanship by Assad, Putin and Rouhani.

        Most Libertarians are pro-liberty life, justice, peace and prosperity.

        2014 may be the first year D’s and R’s fed up with the monolithic nonsense register Libertarian to vote the bums out.

        Here’s my quick-read campaign book which further addresses these issues:

        http://www.amazon.com/Project-Fresh-Start-Prosperity-ebook/dp/B00EO81PI0

        If memory serves, Marilyn Ackerman may have more to say

      • Rich October 3, 2013, 12:28 am

        Re “Rich, it remains to be seen whether the Libertarian party can be anything else than a way of gathering votes for Republicans– whose campaigns are paid for by the same crony capitalist welfare queen companies that the libertarians decry.”

        Most of Ron Paul’s donors were individual people. You are correct they both accepted large corporate donations. They were not elected.

        All of our donors are individual people giving $100 or less per election, or we return the donation.

    • gary leibowitz October 1, 2013, 10:29 pm

      APT Tax is basically a gambling tax. Tax on wall street players. Great idea. Never see the light of day since the top tier play this game more than anyone else.

      • Rich October 2, 2013, 5:34 am

        In Las Vegas the house bank takes a bigger cut and people from all over line up to play around the clock

  • Rich September 30, 2013, 6:45 pm

    This is a long post and the only reason anyone should read it is if they care about restoring freedom and free productive markets.

    Watched Spielberg’s Lincoln again last night for any insights into the current government shutdown scare politics.

    We did not learn from media politicians we had 17 prior government shutdowns and they were non-events. Most of them saw the market going up afterward.

    If we are to believe Spielberg and his writers, Lincoln and his Secretary of State Seward hired dirty lobbyists to dispense patronage political appointments for votes to pass the 13th Abolitionist Amendment, while Abe waxed eloquently, extensively and poetically on Democracy.

    A search of actual Lincoln quotes on Democracy shows they are non-existent and were made up by Hollywood and NPR PBS Doris Kearns Goodwin.

    Like the Declaration of Independence and US Constitution, Lincoln actually talked only about our Republic.

    “Honest” Abe serially violated Constitutional Rights like FDR, W and 0 did with impunity and no effective government checks and balances from the Courts or Congress. Today the Commissions, Congress and Courts do coverup. They do not even hear or act on Birther, Truther or War Powers cases, except to ignore or dismiss them with monopoly media enabling of perpetual pre-emptive warfare in the name of Children and Democracy, found at Nuremberg to be a war crime.

    The Spielberg movie did not connect the dots on Lincoln’s assassination, preferring to fuel the old myth of the long-suffering tireless martyr for Democracy and Freedom who was married to a charming nutter. Yes, his son had Mary Todd Lincoln committed after Abe died.

    Lincoln Democracy is pretty implausible when we realize Lincoln eliminated habeas corpus, instituted martial law that used US Military on American Citizens, seized assets and hung deserters without due process trials. Mob rule as Democracy?

    A democracy is when and where everyone has equal political authority.

    True democracy did not exist even in the days of Athens, Sparta, Jamestown or Plymouth.

    Democracy is a unstable mob rule fantasy that invariably leads to the tyrannies of Anarchy, Communism, Fascist Nazi National Socialism and Oligarchy, as Socrates and Plato knew.

    Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what’s for dinner as Ben Franklin said.

    The trouble with Democracy is that socialists run out of other people’s money as Maggie Thatcher and Aristotle knew.

    A Constitutional Republic is when and where certain leaders are vetted, voted and appointed to administer the affairs of State under Constitutional guidelines with actual checks and balances.

    Today the USA enjoys neither Democracy nor Constitutional Republic.

    We suffer corporate foundation media monopoly military industrial complex oligarchic union special ops run by covert government godfathers glorified in Homeland Zero Dark Thirty fantasies.

    Ike and JFK warned US two generations ago, while taking us into the Vietnam Domino Theory quagmire.

    I had vets tell me as potential candidate for Congress the Marine Commandant or his equivalent in another branch of service would do a better job than any of the last five elected presidents, who were too quick to bomb, 4/5 of them without active duty combat service to know the real costs and results.

    Ron Paul enjoyed the highest military support because he was not belligerent and spoke of blowback to short-sighted gunship diplomacy.

    Pro-football Ranger Pat Tilden and the dead Seal Team’s families understand, as a Reagan Deputy Treasury Secretary and others exposed the frauds and coverups, complete with PsyOp movie and bogus Situation Room photo-op, with Hillary covering her mouth and 0 photoshopped in because he was playing with his body man:

    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2013/09/16/

    We still need real economic recovery despite political laugh tracks like Big Bang Theory and Modern Family.

    The odds of a corrupted Congress, Courts, Executive Branch or Fed reversing the current economic decline are slim to none. The House will get 0 or Reid to make a cosmetic concession that will not change government business as usual. Does anyone really think the House will stop raising the debt ceiling when 0 claims he has cut deficits in half, not mentioning he added $7 T of Treasury debt to our suffering consumer economy?

    If we’re the 1% making 365 times our associates and advising the President on Jobs while shipping X Ray departments to China, we do not care for reform. The only equalizer is the vote, so long as it is not rigged.

    Meantime the Fed is not fully audited, with the last assay of American gold in 1953. Out of touch Judges are appointed for life. Congress does not reign in imperial president overreach.

    It may take yet more economic collapse without government intervention at consumer and taxpayer expense, to return America to the freer markets that made us great. It may take cultural revolution from the entitlement society to entrepreneur meme.

    We have Twitter to accomplish that overnight.

    0Care, the 20% corporate union government takeover of the US economy, is a perfect counter example.

    Like corporate government in education, energy, markets and media, costs rise and quality falls when bureaucratic government replaces competitive price discovery with monopoly.

    We do not fix big government by holding our noses, ignoring cognitive dissonance and voting D or R yet again because we like the smear ads.

    Therefore, the only realistic solution is to elect enough Constitutional free market Libertarians to office whose votes are not controlled by party elders.

    We do not need another new third party, fighting complex election laws like billionaire Perot, who dropped out after Gore cleaned his clock in a TV debate, claiming the Bushies played dirty tricks threatening his daughter’s wedding, while actually getting the Houston Free Port patronage.

    If enough run and vote Libertarian in 2014, we will have enough people willing to make the tough Constitutional decisions to reform corrupt American government in our lives.

    It did not take a majority of Americans to fight the Revolutionary War of Independence. Most then in fact opposed it. Less than a third supported it. Loyalists moved to Canada or quietly refused to fight or buy Continental war bonds.

    The 1972 Libertarian Party is now where the Republicans were with Lincoln and the Whigs for slavery.

    Libertarians are classical liberals who believe in Constitutional protections of freedom, life, peace and prosperity with the Constitutional precious metals standard.

    In 1972 they adopted Robert Heinlen’s motto from the Moon is a Harsh Mistress, “There ain’t no such thing as a free lunch.”

    Despite being the third largest and fastest growing American political party, there are no elected Libertarian governors, members of Congress, State Legislatures or Presidents, although Russell Means Gary Johnson and Ron Paul ran for President as Libertarians ahead of their time.

    Whether Libertarians win national office in 2014 may depend on how bad things get.

    We saw what the Big Tent MR GOP did to Ron Paul, who was leading the caucuses and polls in the 2012 primaries before the corporate media and GOP denied free elections. There is no going back unless we really liked Animal Farm, Brave New World and 1984…

  • gary leibowitz September 30, 2013, 6:38 pm

    Hope for Mario’s future , but believe we must first go thru a cleansing process. Don’t believe the masses are fully prepared for the changes needed. These big events usually happen after great hardships. We might be aware of the possibilities today, but haven’t actually experienced them yet. I am referring to pain felt by all segments of this economy. Hope this is not needed and Mario’s future with the right mix of favorable demographics works out. I do take issue with a future where flacking is common place. We already know that this process destabilizes the bedrock and “might” provide a means to poison our water supply.

    Nice to see some discussion leaning for an optimistic outcome.

    • mario cavolo October 1, 2013, 7:56 am

      The deep issues on the table over the next five years should give us all reasons to be scared out of our pants.

      Meanwhile, I realize that I am considering two separate forces at war: The politic/banking system rise to power vs. long term macro-economic macro-societal trends. Both are powerful in how they impact societies over time.

      Cheers, Mario

    • DK October 1, 2013, 5:09 pm

      Whoa, do I agree with Gary on something, seriously?

      “I do take issue with a future where fRacking is common place. We already know that this process destabilizes the bedrock and “might” provide a means to poison our water supply.”

      The destabilization part is a very broad, umbrella term, considering what it entails. There are serious consequences with this practice.

      For the record, I spent some time working with a major outfit in this industry. Everyone basically agreed that I should view the available documentaries, calling them “educational” but at the same time calling them “untrue” and “alarmist.”
      Isn’t it interesting how those labels are so easily thrown around? I remember asking a couple of those individuals if they moonlighted as journalists.

      On a side note, Gary, you worked as an electrician, if memory serves? What say you about Graphene? That looks like an amazing discovery to me. I have not examined it in any great detail but many suggest it can be made at home.

      • gary leibowitz October 1, 2013, 10:21 pm

        Geology degree out of college, but went into computer software (programmer). I worked for the electricians union out of college as a computer programmer.

      • Rick Ackerman October 2, 2013, 3:04 pm

        Graphene is indeed amazing — so much so that this mere product could conceivably change the world.

        Regarding fracking, in my effort to get to the bottom of the issue, I’ve been reading everything I could find on it. Lo, to whom should I be introduced serendipitously at a local event but Joel K., a biochemistry PhD and business development manager for a company that specializes in analyzing environmental contaminants. Here is the substance of what he told me about fracking: While there is no evidence that has persuaded him that fracking will not do significant harm to the environment, there are good reasons to suspect that it will. However, if the alternative is going to war to meet our energy needs, then fracking might be viewed as the lesser of two evils.

      • DK October 2, 2013, 5:44 pm

        Rick, while I see the direction you’re coming from, and history tells us there’s something to be said for that, I like to go by the saying “work smarter, not harder.” That’s where I see the potential for this country turn it around. Not to mention, history as we’ve learned it (or at least what I was taught) isn’t really history as it occurred. Unfortunately, the answer lies not behind us, or before us, but within us.

        Pretty much everyone is exhausted and traumatized by never ending wars, except for those that orchestrate them, but have no skin in the mess, only profits. The “lesser of 2 evils” has consistently led to more of the same. It’s not a vicious cycle, it’s piss poor planning coupled with the same so-called “leadership,” propaganda and fraud. Heck that’s the theme of of every election in recent memory. At the very least these paths should go on the back burner.

        At the very foundation of the problem, our grid is a piece of junk from sea to shining sea. Vast improvements can be made with technology, new and/or decades old. That is why I mentioned graphene. Actually, this reminds me to find out what is going on with Andrea Rossi, as well.

        The problem is, as George Carlin put it, “they” don’t want that. They have other plans and it doesn’t involve making things better for us.

        I used to follow many of the battery companies that were competing for their place in the hybrid/plug-in hybrid/electric car niche. In the process of competing, several of them offered fantastic ideas regarding the grid, including battery banks to store off peak power, thus reducing the costs across-the-board dramatically. We have dozens of alternative energy technologies that simply do not get the efforts they should, such as geothermal, ocean power, biogas fermenting, solar and even wind. Germany has been showing the world for years what can be done, and as of maybe last year, nearly 1/4 of their power came from such sources; not to mention the jobs that followed. What about more intelligent building designs, our homes are framed out drywalled junk. Ideas such as straw bail housing, cordwood masonry, etc are examples of the kind of direction that is needed. Perhaps those building methods themselves are unsustainable for EVERYONE, but we can do much better, particularly with what we waste, and I cannot think of a reason why we shouldn’t. The focus, I think, is really beginning to shift, I just hope it is not too late already. America isn’t the only country “going down,” (in many ways, mind you) we just get most of the attention. The initial costs may be higher, but in the long run, but the costs of not employing more human capital/ingenuity, and REAL education (read as risks) is even worse.

  • nonplused September 30, 2013, 5:02 pm

    I vote debt default.

    Debt is a funny thing, because it doesn’t really exist other than as an obligation. Sure, tangible things trade hands like when you buy a house with a mortgage you have a house now and an obligation, but the obligation is only as good as the man. Debt doesn’t create anything tangible, it just changes who has what. So when we default on the mother of all debts, nothing tangible will dissapear. All we will find out is that those who saved nothing have nothing.

  • BKL September 30, 2013, 10:57 am

    Mario’s link provides some hopeful clues as to how the industrialized world is going to get back on track. It does, however, paint too rosy a picture of miraculous improvements in public health, especially in the U.S.

    As things stand, the U.S. is looking at over a million dollars in end-of-life care for a high percentage of the population; probably the very percentage which will not be healthy enough to earn the kind of income that allows them to save for their own care. Bottom line: many hugely expensive wards of the state.

    The provision of healthcare is measured as GDP, which just shows how imperfect GDP can be as a measure of economic activity. Healthcare is approaching 20 percent of “GDP”!

    My suggestion for the U.S. economy is to really get serious about the food that is ruining our future, and the future of our children

    We need to go “food Nazi” and display prominent warnings about the foods which we know make us sick. It is nice to say that it is our own choice to make, but people addicted to horrible food are simply no longer capable of re-engineering their diet. This is most tragically true of children.

    I would provide subsidized high fiber, low fat, low sugar feeding centers at great taxpayer expense. Make the food at these government restaurants so ridiculously cheap, that people will feel like fools eating anywhere else. Imagine the money and suffering you would save. Our workforce would be ready to take on the brutal competition that they face. It might even improve the behavior of Raiders fans. John Jay is right. Look up Raiders fans on YouTube.

  • John Jay September 30, 2013, 6:27 am

    As I have posted here in the past there is indeed a trend of manufacturing returning to the USA for many reasons.

    Here are a few:
    1) As Rick pointed out, energy is much cheaper here than in Europe or Asia.
    2) The cheap labor in China et cetera has run its course, and stagnant or declining wages here make the USA attractive again.
    3) Shipping costs make it cheaper to manufacture here for our domestic market.
    4) It is easier to maintain command and control with manufacturing stateside.
    5) Heavy use of robots make labor costs a lesser consideration.

    The key point above is number 5.
    As I posted before, a textile plant that moved back to the USA from India no longer needs the 2,000 employees the old US plant employed.
    It only needs 140 workers now.
    So don’t expect a flood of new jobs to be created as manufacturing returns here.

    When something like this happened 100 years ago, it was the change from horses and farmhands to tractors and machinery that put millions out of their old jobs.
    But 100 years ago, when US manufacturing exploded, it created millions of factory jobs to absorb the superfluous American workers and immigrants from Europe.
    That will not happen this time.
    Jobs are scarce and will be getting scarcer.

    To compound the misery, the Oligarchs are relentlessly
    pushing for Amnesty and Open Borders.
    Same as it ever was!
    And the new Aristocracy is firmly in the saddle.
    As Hillary mulls a 2016 Presidential run, good old Bill Clinton posits that Chelsea would make a great POTUS!
    So your choices are the Bush Royal Family or the Clinton Royal Family!
    What a country!
    And the only place you will encounter Noblesse Oblige these days is in the dictionary!

    And the response of the American Worker and the American College Student to this noose around their necks?
    American Worker = Raider Nation!
    American College Student = College Football!

    Hard to believe that after the series of “Cookbook” Laws passed by the DC Gang for decades that impoverished them and made a few Oligarchs into de facto Royalty, there is no real reaction by the Proles.
    But there it is!

    And, it is very much within the realm of possibilities that five or ten years from now, we might look back upon 2013 as the “Good Old Days”!

    And if you doubt my assessment of the American Worker I will ask you a question.
    Have you ever been to an Oakland Raiders game?
    I have.
    I rest my case!

    • mario cavolo October 1, 2013, 7:52 am

      JJ, lots of great points as always, but gentle reminder the cheap labor agenda in China hasn’t quite run its course. In fact, the problem of rising labor in the original main regions around Guangzhou and Shanghai, etc. are acting to serve the country even better as it is leading to the ongoing expansion of the 2nd and 3rd tier cities. So, as the big companies, both domestic and mult-national are now investing new facilities in the 2nd and 3rd tier areas seeking the labor still available there at lower rates, they are themselves contributing nicely to the new development of those 2nd and 3rd tier cities. Likewise in retail, industrial, logistics and office real estate markets. The major FMCG retail brands have shot their load and are fully vested in China’s 1st tier cities, their ongoing growth is now centered on expanded commitments into the 2nd and 3rd tier cities, where both real estate and labor is cheaper. Of course all of this will continue feeding the inflationary forces including rising labor costs as the years pass.

      So, I’m just leading in summary to the point that this situation is going to continue to play out for the next five to ten years here before we will be able to state more definitively that China’s cheap labor advantage has run its course…not quite yet 🙂

      In terms of job creation numbers. $10 billion increase in U.S. Exports will now create around 60,000 jobs. I do sense that U.S. exports to China alone will continue to increase yearly by that amount as a minimum. Which means that looking five years out, rising U.S. exports to China alone will have created approximately 300,000 decent (?) jobs.

      Its terribly ironic how the shape of today’s global economy points to America’s now marginalized lower/middle class being driven back into low-paying manufacturing sector jobs as part of the employment solution moving forward from here.

      Cheers, Mario

      • John Jay October 1, 2013, 3:28 pm

        Mario,
        The rise of ever more automated manufacturing and Artificial Intelligence means that even Chinese cheap labor will offer no advantage in the very near future.
        I have seen robotic waiters in Chinese restaurants on the net.
        Any labor shortages in China will be short lived.

        Chinese Oligarchs are no more benevolent than the American ones.
        They can’t wait to replace all the workers they can with robots.
        This situation will be playing out worldwide with increasing intensity.
        Not good for Chinese or American proles.
        Scary future for the 99%!

      • mario October 3, 2013, 3:01 am

        Disagree on this point JJ, Chinese oligarchs are half as greedy as U.S….while yes more robotics are coming they are highly commited to the harmony and stability of the society as a core driver in their ideals a.nd policies they are executing. The rise of the lower n middle class is no accident and there is little to indicate they are bent on betraying it. Ergo, this includes robotics, they will surely maintain and force balanced policy that supports emloymnet as needed. It’s quite self-evident not my musings…

        Cheers, Mario

  • bc September 30, 2013, 5:39 am

    The Thirties was a decade of unprecedented technical innovation. Radio, metallurgy, biology, chemistry, and aeronautics were all tee’d up in the decade leading up to WWII. Just as a forest fire destroys the tallest trees, providing sun and rain access to the seedlings heretofore smothered on the forest floor, men like Philo T Farnsworth had the breathing room to survive as the oligarchs at G.E. and the like lost their vise grip of the corporate labs and the patent system.
    Farnsworth patented the regenerative radio receiver, moving the useable frequency bandwidth by an order of magnitude. The government took this newly useful spectrum for itself. Farnsworth then patented the five tube heteronyms receiver, again expanding the useable bandwidth by at least ten fold. The government allocated this new spectrum to crony capitalists in the telecom and radio entertainment industries. Farnsworth invented and patented frequency modulation extending useable spectrum into the gigahertz range. Then he patented television as it was first introduced with the cathode ray tube. Just before he died Farnsworth created a fusion reactor that remains the only low cost and practical neutron source known today. He still got personally butchered financially by a bunch of New York oligarchs who played dirty in patent court. My point is at least he managed to exist. Such is the opportunity created by Schumpeter’s creative destruction process. Hopefully Schumpeter’s vision will play out once more after the reset happens. Or we all go long stone knives and bear skins.

  • mario cavolo September 30, 2013, 4:29 am

    Hi Rick,

    ” If the U.S. economy is not headed into oblivion over the next 50 years, but rather toward a gradual or even dramatic improvement, how might that happen?”

    The right question to attempt to answer and there are a few different angles this could be approached from, here’s mine.

    Fortunately, the U.S. economy is now inextricably linked to the global economy and therefore growth of the global economy, which is primarily in the Asia led by China region will serve well to help prop up the economic picture for decades to come and offset U.S. troubles to a meaningful degree. Meaningful enough?…I’m not qualified to answer that question.

    This state of affairs is a reminder to us all that we have arrived at this dismal juncture in time AT THE EXPENSE of the U.S. over the past twenty years. Much of America’s current problems are directly linked to how big govt, corporations, institutions and politician et al. sold out the middle class heart of the society for the benefit of the wealthy hand in hand with the unfortunate decline of a stable, secure lower/middle class society, and right in the game was China taking advantage for her own gain every step of the way.

    America’s potential saving grace is that she will become more and more global; globally linked to global economic activity which has growth areas, with world GDP expected to hit $210T by 2050 from today’s $40T. Indeed, 50% of S&P500 earnings are international, with more than half of those earnings coming from the Asia/China block and still in rising proportion looking forward.

    The problem of financial struggle remains not across the general entire swath of the citizen population, the way you propose the issue is too generalized and I’ve stated this before. It is the lower/middle class 100-150 million who have been severely marginalized to servitude and two income household low wages.

    The bigger problem moving forward is that the “reset” of the economic and societal and political power landscape is already completed. The vampires as RWD called them ( I vote we start using that word as the new defacto word for our self-serving overlords, oligarchs, Daboyz, etc. ) have already accomplished their feat of a power and wealth grab to a degree unprecedented in world history with the media fully compliant and the lower/middle class has already been summarily marginalized as a societal group.

    Yet, there are other macro long term factors to consider that give us hope we can keep our societal head above water.

    U.S exports to China will continue in the coming years to rise nicely from current new record levels at $110 billion for 2013, and yes that will create 6000 jobs for every $1 billion of increased exports, and yes as JJ points out, those new jobs will not be at wonderfully high wages but it is still a source of growth and stability nonetheless.

    While many of you here often reference zerohedge.com website links, let me reference a very well thought out view of 2020 and beyond at http://www.madhedgefundtrader.com/get-ready-for-the-next-golden-age-3/ , this set of macro points makes the case very reasonably in the macroeconomic picture that the U.S. situation will have proper macro elements and trends in place in terms of demographics/real estate/manufacturing/energy starting around 2020 for healthier growth looking forward.

    My purpose in writing this is very specific, to answer Rick’s question “….how might this happen?”

    Assuming of course that this mess with its fragile underpinnings survives til 2020…its a battle of forces and none of us can know how it actually will play out in the coming five years, yet we can all easily view this coming five years as being ultracritical to the U.S.’ and global future.

    Cheers, Mario

  • JimK September 30, 2013, 1:40 am

    The proponents of the viability of cold fusion are a respectable number, so I can’t totally count them out, or write it off completely. Otherwise, we have an enormous myth of scarcity in the first place, which I believe is actually more of an expression of helplessness of a generation and a half now, who have grown up without learning how to use their hands for anything other than ‘mobile device’.

    The specter of dollar debt is ultimately extinguished by the physical economy, and not even by gold. We still have land, water, sunshine, and intelligence – even if we are having a bad day intellectually.

    Indeed, we are rich, if we can successfully pluck the vampire/leeches from our body politic. Our recovery is but a Jubilee away – we are overdue. The question remains as to whether we will have the intestinal fortitude to remain focused on identifying and prosecuting the crooks, as well as confiscating their fraudulently gotten wealth – which would not matter so much, had they not ended up ‘owning’ such a large chunk of the real estate on Earth – and to do so without descending into a French Revolution scenario. The spring is wound tight, and it will not be easy to transcend our predicament in an orderly fashion – those who seek the disorder (‘never let a good crisis go to waste’ crowd) will seek to squelch the moderation that the internet and networking would provide.

    Expect our freedom to communicate to remain in the crosshairs – it is the truest threat to those who seek to exploit the coming transition. Buy a ham radio, just in case. I am optimistic that a turnaround is possible – there is an awakening now – Seymour Hersh has just broken the ice on examining our media, and the anti-war movement was officially born upon rejection of the Syria attack – the lies are simply not working anymore – this is the beginning of the return of a functioning constituency within a Republic.

    • Redwilldanaher September 30, 2013, 8:15 pm

      I forgot about this, should have included this with my own Seymour Hersh reference the other day.

      Seems like that at least some of the lefties do not like the monster that they created. Seems like it has taken on a life and mindlessness of its own. Seems like we were warned of this repeatedly for eons but that was lost on some of the “stars” in the subset of the best and brightest.

      http://gawker.com/naomi-wolf-is-a-snowden-truther-513470303

      Guess Gary will now have to stop reading Hersh and Wolf. They are now just part of the crazy conspiracist crowd and must be out-of-hand dismissed.

      Can’t wait to read the tortured logic that is sure to follow.

      • BDTR October 1, 2013, 2:09 am

        Let’s skip the partisan hyperbole, Red. When it comes to expanding government…

        http://mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=488

        ‘The result has been unprecedented government debt. Reagan has tripled the Gross Federal Debt, from $900 billion to $2.7 trillion. Ford and Carter in their combined terms could only double it. It took 31 years to accomplish the first postwar debt tripling, yet Reagan did it in eight.’

        and..

        ‘George W. Bush rode into Washington almost eight years ago astride the horse of smaller government. He will leave it this winter having overseen the biggest federal budget expansion since Franklin Delano Roosevelt seven decades ago.

        Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/19/big-government-gets-bigger/#ixzz2gQN45kvL
        Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter

      • redwilldanaher October 1, 2013, 2:35 am

        Seems you’re late to the party BDTR. I’m not partisan. I give both barrels to both so-called parties. You must have me confused or haven’t been ’round these parts long enough.

      • BDTR October 1, 2013, 3:44 am

        Just addressing what you posted, Red.

        It should be clear by now that polarities of our political paradigm are a construct intended to castrate the masses and maintain the dynamic destroying liberty in a debt driven economic death spiral. So the characterization you used serves only our collective demise.

        And attacking Gary, an easy target, doesn’t add clarity to the issues or argument. He’s valuably symptomatic besides being, like you, a dedicated member of this forum.

        Cheers

      • Redwilldanaher October 1, 2013, 4:00 am

        Apparently you don’t read this board thoroughly. My point is the very opposite of what you’re charging me with, from what I can tell. Gary, for years’, has made it a point that many of the commentors here are crazy “right wing” conspiracy theorists because we do not believe the lies that are being fed to us. It’s obvious that Gary now has to label 2 key writers, on “his side” as he see it, in the same way he’s mislabeled us. The point is not to attack Gary but rather to refute attacks Gary has already launched. Since you seem keen on lecturing then I’ll return the favor. Context, you may want to revisit it.

      • BDTR October 1, 2013, 7:13 am

        You’re taking this way too personally, Red. There is no ‘charge’ made of any sort.

        You’re absolutely right about context. There’s no reference to anything other than a key statement of your post. Not something from years, weeks or day ago. I don’t really care about what anyone said yesterday if there’s a pertinent conversation today.

        In context references the worn myth that “…some of the lefties do not like the monster that they created.”

        I’ve long read, much admire and respect Seymour Hersh and took exception to the implication of he and Ms.Wolf as well as hypocrite ‘lefties’ vaguely responsible as party to our ridiculous governmental monstrosity. The notion isn’t just wrong, it’s absurd.

        Mr. Hersh has been a premier and relentless critic of corrupt power of all stripes over many decades of courageous journalism.

        So, Red, wondering why you still haven’t responded to that very clear point of my original comment. The Gary attack observation was an aside, not principal, but not irrelevant either. I’m not ‘charging’ you with anything except, now, dancing around the point.

        Partisan polarities are purely diversionary and laying the responsibility for monstrous growth of the government and attendant morbid debt exclusively on the left is pure myth. Your comment supports that myth.

        The responsible elite is full spectrum and they and their insidious creation is anything but mindless.

      • Craig October 1, 2013, 5:05 pm

        BDTR,

        We that are awake are most assuredly aware of the crimes on the right…besides Clinton must gun laws at the federal level are passed by the right wing and it becomes a phew that wasn’t as bad as what the left wanted same goes with the left they worry about the right taking away the 1st and 4th amendment while the left does all the damage and they rejoice because their guy is in charge and it wasn’t as much as they imagined from the right. The left is “in charge” so to speak so they are the lighting rod, they are both in the same team. Divide and conquer and keep everyone’s eyes off the REAL issues.

        To sum it up “the left is driving us off a cliff at 100 mph with the pedal to the floor saying there is no cliff….while the right is driving us at 60 mph foot still on the pedal saying we will turn around don’t worry, we have a plan…we are seriously out of road.

      • Redwilldanaher October 1, 2013, 5:08 pm

        It’s unfortunate that you aren’t willing to recognize ongoing conversations interwoven within pertinent conversations of today.

        You tell me how to label “partisan hyperbole”.

        Hersh is an old leftist. He’s always been much more harsh on republican administrations like many of his contemporaries. He’s usually his most vocal and receives the most attention when he’s dug up dirt on the stereotypical enemies of the people as seen by those that consider themselves to be on the left.

        Naomi Wolf wrote a piece, if memory serves, as to why Barry Soetoro would be the candidate that would receive her vote.

        My reference wasn’t made with respect to the budget as much as it was to the all powerful state and this particular puppet tyrant.

        I view both of them as agents not as reporters. That “side”, the one they have positioned themselves on and attacked for and argued on behalf of for many years, has been advocating a greatly expanded role of government and thus a greatly expanded size of government for as long as I can remember. This is irrefutable.

        I think both of them are intelligent enough to have, by now, recognized that things are as you and I believe they are, that being, a paradigm constructed to castrate….

        So then, if they’ve argued as they have for years, and continue to side with and remain on the so called left, then please explain how they’ve had no hand in bringing about this tyrannical state that’s aligned against us when they both help shape opinion. They’ve treated things as a partisan would as opposed to say a libertarian or an independent.

        Furthermore, your very clear point missed the mark which is why I didn’t address it. I hope you understand it now.

        What you seem to want to overlook is that our beloved Gary still sees things largely through a partisan prism. He also resorts to calling many of us rw nuts or something to that effect when we point out the obvious deficiencies in the official stories that we’re fed. My point is that well known, respected agents on Gary’s side are now calling BS on this fraud seated in the oval office. Obviously they must now be labeled the same way since they are both making charges with respect to how this clown’s admin and the media cartel are spewing serious lies and propaganda on behalf of the all powerful state. Sorry that was lost on you.

        I’m done explaining things with respect to my original comments and links.

      • Gary leibowitz October 1, 2013, 8:22 pm

        Why I have to explain my position again and again is beyond me. I have always believed debt saturation would do us in. Just in the timing I take issue. I have always believed both parties pile on the debt. I take philosophical issue with the Republicans shifting the money to corporations and the wealthy as the Dems love social programs. As it is the wealthy are winning this battle hands down.

        I take issue with the rigid notion that every single incident, policy, or government intervention, is hell bent on destroying our way of life, and is done in a conspiratorial manner. 9/11, Benghazi, Obama’s religion and citizenship status, BP oil accident, Syria, Iran, Iraq, QE programs, fake jobs, fake earnings, manipulated stock market, manipulated currencies, spy program, and on we go. Every single issue becomes a hidden agenda that only the fringe blogs and paranoia mind grasps onto. How can we ever have a decent discussion when, like a born-again Christian, you see everything in one light. Like a religion there is no substantive proof that there is a hidden under-world where dark and devious groups are out to destroy all our freedoms.

        What I find amusing is these same paranoia minds believe Gold is manipulated whenever it goes south and against their bet. The fact that it started at 400 dollars seems to be missed. The fact that every single political or financial issue that’s brought to bare has roots in a free press. Information is out there, so much so that anyone wanting to extrapolate to the furthest reach does so. Wild assumptions get born out of real verifiable facts. Yet here we are today where everyone screams that information is being suppressed. Illegal activities by its nature is suppressed until they get caught. Lets not limp all government activities in the same argument.

  • michael September 30, 2013, 1:27 am

    “The ignorance of self-consciousness is inertia which is entropy of the body. A measure of the disorder of a system”

    Why does the first solution seem to always be to look out-side our-Self for a material answer? The answer is as obvious as the nose on ones face that can be seen by others but not our self. Where is morality and ethics? They start at home i.e within ones self. And a nation is built by people not corporations or governments. So where is the peoples backbone of Truth that morality, ethics is built on?

    “I refuse to believe that corporations are people until Texas executes one.”

    “When the missionaries came to Africa, they had the Bible and we had the land. They said ‘let us close our eyes and pray’. When we opened them, we had the Bible, and they had the land.” or “When the federal reserve system came to America, they had the promises and we had the land. They said ‘let us close our eyes and pray’. When we opened them, we have the promises, and they have the land.”

    “I am the punishment of God…If you had not committed great sins, God would not have sent a punishment like me upon you.”–Genghis Kahn

    • BDTR September 30, 2013, 4:09 pm

      “It’s difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.” – Upton Sinclair

      Salary, (slave wages, too), dividends, kickbacks, bribes, perks, promised advancement and the guaranteed leveraged profits to them most richly deserving and well positioned, usually through bloodline or bloodletting or both.

      There’s no decline in markets for well armed mercenaries, their brokers and investors. While consciousness, the terrible moral complicator, has no practical reward that you can eat, spend at the mall or add to a resumé of career advancing experience of endorsed violence.

      Hence atoning conscience, the reflective agent of wisdom and also great destroyer of systemic corruption, is what’s so difficult for most to understand. Sorrows of empire are lost in drone prone solutions to existential issues by peace prize recipients. Just like Genghis Kahn, …and his brother Don.

      Reversing decline; exclusively a rhetorical exercise.

    • Carol September 30, 2013, 4:41 pm

      Michael >>“I refuse to believe that corporations are people until Texas executes one.”

      Have you ever seen ANY law, statute, regulation, signpost, etc that said ANYTHING about what people can or can not do. For example, I just saw a sign on the side of the highway yesterday that said to use the HOV lane the “vehicle” must have at least 2 “persons” in it. Did it say 2 people? Why not? Simple the “state” is nothing more than a corporation (look it up in Manta business listing) and it can and only does regulate other corporations = “person”, “individual”, but can NEVER harm, regulate, or control a people!

      When are people going to wake up to the fraud?

      It is natural law that he who creates can control and he can ONLY regulate that which he creates. God created people, people created governments, governments created corporations, corporations create and control ONLY the corporations that they created.

      When are people going to wake up to the fraud and quit being the chattel property of the elite BY THEIR OWN CONSENT?????

      • Carol September 30, 2013, 4:57 pm

        In my post above I accidentally deleted the following paragraph.

        No one has ever said that corporations are people. Courts have said that corporations are “persons” and have the same rights as “persons” which is true and can be clearly seen once one knows that a “person” is a corporation. The problem is that people have been “trained”, “conditioned”, “educated” to BELIEVE that person= people. It is not true and has never been true. Person = a corporation.

  • Redwilldanaher September 30, 2013, 12:34 am

    Did they get you to trade your heroes for ghosts?

    Hot ashes for trees?

    Freedom for disposable consumer goods made in China?

    Freedom for false security?

    Your critical thinking for wall of sound/echo chamber neuro linguistically programmed propaganda?

    And so on…

    I like Gilmour’s version better.

    This may not be what you really are seeking here, Rick, but the bottom line remains for me that there can never be a real solution for the people if the vampires are allowed to control the zombies. See what I mean?

    • Jason S October 3, 2013, 6:38 pm

      You gotta love a parody on a Floyd classic.