Uh-Oh. ‘Good News’ Is Now…Good News!

Stocks rallied sharply on last week’s unemployment news, but shouldn’t they instead have fallen?  In the past, it has not been changes in the unemployment rate per se that caused stocks to rise or fall, but rather the perceived impact of those changes on Fed policy. In the bizarre, inverted world of Wall Street tiny-think, “bad” unemployment news was always greeted with high-five exuberance, since it argued implicitly against Fed tightening.  To be sure, last week’s news was good as far as Wall Street was concerned: The 7% jobless rate announced on Friday was the lowest since 2008. But could those who helped goose the Dow Industrials 200 points have forgotten what Helicopter Ben said last summer – i.e., that the Fed would end its quantitative easing program if U.S. unemployment got “in the vicinity of 7%.”  Of course, there are the usual mitigating factors to be considered that could alter the actual turn of events. For one, because Bernanke’s job is to say what he means without necessarily meaning it, we shouldn’t hold him too closely to his word. And for two, the phrase “in the vicinity of 7%” leaves some wiggle room, Under the circumstances, it’s conceivable that unemployment could fall all the way to, say, 6.7%, before the Fed feels obliged to invoke the dreaded Tapeworm. (“Not on my watch!” Janet Yellen might say, were she not merely one more Fed lackey who moves only when her strings are pulled.)

DaFacto Tapering

We’ve asserted here numerous times that the odds of a Fed Tapeworm are about the same as a Martian invasion. But we’re going to qualify that, as follows: However the Fed reacts to this (literally) too-good-to-be-true gusher of unemployment news, it will happen in such a way as to leave everyone wondering whether the Fed has in fact “tapered” at all.  One thing’s for sure, whatever  policy action is taken, it will not be one that subjects Treasury debt to market forces. Our guess is that we will see some “de facto” tapering, starting with an announcement after-the-fact that the Fed has bought less dubious paper in a given month than the customary $85 billion in Treasurys and mortgage-backeds.

Meanwhile, the news media, led by the over-the-top cheerleading of the Wall Street Journal, acts as though the 7% unemployment rate actually means something. We prefer Shadowstats’ spin, which puts unemployment at about three times the official rate. It’s amusing in any event to watch the news media get all worked up about the supposedly improving economy when any idiot outside of America’s giddy newsrooms can see that most businesses and their employees are struggling just to keep their heads above water. Incidentally, the Journals’ op-ed page continues to get it right, using the term “Great Recession” to describe an economy that has continued to stagnate since the recession officially ended in 2009.

  • Greg December 16, 2013, 5:12 am

    I think the Fed will continue to print. Politics trumps the good of the people. Period. default is not an option. Deficits have to be paid. No one is willing to give up their free stuff. The takers out number the producers. It is a slow motion train wreck which is gaining speed geometrically. Don’t kid yourself. This is not going to end well.

  • PatagoniaSUPERSPIC December 14, 2013, 11:27 pm

    and here is something else, that just came in coincidentally, in my web net,
    and from england, that I am certain, you will all enjoy (a straight cut and paste)—

    http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article43477.html

    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    You cannot put bankers in jail

    “Bankers have been given immunity from prosecution for any misdeed or imperfection no matter how damaging it is to the markets, the global economy and society. HSBC, JP Morgan Chase, European banks, the list goes on. Banks are fined but no individual banker goes to jail. How many times do bankers need to skate on corruption charges before you get it through your thick skull that you can fine the bank but you cannot put bankers in jail?” Gustavo postulated.

    Richer than King Midas

    He continued, “We central bankers will share the data gathering efforts with the world’s commercial or retail banks for a [big] fee. Our prudence will ensure that the inside information is shared fairly.” The profits the banks will make on these trades will guarantee their survival. Furthermore it will ensure the bank executives become richer than King Midas. It is truly a win-win situation.” I poked at the remainder of my appetizer, ‘scampi carpaccio with two caviars’, and eagerly awaited the first course, ‘liquorice consommé with sweet pepper cream and squid salad’. Gustavo had come a long way from his days making book from his car outside Madison Square Garden, I thought to myself. His notion of win-win was certainly unique.

    There are two types of wealth in this world

    “Gustavo”, I replied, “I don’t know where to begin. How does any of this help Main Street and the masses? This sounds like a conspiracy by the 1% to own the entire universe”. “I am glad you brought that up David” he slurred. [The effects of his overindulgence of the Cognac was starting to have the usual impact] “That whole silly Occupy movement and its childish 99% versus the 1% was our creation. The 1% is a phrase we coined to give us cover as we filled our pockets. You see David; there are two types of wealth in this world. The first is wealth created by innovators, creators, entrepreneurs, risk-takers, hard workers, savers: diligent, honest, principled, prudent, responsible men and woman”, Gustavo pontificated.

    Bankers have ‘got your backs

    “These remarkable people, as they created wealth also created jobs and enhanced their community. The world rightfully respects, celebrates, admires, encourages and emulates their efforts. The other type of wealth is created by creatures like me who scam, suck, pillage and plunder the public purse and Main Street’s wallets. We create nothing. We central bankers and our commercial and retail cousins contribute nothing. We take what we can while convincing the masses that we ‘have got their backs.’ Can you believe that bankers are still able to pay themselves tens of millions of dollars a year after the damage they have done to the global economy?” Gustavo opined.

    Consultants, lobbyists and other assorted leeches

    His sermon continued, “If the public ever thought about it for a moment, their anger would not be focused on the notional 1% who accumulated their wealth the old fashioned way [They earned it] Rather the anger would be focused on the ‘10%.’ The scoundrels like myself: bankers, consultants, lobbyists and other assorted leeches who drain the public’s purse while adding to their own personal fortune”. I was quite taken aback. Candor, honesty and critical self analysis were not attributes I usually expected from Gustavo. I smiled at the waiter as he delivered my main course, a very appealing ‘soya poached fillet of beef with garlic dandelion and wasabi purée’. I continued my conversation with Gustavo by asking him why he was sharing all this information with me. Was he not concerned that I might publish some of this, clearly confidential, information? “David, have you heard nothing I have said, Bankers are immune from prosecution”. He said sardonically.

    • DK December 15, 2013, 3:31 am

      PatagoniaSUPERSPIC,
      see post above yours.

      • Mario December 15, 2013, 3:13 pm

        Several times before I’ve posted links to nadeem wayalat’ s updates, for years seems to me he’s spot on… must read category…

    • Rich December 15, 2013, 11:30 pm

      Bravo
      If it were Bond, the soya beef would be poisoned

  • PatagoniaSUPERSPIC December 14, 2013, 10:48 pm

    I suggest you all recommend the socialist gary l., to read a few short laissez-faire books. and then give you his review, of them. like for example—

    hayek’s ‘the road to serfdom.’

    it should be fun, to read how ‘he’ interprets them. and a lesson. about the frontrunner groupal enemy, the enemy of individuals. because I don’t even think, that ‘gary leibowitz’, even exists. I think he is a made-up person, by a smart marxist-blathering ‘tonto útil’ (and with a ‘jewish’ monicker, so rick a. ever tolerates, his laughable imbecilities), to constantly spew totalitarian leftist nonsense; and thus daily interrupt, this individualistic website, of individual thinkers.

    so, ‘larry l.’, since it is obvious no one is ever going to convince you to become an individual, so, tell me, why does everybody continue to address you, even if in disgust, including the host? bizarre. And also, why do you keep coming back, to where you are not wanted, at all? very strange indeed. the bizarre running discourse, of this site, with you, whomever you are. entertaining, yet bizarre.

    so, there is a lot more, behind the mask, of this site.

    btw, talking about major masks, I just saw this article, and I thought you all should read it, since, it now shows, as rick has often predicted, that the obama’care’, will die, of it’s on dead weight–in an attempt to fully destroy, the heart of the u.s.a.; it’s real core, the entire middle-class of caucasian ‘gringos’. so forbes comes through here, calling a spade a spade.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/12/14/government-takeover-white-house-forces-obamacare-insurers-to-cover-unpaid-patients-at-a-loss/?partner=yahootix

    and here is just one quote, from this article, so you all read it—
    “It’s unconstitutional to FORCE insurers to cover people for FREE.” (caps mine).

    weird. for how could the ‘WHITE’ house’s (irony) current communist uncle sambo, ever think, that this could ever fly? or does he perceive, that the caucasian americanus, is so wimped out, that they don’t fight back about anything, when it involves, even remotely, the lazy dumb negro ‘race card’? pathetic.

    since it has been long proven, scientifically, that negroes in general, cannot compete with caucasians in general, on a level playing field. negroes have smaller brains, that only understand violence, intimidation, sex, etc.
    bottomline— they are more similar to apes, than humans.

    thus, ‘the shoeshine boy in chief’ (not my quote, wish it was, got it from a yahoo commenter), is attempting to ‘redistribute wealth’, away from strong middle-class u.s.a. caucasians, that MADE america, onto most u.s.a. negroes, with no jobs, no nothing—except their drug-dealing, extorting, stealing, raping white women, beating and killing all whites for fun, including kids, etc; and living free to do such, from the liberal fed govt. handouts, from the ‘chimp in charge’ (another great yahoo commenter quote).

    and don’t be shy in calling me SUPERSPIC, for I am dead proud fo be a Spic, since I’d rather be a Spic any day, than be a member of the idiot liberal crap-eating wimp white americanus, as it is now ubiquitously called online— the marxist ‘chimp-led’ USSA.

    (I mean, how many anti-usa constitutional crimes does this uncle sambo have to commit, to be impeached? —btw, I think the entire snowden affair was just a complex ‘wag the dog’ story, to distract the dufus americanus, away from the SEVERAL considered impeachment proceedings, against the ‘shoeshine boy in chief’, earlier this year).

    but, as they said in a ’60’s song, ‘and the beat goes on.’
    for the bullshhtt keeps piling on. is there no end to it?

    as to myself, I am willing to give my old life, for this to end.
    why? because I want to.
    SUPERSPIC.
    from patagonia.

  • DK December 14, 2013, 6:22 pm

    In other news….

    The NSA and Central Banks teaming up? Surprise, surprise…

    http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article43477.html

    • Rich December 15, 2013, 11:27 pm

      NSA of course works for the owners of the Central Banks

  • gary leibowitz December 14, 2013, 9:19 am

    Got to love the answers on deflation, inflation and debt.
    If the text book definitions held the last 5 years would look like what? Huge debt, huge printing of money, yet where is inflation and deflation now? Not working according to the text books are they? Much more complicated than you wish to present. The world has changed since the 80’s. Cash was replaced by credit from that time on. We didn’t have a credit system that dominated every aspect of our lives before the 80’s. Perhaps people are going to tell me my facts are wrong. Sorry but I have studied and argued this point for decades yet no one wants to accept this changes the dynamics of debt. With credit there is no day of reckoning as there was with cash. With credit it can go on a long time, as long as creditors accept the terms and conditions. Once the faith or trust is gone the whole thing collapses. Not so easy to determine how inflation and deflation come about. if it was so easy than the last 5 years would do exactly as the text book say it should. but alas the proof is in the actual numbers. We have both deflation and inflation visible at the same time. Printed money didn’t create run away inflation, and the debt burden didn’t cause spiraling deflation. If the Fed could stem the tide for the critical last 5 years, why would you think the next 5 would be worse? Surely it’s not just the accumulation of debt that would do it. There has to be a catalyst.

    I will stick to my very old proposition that at a time of huge debt burdens the only thing that should derail the Fed’s hope to recover would be a bout of inflation. This inflation has to come in the form of wages since that is the only way we complete the circle. If companies feel the pressure to increase wages rates will rise, and the debt burden eventually becomes unmanageable. Given time, and a low inflation environment, debt can be paired down. In the real world however I do not believe political will is strong enough to pair down that debt soon enough.

    My theory can’t be dismissed simply because no other has explained away why we are where we are 5 years after the debacle. You can call it manipulation, a trick, or an illusion. I wonder when in history have we gone 5 years with an illusion. The data is real even though it doesn’t fit with your expected results. You either change your model or declare everything else as false. I know most here dismiss all data points for the last 5 years, except the ones that fit your assumptions. In order to continue to do so you must believe we have an all knowing all powerful group of individuals that totally deceived everyone for all of 5 years and counting.

    Me, I believe earnings. Earnings for 5 solid years. Earnings with slow sales acceleration, low costs, and high margins. Every single sector of the economy has shown it can survive and thrive on this environment. These are facts. Not a one quarter or one year event. No one here has yet explained how these companies “faked” their earnings. Either YOUR model is wrong or the data points presented to the world are faked.

    One more time, I have never stated we would end on a good note. I only explained why we are doing so well for so long. I also have my theory on how it ends, thru accelerated economic activity, causing rates and defaults to rise. My theory seems to be coming on-line. it is too early to determine if that is the case.

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    What blather! Let me repeat C.V. Myers’ dictum for perhaps the hundredth time: Ultimately, every penny of every debt will have to be paid — if not by borrowers, then by lenders. The distinctions you have drawn between money and credit reflect your ignorance. RA

    • Redwilldanaher December 14, 2013, 4:18 pm

      The rare ostrichjackass hybrid is spotted briefly in cyberspace…

      • DK December 14, 2013, 6:21 pm

        Priceless!

    • gary leibowitz December 14, 2013, 10:25 pm

      Perhaps it is blather but my theory presented a long time ago has coincidentally matched the current situation much better than yours. In fact your theory insisted we could never have an improved economy from 5 years ago. Your theory suggests we are already in a deep deflationary depression. I guess that’s why you prefer to call this current environment fake.

      As for debt and the fact that it has to be repaid, who said it isn’t and wont. All you have to do is extend the credit terms, like the now familiar 30 year mortgage. Do I hear 40 or 50? It wasn’t that long ago that we had a very manageable debt during Clintons reign. Is it not possible to once again pair down debt? Corporation have done it, and so have individuals. If this government is given enough time and political will it is possible. You also told me the Fed would never stop the taper, yet now I see you are hedging your bets.

      BTW my so called theory on credit replacing cash coincidentally happened right at the biggest economic boom and stock market rise in history. We have been living on credit since then. I would suggest our fate was sealed all the way back then, but that doesn’t mean it can’t go on another 5 years.

      You present a clear easy equation where we either pass or fail. I prefer to try and place a grade. You assume it is impossible to go back to the Clinton years. I assume this government will “try” and work on debt reduction and stabilizing the tenuous economy at the same time. I have also stated I don’t believe they can succeed, but I never stated it as an impossibility. You closed the door 5 years ago and have assumed we were dead on arrival. Well we aren’t dead yet. You can rant and rave all you want but 5 years into this we are still standing. If we manage to totally stop the Fed bond purchase that alone will reduce government debt. If we cut the loopholes for the top end and trim social programs that will be all that is needed to “fix” the problem.

      Keep calling me an idiot, naïve, duped, or a dreamer. The bottom line is TODAY all economic activity is putting on a showing that is the best in 5 years. If it fails to go anywhere than so be it. If we immediately fall into a black hole of debt and defaults you still will not be able to dismiss the last 5 years. You can’t declare the crash proved debt implosion causing a deep depression since we have since added to that debt. The breaking point is where exactly? Do you know? Did you look at the latest retail numbers? How in the world is that possible TODAY? faked of course as are earnings from those fake sales.

      I still have to defend my position? How very strange.

      • Redwilldanaher December 14, 2013, 11:49 pm

        If pretending has worked so well and things are so bitchin’, why are you concerned to the point that heading back to the fake Clinton years is your goal?

        Why change anything? Why worry at all? Why should you of all people worry? You love that it is all based on unsustainable fantasy. You worship the window dressing.

        If I opened 100 credit card accounts and acted like a rockstar you’d be impressed. That’s what your argument distills down to…

      • Rich December 15, 2013, 11:26 pm

        Gary, an illustrative example if you please

        I put a cherry wood dining table set on CraigsList

        The first response was from a fellow who claims he works on a constant traveling basis for the motion picture industry and cannot inspect the table (to make sure it is fairly priced), but will gladly forward the full price plus shipping costs to PayPal if I will only give him my account number without his contact info provided

        Perhaps he is filming in Nigeria?

        Would you do business with this guy?

      • Rick Ackerman December 16, 2013, 12:39 am

        More straw men, Gary. In the years that you’ve posted here, I can’t recall your ever having restated or summarized someone else’s argument correctly. With the post above, your perfect record remains intact.

  • Andrew Gutterman December 13, 2013, 3:15 pm

    This comment is for Gary, et al…

    Inflation comes about by two methods in an economy, and only one in ours.

    1. Physical printing of paper money. The Weimar Republic did that in the 20’s, other countries have done it as well. We haven’t. At least not in the 20th or 21st century.

    2. Rapidly expanding labor force. What is known as cost-push inflation. We got that in the 60’s and 70’s, when 80 million baby boomers entered the job market and companies had to hire them. Higher costs got passed on as higher inflation.

    The world would have you believe that Volcker killed the inflation in the 80’s, but like all FED mythology, he was only reacting to events, not creating them. Labor force growth stopped accelerating around 1977/1978 and went into long term decline to where we are today. I expect negative growth in the labor force over the next 10 years, unless we encourage more immigration. (Guess who isn’t going to support THAT idea?)

    http://www.economagic.com/em-cgi/charter.exe/blsln/lns11000000+1961+2013+5+0+0+290+545++0

    Guess what else started a long decline since then?

    Inflation rates, interest rates, gold prices, a whole host of things. Guess what didn’t decline?

    Debt. It mushroomed. Relative to the economy we are at all all-time high with respect to debt.

    For 6000 years when that happened we always got the same results.

    Debt deflation.

    Won’t be any different this time around. Not if, but when. Nobody knows for sure. Markets don’t operate so you can know in advance what to do, you just have to wait it out.

    In the meantime you want to get your debts paid down as fast as you can, because when the deflation hits its the opposite of inflation, you are paying debt service with more expensive money.

    Andy

    • Jason S December 13, 2013, 8:39 pm

      Andy, I would like to add that if Gary’s view was correct then all these companies who are hoarding cash are acting destructively. If inflation is the name of the game and deflation is strictly a monetary phenomenon then they would be far better served to unload all of this cash by buying back stock or buying productive things and then going into as much debt as possible to lock in these generationally low interest rates.

      Hmm, don’t see that happening. Wonder why?

      &&&&&&

      One of the purposes of deflation is to make sure that companies never get to cash out their alleged $2Tr surplus. In the end, as C.V. Myers stated, every penny of every debt must be paid — if not by borrowers, then by lenders,

      The implication is that there are no actual surpluses in a world that has piled up hundreds of trillions of dollars in liabilities. Deflation, in the form of bankruptices, will wipe the slate clean. RA
      R

      • Cam Fitzgerald December 13, 2013, 9:10 pm

        Exactly Jason. Business is just not buying the recovery myth. We know it by their actions not their words. If anything they are fortifying their balance sheets in many cases for a protracted period of stress and some will be sharpening their pencils for when their adveraries stumble and assets come cheap again. I don’t know about anyone else here but when I see the corporates building a war chest of cash and holding back on hiring it does not make me think we are about to embark on a big fat expansion. Actually it reminds me more of what happens when a person falls accidentally into an ice covered cold lake. All the blood automatically goes to the core to protect the life of the victim at the expense of the limbs that risk freezing off and being lost.

  • Rich December 12, 2013, 11:15 pm

    Cheers All

    Coming up for air from the campaign, picking up momentum

    Saw this and remembered Rick mentioning it a long time ago as a major blow

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-25312674

    Out of $MID for what it’s worth

    Daily, Weekly and Monthly look down

    Regards*Rich

  • maria coccolino December 12, 2013, 8:55 am

    Hi Rick

    Why do you think deflation is certain but we may experience hyperinflation as well? FED has all in it control. Dont you think so?

    Faithfully Yours,

    Maria

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    Look around you, Maria. To recognize deflation, you need only consider its chief symptom: an increase in the real burden of debt. This now obtains everywhere. RA

    • Gary leibowitz December 12, 2013, 8:30 pm

      So far the burden of debt is being controlled. While we have that pressure today the fed is wining for now. Real growth is seen even though it is muted from past recoveries. When did a deflation spiral NOT result in eventual hyper inflation? We will soon see if this pattern continues. I am only guessing inflation win out yet again. We are in new territory.

      • Buster December 12, 2013, 9:39 pm
      • gary leibowitz December 13, 2013, 3:07 am

        Buster your remarks are from left field. It has NO correlation with debt. In fact the current budget deficit and debt burden is placing MORE sacrifices towards the lower class, which is arguably backwards. Budget cuts are affecting the poor more than any other group. That means in plain English that the rich and powerful that control Washington believe all poor are slackers that don’t deserve their hand-outs. Sad how we divert diminishing government funds towards the top. If that is what you are arguing about I agree, it is shameful.

      • Cam Fitzgerald December 13, 2013, 11:07 am

        Gary, do you even bother to check what you are writing before you hit send? Did the Great Depression result in a hyperinflation as just one example to counter your post above? The US has in fact experienced many depressions. Show me all the hyperinflations that followed please…….and as far as the Fed “winning” goes I think you don’t really have any idea what we are up against. Growing our way out of the past debt pile will mean much higher inflation rates and those will be accompanied by higher interest as a consequence. The servicing cost of debt is already consuming most of the tax base though. Meanwhile I don’t think anyone has an answer to the riddle of eliminating program spending as a way to cut the deficit and doing it without shrinking the consumer economy in the process. For example what impact do you think would result if pensions, medicare spending, subsidies or social benefits were reduced to help balance the books? Expenditure cuts will immediately result in falling taxes at the margin. And tax cuts now, while generally a great idea, will just compound the deficit gap. Perhaps the problems the Fed is dealing with are better referred to as being “contained” for the moment. I don’t think it can last forever though. A reckoning has only been deferred to a later date thus giving the banks time to prepare. Too bad most of them have used the time so unwisely. You had best take off your rose coloured glasses because it does look like a defaults at civic, state and Federal levels are inevitable some time down the road.

      • Buster December 13, 2013, 7:46 pm

        “It has NO correlation with debt”

        Quote from someone wiser than myself that I forget the name of:

        “It’s all about the debt, Stupid”

        Poverty, the economy, progress , the future of the West, even, are all slaves to the monetary system of debt that controls us.
        The day you fully grasp this fact will be the day you start to understand reality with a more mature comprehension, & one no doubt that will ease your own ‘burden’ of flack from those who’s experiences of this ‘reality’ are in congruent to your own.

        As an aside, the only help from the government that the poor really need, desperately! is for it to get off their damned backs!

    • Rich December 15, 2013, 11:18 pm

      Wimpy thus illustrates deflation:

      I will gradually pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today

  • PatagoniaSUPERSPIC December 10, 2013, 11:08 pm

    I agree with cam on most he’s written here today, re fed will soon taper away, maybe a drop from 85b to 60b (but, with new sleigh-of-hand trickery added, kudos cam).

    However, I totally disagree with cam, in that commodities, including gold, will start new bull market.

    yes, gold is long shortterm way overdue, for a strong (bearmarket) bounce, to clear out the clowns.

    but that will be, the time to sell, gold, and other commodities, including the one with a phd in economics, copper.

    for it will all just be, a strong (bearmarket) temporary bounce.

    For are you all aware, that the usa stockmarket right now, is at an alltime margin high?

    and do you know what that means, historically, alltime margin highs? not good.

    here, take a look at this free 1 page article, from elliottwave intl., with 1 grear chart—

    http://www.elliottwave.com/freeupdates/archives/2013/11/29/NYSE-Margin-Debt-at-All-Time-High.aspx#axzz2mh6xYeMr

    and yes, the madness can go on for more weeks, or even more months, but, history screams, that this always, ends badly. and in this case, very badly.

    I can see several days of huge future overnight drops, triggering market opening bell stops. several days of them. until market reaches half of what is is now. 8000 dow. or worse. and the fuel it needs, are, the ever perennial, ‘margin calls’. swift and fast. only a few days. and that’s what alltime high margin breeds, like it did in 87, and in 29.

    I continue to think 08 was just a warm up. world markets are headed to a much worse time. meanwhile, gary l. is correct, play the game, it may still go up, for months; but, do be aware, this is a lifetime end game.

    and gold will not do well, alike wise copper, and likewise all commodities, amidst the great deflation, of alltime. for they will have to be sold, to pay for margined debt.

    the comparison of current alltime highs in margin debt lent, tell the full story, to those that will eventually hold the bag, at the end of today’s alltime, insane market folly. so get out of stock AND bond markets, while you still can, that’s my recommendation. that is, if you value your survival, post big banks and brokerage closures, where they don’t give you even a penny….. my opinion.

    • Troll December 12, 2013, 2:50 am

      This might be true, but the Fed (so I have heard and read) has used printed money to keep the markets afloat.

      So, while it “appears” they have done nothing but waste money, they have in fact purchased assets (ie stocks) with all that printed money. They do not need to sell said assets, especially considering what it cost the Fed to purchase them (nothing).

      Margin? Sure it’s a concern (not for me, personally, but for the markets in general).

      The rules have changed.

      Big government meddling is king.

      Embrace it. There is no point fighting it (at least, not yet).

    • Cam Fitzgerald December 12, 2013, 8:27 am

      Troll, let me assure you that mortgage backed securities (MBS) and Treasuries, the primary targets of Fed buying, are indeed quite real. I won’t bother going into a long explanation but rest assured that if the Fed experiment in taking them onto its balance sheet fails we will have a hell of an awakening one fine day. Those debts represent real transactions and/or actual government spending as the case may be. The liabilities they represent will have to be cleared at some point down the road but as you are probably aware the debt itself is already so large they cannot conceivably be repaid in a lifetime. Something else will happen and I doubt it is going to be pretty. For now we suspend our disbelief as the Fed conjures money out of thin air to buy real debts. Do not doubt for a moment though that there are serious concerns in that bank about how large thier balance sheet has become now that it has reached 4 trillion dollars. Every policy has limits. A continuation only makes an eventual national default unavoidable.

      • gary leibowitz December 14, 2013, 1:58 am

        Regarding inflation/deflation I never stated all deflation is followed by inflation. I said the duration of time has always favored a long period of inflation after a short period of deflation. Deflation is a rare event. Much more rare since the 30’s.

        As for your definition of inflation and deflation it has to be revised after credit replaced cash as the means for trade. We are in a new dynamics. The proof I have is this last 5 year stint. Did anyone think that inflation could be contained and deflation kept at bay at the same time? Surely it takes more than debt saturation to break this current dynamics. The hordes of printed money did not directly go into the economy, but rather into bankers hands. Bankers did not pass on their windfall to lenders. As the credit market loosened so too will the ability to inflate. Debt by itself will not cause another deflation spiral. You would need confidence to fall dramatically.
        In the end though in order to have a spiraling deflation environment governments would have to sit on their hands. Not likely to happen. They will do everything possible to prevent that from happening, even if it destroys their own currency.

        My money is on another bout of inflation to cause panic over debt repayment. it does not have to get to double digits this time around, but it does have to get another 200 basis points higher.

        In fact I would classify the last 5 years as a deflationary period even though it was offset by commodities rising. The net affect was still positive inflation. creditors did not panic because of the world governments actions. We will get easier credit from here on out which will cause inflation to rise. I don’t think that will happen until mid-2014 however.

        ******

        Managing the inflation/deflation conundrum for an indefinite period is impossible; the quadrillion dollar financial fraud is simply too large for that and will have to be marked to market, eventually, via hyperinflation or a ruinous deflation.

        Nor was the low inflation we’ve had over the course of an unprecedented monetary blowout “planned”. It merely reflects a temporary stasis between hugely inflationary monetary policies and a vastly larger, albeit still unactualized’, deflation.

        When these forces are finally reconciled, it will be with the force and swiftness of a thunderclap, not the result of some political decision by the puny central banks. RA

      • Cam Fitzgerald December 14, 2013, 4:36 pm

        “Regarding inflation/deflation I never stated all deflation is followed by inflation” ~~ Gary
        ————-
        Gary, what you wrote was …. “When did a deflation spiral NOT result in eventual hyper inflation?”

      • DK December 14, 2013, 6:20 pm

        Rick, excellent response, as you continually do so deftly.

        Cam, it falls on deaf ears, no matter how black and white you illustrate it.

  • Andrew Gutterman December 10, 2013, 3:42 pm

    I quote Cam “My bet is that before spring we see a strong comeback in metals, grains, softs and of course gold.”

    So you see a much stronger economy going forward? Absent obvious signs of impending inflation the only thing that triggers an across the board rise in commodity prices is growing demand in the USA, along with an expanding economy.

    I hope you are correct, as it will enable me to pay down my debt easier than if we continue to struggle as we have over the last few years. Better economy translates into more sale which is more income for me.

    I can see gold doing a rise to about 1300 before either taking off or resuming its decline. 1300 represents the intersection of both a rising and falling trendline resistance. In other words at the apex of a triangle.

    I’m looking at gold being a leading indicator of our economic future. And right now its telling me that the future doesn’t look too good.

    Andy

    • Chuck December 10, 2013, 5:49 pm

      He’s right….in 2008 gold AND platinum were both around $800…..man, white gold at those prices…..funny thing is the spread was still $100 at those prices. This article caught my attention….RA may have to chime in – seeing how much he like GS.
      http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2013/12/09/volcker-rule-goldman-sachs/?iid=HP_River

      &&&&&

      I ‘like’ Goldman Sachs? Not hardly. RA

      • Troll December 11, 2013, 2:00 am

        Rick’s “like” for Goldman Sachs would only be because of the charts . . . and even then . . . not so much!

        &&&&

        No matter what the charts say, Steve, Goldman Sachs is pond scum. I wouldn’t trust anyone who works for the firm alone with my cat. RA

    • Cam Fitzgerald December 10, 2013, 7:12 pm

      Commodities can move on speculation alone, Andy, if that’s where the money flows. One of the outcomes of QEI was a crisis in food prices in some Middle Eastern and North African countries like Egypt based on bids coming out of New York and London. Demand for wheat and corn did not triple in a year’s time nor did supply fall by 60%. If price were simply an issue of supply and demand we could all become millionaires betting on directional price movements by knowing who is buying or who is in the mood to sell. Look at gold as a perfect example. Does that trade based on supply/demand? Of course not, it is speculation…..so then what is really moving prices? Don’t conclude that just because commodities fire up that it directly implies the global economy has gone on a tear again.

    • gary leibowitz December 12, 2013, 4:31 am

      I believe the deflationary pressures will peak by late 2014 and a real economically induced inflation building period will ensue. One where everyone on this board will have no doubt. One where you will switch your doom/gloom rhetoric from the Fed’s inability to stimulate to one where they pumped too much and over shot their target and ability to control inflation.

      I say this because governments have always been able to defeat deflation with every means at their disposal. This time should be no different. The end result however will be devastating. The next debt defaults will trump the last one we had. I expect the final curtain to fall in 2019 or so.

      Timeline: end of 2014 posts low in stock market and low in deflationary pressure. Bull market in stocks and economy till around 2019 where it all implodes yet again.

      And you thought I was an optimist. I just have a longer time span and more faith in the ability of governments to prolong the problem as long as possible. You have to admit so far they have done a great job holding off another devastation.

      • Jason S December 12, 2013, 6:07 pm

        Gary, I am presuming you meant to use the word inflation rather than deflation when you said, “I say this because governments have always been able to defeat deflation with every means at their disposal.”

        If not then your credibility just went negative. The Fed has never, ever been able to defeat deflation, no central bank has. It has to run its course and destroy the debt and bad businesses. The Fed is terrified of deflation because of its utter lack of success against it. It is their Kryptonite.

      • Gary leibowitz December 12, 2013, 8:18 pm

        Really? Are you sure? Seems to me that deflation since the fed was enacted contained deflation with devaluing the dollar. Maybe the official stats are faked as we’ll. with the power to print and force low rates they have stopped the spiral. I guess most here are happy with the low costs they see today. Even with the massive debt implosion no one can tell me costs are not rising.

        Using history I make assumptions the trend will continue. All deflationary bouts have been followed by much longer periods of inflation are you also disputing these facts?

      • Jason S December 13, 2013, 8:28 pm

        Gary, it just depends on your definition of deflation and inflation. Monetary deflation in a fiat system is pretty easy to beat (except for that pesky velocity issue), just create more of it. But when you look at deflation in terms of stagnate or falling GDP (or economic output) central bankers suck at dealing with it.

        As evidence, look at the link and you will see that prices rose during the height of the great depression but that time was still considered a time of deflation due to stagnate or falling economic output. Much like what we have now. Like gravity, deflation sucks.
        http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/2566501?uid=2129&uid=2&uid=70&uid=4&sid=21103116364791

        &&&&&&

        Deflation is an increase in the real burden of debt, and we are surely not beating that; nor can we. He who says hyperinflation will beat it is oblivious to inflation’s effect on creditors. RA

  • Redwilldanaher December 10, 2013, 3:25 am

    Nice work Rick and co., good reading!

    Final revisions being made to the script now. Get EOY bonuses out of way then the shooting will start.

    The next iteration of the great hoax is sure to entertain.

  • C.C. December 9, 2013, 8:49 pm

    “One thing’s for sure, whatever policy action is taken, it will not be one that subjects Treasury debt to market forces.”

    Did anybody notice Rick’s sentence above from the 2nd paragraph? Does anybody truly understand the implications of what it means? Did we not just have a brief experience in late September about what it means when, from March – early September, every expert and their brother announced with uber-confidence, that ‘tapering’ was here? Then, as the 10 year ramped to 2.94%, Reality hit the Fed…?

    I tend to agree with a Paul Craig Roberts quote from a month or so back: “They’re trapped – they’re trapped”…

    In a (highly) politicized economy, where information, speculation, rumor – and fact, determine outcomes in days, as opposed to Months, the finanico-politico economy – and the ‘perceived’ health thereof, by way of stock market (and housing market via mortgage rates/applications), will NOT be allowed to sink. It’s only amazing how short our collective memories are since 2008 to recognize and understand this pattern.

  • Cam Fitzgerald December 9, 2013, 8:41 am

    Incidentally Mario, it is my belief that the Fed will introduce a new program at the time QE is withdrawn. The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away as they say. It strikes me as highly probable that a more direct approach to exciting the molecules of economic activity are now being considered. There are a wide range of tools that can still be employed including disbursements directly into the economy as one option or changes to the status of reserves held on behalf of banks which currently earn a tiny rate of interest. Some inflation priming also looks inevitable although they will no doubt act with caution in that regard. Gold will benefit in my view as will most of the commodity structure and this is probably becoming essential given the level of resource deflation we have seen these past three years. So lets also anticipate a carrot and stick approach where on the one hand the candy dish is taken away but on the other a slightly more aggressive (and less costly) program is introduced to mollify markets and stimulate domestic activity. My bet is that before spring we see a strong comeback in metals, grains, softs and of course gold. Chart action is confirming this for me. We are seeing bottoming in a number of areas and retests of lows that should be ready to reverse. The timing could not be better and there does need to be another outlet to the aggressive rise that we have thus far seen in the Dow and other indexes.

    • Cam Fitzgerald December 9, 2013, 8:42 am

      In other words…….get ready to buy gold.

    • mario cavolo December 9, 2013, 1:12 pm

      Right, this is exactly the point. They won’t cut off the heroin without also creating the framework of a substitute, a new direction, a shift, blah blah… We could only imagine what the govt might announce…

      “Here’s what Janet, Congress, the Senate and I have decided in unison…”, proclaimed President Obama today, hailing a new future unprecedented in the history of American annals. “The FED’s QE did its job, assuring the stability and security of our banking system and now, as they shift their attention to more pressing matters, the American people will meet what they have been asking for, increased wages, less burden, better education and we will deliver! Today I announce that as bank support, clearly no longer necessary, is shifted to people support, to you our citizens, $1 TRILLION dollars will start flowing into your households and here is how it will be done…we are Americans, with families, with futures to be secured, not slaves to Wall Street!….blah, blah, puke, puke, blah, blah…” Geez, someone should bill me for this…:)

      Cheers, Mario

      • Cam Fitzgerald December 9, 2013, 1:37 pm

        Well, except for the obvious sarcasm, Mario, I think you appreciate the basics of how the next phase will unfold pretty darn well. Janet Yellen will surely put her mark on the next round of Fed supports and she will do it without traumatizing the investment community while at the same time assuring a Fed victory on withdrawal. Otherwise they risk losing credibility. I do not believe they will back down from withdrawal….not for one second.

    • Buster December 10, 2013, 11:49 am

      I agree that Gold should be of concern now, Cam.
      Of particular interest to all here should be the cross currency rates, since this is often how Gold evades our watchful eyes, traveling under its various guises to fool us.
      I wouldn’t like anyone here to get caught looking in the wrong direction, so I urge everyone to take a long, hard look at, say, Gold/GB£, or others, maybe with an Elliott Wave perspective, too.
      Oh, what a crafty market this is!

      Hope it helps.

      • Buster December 12, 2013, 1:50 pm

        Are we about to see the final lows in the metals, I wonder??

        Judging by the potential signs as mentioned above, the question that I have is whether we get a truncated final fifth wave or just a very short one, rather than what many appear to be expecting, ie. a great buying opportunity at much lower levels than this?

        At least from the perspective of the Gold/GB£ charts & others maybe, I suspect the market will do what it does best & thwart our expectations.

        &&&&&&

        If QE is replaced by some other, ostensibly inflationary gimmick/policy and gold rallies on the news, that is the rally you’ll want to buy. RA

      • mario cavolo December 13, 2013, 11:40 am

        PR / society wise, I think it would be a beautiful play on their part to somehow create the spin of QE type programs reducing supporting the banks and somehow supporting the people. Actually that’s the spin of Ocare and the oligarch gang is right on track turning America into a two class capitalism driven socialist society. Did I say that right?

        Between the political, banking and other corporate/lobby oligarchs and their PR firms, these folks are the supreme spinmasters.

        I still can’t believe folks like Gary hone in on the glory of record corporate profits and reasonable P/E ratios while somehow ignoring the depth and breadth of the damage done. Ooh hey, the wealthy 1% got 4x wealthier than they already were from 2008 til now, the CEO salaries went from 50/1 to 350/1, middle class wages are flat over the past ten years (oh! I forgot they ticked up a bit recently! Hoorah!) The only ones who made money “if” they were in the stock market were those in the stock market, which is mostly the institutions and banks who created this mess in the first place getting themselves filthy rich, while those real world normal people with money in the bank lost billions in real world daily living and retirement budget funds thanks to their paltry interest rate and skyrocketing bank charges. Meanwhile, as someone else mentioned, current leverage in the market is back up to the its 2008 highs!…

        Nah, everything’s fine, there hasn’t been any biased engineering or favoritism of any kind, in fact the whole country is better than it ever was, rising and improving as a whole, just like China! Hooha!…its all in our imaginations here at Rick’s dream land that anything afoul has gone on, that the “few” have benefitted while the “many” have been royally screwed into new low wage servitude, here comes the American reshoring and manufacturing growth trend! Ahh jobs! We can survive, thank you govt for all your help, we forget that you boiled us slowly like the proverbial frog in the first place in the name of money. The flaw and darkness of capitalism is well upon us, out of balance, out of control, outrageous and nothin’ to do about it…

        Cheers, Mario

      • Buster December 13, 2013, 7:14 pm

        “Did I say that right?”

        Yep, you said all of that about right, and very well, too, I might add. Now, we just need to endure it all, profit from it even, as Gary’s only coherent argument suggests, & most of all…..hope there is a point to all of it??

    • Rich December 15, 2013, 11:07 pm

      Agree Cam

      Long live RPMGF above 11.3 cents

      If the Fed stopped paying interest on Federal Reserves, and implemented Dodd Frank law banning commercial banks speculating with unsecured uncleared derivatives not marked to market, banks might actually start lending again, thus taking monetary velocity from all-time lows to actual real ShadowStat GDP growth again rivaling Reagan’s 8%, notwithstanding ShadowStat 9+% 1980 methodology CPI

      http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data

      Of course, then it would be a race between debt derivative defaults and real economic growth

      We have 237 years of history suggesting the private sector will outperform public mistakes

  • John Jay December 9, 2013, 6:23 am

    Very strange market action.
    Everything seems to just flatline until a sudden burst of orders sends it up rapidly for a few minutes, then it just flatlines again.

    Reminds me of a story about a snowbound train in Siberia that every so often sent a burst of steam through the heating pipes to keep the passengers from freezing to death.
    Just enough heat from the steam, nothing more than that.

    Someone at the futures markets controls might be doing the same thing.
    Keeping just enough liquidity, sent in short bursts to keep the markets levitating.
    Nothing more than that.

    The energy futures seem to be the exception, I see rallies and sell offs there that seem to reflect real supply and demand at work.
    Perhaps because in those markets you eventually have to actually deliver a real product.

    Crazy!

    • gary leibowitz December 10, 2013, 4:56 pm

      For the last 5 years we have had long stretches of upward movement. You don’t get over 100 percent rebound without it. Look at the inflow of money coming into the market. That alone will explain the move. Lets not forget that December is the 2nd best month of the year.

      Over stretched for sure. Enthusiasm is coming back.
      Those two should indicate a bear market is coming.
      As for the notion that the economy is improving relative to the dismal 5 prior years, look no further than consumer confidence, consumer participation into the market, steady employment around the 200K mark. The bleeding has stopped. Will we get a full recovery? Not likely, but the patient is off the death bed.

      I wonder if my responses are on target or not? Lets see what Rick says, the master of this universe.

      • Chuck December 10, 2013, 6:18 pm

        ‘the patient is off the death bed’…..how did he get on the death bed to begin with? Oh that’s right…..repubs and their wall street chicanery…or was that Clinton and the derivative debacle….??

      • DK December 10, 2013, 7:07 pm

        Great reply Chuck.

        I’m going to agree with Cam on the last article. Whether I disagree with him or not, Gary’s contrarian point of view fuels further discussion.
        However, due to his “data points,” I am constantly left wondering if he ever actually leaves his computer and goes for a walk downtown NYC or elsewhere. You do not need to look at statistics to know we are still up the creek without paddles, instead using our hands.

        About the last unemployment improvement, lets wait until the revision before we break out the pom-poms. Labor participation is supposedly around 63%, not good, but could be worse, if legit. Up something like 2/10.

        “The unemployment rate declined from 7.3 percent to 7.0 percent in November, and total nonfarm payroll employment rose by 203,000, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today. Employment increased in transportation and warehousing, health care, and manufacturing.”

        I’m with Jason, above, this is what happened last year.

        No doubt events like this helped:
        http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-01/amazon-to-hire-70-000-seasonal-workers-to-meet-holiday-demand.html
        http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2013/11/11/amazon-sunday-delivery-usps/3479055/

        That covers 3 of 4 sources of improvement from Amazon and USPS alone, and 1/3 of the total by itself. Just sayin’.

        CES says 15K exited the building, that quiets the cheerleaders a bit.

        Over the next few months, they will get further cushion in seasonal hiring at the many ski resorts throughout the country.
        That is assuming the weather holds up. Last year in CO, many resorts had the snow guns going until the end of the year. Friends of ours were told they would be shutting them down on 12/31 due to expenses, and would then proceed to huddle and pray for snow.

        However, personal and disposable incomes are down, savings are down; people are working for less. Wait and see.

        We all know why there was hiring in healthcare, no need for discussion

      • Rick Ackerman December 10, 2013, 11:30 pm

        Gary, the recovery is a crock, period. Consumer numbers, for one, are being sustained mainly by credit card borrowing. Ominously, the teaser rates that helped strained households augment stagnant incomes have begun to turn lethal, rising overnight to 17% or higher.

        Also, the re-fi mania that came to a crashing end last summer cannot happen again, since borrowers had to bring a significant chunk of their savings into the deal in order to take advantage of artificially lowered mortgage rates. Although borrowers did manage to reduce their monthly payments, providing a corresponding, albeit unsustainable boost to the consumer economy, there is no chance that they will be able to fold their newly amassed credit card debt into yet another re-fi.

      • Gary leibowitz December 11, 2013, 11:05 pm

        Are the actions of the Fed hidden? Is the P/E ratio true? If the last 5 years are a lie, so is the last 50 . Perhaps you can show me why credit is different today as opposed to pre-crash.

        For years you explain away the market as if you are the only one that truly understands. You put blinders on when discussing corp profits, yet we have had a remarkable run. Human pain with corp profits is not new nor an illusion. Why do I have to defend 5 years of hard verifiable facts? Are we really here? Perhaps this is a dream. argue how it isn’t sustainable, not the facts.
        As for current data all seents are near its best levels these past 5 years, are you arguing that low rates didn’t put money in people’s pockets? Borrowing is still no where near what it was 5 years ago

        Are you saying that the trillions spent went nowhere?
        Or are you suggesting it will eventually fail?

        &&&&&&&

        No one is saying anything, Gary. You’re doing all of the talking for everyone, having the same old arguments with yourself.
        RA

      • Gary leibowitz December 12, 2013, 12:47 am

        Same argument with the same results, higher market and profits. Burden is on you to show data that suggest we are at a critical point. You use precise technicals for your method yet refuse to dissect the market segments to show why today we are at critical levels. You don’t guess with your bets, as you do when you expecT a crash. Why use two different expectations. One uses exact targets while the other a general sense of doom. Your generalized doom feeling hasn’t worked.

        &&&&&&&

        Nice. Just how does a generalized doom feeling ‘work’? You are so full of it that you can no longer smell it.
        RA

      • redwilldanaher December 12, 2013, 6:40 pm

        While Gary applauds being mislead and along with his fellow amerikans being repeatedly lied to, others spend their time performing research and debunking the lies. Is more of, or a continuation of this what you cheer for?:

        http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-12-11/federal-reserve-100-years-boom-and-bust

        If we evaluate an organization’s performance by what it promised when it was created, the Federal Reserve has clearly failed the American people,” is how Murray Sabrin concludes this documentary on the first 100 years of the Fed’s reign. The sad truth, he details, is that “the USD has lost more than 95% of its purcahsing power since the Fed was created and the cost of living has skyrocketed since Nixon severed the last linkage between the USD and gold in 1971.” In short, the revolution of 1913 shifted power from individuals, communities and states to the federal government and its powerful allies in the private sector.

        Who created the problems that threaten us Gary? The burden is on you.

  • mario cavolo December 9, 2013, 6:22 am

    Impossible to see it any other way Rick. Really.

    First of all, do we think the FED is that stupid? Do we think they are going to make a move that will roil the markets and threaten the edifice?…of course not. Secondly, they and everyone knows that a behind the scenes factor impacting “official” unemployment stats is the decline in employment participation, at new lows. So they know as well as anyone that the situation is not as rosy as anyone might like to make it seem. Indeed as you said, they could easily justify waiting several basis points down to 6.x before doing anything and who knows what other host of excuses and reasons and conflicting data points that will be spun along the way.

    With all that said I will repeat my gentle reminder that the 100-150 million of the suffering, declining middle class, the country’s future reshored manufacturing lower wage slaves, are less and less an influential part of the overall policy concerns and a smaller and smaller piece of the global economic puzzle. Their economic fate matters less and less with each passing day because no matter how you slice it, there are 5x 100 million middle class rising, who BTW happen to have very low household debt levels, elsewhere on the planet (China, Latin America) with 50% of S&P500 earnings international, not domestic. Case closed IMHO.

    Cheers, Mario

    • Cam Fitzgerald December 9, 2013, 8:06 am

      I believe the Fed sees an exit from exceptional intervention as an urgent issue to be resolved quickly now, Mario. The popular notion that they can just print until the ends of the earth is totally incorrect. There is not a force on earth that can conjure wealth out of nothing perpetually and it has become clear this experiment has now run its course.

      What is happening is that they are at risk of permanently blowing up their own balance sheet as the buyer of last resort and have set the US on a very destructive course should they continue. QE was poorly thought out from that perspective to the extent that the economy might not function in the future without it.

      Folly of course. That outcome could only lead ultimately to a very serious economic crisis in the future where outright currency debasement and default became the only answer to ending the nightmare.

      This is why the equivalent of a mars invasion has now become probable. I see a taper as 100% guaranteed and expect the first cuts to come as early as January. The Fed will strike while the iron is hot so to speak. They must make their move while unemployment is still falling and before the business cycle turns down (as it inevitably always does).

      If not they will become trapped for several more years before another opportunity (hopefully) arises that will permit a graceful exit. The trap they now face looks to have a reasonable probability of resulting in a perpetual interventionist policy becoming entrenched. Many analysts are already declaring that the time to escape has come and gone already!

      My view is that the Federal Reserve will want to see the government more aggressively employ fiscal tools to help bring about a resolution to the economy’s problems. The baton will be handed off. They have after all done quite enough and the effects of QE that initially appeared quite beneficial now look to be creating substantial economic risks.

      So put a stimulus withdrawal on your agenda for early in the New Year. The Fed will withdraw at least modestly and damn to torpedoes. They will otherwise become permanently cornered to a position from which they cannot escape. Checkmate? Just ask yourself how likely it is that the Fed will honestly entertain their own destruction without making a run for the fences first? That agency ultimately faces extinction if they cannot escape this QE noose, and quickly.

      • mario cavolo December 9, 2013, 1:05 pm

        Superb complimentary thoughts added to the dialogue Cam…what more to say?…let’s watch the unfolding 🙂

        Cheers, Mario

        &&&&&&

        Well argued, Cam. The ‘now or never’ factor you cite is compelling. Policymakers shouldn’t kid themselves, though, that the recent 3.2% GDP number and 7% joblessness indicate a truly strengthening economy. We need only look around us — to be open to anecdotal evidence, and to see with our own eyes the dismal state of the retail landscape — to recognize that most of the country never emerged from the Great Recession. Nor will it, faced with the huge new tax that has been imposed on America via soaring healthcare premiums. RA

      • Jason S December 9, 2013, 7:47 pm

        Cam, your argument is sound except that it is based on the assumption that the Fed is still independent. I think that what we are going to see is the outcome of a politicized Fed. If they do taper, with or without warning, the markets will likely react negatively and next year is an election year. I don’t think the politicians will stand for it so they will command the Fed to do its job of making them palatable. There may be a slight reduction but my guess is that it will be short lived for those reasons.

        Also, while the unemployment numbers were good, it looks to me like a sizable part of it was due to hiring for the holiday season. So it would not surprise me to see the numbers be worse than expected when they report (or more likely when they revise) January employment numbers.

      • gary leibowitz December 10, 2013, 4:37 pm

        The bottom line: Earnings. I say it is doing very well, if you trust the thousands of individual reports. Tax burden in the future is targeted for people earning over 200K. I do believe that will relieve some of the huge imbalances discussed here. But no one wants to discuss or believe this, just like the last 5 years was a phantom.

        Lets not forget the huge amount of money coming into the stock market. Even if it is dumb money it does cause the waters to rise. Finally the credit lending system is perking up. That alone will keep people feeling good and trying to maintain their lifestyle.

        Ignore consumer confidence along with all the other “faked” data points if you want. I just wonder how you can even play the game if you believe everything is an illusion? 5 years and counting for a debacle? Why can Rick find technical formula to play the game yet when it comes to macro economic trends so hard to find?

        When the New Year comes along and the Republicans refuse to extend unemployment, watch the level of unemployed drop even further. A great sounding bite for the democrats and Obama.

        We are due for a bear market, but it still doesn’t seem to be the final drop.

        &&&&&

        In the not-exactly-mild recession of 1973-75 — do you remember waiting two hours to fill up your gas tank? — it was a big deal when The Guvvamint extended unemployment benefits for 13 weeks. Now, you’re evidently saying, the Republicans should be crucified for not supporting the extension of these benefits…forever? RA

      • Redwilldanaher December 10, 2013, 5:50 pm

        It was and remains an artificially engineered hoax, my addicted friend. Better still these illusionists’ tricks were predicted and expected by those here in this forum. Meanwhile it is many years later and you are still erecting straw men and fighting phantoms of your own, forcing Rick to take counter measures.

        Notably, Mario has taken the so called minority positions many times in this forum yet he’s still welcomed and treated respectfully aside from his reactionary anti-gun ownership madness 😉

        I would take a few pages from his book.

        Click below for Stockman on monetary heroin addiction.

        Stockman: reported earnings in sp500 up 5% in 2 years while index up 45%.

        Stockman short interview link:

        http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-12-09/david-stockman-rages-market-valuation-has-lost-any-anchor-real-world

        If Stockman is to be believed, your earnings, even on the surface, haven’t kept pace despite the fact that Wall St. is drowning in it…

      • Redwilldanaher December 10, 2013, 5:57 pm

        Apparently even monetary heroin addiction has its momentary limitations…

        Very few people would try to keep a straight face and argue repeatedly as you have that affairs have been handled prudently and properly by the fraud er the Fed and the government in these times. They’ve been the source of the bubbles in recent history and their “fixes” have only made things worse. Only a committed fool could not see this as the truth. Please realize that if you blame greedy Wall Streeters that you need to wake up, as you will effectively be arguing my side. Yes Gary, Wall Street owns the government and the fraud er Fed.

      • Mario December 13, 2013, 2:56 am

        Wayne, I was confused but now I’m not. On the explanations of our admirable financial system and the glories of corporate oligarch capitalism rooted in mighty America, Gary is right and the Pope is wrong.

        Silly me.

  • Wayne December 9, 2013, 6:12 am

    I live in Chiraq, and it is amazing how much vacant and empty commercial property there is. Even many well established franchises fold, so many of the commerical strips and districs are proverbial ghost towns. The worse part is that the village and townships take over the property and offer terms for the lease way outside market rates and with outrageous stipulations.

    It’s sad to witness the USS of A’s engineered decline and deliberate deindustrialization. So many skeleton cities now.