Economist’s 1999 Warning Now Seems Quaint

[My apocalyptic interview with economist Kurt Richebächer in 1999 seems almost quaint 15 years after it appeared in the Sunday San Francisco Examiner. He predicted economic disaster; what we got was a quadrillion dollar derivatives bubble whose benefits bypassed the working man but enriched the fat cats of the banking world. Regarding economic Armageddon, permabulls will shake their heads and say, “You guys have been wrong forever.” Permabears, for their part, should only have to acknowledge a failure of the imagination. For who would have believed that the brazen lies that sustained the economy back then would metastasize a hundredfold, even as untold trillions in credit stimulus failed to produce much growth? Richebächer, who died in 2007, might shake his head in disbelief. But he would not recant.  RA]

The dismal science will never be the same if Dr. Kurt Richebächer’s dire predictions for the global economy should come to pass. The former chief economist and managing partner at Germany’s Dresdner Bank says a deflationary collapse lies ahead that will ravage the world’s bourses and usher in a dark period of austerity and financial discipline.

Probably not one economist in 50 shares his views, at least not publicly. Richebächer, now living in France, says many of his American colleagues have been seduced into ignorance and complicity by Wall Street’s billions as well as by their love affair with mathematical models that shun fundamental laws of economics. Where they see a New Era of productivity growth and industrial efficiency, he sees duplicitous bookkeeping and manufacturing’s steep decline. They talk of a booming U.S. economy; he sees a profitless mirage. They worship capitalism’s bold risk-takers; he scorns them for recklessly piling leverage to the sky.

Someone’s going to be wrong, but judge for yourself who.

Economic Heresy

Like the theories of Copernicus 500 years before him, Dr. Richebächer’s logic is no less sound or compelling than the Polish scientist’s once-heretical notion that the earth revolves around the sun. Richebächer asserts that the U.S. investment boom in computers borders on statistical hoax. It began in 1995 with the government’s implementation of a “hedonic” price index designed to capture both the falling prices and the rapid rise of computational power of each new computer.

This is akin to measuring GM’s auto sales by tallying the horsepower of all the engines in its cars, says Richebächer. Applied to the computer business, it has exaggerated investment levels exponentially. For example, during the 12-month period ended March 31 the business sector increased its net investment in computers from $91.8 billion to $97.2 billion, accounting for a paltry 1.3 percent of nominal GDP growth.

But when government statisticians multiply that $5.4 billion increase by their hedonic supercharger, the figure swells to $146 billion.

This has worked wonders on America’s bottom line, boosting the computer sector’s nominal 1.3 percent contribution toward GDP growth for the period to 49 percent, and the 4 percent contribution for the years 1996-1998 to 38 percent. For the first half of 1999, the effect has been even more pronounced, giving the computer industry a whopping 93 percent share of GDP growth. Remove the computer industry from the ledger, however, and the vastly larger rest of the economy had actual growth of just 2.5 percent during the three-year period vs. a reported 4 percent. Meanwhile, last year’s expansion would have been a middling 2 percent, and the uptick in productivity that has recently cheered economists would fade to insignificance.

Statistical Tricks

The obvious question is, how could the computer industry, with barely more than 1 percent of the total workforce and plunging product prices, be responsible for what most economists read as a dramatic improvement in America’s standard of living? The answer is that it could not. And has not. Hedonic accounting makes the computer sector look like an economic hero, but any statistically significant improvement in our standard of living would necessarily have to come from the spreading use of computers across the entire economy.

Computers are indeed everywhere, but evidence that they have substantially boosted U.S. productivity remains elusive to say the least, says Richebächer. In this assertion he has corroborating testimony from no less an authority than Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan. In a 1997 speech in Frankfurt, Germany, Greenspan acknowledged that a straightforward interpretation of certain service-economy data suggests that productivity output per man hour has actually been falling for more than two decades.

Greenspan called this implausible, offering the explanation that prices may have been mismeasured. But whatever the reason for the anomaly, the Fed chairman is obviously at pains to convince us that he and his staff of Ph.D.s truly understand how to measure productivity accurately.

A Fed Orgy

If productivity growth in recent years has been largely illusory, the spectacular expansion of credit during that same time has been all too real, warns Richebächer (pronounced REESH-a-baisher). It didn’t happen by accident. The economist says the Fed started the real orgy last fall with a series of rate cuts intended to shore up some hedge funds that had gotten in way over their heads by amassing huge positions in leveraged credit instruments.

The Fed’s massive gift to debtors quickly found its way into the mortgage markets, where homeowners ran up new borrowings in 1998 to more than $1.5 trillion, nearly two-thirds of it in refinancings.  The hot money spread like lava into the financial system. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, quasi-governmental agencies which buy up mortgage loans, expanded their balance sheets four times as quickly as they had the previous year, with $220 billion of growth vs. $61 billion in 1997.

This put an estimated $15,000 into the pocket of each re-fi customer, kicking off a spending binge that pumped housing and stock prices to record heights.

It also created a financial bubble whose collapse Richebächer says we will eventually have to reckon with. He says the four classic elements of a bubble are all present and most obvious: 1) money and credit have been expanding vastly in excess of both savings and GDP growth; 2) inflationary pressures are being channeled toward, and concentrated in, asset prices; 3) low inflation has kept monetary policy too loose; 4) soaring asset prices have overstimulated domestic borrowing and spending.

Nothing Has Changed

The Richebächer Letter, published by Baltimore-based Agora Publishing, circulates widely among top-level financial decision-makers, probably because it is so good at poking holes in the prevailing wisdom. What has he been saying lately [in 1999]? Just this: Profit performance in the U.S. economy has been appalling during the stock market’s steep rise of the last several years, but accounting gimmicks designed to please Wall Street have masked the weakness. Compared to a year ago, profits per share on the P 500 have declined from $39.72 to $37.71, and on the Industrial Index from $42.13 to $38.37. Over that time, as all investors know, share prices on the 500 have risen spectacularly.

The trade deficit, which sent $233.4 billion abroad last year, is the biggest profit-killer in the economy. It has been offset, albeit precariously, by a household sector that has consumed manically with borrowed dollars and dissavings.

The bulls believe the Fed will keep the credit machine running full speed if the economy starts to falter. But full speed is not enough, since sustaining growth in the economy and the stock market will require ever-larger credit injections. With the personal savings rate already in negative territory, it is by now manifestly impossible to increase dissavings to the extent necessary to produce continued economic growth.

The “profit miracle” of the 1990s is nonsense. What kicked the stock market into high gear earlier in the decade was mainly the one-time effect of lower borrowing costs induced by a recklessly generous Fed. Profits have weakened since in absolute terms and egregiously relative to soaring share prices.

The widespread use of stock options to compensate employees has caused corporate earnings to be grossly overstated, since the options reduce the amount of wages charged against profits. If properly accounted for, stock options would have lowered aggregate published profits by 56 percent in 1997 and 50 percent in 1998, according to figures Richebächer cites from Smithers Co., a London-based research institute.

Derivatives Risk

Derivatives can insure individual market participants against risk, but not system as a whole. Ultimately they have spurred higher risk-taking through leverage, exposing the global financial system to the prospect of devastating failure.

Richebächer, who counts former Fed Chairman Paul Volcker among his close friends, says U.S. economists of the 1960s would more readily have recognized these problems and acted stridently to counteract them. Public discussion was still influenced back then by staid economists who represented the banks and who knew their theory. The current crop, however, is “really a part of Wall Street’s sales force to sell shares,” he says.

In contrast with European economists, their theoretical thinking is “not too deep,” notes Richebächer, and in recent years has been completely eclipsed by mathematical models that fail miserably in reckoning with the crucial variable of human behavior.

The current level of thinking is “unbelievable,” he says. “How can you simply overlook a negative savings rate and mountainous trade deficit” in saying the economy is healthy and robust? “There is almost no one left in America to pose critical questions about economic fundamentals,” he laments. Meanwhile, “the only miracle about the American economy is the consumer’s amazing propensity to borrow,” a fact which Richebächer says has delayed a day of reckoning.

Even if there were someone raising such questions, one might ask, would anyone be listening?

  • Iro Noiro August 3, 2014, 3:10 am

    Can any, one market, drive another market? Can the S&P500 drive the DJIA up or down?

    • VLADY BOY August 4, 2014, 1:23 am

      iro, forget markets. cultivate your small garden. it will serve you better, as a samurai.

  • Iro Noiro August 1, 2014, 8:31 am

    DJIA can correct all the way down to 15,100 the market isn’t going to flinch, 100 and 1,000 point swings are the new normal. If 15,000 is crossed the next stop will be MASSIVE support at 11,000 and even that may be taken out to lower lows from over zealous selling. The weak hands will get the ball rolling and even the strong hands may feel the end is nigh. The strongest of the strong hands will be buying everything on sale and back to business as usual. This is an era of extreme volatility that will persist for decades. Think about it for a minute, big, big, huge institutional money has really nowhere else to go but get plugged right back into indexes… and commodities.

    _Iro

    • CORRUPT VLAD August 2, 2014, 11:14 pm

      tosh-iro mifune, everything you say is potentially correct, mechanically wise.
      however, there are deeper issues, in this matter, than non ever-ending created-fiats.
      and that is a ‘minor matter,’ called the rollerball effect, of ever-collapsing mega-debt.
      because once it starts… as ‘the chairman of the board’ said: ‘you ain’t seen nothin’ yet…’

      for, do you know what the most deflationary word in the entire human universe is?

      d-e-f-a-u-l-t.

      and there is gonna be plenty of that, cascading one after the other, when big doo-doo hits.

  • mario Cavolo August 1, 2014, 3:01 am

    Rick, seems “reply” is creating new posts…? Might ask your web guy to check…

  • mario Cavolo August 1, 2014, 2:57 am

    Why can’t an intelligent person consider that when the market turns down it doesn’t mean the beginning of a “crash”? That’s absurd thinking…doomsayer I respect in that we are aware of the many egregious wrongs in the system. However, the presence of those wrongs does NOT in any way negate the presence of growth, strengths, expansion, which also exists. One-sided thinking either way throws up a red flag in my mind every time. It is far more likely the market will correct down to 16-17-1800 than that it will plummet to hell. Get a grip folks.

    V, you may be absolutely right that America is more disdained than ever…you just forget that can continue for another century or so as part of the status quo. Some one else noted China has no interest in rmb becoming the reserve currency, and demolishing the dollar, etc. Of course that’s correct, they have NO interest in havoc, while they will quietly and steadily continue expanding international rmb presence and transactions. They will never stupidly shoot themselves in the foot as a major player in the global economy. A dose of common sense is needed.

    Cheers, Mario

    • Jason S August 1, 2014, 6:18 pm

      Mario, I agree. Unless there is some sort of crisis like in 2008 that works like a switch to turn the global economy off, this market action doesn’t look like the beginning of the end.

      IMO the trigger for the 2008 crisis was FASB saying MBS needed to be marked to market. That was the thing that was going to force everyone to notice the emperor had no clothes. There are more of those triggers out there but I don’t see it being active right now. (France’s slide toward recession could do it, the GASB new rules on government unfunded pension liabilities could do it, etc.)

      But for now, the best leading indicators that I know (auto sales, chemical activity barometer and yield curve) don’t point toward recession.

      &&&&&&&

      Bear markets very often start for reasons that do not become apparent for months. That’s why I wouldn’t be so quick to dismiss the stock market’s latest, wild swings as merely corrective.
      RA

      • Andy Gutterman August 2, 2014, 2:05 pm

        I remember the bear market of 73-75. Six quarters of rising earnings while the market went down.

        Andy

    • CORRUPT VLAD August 2, 2014, 10:51 pm

      “m”, if you know the meaning of the term,
      I constantly disagree with nearly all you write,
      since you are always as linear as a yardstick.

      1.
      “a dose of common sense is needed.”
      bull.

      many individuals have succeeded on many matters going totally against, “common sense.”

      2.
      “America is more disdained than ever…you just forget that can continue for another century or so as part of the status quo.”

      utter and complete bull.
      death of the ussa, as THE world power, is not 1 century away– it is at most, 1 decade away.
      for a zillion OBVIOUS reasons.

      3.
      “China has no interest in rmb becoming the reserve currency, and demolishing the dollar, etc. Of course that’s correct, they have NO interest in havoc, while they will quietly and steadily continue expanding international rmb presence and transactions”

      quietly?? you must be inhaling deeply in your wannabe-rich opium den.
      the RISE of china, as top world power (with ruskies as their pitbull), is EXPONENTIAL.
      and I have watched it closely, for 1 year. it grows, exponentially. 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, etc.
      and NOW china, nor russia, no longer give a flying fig about ANYTHING ussa ‘wants.’

      ergo, I give this bs turkey 1 more decade tops, for ussa citizens to turn into china peasants.

      and I attribute no right or wrong to this equation. it just is. ussa hegemony is ending FAST.
      and the rise of china, as top world power, at least for decades to come, is a CERTAINTY.
      AND IT’S ALREADY ALL IN THE NEWS, IF ANYONE BOTHERED TO LOOK.

      ussa is d-e-d- dead. they just don’t consciously know it yet. that they are zombies.
      the walking dead. however… subconsciously, they do know it. and they hate it.
      and that is why they argue so much, against it. because if they were truly confident,
      they would not bother to argue it all. or just laugh it.
      but trust me–the ussa is ALREADY d-e-d DEAD.

      and there is ZERO chance of reversal, of this.
      because standards in the ussa have been lowered so much, to allow simians to ‘compete’,
      that all new young human citizens have been reduced to simian levels, in their expectations.

      meanwhile, asians continue to study hard, like dogs, to win. to finally win, over caucasians.
      and they will.

      yet….. the 1%ers, from each country, will always, fare super richly well…. even ussa 1%ers.
      because, as dk says, ‘they adapt…’ haha… thus, always win. father to son, passed baton.
      nothing like a top ivy league education, or oxford’s, plus membership, in ‘skull and bones.’

      ‘way of the world.’ ain’t ever gonna change.
      so bite the bullet. and go your own way.

      &&&&&&&

      You purport to be responding to something Mario wrote, but it’s just an excuse to launch into your standard rant — one that we’ve heard a thousand times. Don’t you have anything new or original to say? RA

      • CORRUPT VLAD August 2, 2014, 11:31 pm

        go take a look at what ruler of north korea is doing.
        think. is that possible, with all fiats. dollars, yuans.
        to crush all those, with much hidden physical cash.
        I think it is possible. it’s difficult, but possible.
        but much to gain from it. in terms of power.
        especially under times of major duress,
        like a worse market crash, than 1929.

      • REPEATED VLAD August 3, 2014, 1:40 am

        “but it’s just an excuse to launch into your standard rant — one that we’ve heard a thousand times. Don’t you have anything new or original to say?”

        I will try harder not to keep blathering the same old ideas, Rick. Notice how I’ve already cleaned up my language. Just trying to be more of a gentleman in here, not just someone who will say anything to get noticed.

      • mario August 3, 2014, 3:50 pm

        It’s not a pointless rant V…. You may be right about U.S. decliningg terribly over the next ten years max, and I certainly agree with you about the breadth and depth of China’s economic strength. Where I think you’re missing the boat is how much the U.S. is linked into much of the strength outside its borders including China… societally and politically speaking, the country is a disgrace and shame in many ways. But it’s by no means a dead duck, there are alot of strengths internally and linked to abroad. You endlessly insist it is charred toast, the extremist view, I don’t buy it. . we’ll see.

      • VLADY BOY August 4, 2014, 1:30 am

        I am not dismissing the power that the ussa still has.
        however, I am a student of many matters, and history is one.
        and things can change forever, very quickly, in an instance, once–
        all ducks, are lined up, in a row.
        and I say, that they are, now.

        but, trying to be prudent, like you, haha, I give this ussa twaddle one decade, tops.
        and I think I am being generous in this. because the ussa ‘top power’ end-clock, is ticking.

  • mario Cavolo August 1, 2014, 2:43 am

    Hi Gary,

    “A fix was in and no one knows when that fix becomes recognized.”

    Contradiction to clarify here. The fix WAS in, obvious reverse robin hood by the FED that made the rich richer, AND it has bee 100% transparently reported and made public. You yourself have said this many times. QE supported stock market surely, but has ignored all the collateral damage more broadly across the economy and society.

    Cheers, Mario

  • VICIOUS VLAD August 1, 2014, 1:22 am

    I’ve written several things on this site, over last 2 weeks, on the trigger point of the crash. (Most have been erased by Rick because I have not respected his rules concerning gentlemanly conduct.) and one of them was my argentina. how default was inevitable, unless ‘vulture’ creditors, played ‘reasonable ball,’ and not try to squeeze every ounce of blood, from defaulted bonds. but no—because the ussa, has lately gone on a quest, to impress world power, dollar legal wise.

    but, I assure you, it signifies your doom. like the 9 BILLION dollar penalty last month,
    to a major french bank. and the list goes on and on; and so hatred worldwide, vs. the ussa,
    keeps growing larger and larger. the most hated people on planet earth today, are amerikains.

    so listen up. it is worth repeating. the most hated humans on planet earth are amerikains.
    so take a look at the world globe. and amerikain land, while large, is actually truly small,
    measured against the entire globe. and the hate is building, at mega-rate speed, now.

    because, now, there is –finally– an antidote to you.
    the china-russia-and world-friends CONSORTIUM,
    that I have written much about, herein, for 1 year.
    yet, before, it was only just a theory, of my own.
    but now, IT IS A DEAD CERTAIN FACT.

    and that is why, putin no longer gives a whoot, and is firing rockets from russian land,
    at ukrainian idiotic troops. idiotic, because they pretend, world is still stable. what a joke.

    and then, you have your UTTER CLOWN ussa vice pres., parading around the world,
    here to ukraine, there to jerusalem, and now to india–like anyone gave a whoot what he said,
    or what the trash ussa now ‘wants’ (with it’s 100% utterly corrupt system, and leaders).

    listen up. only thing that is still holding the broke ussa up, is betrayal of usa’s 1944 promise.
    by which they shoved dollars into sovereign coffers, as the ultimate reserve currency,
    completely backed by gold, at 35 bucks per ounce. and so, they made suckers, of us all
    (promise which, of course, nixon reneged upon, in 1971, which was all part, of ubers’ plan).

    but now, it’s end-of-game plan. upon which, ussa minion citizens, become for-life serfs.

    and if this, is too much of a mental leap for you to follow, then, go study some.
    its all there.
    hiding in plain sight.
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$

    market action today has a good chance of being the end all be all slide. with argentina as trigger.
    because, if, argentina can fail in payments (for whatever reason) then there are plenty of PIIGS,
    that can follow suit. and as such, it will be, all along as expected, that sovereign megadebt,
    would cause the greatest human debt crash, of it all.

    why? because those that are drawn to become politicos, are the greediest pigs, of all.
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    and all it takes IMO is a 10% -more or less- market fall, to trigger the greatest crash of all.
    it’s because of all the mega leverage, record leverage of all time. can you say ‘margin call.’
    but don’t go running off to buy puts, or go short. because I don’t brokers will pay, at all.
    ’cause they ain’t called broke-rs, for nothin’.

  • mario July 31, 2014, 4:33 pm

    Looking at the daily chart, a pivot low down around 1900 wouldn’t cause the bull trend to flinch. A pivot low at 1800-1820 is a 15% correction and had better lead us to a few months of range bound trading, giving the global economy time to realistically catch up with the indexes, or continue lower into some ugly territory due to who knows what straw that breaks the camels back.

    Cheers, Mario

    • Redwilldanaher August 2, 2014, 1:16 am

      You may be able to throw in a greater than $4 tril balance and everything that’s off balance sheet too…

  • Andy Gutterman July 31, 2014, 12:26 pm

    I joined this forum in January, 2009. Since then I’ve read every topic and most of the comments, even providing a few of my own. Looking back I see two camps: Gloom and Doom and Gary. You know what? For the most part Gary has been right on the money for the last few years, while most everyone else, including myself, have been forecasting imminent collapse.

    Yet no such collapse has happened. And I’m not convinced a collapse has to happen. I just listened to Casey’s Meltdown America. The United States is not Zimbabwe, even though so many people think it is. Nor are we Argentina, even though many think we are.

    And neither Russia nor China have the slightest bit of interest in replacing the US dollar as the reserve currency. Not only are both countries too unstable for that, but they don’t want the responsibility that goes along with being a reserve currency. (China purchased over $100 billion in Treasury paper over the last 6 months, about 8% of their total holdings. They are NOT going to dump the dollar!)

    So I think Gary is likely to continue being right. We can track his accuracy very easily. If Rick, et al is correct then the depression gets going full speed ahead in very short order. (Something most of us have been waiting on for the last 5 years, or more) At what point do we wake up and realize that somehow this time IS different? That somehow for all of the bad stuff going on commerce continues and people somehow make ends meet and even get more confident about the future?

    I’m a dedicated gloom and doomer, but even I can see that it hasn’t happened in the 25 years I’ve been forecasting it. Maybe being a G&D blinds us to what is really going on, and the economy is a lot healthier than we think it is. Or at least not on the edge of a precipice.

    Gary tells us what we don’t want to hear: As bad as the economy is underneath we aren’t yet at the point where its even close to coming to an end, so why not make the best of it instead of fighting against it?

    That’s not what Rick and others want to hear, so they try and shut him down, even going so far as to delete messages. (And I expect the same to happen to me if I disagree too loudly.)

    I look forward to more about how reality is vs. what most want reality to be.

    Andy

    • redwilldanaher July 31, 2014, 2:35 pm

      Yet another misleading take on what has actually transpired here since 2009. Yes there are doom and gloomers but very few have argued that a collapse was imminent. Inevitable? Yes, most definitely that has been the case but not imminent.

      Most too believe that the indices can remain detached and have not fought against their rise and my bet would be that they have actually profited from it due to their reliance on Technical Analysis in some forms.

      With respect to the rest of it, I didn’t believe the lies in 1992 when I got started as a market maker on the Philly options floor, and I’m certainly not going to believe them now regardless of how big, complicated, levered, parlayed and widespread they’ve become.

      See Rick’s time machine piece and commentary above.

      Rick tires of Gary’s droning on and on from time to time and puts him on pause. Myself and others, from time to time, put in an effort to refute the lies that Gary regurgitates here that he presumably hears on NPR or MSNBC, Amerika’s State Media. We also object to his constant mischaracterizations, his worship of totalitarianism and his faith and enabling of evil, unprosecuted criminals that pull the strings in this world. The folks that Gary cheers on and seeks to justify, are the same ones that have created all the problems that Gary purports to rail against. They’ve just managed to fool him in the sense that he think’s that minor puppets, John Boehner, Mitch McConnell come to mind, are actually the sort that are at the root of the problems.

      Gary remains a hostage of indoctrination and mass media psychological manipulation in my unprofessional opinion.

      The simple test for me is this: Does the person still blame one of the two political parties for this mess?

      That’s how I know that El Garo is hostage.

      • mario July 31, 2014, 4:25 pm

        Andy, RWD,

        I’ll chime in both sides. Andy, there ARE definitely very strong things happening in the economy, and those things are very much compensating for the many negatives that are all very well covered here on Rick’s board. Most folks here are very “American” though a few like myself, bring an overseas view. If you don’t look at “America” as an isolated place, you can easily understand how the other strengths coming from Asia/China are definitely helping to hold up the U.S. economy. There are a few other factors, but that’s a big one many don’t give enough credit to. For example, today’s China is still adding $700 billion per year steadily to its annual GDP, and that’s even with slow down in some key sectors. Plenty of that growth positively impacts the U.S. economy, no reason to believe otherwise, and I’ll only mention record levels of Chinese investment in both commercial AND residential real estate as just one indicator of what I’m saying here. And so in the end, we see things far too nearsightedly, despite all the obvious problems, the status quo could continue on for DECADES before a “collapse” , however it may come.

        RWD, you asked the perfect question, any one who blames either political party is obviously brainwashed by other party, the problems in the U.S. are so far beyond partisanship, its all about power and money and corruption, as has been the case countless times throughout history. When one side tries to point at political this or that, I just laugh with sadness from 7000 miles away at their ignorance. For the most part, the entire fabric of the society has been torn, the system a disgrace…even as many pundits are publicly stating it so because they truly do have the freedom of speech to do so in America. That’s surely a good thing, but they are all just howling at the moon to no avail, even more so showing us how broken the fundamental situation is. Anyone who believes something within that rotten matrix system is where the solutions will come from is deeply ignorant of reality, right there inside the place they want you to be.

        Cheers, Mario

        Cheers, Mario

    • gary leibowitz August 1, 2014, 12:09 am

      Andy, I must now declare all is lost since I found a convert. You might be the contrarian indicator I was looking for to declare a full blown crash is imminent. Joking aside I look at the current state of affairs as an historian. I do this because history has shown we repeat our offenses every generation. Child labor laws, Jim Crow laws, KKK, treatment of women, hedonistic roaring 20’s, have a similar ring to it when we compare it to todays troubles.

      Having said all this we are very close to another deep correction. I had expected it to start in October but if the indices don’t hold up around here we could see a decent slide lasting 3 to 5 months.

      As for a debt saturation causing a credit collapse, it seems unlikely today unless external events trigger one. Realizing the enormity of the debt load conservative play would be to hold cash and very little else. If you wish to build on your investments and try and time the market, as most here seems to be doing, I suggest we are only in the 7th inning of this bull run.

      • Andy Gutterman August 1, 2014, 3:50 am

        There is one more not so obvious source of strength in the economy that wasn’t present the last go round.

        The Internet.

        Its my whole reason for being. Not only do I sell books online but I sell software to other booksellers who sell books online.

        Amazon has over 2 million third party sellers, and eBay has maybe another 1.5 million. That’s a lot of folks making a living doing something that wasn’t available 20 years ago.

        Throw in all the small business websites and you may have a partial explanation for the resiliency of the economy.

        Andy

  • John Jay July 30, 2014, 4:11 pm

    Jason S,

    Speaking of coal, I was surprised to find the US has to import low sulphur coal!
    It seems that we have some of the worlds best low sulphur coal, but it was locked up by good ol’ Slick Willie in a Federal land grab back in 1996.
    Just google “Clinton Utah coal scandal” if you are interested in all the sordid details.
    Here is just one link:http://www.laissez-fairerepublic.com/indocoal.htm

    It is quite amazing Slick Willie and the Bush team can still appear in public and not be met by catcalls at the very least.
    Oh well, all the mob cares about is that August 8th is the first Oakland Raiders pre-season game!
    Raider Nation!
    I guess that explains it all.
    I guess.

    • Jason S July 30, 2014, 7:20 pm

      JJ, I had no idea about the low sulphur coal situation. Damn shame. I wonder how much money was contributed by Columbia and Russia to Clinton’s election fund to facilitate this.

      • John Jay July 31, 2014, 6:25 am

        Jason,

        Bill Clinton reminds me of an uptown, deluxe version of Mr. Haney from the old “Green Acres” TV comedy show.
        He never stops planning and working scams, cons, and outright robbery!
        And when he is caught, he is utterly shameless about his guilt, and just lies some more!
        That’s “Slick Willie” alright!
        Mr. Haney in a two thousand dollar suit!

      • VICIOUS VLAD August 1, 2014, 1:50 am

        jj, I’d agree with you on context, but not on content.
        because I don’t think mr. haney was a murderer.
        as bill clinton, most assuredly is. repeatedly.

  • DISGUSTED VLAD July 30, 2014, 3:41 am

    greenspan was one of a few young folk, in alisa rand’s inner circle, whom listened
    once a week, to her chapter by chapter drafts, of something called, ‘atlas shrugged.’
    she called these young bright kids, ‘the collective,’ in her own sense of ruskie dialectic humor.
    however, there was one snake in the grass, in that group. a weak one, called–greenspan.

  • Redwilldanaher July 29, 2014, 10:56 pm

    On the market front, seems like all the lowered bar/pre-rigged “beats” aren’t propelling the blue line further into the stratosphere. The boyz could be waiting on the fraudulent GDP number to launch a to the moon squeeze or they just might be distributing into the mania at these lofty levels. Think a pullback is due shortly, after the squeeze or not.

    • Redwilldanaher July 30, 2014, 12:06 am

      On a side note, electricity prices are at an all-time high.

      • Jason S July 30, 2014, 2:26 am

        Not surprising. Here in California, SCE has been mandated to have at least 20% of their power generation come from solar or wind. As you can see from the link below, those are expensive options. Too bad the libs are on a seek and destroy mission against coal, one of the most plentiful and inexpensive options.

        http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Cents_Per_Kilowatt-Hour

      • DISGUSTED VLAD July 30, 2014, 3:48 am

        red, electricity and gasoline, are double your price, in third world countries, like mine.
        so bite the bullet, kid.
        and get ready.

      • redwilldanaher July 30, 2014, 3:15 pm

        I hear you “DV”. I noted it only because the Fraud’s policies have worked in reverse with respect to “lifting main street”. As we all know that’s simply a lie but my point is that their policies are quite ironic. They’re charging the frog more to boil as they boil the little fella.

    • gary leibowitz July 31, 2014, 8:45 pm

      Rigged from low in 2009 of SPX 800. Yup it must be the “logical” answer. Yet here you are actually complaining that the move isn’t steep enough? Are you kidding me? Your complaint is that the “rigged” earnings bar isn’t propelling the market higher? Perhaps the street uses real matrix to determine the market value. They have been “spot on” for 5 years now. This consolidation is so far normal. if it went straight up you would complain about that too.

      Me, I wait for a real break down. Internals very good, while recent externals getting weaker. First line of defense is SPX 1930. Expecting a consolidation around that number for next 2 weeks. If it breaks badly below, watch out for a decent 20 percent correction.

  • gary leibowitz July 29, 2014, 8:35 pm

    The argument that we are a nation of smaller middle-class, larger poor, and more powerful and wealthy top tier is a repeat of the last great depression. It took extremes in the disparity to cause a break in our economic system. Today we are ever inching to that point, but I will argue we are just not there yet.

    The 1.5 trillion in outstanding student loans is already being addressed by congress. they will most likely allow a refinancing to lower payment terms, and payment extensions. This will have the same affect as the “fix” with housing. It will allow the debt burden to be loosened enough for the game to continue.

    A good reason why wall street and profits are doing just fine can be seen in the latest reports. US home ownership lowest in 19 years, and home price increases are slowing. That has a double affect on the market. It means no reflated bubble in mortgages and no source for inflation pressures. Since the two biggest component of inflation would be wage increases and home prices, along with a surge in home buying, the profit margins for corporations should stay high. Please note I am only taking about the stock market and its lofty levels.

    Now to the recent data that suggests consumers are getting back to the 2008 mentality. Confidence by consumers surged to levels not seen since 2008. Institutional investor confidence is still very strong. Service sector continues to expand at a very healthy clip and the Dallas Fed manufacturing index also very strong, consistent with the other recent regional manufacturing indexes. The notion that the job market reports are a fluke can only be proven with supporting weak economic reports. So far the consumer is spending at a modest increase and discretionary money has also increased.

    As for the duality of economic markets we have a surge in million dollar homes to record levels. This when one in three Americans have a 5,000 dollar delinquency problem.

    As bizarre as this may sound I still say we have years to go and even higher debt with a more stark disparity between classes. The evidence is in the last 3 months of cumulative data. I never argue with human behavior, nor do I understand the rationale behind it. As long as credit continues to expand, and both parties are willing to lend and borrow the debt levels and disparity between classes will continue to widen.

    You can only look at the debt situation in terms of trend. If corporations are making good profit from it, and consumers feel more comfortable with todays economy you can only conclude that we are not at a point where debt saturation has been reached. I do agree that the longer we stretch this out the worse the final outcome. I do not agree that it will ever get to a point where we live in anarchy.

    I have been presenting this same argument for years yet most here insist it’s wrong and tries to prove the market is held up by fake data and extreme manipulation. If the government changes rules to prevent a collapse in housing and bails out the lenders it is a natural outcome from the mortgage debacle. To expect governments to do otherwise is a fantasy. Figuring out when the debt structure unwinds is much harder to do. With the monthly economic data presented there is a way to see if it is unwinding. Todays economy does not indicate we are at the brink of such an unwind. The service sector is so strong that by just viewing this one component you would never know just how dire our debt imbalance is. Clearly people are finding reasons to continue on their expansive lifestyle.

    I have always been misquoted and misunderstood. You see my glowing argument for the market to continue its upward path and that’s all you see. Human psychology and our every day behavior ignores the dangerous path we are on. We have always refused to anticipate danger, even when it becomes obvious. There are however cultural differences in nations that have shown the opposite is also true. Some nations like Japan, China, Korea, and Germany have been extremely cautions of credit and living beyond means. We are a diverse bunch and where capitalism and socialism has taken hold we tend to ignore those danger signs.

    • redwilldanaher July 29, 2014, 8:45 pm

      “The “profit miracle” of the 1990s is nonsense. What kicked the stock market into high gear earlier in the decade was mainly the one-time effect of lower borrowing costs induced by a recklessly generous Fed. Profits have weakened since in absolute terms and egregiously relative to soaring share prices.

      The widespread use of stock options to compensate employees has caused corporate earnings to be grossly overstated, since the options reduce the amount of wages charged against profits. If properly accounted for, stock options would have lowered aggregate published profits by 56 percent in 1997 and 50 percent in 1998, according to figures Richebächer cites from Smithers Co., a London-based research institute.”

      Why didn’t you counter that El Garo? Was Richebächer a conspiracy theorist?

      You choose not to see the epics frauds for what they are and have been.

      I stopped reading your comments soon after I started. Just more nonsense that tries to explain it all away without actually addressing anything directly.

      • gary leibowitz July 29, 2014, 9:40 pm

        That’s like saying if unions were gone so too would pensions and the drain on government debt. Deal with the situation as it is and lets not try to dismantle every piece to fit your theory that its all a myth. no not a myth. the real number crunchers are there and everything is transparent. Even the huge increase use of credit. You forgot to mention how well corporations have paired their credit. lean and mean organization. they run a company as a business and it shows. But you not only want them to do right financially you complain when they reduce their costs? How strange. Me I complain they run it too much like a business. Governments and people are a different matter.

        As for share price that is perhaps the most microscopically analyzed number of them all. All segments and all individual reports have been exposed. if you think that the trillions of money invested in this is not being scrutinized you are dead wrong. Perhaps that’s why their track record has been so consistent with the way it all turned out. Yes in real dollar terms, without the deterioration of the value, blah blah blah. In real terms, in todays world, I can assure you that placing your money in that investment vehicle reaped perhaps the best rewards so far.

        You got to love it when someone points out after the fact that it was all a hoax. no, its called excesses. It’s called emotional exuberance. In life on all things we have this trait.

    • Redwilldanaher July 29, 2014, 10:48 pm

      Filed that, as with all others, in the file marked ABSURD. There have been nothing but hoaxes but you have to want to see them for what they are…

    • Redwilldanaher July 29, 2014, 11:32 pm

      The One Rate That Is Not Only Not Going Down, But Is At A 13-Year High
      Submitted by Tyler Durden on 07/29/2014 – 14:48

      With 77 million Americans having debt past due and the average household owing more than $15,000 in credit card debt, it appears the Fed’s supposed plan to ‘help Main Street’ is not working so well. As the following chart from NewEdge’s Brad Wishak shows, despite Fed Funds at practically zero, US credit card variable interest rates continue to rise – now at their highest since July 2001.

      Fed has done a bang up job helping the sheople eh Garo? As any reasonable person would note, they’ve further enriched the thug life that made out like bandits via the excess of the prior bubble. Keep cheering them on…

      • redwilldanaher July 30, 2014, 8:13 pm

        http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-30/deja-vu-gdp-stunner-over-half-us-growth-past-year-inventory-accumulation

        More healthy living. Smoke and mirrors seem to be unlimited natural resources in the USSA.

      • redwilldanaher July 30, 2014, 8:15 pm
      • gary leibowitz July 31, 2014, 5:42 pm

        Red, give this talk when GDP isn’t 4 percent and the scare by the FED isn’t when they raise rates. I know everyone knows that’s impossible but so was the QE program impossible to do away with.

        Credit expansion and imbalances in classes can go on longer than most believe possible. Just look at the last depression and tell me that extremes was way too long. We are definitely showing signs of increased spending and borrowing. I never look at a conclusion without getting some reference point to when it ends. It doesn’t look like we have squeezed every ounce of credit growth. I have been saying this for years yet instead of believe this is true most took the extended market stability as faked.

    • allen42 July 31, 2014, 3:58 am

      Lambo to the rescue as usual.Man you are one lost individual.

  • Redwilldanaher July 29, 2014, 1:11 am

    Had the pleasure of speaking with him a few times during the joint venture years my partner and I had with Ivolatity.com. Brilliant guy that you could listen to for hours. The fact that his type of sobriety is not missed but actually scorned says it all. It will only be after the great destruction that he and others like him will be rediscovered. The golden calf it seems is in perpetual construction somewhere on this rock and on the street of schemes always.

  • John Jay July 29, 2014, 12:35 am

    I think we should look to Japan as the “Canary in the coal mine”. They invented “ZIRP” decades ago, they are running big trade deficits now, have an aging population, not to mention the Fukushima drama.

    And the China of today is nothing like the China the Japanese conquered back in the 30s and 40s in the last century.
    But Japan doesn’t understand that fact.
    They are really playing with fire by provoking that Dragon, a Dragon that is eager for a re-match with Japan.

    I believe Japan will collapse before we do, so we should be safe for now.
    When they do implode, it will probably mean more wealthy foreigners making cash offers on prime RE on America’s West Coast, more flight to safety to shore up our economy.

    I remember a very clever insight penned by William Manchester in one of his histories.
    He said; “No one in Germany questioned Hitler’s sanity until he started to lose the war after Stalingrad.”
    The same thing applies to our debt financed Ponzi economy.
    So many Americans are on some manner of Government dole, that no one questions the sanity of it all.
    Until we hit an economic Stalingrad somewhere in the future.
    But not just yet!

    • Jason S July 29, 2014, 1:09 am

      JJ,
      I concur with what you said. Japan should continue their deflationary debt spiral and it will begin in earnest before ours. However, it may lead to systemic collapse since investors the world over know we are pulling the same levers as they did and they may see our risk for what it is. This could lead to everyone running for an exit at the same time.

      I am pretty sure that whatever starts the dominos falling is something unforeseen.

  • mario Cavolo July 28, 2014, 9:08 am

    A history of credit expansion, societal and technological invention, inflation, a bust…wash, rinse, repeat for centuries, no?

    I’ll side with the folks who are not overly worried, yet would be a fool to not have concern about egregious excesses right in front of our noses. The thing is, when there is a bust, certain groups-sectors-regions-countries get smacked and endure alot of hardship, while others do not and opportunity comes from the bust to continue the cycle once again…
    terms of good ol’ fashioned commonsense, unlucky timing wise to be born in 1990 in America in Detroit. Very lucky to have been born in Shanghai that year. Demographic fundamentals have great shadow influence on what’s possible. Malcolm Gladwell covers this territory very nicely…

    Cheers, Mari

    • Andy Gutterman July 28, 2014, 12:58 pm

      I have a collection of travel brochures from the early 30’s from across the country. In the grip of the worst depression ever and lots of people were able to travel the country on vacation. That and the fact that my family all but ignored what was happening tell me that should we slip into yet another colossal bust it will still be moderately OK for a sizable percentage of the population.

      The doomsayers see only the worst effects of whatever is going to happen, and they pile it all on. They don’t see anything at all positive.

      Deflation means lower prices for those that prepared for it, either by accident or by intention. Not everyone is in debt to their eyeballs. And for many that are default may be an option especially if there is no collateral for the debt. Incomes soar if you stop paying the credit cards.

      Andy

      • Rick Ackerman July 28, 2014, 5:51 pm

        In my last commentary, I gave just a few of the reasons why we might expect the Second Great Depression to be worse than the first. In light of your comments, Andy, they bear repeating:

        1) Americans were not soft and doughy back then, nor were they obsessed with an Orwellian newsfeed that titillated and maliciously divided them over such made-up issues as “homophobia,” “racism” and “sexism”; 2) 30% of the working population was connected to agriculture, literally living off the land; 3) the dollar was as good as gold; 4) the food-and-products distribution system was far more robust than today’s fragile, just-in-time infrastructure; 5) a disastrously inept, narcissistic ideologue did not occupy the most powerful political office in the world; 6) jihadi psychopaths did not yet possess the means to poison the world with biological and/or radiological weapons; 7) mortgages and credit cards did not exist, and households had little or no debt; 8a) good medical care was affordable; 9) Americans were not hooked on government handouts; 10) jobs were far less specialized, and people knew how to fix things when they broke; and, 11) schools taught useful skills.

      • dk July 28, 2014, 10:05 pm

        Absolutely, Rick.
        Certain people need to re-read several of these points, along with a few others.
        Andy, it looks like it wouldn’t hurt you to.

      • mario July 29, 2014, 4:20 am

        an awesome list of relevant issues Rick…

      • Rick Ackerman July 29, 2014, 7:06 pm

        Trust me on this, Mario (paraphrasing C.V. Myers): Ultimately every penny of every debt must be paid — if not by the borrower, then by the lender.

        The macro implications of this should be clear to all.

      • John Jay July 29, 2014, 5:54 am

        Rick,
        Items 1 through 11 = Dark Ages!

        Anecdotal evidence of this trend?

        I am finding more and more spelling and grammar errors in even high level publications like the NYT, as well as mis-captioned photos and historically inaccurate “facts”.
        When I e- mail the publication about the error, I never hear back from them, not even a smarmy response.
        I remember reading about archaeologists citing mis-spellings in engravings in Imperial Rome as they began their descent from the heights of their Empire.

        Now, cursive writing is out in the American curriculum , as well as mathematics beyond the street thug level.
        The descent accelerates now!
        Average American IQ is approaching 90, I am sure of it!

        And I read somewhere that a considerable percentage of the youth of Great Britain believe Merlin the Magician was a real person, and Winston Churchill is a mythical person!

        And, on the Inflation front, I am very much amused as the width of a roll of TP is heading to parity with a roll of adding machine paper!
        Big gaps at either end of the spindle now!

        However, to be fair and balanced about it, the price I pay for premium gasoline has fallen to $3.89 a gallon out here in Southern California recently.
        Down from a $4.39 high.
        In the middle of peak driving season, with MENA refineries literally going up in flames?
        Is demand for “the juice” falling that much?
        Always something new to ponder!

      • Rick Ackerman July 29, 2014, 7:17 pm

        I’ve been thinking about this IQ stuff myself, JJ. Whenever I am cursing some software or device that seems to have been designed by an idiot — that’s most software and devices these days — I assume that the designer was a 20-something bozo with a sub-100 IQ (or if not a low IQ, a gaping hole in some crucial area of his brain). Intelligence-wise, it’s all been downhill since the Boomer high school graduating class of 1964 (my older sister’s class, chock full of genius never quite equaled by my Class of ’67).

        The slide in intelligence was paralleled by the decline and fall of Saturday Night Live. I knew we were in big trouble when Chris Farley and Adam Sandler became stars in the comedy world.

      • Johnove Jay July 30, 2014, 5:57 am

        Rick,
        If you grew up in New Jersey, I’ll bet you used to listen to the Jean Shepherd show every night on the great WOR radio station. What a great wit he was!

        “I would love to listen to Sheps’ view of what has happened to America since he passed on!

        &&&&&&&

        There was real creativity in radio back then, and he was one of the best. WMMR and WOWO were some other favorites of mine, but I wonder if their startlingly inventive kind of programming would even attract an audience nowadays. RA

      • John Jay July 31, 2014, 6:13 am

        Rick,
        The best evidence for the decline in the intellect of the American radio audience over time has got to be the astonishing popularity of Art Bell’s radio program.
        Instead of insulting nut job callers and hanging up on them (a la Joe Pyne on his TV show) Art let them go on and on talking about time traveling, their immortality, alien abductions, you name it.
        And his numbers were huge!
        Noory has picked up the ball since Art packed it in, and the format is still going strong.
        Just another sign post on our way to the Twilight Zone!

      • gary leibowitz July 31, 2014, 6:42 pm

        There were kooks that got play time through history. The false belief in alien invasions during the airing of the “War of the Worlds” is not proof that people were smarter then.

      • REPEATED VLAD August 3, 2014, 1:07 am

        jj, have no idea whom art bell, nor joe pyne, or noory are. however, what you describe,
        is something I told our gracious and wise host about over a year ago, a film called ‘talk radio.’
        1988. written and starred by bogosian, directed by oliver stone, based on true story.
        and, if any of you care about the ‘ball and wax’ behind the truisms that you state above,
        you should watch this film, which I own. excellent. about truth, when– taken too far.
        not because it isn’t true. but because truth, if spoken too far, is deadly dangerous, to you.

        bottomline—twentyfirst century humans are not ‘on their way to the twilight zone.’
        they are already there. or can’t you see that. so stop endgame mockery, it’s worthless.
        I’d much rather read your earnest hardcore endgame insights. for you, family, friends.
        Almost as good as reading our host’s thought-provoking paradigms.

      • VICIOUS VLAD August 1, 2014, 2:03 am

        the dark ages are no joke.
        and you will find that out.

      • gary leibowitz July 29, 2014, 8:58 pm

        Rick, what you are describing is a time when the masses lived a life that was barley above poverty levels with little elitist comforts. that 30 percent you talk about were being paid less than half the worker in a manufacturing job. Cost were low and so was demand. We had extreme racism then which excluded a good portion of our populace, and took advantage of this in the work force. The divide between the haves and have not’s were clearly defined. There was very little means for someone from a lower class to exceed without credit. It kept the classes intact. The downfall of credit expansion was also out greatest period of breaking class barriers. it is never a one sided issue where everything that happened since then is bad. Life was simpler and so was the helping hand when disaster struck. In those days you died young when disease and lack of hospitalization/medication was limited.

        Sorry but to ignore our standard of living today compared to then is disingenuous. I absolutely acknowledge it has been given to us on false promises once credit expansion replaced cash. It was not by any means a time where anyone now would trade places. Glamorizing the small town ideology is one thing, living it is another.

        The fast pace nuclear age does bring a higher sense of fear and foreboding. That is the price we pay for intellectual and social advancement exceeding our emotional maturity.

        &&&&&&&

        Gary, you’ve posted 989 words today. For your health and safety, I’m going to suggest that you give it a rest. I’ll do my part by telling you now that I’m going to delete any further posts by you on this topic. RA

      • gary leibowitz July 31, 2014, 10:11 pm

        You have been ignoring my words for many years yet my scenario has been playing out. Too bad you can’t delete the last 5 years, nor the next two, if my long term scenario plays out. Imagine if you gave it a rest these last 5 years. Your insistence that a crash should happen without warning has been disproven. Today, with high P/E ratio, and a tripling from the lows the possibility mounts, but not before. QE seems to be ending, and internal economic indicators are improving, much to your disbelief. Credit expansion seems not to have halted. We are a species that seems to go beyond rational limits. I’ll continue to use the “fake” economic reports to give me any indication of a major reversal.

      • Oregon July 31, 2014, 10:55 pm

        You have made this same post nearly everyday for years. Don’t you think you should get out and find a confidence building exercise that will allow you to quietly enjoy yourself?

      • gary leibowitz August 1, 2014, 1:31 am

        I am enjoying myself. Recently retired (forced), and been playing the market. My repetitive posts correlate with the markets extraordinary run up. Not many have listened. This group has found ingenious ways to excuse their mistake by claiming it isn’t their fault. A fix was in and no one knows when that fix becomes recognized. It is possible I got the reasoning all wrong even with the correct result. So which rational do you choose?

      • VICIOUS VLAD August 1, 2014, 2:15 am

        hey, host. why don’t you let, now recently retired gary, make 1 week’s blog post?
        since it should be fun. so we few can all tear into him like jackals, or at least, hyenas.
        haha.
        and it would be most especially great, that it occurred, as the markets crashed. apropos.

        &&&&&


        On my suggestion, Vlad, Gary is giving it a rest. Perhaps you might emulate him?
        RA

      • Redwilldanaher August 1, 2014, 2:45 am

        Untrue for the umpteenth time. Rick may be the biggest econobear ’round these parts and yet he has maintained bullish biased upside targets for as long as I can remember. Many others are trading the trend while at the same time appreciating the epic fraud that supports it all, which is much more than you can claim. Rixhebacher was right then and Rick’s words above are accurate now.

        Far out of control central banks, bankers and central governments rig an equities melt up/ psyop and you assume the role of a dutiful seal. Meanwhile the people that your heart purportedly bleeds for, are far worse for the wear as are most other things.

        Maybe it’s time to reevaluate your definition of success and good times and possibly to resolve to not let the hyper manipulated blue line serve as your god.

      • mario Cavolo August 1, 2014, 2:59 am

        Amen to that.

      • gary leibowitz August 1, 2014, 5:19 pm

        Personal income up .4 percent for last 2 months, along with .4 percent spending. Saving rate still above 5 percent. Sure looks like the consumer isn’t dead yet. All the jobs are now from the private sector which means no government waste on that end. How many fake months did we have 200K plus jobs? Must be a lot of part-time illegals taking those dishwasher jobs. Imagine if we actually crashed further than the SPX 666 low. Why we would have a P/E as low as the interest rates on the 1 year note. I wonder who is being duped?

      • Squire Danaher August 1, 2014, 8:30 pm
      • dk August 2, 2014, 4:56 pm

        “Nothing to see here…”

        P.S. Great name change, Red.

      • mario August 3, 2014, 3:57 pm

        Don’t accept this at first glance, it leaves out the rest of the story…. people are exiting the system and earning unreported income. My book covers the phenomenon in China and asking the way I discovered it’s the same in Spain, Italy, Greece…. they say the places are busy but the supposed unemployed are out on the streets in a merchant economy making loads of cash, all outside of official GDP and other stats….. really, it’s true, don’t ignore this aspect. In my position I get alot of exposure
        to what’s really going on direct from the horses mouth.

        Cheers, Mario

      • dk August 2, 2014, 4:55 pm

        “My repetitive posts correlate with the markets extraordinary run up. Not many have listened. This group has found ingenious ways to excuse their mistake by claiming it isn’t their fault.”

        Why have not many listened, El Garo?

        This group?? HA! You do realize how many life long professionals, expert academics, heads of state, and former political experts are on the same exact page is “this group?”

        The beauty is, no matter the hypothesis, “this group,” largely, has been able to “improvise, adapt, and overcome.” After all, that is the very nature of “this group.”

      • REPEATED VLAD August 3, 2014, 1:29 am

        dk, well writ, re our small ‘group.’

        but, bottomline, I think, the essence of ‘this group’, if at all, a temporary ‘group’
        is only one thing—
        individuality.
        so this I give to gary. he’s got guts, to hang in there, though different, from all within.
        so gary belongs. in this ‘group,’ of individuals.

        Although gary is an innocuous commie, the host thinks with such brilliant originality that he’s dangerous. but that’s ok. since I am dangerous myself. as is red and jj.

        so’s survivalist farmer, even Mario; but where the hell is, falling man.
        so dk, welcomed in.

      • REPEATED VLAD August 3, 2014, 2:04 am

        and by individuality,
        I meant hard worked individuality.
        whether right or wrong, we each don’t realy care.
        Our host? We should all be grateful that he has generously provided a soundng board for — what? — maybe a dozen people. This is despite the fact that the forum discussion between us probably doesn’t bring him a dime’s worth of new business. I mean, his main business is putting out trades that will make his subscribers money, right? This is stuff we here don’t even see, or know much about.

        So let’s raise a glass to our host — a stand-up guy, as far as I can tell.

      • Redwilldanaher August 4, 2014, 12:15 am

        Agreed.

      • VLADY BOY August 4, 2014, 1:18 am

        red, take this for granted. if you read me ‘praising’ ackerman, in any way,
        it’s because, he has –fully– re-written, all I wrote. this is his new, sense of humor.

        &&&&&

        You are correct, Vlad. As long as you’re going to waste my precious time editing and censoring you, I might as well have fun with it.
        RA

      • dk August 2, 2014, 4:49 pm

        Gary,
        I’m not getting into a futile debate with you about anything I just have a couple of questions….

        Are you not familiar with GAAP Accounting? Mark to model accounting? More specifically, initiatives like FASB FSP 157-3?

        Are you not familiar with the Presidents Working Group on Financial Markets and it’s purpose/mission?

        Just wondering… I’m pretty sure we all know the answer. The important thing is to understand the ramifications and scope of the above.

    • mario July 28, 2014, 4:28 pm

      One of the biggest scams in the U.S. is the false belief the system puts in our head that you “must” pay back your debt, as if you don’t have the free choice to say to them “I regret taking on that debt, and when you lent it to me, you equally accepted the risk that I might not pay it back, correct? That’s why you charged me a high rate of interest on an unsecured credit line, sorry, I can’t and I’m not paying it back, do what you will.” Spare yourself the Catholic guilt…

      ahh, “this ruins your credit” certainly your next thought, right? Most households in China, a rising modernizing country, don’t have and don’t need any credit, even the poor ones, so instead, ask your self how that’s possible? There’s very low use of credit in Germany, too. How do they manage? Its societal brainwashing in America. The odds of a company you owe debt to actually and truly taking you to court for it are close to zilch. Your family and getting stable is more important than they are, so follow Andy’s point and stop paying if you like. And start paying cash for everything or don’t buy it.

      Cheers, Mario

  • VILER VLAD July 28, 2014, 3:50 am

    you know, this interview makes me think of only 1 thing– multiples.
    for, if in 1999, the major concern was, billions of dollars of fiat debt, which didn’t implode,
    then, only 15 years later, the concern now is, trillions of dollars of fiat debt, which now—
    exponentially using garo leibowitz projectionalist logic, should the only concern now be:

    in 30 more years, quadrillions of fiat dollar debt? that is truly weird indeed.
    but no weirder, than weird current times.

    so, anything is possible.
    for if today is possible, everything is possible.

    so how high can fraud go? how stupid can suckers be?
    way it looks now, it could go on— forever.

    however, as someone once said, redwoods, while appearing to grow to the sky, forever,
    they actually have an age, even if 100-fold, where they cease to grow. and then, soon fall.

    $$$$$$$$

    like I said fore, current fiat market, is so way beyond reality, that no reality, longer prevails.

    so look for sub-real. look for unreal. nothing prototypical. look for the innocuous.

    because, after all, richebacher was right, in 99. since 2000, came after. and then, 2008.

    so, is there is 2014? 2016? 2020? I no longer care. however, this I know.

    current market, is all, 100% fraud.

    and ‘you can take that to the bank.’
    your 100% closed bank, that is. ha.

  • HARRY July 28, 2014, 2:47 am

    The good Dr Richebächer, working from a sample of some 1,000 failed episodes of money-printing, predicted the same demise as for every money-pumping nation from Argentina to Zimbabwe. If the bubble is tackled early (Volker) there’s some hardship followed by a recovery. If the bubble is tacked later or not at all, the economy will be destroyed (Mugabe/Weimar/Yellen/the rest).

    His mantra is that genuine production is the source of all wealth, from which we subtract non-productive “mis-allocation” of resources due mainly to the artificial cheapness of capital. Add to that the dodgy “income” calculated on the basis of crooked accounting, rotten statistics, and the supposed “winners” of the derivative-mountain.