Two Modest Proposals to Rid Us of Debt

Today and tomorrow, we will present two radical proposals for dealing with debt. The first, argued below by Ben Rositas, a frequent contributor to the Rick’s Picks forum, would redistribute America’s official store of gold bullion to all who are owed on behalf of all who owe.  The second, from another forum regular, Rich Cash, would wipe the slate clean via a return to Biblical Jubilee or something like it. Although we’ll concede that neither idea is even remotely feasible politically, consider the alternative: a debt deflation that locks the economy into a grinding Depression for the next twenty years.

One thing is absolutely certain: Given that Americans are collectively on the hook for hundreds of trillions of dollars worth of obligations of all kinds, those who are owed are never going to be paid off in hard dollars anyway. And we are not talking about just banks and mortgage lenders who will ultimately have to settle for pennies on the dollar,

Jonathan Swift: Long may he inspire healthy debate

but about the scores of millions of Americans who will find the till empty when it comes time to draw on Social Security, Medicare and all the other Ponzi schemes run by Big Government.

Let’s Screw Ourselves

Under the circumstances, why not simply screw ourselves now, deliberately and with constructive purpose, so that we can enjoy the benefits of being economically unencumbered as Americans have not been since before the creation of the IRS and the Federal Reserve nearly a century ago?  This might even return the banks to their original role of taking deposits and lending them to worthy businesses.  Indeed, if the five biggest banks in America were to go out of business tomorrow, we would probably get along beautifully without them, much as we would probably thrive personally and economically without the egregiously misguided efforts of Senators, Congressmen and all who pay them tribute on Capitol Hill.

And now, here’s Ben Rositas — a little loosey-goosey, for sure, but with an imaginative spirit that soars miles above the beaten trail:

“The Fed stole it all, folks. In utilizing a process very similar to usury, they’ve vacuumed up quite a bit of gold, and possibly silver as well (or at least manipulated it, as some commentators contend). It is like usury in that they keep the debt level rising. Usury itself entails increasing the principal on a loan, usually under the guise of charging interest (which is merely time preference, not an increase in the loan amount).

Gold Is Forfeit

“And since good people want to pay their debts, and not default on them, and because they also must eat and try to have some measure of enjoyment in the precious shortness of life, the demand or price of gold and silver has remained depressed. Therefore, the Fed and other central banks have not only utilized usurious practices to distract most people, they were able to snap up much wealth on-the-cheap.

“It was also totally illegal. Our government never had the authority to demonetize gold and silver in the first place. Nor do they now. No law on the book says they can, and even if such a law existed, it would be at odds with the Constitution. Under the circumstances, the gold is in fact forfeit.   The Federal Reserve has no more claim to it than a bank robber has a right to keep his loot.

‘Grow a Pair!’

“So now what? Well, we must press our government to ‘grow a pair’ and confront the Fed about this. Once done, the gold would be turned over to the Treasury, whereupon it would have to be weighed against all debt created by the Fed (which includes all circulating money). It would then be distributed:

1)  to the banks, in the name of all who owe them anything. All personal debt would be wiped clean. Banks would have capital to lend again.

2) to those owed anything by the government, especially Social Security.  Public debt would be wiped clean.

3) to foreign creditors. There are other ways we could repay them, but there should be enough gold to do the job.

Bullion Enough

“But aren’t there trillions and trillions of dollars of debt, you ask? Yes, but that doesn’t matter.  There would be enough gold because all debt would be weighed against gold (and silver) itself — even if that means a dollar’s worth of Federal Reserve Notes in gold would equal 0.01 mg of gold.**  In this day and age, and unlike in the past, digital bullion-banking can allow for such small amounts to be owned and transacted. (** The Math: 1,000 mg in a gram, ~31.1 grams in a troy ounce. Multiply by 100 (.01 mg). 32,150 troy ounces in a tonne, supposedly 8,000 tonnes held by the Fed and/or Treasury =~701 trillion that can be wiped out. So probably a bit more gold weight per dollar of debt.)

“As for a Depression, there won’t be one as long as all debt is extinguished. It will feel odd at first, but in reality that is how things should be. ‘Austerity,’ or even a drive for greater productivity, lacks either an end or a means. We’re at the point, I think, where we need to ask ourselves whether we should put our hope and faith in stimulus voodoo, indenturing our children, their children, and their children’s children. “If the answer is no, then debate austerity no more. Things will have to change, but ever-lasting Depression is not the answer. Life is preciously short, folks. Think about it, but not for too long!”

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  • ChrisM June 30, 2010, 6:07 am

    Here’s another idea:

    A lot of the US debt is owed to China, in the form of Treasury Bonds they bought, or even investments China made in Fanny & Freddie, etc. Here’s my plan: say the US owes China $3 trillion. The Fed could pool all of those assets, then pay off the Chinese govt. by printing THREE one trillion dollar bills!! These of course would be legal tender (at least as legal as all the other money they print). The Fed could ship these 3 bills in a very nice red envelope back to China in one of those empty container ships, and we’re done!

    The best part is that this won’t even cause inflation because where is China going to deposit those bills? They’ll never make it into the ‘real economy’. Problem solved!!!!

    • Benjamin June 30, 2010, 12:15 pm

      Oh, that’s cute! ROFL!!!

      Ben: Hey Chris, let me borrow your car…

      Chris: I don’t know who you are but yeah, sure! (tosses keys to Ben)

      (several months pass)

      Chris: Listen, I don’t wanna be a meany or anything like that, but you’ve had my car for a long time now and I kind of want it back…

      Ben: (look of hazy memory) Oh yeah… Hey, that reminds me! You’re car? Yeah, funny story! You see, uh… I had it smashed up into this little cube, right? And then I thought it’d be really cool to like, you know, send it off with one of them NASA probes to Mars? And dude… It was AWESOME! But hey, I do have the keys! Here ya go, man… Thanks! (tosses keys back to Chris)

      But that does remind me of something, and I wish to God I had remembered this. We paid China already. Really. You see, when they bought all that debt, that caused the exchange rates to slide to favor them even more, and so all the jobs went there. They had all them factories and everything built… They’ve got what they wanted, so in my estimation we don’t really owe them anything, nor do they owe us. They smashed their own car and sent it to Mars, leaving us with only keys to repay. And that was totally not my fault!

      Play with fire, you get burned. That’s all I can say for that. If China ever wants to see the light of day again (which is to say, make use of their gains), then I suggest their government and people do something very much like what I suggested for Americans. And while they’re at it, maybe they should write a Constitution similar to, if not exactly like our own, and, oh I don’t know… Live by it? Just a suggestion.

  • reich, e. June 30, 2010, 4:27 am

    What makes you think that the government still owns any gold that it could distribute?

    • Benjamin June 30, 2010, 6:54 am

      The Fed has it. How could they not?

      Besides, even if it is all gone, there is always borrowing and returning in full from a foreign lender.

      a) Coin metals at the Mint if you want to loan them to the Treasury.
      b) State the terms of the loan (timeline and repayment schedule, if any)
      c) Treasury creates certificates on what metals it receives, ounce for ounce. No more, no less.
      d) Certificates have an expiration date that coincides with the bond maturity date created in b, after which they are no longer legal tender, and the coin can be reloaned or redeemed by the bondholder. Certificates created on a repayment schedule will have a discount rate that coincides with that schedule.

      And so all would be returned, without any need for taxation or further debt. That would at least allow us to get some work done so we can earn some metals back, through trade.

  • Benjamin June 29, 2010, 8:37 pm

    “The lion analogy is interesting from another angle as well… the angle of greed.”

    Then there’s me. I’m not a lion. I’m a bull-headed Taurus. Stubborn earth sign. Anyway, and not that I intentionally seek to live by the stars, but in light of today’s article I couldn’t help but take satisfaction in what my horoscope said for today…

    “It’s one of those days when you’ve got to stand up for what’s right — or at least for what’s yours. You may find that someone you thought you could trust has switched sides, but it doesn’t affect the outcome.”

    Snort, snort! But what is mine IS what’s right, same as with everyone else! Stupid horoscope people… Snort, snort!

    They get the last part right, though. Whoever my personal traitor is, no, they won’t affect the outcome. They won’t because they can’t and I can. Think like a bull, and the predators will scatter before your charge. Lament nothing about the nature of things and instead realize and express your own, whatever that is, and victory becomes your destiny.

    And as for the predators… the chickens, really… they can get what they need as well, if only they would set aside their childish fears of a truly liberated people.

    • F. Beard June 29, 2010, 9:54 pm

      Hey Ben,
      I am a Taurus too but do not feel like locking horns today. And I could not have betrayed you since I never swore allegiance to you.

      I doubt the stars have anything to do with our fates but maybe the seasons affect us in the womb.

    • Benjamin June 29, 2010, 10:23 pm

      Nah, I wasn’t implicating anyone. Not here, anyway. The crooks, if anyone. I know they won’t get away with this, because there is no other outcome.

      Nope, not locking horns at all. Contrary, I’m bit clearer as to what I mean now, because of that post of yours.

  • Robert June 29, 2010, 7:48 pm

    The lion analogy is interesting from another angle as well… the angle of greed.

    Greed (the love of having ever more readily available and easily accessible corn) is why the wild boars always end up corralled within the fence.

    The Lion (and all other large predatory cats), along with Wolves and the other 4 legged predatory mammals, are notable in that they only destroy (kill) what they will consume. There is no greed.

    The same can not be said for many other predatory mammals- dolphins and killer whales, for instance, are known to kill for sport (or out of a complete inability to control their killer instincts). Killer whales will slay sea lions and then leave their dead corpses to float on the open sea for the scavengers.

    So greed can infect those play the victim ( the pig) and those who play the predator (the killer whale).

    Sadly, the same also can also be said for predatory humans- they seek out others who would choose to be victimized and they gladly oblige them. The Politician is the supreme example, and the Caesar is the supreme Politician.

    But greed apparently can be effectively curtailed somehow by the laws of nature (as in the case of the great cats).

    Study of the philosophy of the lion might be meritous… of course, that study would inevitably lead to the moral assessment of genocide, since lions are known to maintain their population balance by killing their young.

    Perhaps we are all not so different from our predatory mammal brethren that much at all…

  • Rich June 29, 2010, 7:20 pm

    Meanwhile, GS to 116 and GLD to 160 look good…

  • Brutlstrudl June 29, 2010, 6:03 pm

    My fear is the G20 gets together and agrees to a world wide controlled multi lateral devaluation. The creditor nations give their permission only after they have enough gold to hedge the shock to their dollar reserves. Reports are that CDL’s Kensington mine is shipping ore to Chinese refineries which probably will not affect the world price and would allow a discount price to its citizens.

    • Benjamin June 29, 2010, 6:14 pm

      “My fear is the G20 gets together and agrees to a world wide controlled multi lateral devaluation.”

      Well, here is what I was going to include in my response to F Beard, but wanted to see what s/he would say to what I posted so far. Here’s the rest…

      “btw, I think each bank should be allowed to convert it’s FRNs and debt balances of to its _own_ issue, and that money would have it’s own value on the market. Debt would be eliminated, with any and all usury repaid as devaluation or stronger valuation, depending on what the depositors want (again, valuation by contract).

      That would free up more gold in the redistribution plan, and would effectively be a seperation between banks and state. As you said, each with it’s own money.”

      Maybe that can calm your fears over G20. If banks would break away, and assert their right to value their own money, g20 can do whatever it wants and it wouldn’t matter. Literally, overnight FRNs and other currencies could become worthless. And what are they going to do? Visit every bank and tell them to stop it?

      If the thousands and thousands of individual banks also grew a set, I doubt there would be anything anyone could do about their jumping ship.

      “Reports are that CDL’s Kensington mine is shipping ore to Chinese refineries which probably not affect the world wide price and allow a discount price to it’s citizens.”

      For their citizens, or the Bank of China? Just curious, as I’ve not heard of this.

  • Richard June 29, 2010, 4:22 pm

    Whether foreign nations, domestic pension funds, corporations or individuals; repayment of debt denominated in dollars will be repaid with paper, not gold.
    After all FRN`s are only legal tender to pay debts as per description of the purpose of the notes, clearly inscribed on the notes themselves, and by extension, anything else payable in dollars.
    When the US guv ended international convertibility of foreign held dollars in 1971; all nations persisting in holding US dollars gave up that expectation and had the choice of quietly or otherwise converting their dollars to gold on international markets.
    So, it is never going to happen.
    Hopefully, America still has more gold than anyone in the world, thus providing an escape valve should a gold cover clause or currency basket including gold be forced upon America. Only an imposed change by foreign powers will alter the current status quo. So when no-one but America buys its bonds and its currency undergoes radical depreciation, then and only then will anything meaningful happen in the way of austerity, proper banking practice, balanced budgets, etc.
    The lion never willingly gives up its power. One day, due to weakness, it simply cannot take down its prey or defend his females from the assertion of power by a younger, stronger lion.

    • Steve June 29, 2010, 5:11 pm

      Well stated – The Lion never gives up its power. It is nearly always of necessity ‘taken’.

      And then there are wild hogs, who can be fed on corn until they are no longer free – slaves in a wire enclosure.

      It is said there are two kinds of babies from Man, one who at birth will lay still and allow a napkin to be placed over its face, the other will fight the napkin and throw it off. This Nation was formed by the fighters, the Lions.

      Late immigrants, (code for those who run from their own nation’s sovereignty – looking for the free honey and milk) are those who lay still and will not fight the napkin – these are the Hogs who vote to say Lions are worthless, and run in the mobs of democracy showing a thousand tusks, threatening a thousand slashes from the ghetto, demanding free corn, and more fences to keep them safe (federal codes to allow lawlessness). After all, a license is permission from government to engage in illegal activity.

      Bankers feed corn, bankers buy legislator’s pork, bankers kill Lions, bankers like pork, bankers will feed a thousand tusks in anarchy to kill the last Lion.

      There are no Lions in congress – only 535 PORKs.

      Where I a Lion I have been pushed from the good Land to the desert by democratic sharp tusks and ghetto loving animals.

    • Benjamin June 29, 2010, 5:59 pm

      Richard,

      No, FRNs are not legal tender to pay debts insofar as government goes. Show me where in the Constitution it says government can jump off its boat and become a mutli-trillion ton Fat Albert and ride around in any canoe of private money that it wants (which is what FRNs are) to devalue it with their insane level of debt?

      But hey, hey, hey, that’s their way! And because they did, they imposed on us all their “compensatory entitlement programs”. They owe us in gold because that’s what their debts (even though they should never have them) should be measured in: gold. And because their fat rear ends jumped off their own boat and into ours, they drove up the level debt such that usury was employed to allow the banks to keep up. So they owe us there, too.

      As for the failed Bretton Woods system… Sorry, but I don’t see that that has anything at all to do with anything. The government demonetized silver long, long ago and demonetized gold in stages over the last century. They had no right. But because they did, the central banks were able to snap up much of it on the cheap. And speaking of which…

      The mid 20th century onward saw a unprecedented expansion in both gold and silver supply. What took 3,000 years or more to build was doubled or more in less than fifty years. And yet… So few gold bugs in the world.

      Let’s not kid or doubt ourselves. With people being increasingly saddled with debt and taxes, the banks snatched it up at depressed prices because competition was very low to nonexistent. Or did you think they bought only Treasurys out of the goodness of their chrysophobic, Keynesian hearts? Right. They hedged vs their own inevitable failure, buying up what they never had the right to buy and what government never had the right to demonetize. They wouldn’t have endless FRNs without government spending to push the whole process, so everything that has happened was, again, illegal and forfeit.

      They owe us the gold and they most certainly do have it.

  • Steve June 29, 2010, 3:45 pm

    Under the democracy tenant of current political choice Article VI, sec.3, cls. 2 allows the congress absolute ‘exclusive jurisdiction’ within federal territory in regard to money. Additionally, federal citizenship is domiciled in the district of 10 square where Article I, sec. 8, cls. 17 is absolute. The money circulated for federal citizens, and within the district is not controlled constitutionally, except to say that congress has exclusive rights in the territory and seat of government constitutionally. If one checks with the mint for the several States one finds that a one ounce silver Coin of current mint is Legal Tender, as well is an ‘eagle’ of current mint Legal Tender. Additionally, any old several State Coin which still bears the original coinage is still Legal Tender.

    Truly we are talking about give unto Caesar, that which is Caesar’s. Federal citizenship is created legislatively and subject to the Caesar -‘god’ the congress who is all powerful in the 10 square. Beyond that the congress in rebellion abuses the commerce clause to establish authority over legislative citizenship territorially. No such legislative citizen is permitted several State Coin to conduct business/trade – that reserved to Citizens on one of the several States, and to the Master. Master/servant Law – everything including the get is ‘gain’ only to the master.

    Life is about ‘choice’, and within the current political choices the People choose to make ‘use’ of federal reserve notes because it is easy. Just like most ‘persons’ choose to take on propaganda because it means that they will not have to make hard choices to do what is deemed right by Authority (Covenant of Abraham).

    Every one of you can choose to ‘use’ silver Specie Coin money Legal Tender today – it is just that most will not. Most will not because it means they would have to do something difficult, and it means that eventually – standing alone – they will fight against wrong and lose because the ‘jury’ will convict illegitimately because the jury does not want the ‘fight’ against the outlawry of congress.

    The problem stares each of us in the mirror each morning. The masses do not want silver Specie Coin money, and therefore elect morons to represent them in the congress. Only morons make it to congress because that is what the ‘bankers’ want. Bankers only finance Republican Morons, and Democrat Morons under theory of “The Prince”. Only morons come out of the ‘bones’ and awake to the way of feudal controls.

    I need to face it. The senate and house are just reflections of the majority of persons – eat – be happy – take it easy. One can choose morality and Law, one can choose silver Specie Coin Legal Tender today as produced by the mint. The questions is Have You ?, and if not Why Not ? If you who know better will not act to make use of Specie money how can you ask a corporate enfranchisee who expects hand outs from elected officials to act ?

    Organized – the People can compel change in ‘use’ of Specie money by trying the High Treason of embasement of Coin with Brass. Right now we live in mobocracy – inferior status by our admissions. And should I appear to you saying I have a Right, the jury will say – I am afraid – I cannot make a stand – If I must, you must. And thus the lie continues under the Caesar whom the enfranchisee chooses to worship by use of the benefits of immoral laws and ordinances.

    People do not want to know the Absolute – they just want to be happy and never be held accountable. Everyone could choose today – will they ?

    Circles of history seem to indicate that all pipers must be paid.

    • Benjamin June 29, 2010, 4:53 pm

      Steve,

      I don’t know that I understand everything you’re saying, but I do think people would take to gold and silver, and their other Constitutional responsibilties as well, if only they knew how and understood what that means. Pretty much, it all comes down to limiting what government can have to spend. It is in fact the path of least resistence. On the other hand, debt slavery is the flagellant’s upward path of ever-increasing resistence and despair. It is of far less burden to do the right thing. That is what people need to be shown.

      As for silver dollars, I of course agree. However, silver is a bit problematic these days. How much silver is there, really, and where is it? The numbers are a bit too vague at this stage to press the issue of silver dollars. What will have to happen is that gold will have to be seized and redistributed. That would lift the shroud on silver so that the market can establish it’s exchange rate. Then silver dollars will come back…

      Recall what I wrote about why a person would lend. It would transfer the carrying costs. Or virtually eliminate them, if lending to government. Since silver has a lower value to weight ratio, silver would be the most commonly loaned metal to the Treasury. Silver dollars not by laws of man, but laws of nature.

      “Circles of history seem to indicate that all pipers must be paid.”

      And indeed it will, once the majority learns the truth of the matter. They’re not in trouble. Government and the Fed are. The debt burden many are under today, including unemployment and underemployment, is all an illusion imposed on them. Someone hates them with a passion that I can only describe as insanely demonic. This we were all born into, without a clue that anything was ever wrong. But this illusion cannot be maintained. The failures of “austerity” will see just about everyone going back to the ol’ blackboard.

  • Brian K June 29, 2010, 2:53 pm

    I am opposed to any solution that neglects widespread use of the guillotine.

    • Benjamin June 29, 2010, 3:31 pm

      My baser instincts agree, but if government were to seize the vast wealth that the Fed illegally holds, and redistribute it, I would be more than happy to let all the corrupt live out their lives, and seek whatever redemption they can find among the populace.

      If that’s the guillotine, so be it.

  • F. Beard June 29, 2010, 1:41 pm

    Here’s a third option that requires no gold and compensates savers as well as bails out debtors.

    1. Set reserve requirements to 100% to shut down the counterfeiting cartel.
    2. Create a sufficient amount of new legal tender fiat and distribute it to every adult. Let’s be generous to preclude the possibility of deflation with 100% reserve requirements. The Bible mandates a minimum two-fold repayment for theft.

    This would:
    a. enable underwater home owners to pay down their mortgages to market price levels.
    b. compensate savers for years of artificially suppressed interest rates.
    c. Fix the banks in nominal terms.
    d. Fix state tax revenues.

    Inflation risk? Maybe, but if banks were put out of the counterfeiting business via a 100% reserve requirement then the only source of new money into the system would be under government control, the Fed and US Treasury.

    Long term solution? Allow liberty in money creation, usage, and acceptance. Government money should be legal tender for government debt only (“Render to Caesar …”) while private money would be allowed to serve the private sector.

    • Benjamin June 29, 2010, 3:26 pm

      Prepare yourself for a shocker, F Beard. I’m about to agree with you!

      “Let’s be generous to preclude the possibility of deflation with 100% reserve requirements.”

      I don’t think a 100% reserve requirement is ever going to do it. Deflation would not last long, as depleted reserves would just be refilled with more money.

      But here’s where I think you’re right, F Beard. I think you’re confusing value and reserve. A mere reserve requirement is easily enough overcome by over-issuing. But if there was a 100% _value requirement_, banks could be held accountable for over-issuing. So the requirement of value would be a contract with their depositors. They could issue more, but no more than the agreed upon amount. By the same token, they could retract it, provided the depositors agree.

      Government should not allow counterfeiting that would break contracts, so in that regard the private sector is limited in what it considers money. Money is that which has a legal right by the depositors to exist.

      Fair enough?

      That said, government is by law limited to gold and silver money, and I believe they are to borrow it from a population willing to lend it to them. So it could not create money as described above. Nor would government debt become an issue. There would only be mild price inflation and an obligation to return borrowed gold/silver when the bond matures (which is to say, when the issued certificate expires to the discount rate).

      And in order for this to work, gold and silver will have to be given to citizens who are owed by their government as well as their bank(s) (payback on usury). If the wealth is left in the hands of the relatively few, government and banks can only continue their reign of debt slavery. Not even a value requirement would stop them, as the present day proves.

  • Benjamin June 29, 2010, 6:02 am

    Rositas, but other than that, that’s what I wrote! 🙂

    There are also two things I need to point out.

    The idea of redistributing according to whom owes derives from a GATA (Gold Anti-Trust Action) commentator by the name of Bix Weir…

    http://www.roadtoroota.com/public/190.cfm

    “4) The US will issue a new gold backed currency (domestically) allocating it according to future social security payments due.”

    On the distribution of gold to banks, that’s something of an older idea, which I included in order to keep things short. I would like to correct that now that I “have the floor” for today…

    There is NO reason to compoud debt through usury. Some would argue that there is a “cost to borrow money”, thus we have “interest”. And while it can be argued (and won) that there is a cost to borrow, usury is not how it should be done.

    What I’ve come to learn is that one reason a person would lend in the first place is to transfer carrying costs. This would make more sense if we were back to gold and silver money. Savings would be eaten over time by the storage fees. In order to overcome that, one simply lends their savings to another, and it becomes the borrowers charge to pay. Your savings would be safe from that attrition for the duration of the loan. So really, it’s the other way around. There is no cost to borrow money through compounding debt. There is savings to be retained from lending!

    That said, usury needs to be taken into consideration IF something like this were to ever happen. It would need to be discounted before banks were given any gold. That would probably leave the lion’s share in the hands of those owed by their rich Uncle Sammy. In turn, they could decide if banks were worthy of having capital to lend.

    Which is of the uttmost importance if we’re ever going to truly get a handle on things…

    http://www.rickackerman.com/2010/06/world-will-feel-drag-of-europes-austerity/#comment-7431

    As I also pointed out, taxation is nonsense. Lending to government is how things should be done. And for that, it’s important that the majority of monetary metals be in the hands of the many, rather than concentrated in the hands of the relatively few.

    And it is possible to lend to government without incurring any debt. No taxes would be needed to pay back lenders, because all the Treasury would have to do is issue discounting certificates on what was loaned, that coincided with the maturity date on the bond which created it. The result would be mild price inflation, as certificates that circulated in place of coin would expire at some date. By the same token, money supply would neither inflate nor deflate because once a certificate expired, either the coin is reloaned to create a new one or the coin comes out and back into circulation or savings. Nor would government have to collect taxes to pay back lenders. Government would return 100% of what was borrowed, without having to stick their hands into anyone’s pockets!

    Which is the point of both usury and taxation. They both serve to keep control of the real money supply out of our hands. The only way to win this war is to discount usury and do away with taxation.

    It most certainly would not be a case of giving borrowers a free ride in doing away with both, because a plan like this is aimed squarely at those whom for too long have been getting the free ride: the bankers and politicians.

  • TahoeBilly June 29, 2010, 4:40 am

    Had that same thought many times…you could easily have bullion in 100th gram encased in a plastic “coin” which is RFID scannable, so no excuse that gold is “barbaric” or not practical etc.

    Great post!

    • Benjamin June 29, 2010, 12:00 pm

      I’ve read of that was well, TahoeBilly. In fact, I may have bumped into the guy that thought of that, in a silver forum some years ago. But I have to say that it’s more a science fiction idea, as hammering to sheet is a process which causes the costs to go well over premium. Is there is a reason why mints should be made richer? If so, then the idea is more than workable.

      But with digital the costs go way down, as you’re just fabricating the cost of a large bar. Digital transfer of ownership is also of course much easier and cheaper, with far less attrition from handling, as well as chance of counterfeiting.

      I would like to think coin could be circulated again, but I think those days are long gone. With production costs being as cheap as they are in industrialized societies, “coin” will only get smaller than even miligrams. That isn’t to say there won’t be coins. They just won’t commonly circulate, as they represent more money than most transactions require.

      In fact, I suspect that coining savings would mean that, savings being high, things were cheap enough to allow for (say) milligram or less transactions. Coin, ie, is meant for saving, not circulating. Bullion bars would be for spending, broken up into either paper certificates or digital units.