Savers Will Rise Again Someday

[Editor’s note: Thursday’s commentary drew such a strong reponse that I’ve extended its run by a day.  RA]

We suspected years ago that the day would come when the Fed would have no more room to move. Administered interest rates were bound for zero, and once they got there easing would cease to be an option. Except that we were wrong.  Now it turns out the Fed can, and will, ratchet up the desperation meter, already well into the red zone, to new and untold heights, stepping up purchases of long-term Treasury debt with proceeds from the sale of mortgage-backed securities from the central bank’s fatally swollen dumping-ground-of-a-portfolio. Bernanke’s cheering section always said he would do whatever it takes, but perhaps it’s time for them to acknowledge that, in actuality, he is doing not what it takes, but only what he can do, short of triggering a hyperinflation. Surely the Fed chairman’s minions must be disappointed that his latest, unprecedented attempt at stimulus has a cash value estimated at only $300 billion – a mere pittance in a global Ponzi game valued nominally at perhaps three thousand times that. Paul Krugman, the New York Times’ hairy-knuckled Keynesian, must be asking himself whether Helicopter Ben is ever going to get serious. Sorry he has let you down yet again, Mr. Krugman.

Wall Street's current role model makes Gordon Gecko look like a Boy Scout

Although earlier predictions we’d made here may have overlooked this latest, hopeless step the Fed has taken, let us hazard another prediction by which you can judge for yourself our foresight, or lack thereof. To wit:  The Fed’s suicidal, capital-destroying bond-buying ploy may suffice to jolt the mountebanks, imbeciles, pedophiliacs, thimble-riggers, thieves and suppurating grey matter on Wall Street into pretending that “something” has happened, but the likelihood that this “something” will have a positive, long-term impact on the economy is about as close to zero as a Martian assault force landing this weekend on Coney Island.

Brave New World

What it will accomplish, however, is lowering the yields on Treasury debt and other “safe” paper so that savers will be cheated out of a fair return on their capital even more brazenly than before.  You ask, who needs savers when The Gubmint can gin up however much money it needs to pay for things (almost none of which contribute to sustainable economic growth)? That question does indeed capture the cynical essence of the Fed’s monetary calculations at the moment, and those calculations are at least technically defensible. But when the inevitable day comes that the central bank’s reckless policies have reduced the financial landscape to smoking rubble, in the process destroying whatever horribly misplaced trust may have attached to fiat dollars, it is predictable that savers will be courted by the banks as though they were royalty.

Savers of what, you might ask?  Not of dollars, since they will be worthless, but of whatever medium has survived as a store of wealth when the ashes have settled:  Gold, almost surely — but also any other medium of exchange with which a prudent lender could advance a sum against his own immediate wants. Is any of us so wise as to be guaranteed a constructive role in that brave new world?

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  • Steve August 13, 2010, 5:04 pm

    SDavid –
    Taking all people as one social being, has anyone really beat ‘themselves’, as the current governmental form is a reflection of the greater social state. There will always be 20 at the top, 60 in the middle, 20 at the bottom. Using a grand scale covering the 500 years on this continent, as a whole are we better off than we were in 1920, 1930, 1950, 1970, 1980, 1999, 2000, 2010.

    In 1920 we were allodialists, our wives worked in the home, our children were primarily educated by us, we worked on our land, or if we worked in town, we still went home to a house we owned. We knew how to take the time to go on picnics and to go to a Saturday social, or talk in the parlor. All debt was paid down in 7 years.

    Today we are indentured to a 400,000.00 debt forced upon us by a monarchy in succession, that debt after every asset is sold. The people give the government their children when they are 1 day, childcare, 3 years ‘headstart’, and at 5 years for formal propaganda. Husband and wife work 60 hours a week, to take a fancy vacation someplace they do not need to be. We are now serfs on the soil that our Fathers fought to make Free.

    Today, there are 20 at the top of the slave trade “Task Masters”, the more one can control in Trade Pit, the better the task master, as futures control the productivity of the many to benefit a few. Guess that is better than being in the bottom 20 in the slave trade. We have Masters where before we had none – guess that is good for some.

    If one believes he has beaten the Ruling Class at something, and if he believes he has beaten the government controlled by the ruling class, I guess that is just a matter of perspective. Liberty, versus being a task master ? Debtor in possession versus Free Hold.

    What you speak of is just the social game of history. One person thinking he is better off than the ‘Jones’ next door. Loosing ground on Freedom is OK for the majority – just make it easy. The propaganda has worked. People think that tending the property of another is Grand as long as that property is bigger than Jones’s. People think allowing the government to train their children is Grand.

    Somehow everyone I know makes money in Las Vegas.

    I think that sums up everything here.

  • JohnJay August 13, 2010, 4:30 pm

    From the comments I’ve read on this website it is obvious we all agree this country is in serious trouble.
    We just differ on how it will play out in the end.
    I doubt any of us see a return to our glory days from WWII to about 1970.
    My worst case senario is to be woken from sleep some fine morning by the rattle of small arms fire as assorted military units fight it out to loot the safe deposit boxes at all the banks.
    As I carefully walk out to have a look I see military vehicles racing up and down the streets while now worthless $100 Federal Reserve Notes blow like leaves down the streets!
    You never know!

  • F. Beard August 12, 2010, 9:38 pm

    Private contracts can trade in any form two or more agree to – gold silver horse manure. Even so, when the I.R.S. sticks their nose into the business the I.R.S. will establish the frn tally and tax based upon serfdom. Red Steve

    You’ve nailed it. The IRS is a major impediment to alternative money supplies. In addition to Income Tax, there is capital games tax on PMs and common stock to prevent their use as money.

    • Steve August 12, 2010, 10:09 pm

      Interesting Thing – prior to 1909 there was no excise 1040, and now we have 1040. Anything happen in 1913, 1934, 1936, 1938 ? I left out the 16th amendment because it created no new power of taxation, yet; corporate enfranchisee 14th amendment creations of the internal acts of congress are taxed, when Free men were not.

      Put this to a jury, and to a one the jury say – screw the Law – if I have to pay – he has to pay. Now what’s wrong ?

  • Steve August 12, 2010, 9:25 pm

    Oh My ! We now have two steves, one red one black.

    I’m red steve.

    Just in case any of you want to know. Currently, if you use a 50 Eagle to pay for an item, or receive a 50 Eagle in Trade, the 9th circuit has said that the I.R.S. has a right to tax you on spot frn price.

    I extinguished a court filing fee with 2 Eagles, and 50 silver specie Dollars because judge Haggerty required me to Tender at ‘face’ for the filing fee. Haggerty promptly sent the clerk to the metals speculator and acquired 1600.00 frn + -. Now is that corruption ? The specie money belonged to the several States union. Haggerty took the gain in tallly to the corporation 28 U.S.C. 3002(15), or he stole the gain – could never find out.

    Private contracts can trade in any form two or more agree to – gold silver horse manure. Even so, when the I.R.S. sticks their nose into the business the I.R.S. will establish the frn tally and tax based upon serfdom.

    This is the cycle of money:

    Subsistence
    Barter
    Tally
    specie Coin
    paper based upon Coin
    fiat based upon redemption for a Thing of Value
    fiat
    subsistence

    In circulation right now is a note called a “United States Note”. This note must be able to be exchanged for a Thing, that can be exchanged for specie Money. Problem is no one will disclose how to do the exchange.

  • Larry August 12, 2010, 8:41 pm

    “……Paul Krugman, the New York Times’ hairy-knuckled Keynesian….”

    O Rick, thou hast bested thyself once again.

  • Other Paul August 12, 2010, 7:13 pm

    From Zerohedge today comes an article (http://www.zerohedge.com/article/will-onslaught-baby-boomers-further-exacerbate-us-current-account-deficit-and-entrench-dm-em) about savers and dis-savers (a GS study):
    One bulleted item from the article:
    “The global pool of ‘prime savers’ is expected to keep rising, and peak in 20 years. As a result, the ex ante tendency will be for more, rather than less, net saving globally, and the ‘savings glut’ (and lower real rates) may become a more persistent feature of the world than many think.”

    The GS study also suggests that US-issued debt will probably have to have higher yields because the US will be a net dis-saver (my paraphrasing).

  • mikeck August 12, 2010, 6:59 pm

    Steve,

    Your continued use of the term “slave” above reminded me of two great short video’s I saw recently. Enjoy!

    Mike

    The Money That Is Sold Abroad…..
    http://tinyurl.com/28raujz (5 min 22 sec video)

    The Story of Your……
    http://tinyurl.com/26apdn3 (13 min 10 sec video)

  • Steve August 12, 2010, 6:04 pm

    If all the Fed is doing is exchanging mortgage backed securities for Treasuries, what is the big deal? I’d rather have our currency backed by treasuries than MBS’s. And I’m having a hard time keeping up here – I thought your argument was for massive deflation. If so, how on earth do dollars become worthless? And if massive deflation is the order of the day, it is very conceivable that even a 0% nominal interest rate is an exceedingly high real rate of return.

    • Mr. Glee August 12, 2010, 7:35 pm

      Steve wrote “The propaganda that current account 2010 struck Eagles are not Legal Tender…

      This is the first I have heard of this propaganda. By the way, I regularly offer to pay in silver eagles. I am taken up on my offer about once a month, typically by mom-and-pop service companies.

      Benjamin, Re: Mexico, Our States may constitutionally coin gold and silver to make their own State money.

      Steve wrote: “If all the Fed is doing is exchanging mortgage backed securities for Treasuries, what is the big deal? I’d rather have our currency backed by treasuries than MBS’s.

      It’s not a bigger deal than any of the other Federal Reserve Notes that are borrowed (via Treasury debt purchases) into existence. Much ado about the ordinary daily fraud.

    • Steve August 12, 2010, 10:04 pm

      From Red Steve:

      Federal Reserve Notes are not Dollars as defined by legislative act. A Federal Reserve Note is not a Dollar for the several States any more than a Canadian Dollar is.

      I made the point not too long ago. House behind me:

      Loan 700,000.00 Country Wide – Default
      Bank of America claims 680,000.00 Asset
      Default value 280,000.00 – account scam 680,000.00 – 280,000.00 = 400,000.00 just gone.
      700,000.00 taken to another county to purchase property
      700,000.00 property now 350,000.00 = 350,000.00 frn just gone.

      What happened to the frns according to Congress, and what really happened to the frn – more value by deflation ?

      Does an acre at 1000.00 frns make a frn have value ?
      And, if the acre falls to 500.00 frns, does the fern have more value ? What about the owner ?
      Or, did the useful value of an acre of land fall in half because of valueless frns ?

      When a bank has 1000 dollars, and can lend 10,000.00, then claim the 10,000.00 note as assets to lend 100,000.00 – what have you ?
      And when that 10,000.00 note falls in perceived value to 2,000.00, and I say you can still claim the original value to lend the 100,000.00 – what have you ?

      An acre of land has value, in what it can produce. The amount of frns assigned to the acre matter not. I do not care what the value of an acre is in frn, only that I do not place my self in the position to be compelled to sell, or buy at extremes in speculation.

      You guys with high math can do it better, but; the ‘value’ of 20 Dollar Gold Double Eagle was a ‘suit’ in 1850. The ‘value’ of a 50 Dollar Eagle today is a ‘suit’. The same ounce of gold, buying the same thing on average.

      If a truth could be found exterior of fancy legalized accounting schemes maybe the deflation / inflation discussion would be easier. Chew on this; The cycles of Money historically establishes that value will come down to a ‘suit’ and what it takes to get it at 1 oz gold.

      Right now to reach Natural Balance frns must raise in value to equal 1 oz fine silver, quid pro quo 1=1. Raising the value of silver means deflation – nearly 1199 frns must be removed from circulation. In the case of the house behind me 700,000.00 to 280,000.00 is a start.

      Our problem is that the congress lets the bankers claim they have 700,000.00 in assets, when they do not. There is inflation in accounting, but; in reality where are we ? Eventually we will end at subsistence if people fail to comprehend ‘value’, and change the legislature’s corruption. The current congress is not going to change the monetary system. The majority in America are not going to give up frns.

      Lets all just HOPE history is wrong and big Ben will save the day.

    • Benjamin August 13, 2010, 7:00 am

      Red Steve said… “Right now to reach Natural Balance frns must raise in value to equal 1 oz fine silver, quid pro quo 1=1. Raising the value of silver means deflation – nearly 1199 frns must be removed from circulation. In the case of the house behind me 700,000.00 to 280,000.00 is a start.”

      Steve,

      I was going to say that very same thing earlier, but went with the frn to $ conversion instead because at least it was working with known numbers. By that I mean that surely 100k in FRN debt exists, and the gold eagle is stamped with $50. I don’t know how many $ of gold and silver eagles exists, nor how much debt there is. Anyway, I am curious as to how you came to conclude the 1 : 2,000 ratio. Was that from the example I provided earlier, or from somewhere else? In the meantime…

      Deflation of debt via write-down would accomplish the same thing as valuing up eagles vs FRN in an inflation. People would not be able to afford eagles in the resulting deflation, as what they would convert out of would be in their hands all the less. How would they get their hands on any to keep fiat from making a quick comeback?

      (On a side note, now I remember what I didn’t like about Mr. Hugo Price’s idea. Going the other way, declaring exchange rate up vs silver, wouldn’t put the cash in hand to convert into silver dollars, any more than deflation would. So it would stay with those who have the lion’s share of gold and silver.)

      The mother of all problems is that most people don’t have very much in the way of bar or coin, nor the massive amount of paper FRNs and control of where/when it goes. The bankers of course do, on all points. So as this depression drags on, their stashes of gold/silver are increasingly more secure in their hands. So there really is only one that I can see to take care of this once and for all…

      Now, you said people won’t give up their FRNs. You’re right, because if deflation is allowed to revalue FRNs up vs silver dollars, most people would lose nearly everything or everything and they wouldn’t get any gold or silver medals for their brave sacrifice. No one would agree to that, so they would have to be given an offer that they can’t refuse.

      Such an offer is a boatload of big IFs but short of that, we’ll never get out of this, that I can see.

  • F. Beard August 12, 2010, 5:55 pm

    An unspoken assumption (or maybe presumption) is that lending and borrowing has to and will continue. Another possibility is people returning to some version of “pay-as-you-go” as the generally accepted approach to finances. Either cash or barter. Wyz

    There are forms of money that require no borrowing or lending: a modern form of tally sticks and common stock are two of them:

    Common stock as money:
    1) requires no borrowing or lending; capital and labor are merely bought with new stock issuance.
    2) Deflation is not a problem because the money (common stock) does not go out of existence as is the case with FRL.
    3) Any price inflation is born by the corporation’s owners since all money recipients are by definition part owners of the corporation.
    4) The amount of new money to be issued is under the authority of the current money holders since they can vote their money ( common stock).
    5) Common stock as money shares wealth as it purchases it thus precluding the social problems associated with wealth disparity (bad) while allowing capital concentration (good).

    A modern form of tally sticks would be government fiat that was legal tender for government debts ONLY.

    Our problems stem from government backed violation of Deuteronomy 23:19-20

    Now, we should apply Deuteronomy 15 and Leviticus 25 to bailout the population and allow other money alternatives to the current usury scheme.

  • Steve August 12, 2010, 5:31 pm

    F.Beard

    Point well taken. How can one pay off 400,000.00 in loans compelled by the congress, if after selling everything held as a debtor in possession, and after redeeming every federal reserve note, computer click, and other form of money there is still 400,000.00 owing.

    Historically these schemes end with payment in blood. Historically, the social mood is a waterfall event. Yet, I have read the great minds at Yale, and Harvard who propagandize IT IS ALL DIFFERENT THIS TIME.

    I would surely love to believe that propaganda.

  • F. Beard August 12, 2010, 4:40 pm

    How can the savers ever rise again with a government backed counterfeiting cartel? To not borrow from the cartel is to risk being priced out of the market by those that do.

  • Wyz August 12, 2010, 3:58 pm

    An unspoken assumption (or maybe presumption) is that lending and borrowing has to and will continue. Another possibility is people returning to some version of “pay-as-you-go” as the generally accepted approach to finances. Either cash or barter.

    Can people become so upset with banks and financial organizations that they will refuse to use them or their “money”?

    I’ve wondered for some time now why a bank and their computer is needed to store bits representing my “money”?

    • gary leibowitz August 14, 2010, 7:37 pm

      Mikeck,

      Unless the federal government collapses, the dollar will remain as it is today. To the average person a dollar saved is going to be worth a lot more as deflation ravages assets. If the dollar will be devalued against say China, then everyone loses. Not likely. If China, our biggest lender, supplier of goods, and ever increasing need for our commodities, were to allow their currency to float then we would be in deep shit.

      Anyone arguing that cash will not outperform most asset investments goes against history. If you argue for hyper-inflation then that statement will be negated. Today to argue for such a scenario puts the horse before the cart. We are clearly in a deflationary market today with no signs of reversal.

      Gold historically is one of the worse investments over time. Sure there are spikes but they never last and usually crash and burn on the way down.

      A doomsday scenario is the only one where gold will be a bartering device. Not likely no matter how bad things get.

  • gary leibowitz August 12, 2010, 3:29 pm

    The mistake everyone makes is assuming the dollar will crash and burn. It has no intrinsic value. It myst be valued against other currencies. Which one will hold up in this global debacle.

    Why did cash win out in the 30’s and today it will be a loser? Deflation will hit us this time around with much greater force. I still say cash will be the number one investment/survival vehicle.

    Gold, like most commodities is not traded with a volume that can be considered safe. There is so much speculative money invested in it that it can fall very hard, very fast. The true test is to see how well it hold up after the initial equities crash (assuming we have one).

    • Steve August 12, 2010, 5:24 pm

      I’m always perplexed when I see everyone saying that gold is valued in federal reserve notes, or silver is valued in federal reserve notes. It is the other way around. Silver specie Coin has ‘value’ established legislatively. Current account, current mint Coin is Legal Tender. Federal Reserve Note’s ‘tally’ against slave debt is valued in silver. These ‘notes’ are legal tender for slaves “tally” sticks – the value of nothing more than a tally of the debt owed within a territory by a legislative creation of the congress – that is YOU ! 14th Amendment created your citizenship under Master Legislation. The fact is Political and not subject to judicial review under the Separation of Powers Doctrine. Congress knows they cannot compel political choice, but; they don’t tell the people, so the people commit High Treason with Money while the congress laughs taxing the commerce of the voluntary slaves in an experiment in mobocracy.

      Now, one can choose to ignore Fair Weights and Measures and say the tally number against me “is”, or one can choose to extinguish the debt with Legal Tender.

      Our problem is that the people do not want to change and do what is correct – sometimes hard choices. Nash’s Non Co-operative Game Theory works because A is afraid B will get something he cannot have (nobody will get the Blond if every one goes after her, ignore the Blond and everyone will get “X” – agree that no one will act Lawfully). It is great theory of economic means until such time as a select group of bankers find they can keep everything coming to them via ‘fear’ in the masses that causes them to punish anyone who would use silver specie Coin to Extinguish Debt.

      Gold and Silver Coin struck by the Mint is Legal Tender NOW ! The game is that congress found out that they could set up a banking system, and then trick the people into letting the legitimate system fail by non-funding and fear.

      When it comes to banking, Coin is struck on the edge because bankers shaved. Bank regulation came because bankers lent more debt, than they had Coin in the vault – paper fiat. Congress figured this out and sold out to a foreign cabal for fiat based upon a tax scheme based in “use” under the Banking Act of 1913. Use creates a general and paramount lien against the discharge and the user owes a tax for use.

      I feel justified in saying that the whole scheme is a transfer scheme taking Titles via Escheats by Roman Civil Law, instead of the Common Law for America. This is your 14th amendment ‘civil rights’ everyone screams about, instead of the Unalienable Rights of Endowment – re-read the Declaration.

      Nash’s theory works because I cannot work with Lawful Money if you will not ! I can deny Legal Tender is Legal Tender if you will ! I can be an outlaw if you will, because there will be no one to punish our crimes. And, if any ‘one person’ comes against us we can punish him for the good of the masses – taking his Liberty insidiously by infringement over time, and preventing him from trade because there will be no one but us to trade with.

      You have three branches of government that sold out to a new single monarchy in succession via the loop-hole Commander in Chief Theory. This is all so that the few in the Governing Class can Lord over the flyover people.

      Control, lust for control.

      Propaganda works out of fear of loosing something one does not even own. It is propaganda that federal reserve notes are not Treason on the several States. The propaganda works because everyone fears the loss of their possession more than they fear the loss of Liberty.

      The propaganda that current account 2010 struck Eagles are not Legal Tender, the only legitimate Legal Tender, works because the ‘c’itizen would rather be possessed as a slave, than be in Liberty. Gold Coin is a commodity because everyone accepts the lie presented by the people who created a scheme to take the Birthright by Escheats fraud.

      The mistake is made – a 50 Eagle has a value of 371 4/16ths grains of fine silver X 50 – thus 50 silver specie Dollars in ‘value’. An ounce of Native Gold is valued at 50 x 371 4/16th grains silver. The tally against a slave is T (tally) x 1 ounce. The commodity of human slave flesh varies on the open market in federal reserve notes – how old is the slave, how long can he produce, how smart is he. The tally afforded the flesh of a slave is something the International Account uses to set how many federal reserve notes to tally today, and how much silver can the slave dig, process, and smelt in a day establishes the tally against the flesh on a daily, hourly basis. The 9th circuit opined an enfranchisee has denied his inheritance, and is incapable of inheriting Legal Tender Coin Value because he is a slave, owing a perpetual debt to the master congress. The words are mine, the opinion of the court real.

      I can use an Eagle 50 to pay my debt at ‘Face’, but; the people will not punish the government agent when he commits High Treason by conversion to notes as a tally.

    • Benjamin August 12, 2010, 6:31 pm

      “I can use an Eagle 50 to pay my debt at ‘Face’,”

      FRN 100,000 / $50 = 2,000 au oz .

      1/16th of a tonne, with the only way to accquire it, short of robbing the Mint, is forking over FRN 2.4 million(!), at today’s gold (au) prices. It’s better with silver (ag), but still illogical…

      100k / $1 = 100k ag oz … 100k x 18 = 1.8 million

      That needs to be cured. Speaking of which, this all reminded me… Ever read anything by Hugo Salinas Price? He’s another Austrian type monetarist who, last I checked, was trying to get Mexico to do something with their libertad coins. It’s a pretty revolutionary idea…

      http://www.plata.com.mx/mplata/articulos/articlesFilt.asp?fiidarticulo=109

      Sell them at the spot price + premium, but with no face “value”/denomination, and later declare it above that price. And just keep doing it until debt is paid off (I presumed). The result would be that silver coin would start to save and circulate again, eventually replacing fiat entirely.

    • mikeck August 12, 2010, 6:47 pm

      Gary,

      Can you name one fiat currency that has survived the test of time? Maybe you chose to value it against other currencies that are also losing value, but fool me twice shame on me. How do you measure something of changing value against something else of changing value? You are losing purchasing power even if the $ goes up against other currencies.

      Cash won out in the 30’s because it was still perceived as being backed by gold. Sure cash will have perceived value until people do a reality check and realize they have been fooled.

      Gold is not for trading…it is money!!!

      Mike

  • mikeck August 12, 2010, 3:17 pm

    In the unlikely event that anyone missed it, I’m posting a few comments and the link to a recent blog from FOFOA.

    If you’ve not read the post from FOFOA my comments may leave you wondering of what it is that I write. Regarding letting the price of gold go free…I don’t think the bankers will ever give in until there is a run on their banks, i.e. more folks want to get “their” metal than there are physical ounces in the vault. Jeffrey Christian indicated 100 ounces sold for every ounce held or, put another way, an oz. of gold is worth about $120,000 to the bankers at today’s prices.

    I seriously doubt even Mr. Christian is aware of all the excess selling that is taking place, i.e. can he possibly know how many ounces Kitco holds in their pooled account for each ounce sold…can he know how many other pooled /commingled accounts there are in the world and how many oz. they each hold for every oz. sold? I think the answer is obvious, his figure may very well be low.

    Also, backing up this sentiment is the fact that after the bank of India bought half the gold, 200 tonnes, being sold by the IMF, Eric Sprott the Canadian billionaire owner of Sprott Asset Management offered to buy the remainder…he was told he did not qualify. I suppose that was because they were not about to sell it at “market” prices and did not want to reveal the true price. Giving them the benefit of the doubt, maybe they knew he did not have enough money to pay $100,000 + per ounce. I think 200 tonnes at banker prices would be out of the reach of almost everyone who does not have a printing press and “authority” to counterfeit.

    http://fofoa.blogspot.com/2010_08_01_archive.html

    Sorry I can’t offer a bright side, but time and knowledge will solve this problem…probably too late for me to see the freedom that emerges.

    Mike

  • GMC August 12, 2010, 2:37 pm

    The Banksters OTC derivatives will be made whole and it wont be made thru deflation, after all they own the most physical gold.

    • Rich August 12, 2010, 5:48 pm

      So why exactly are the Big4 short precious metals including copper (and lead)?…

  • BDTR August 12, 2010, 2:33 pm

    “Is any of us so wise as to be guaranteed a constructive role in that brave new world?”

    A rhetorical question, to be sure. But given that a systemic culture of debt is causal to our financial downfall, saving of real money as opposed to an endless servicing of debt for one form or another of excess is a practical and constructive start for individual citizens. It is happening in increasing numbers across the social spectrum. We all know that the mania is coming.

    But there’s really no hard place alternative for the Fed other than to monetize by purchasing the many trillions of debt propping economic function. The political consequences of allowing a spontaneous, monetarily driven D-flationary economic collapse are inconceivably socially destructive exposing the nation to utter chaos. Inflating at least buys some control time. Otherwise, it’s like a Lehman everywhere in the economy. Sudden, absolute, non-functional paralysis provoking fear, violence and instant authoritarianism.

    I saw a News Hour interview yesterday with an ex-pat food writer relocated to Athens remark that one positive social benefit to the collapsing economy there is an evident return to meaningful basics.

    What’s fundamentally important culturally and personally will, imo, redefine our national character and priorities. Meanwhile, there’s still time to encourage others to position for what I imagine will be a precipitously spontaneous inflationary slide as opposed to a D-flationary rug-pulled-out-from-under event.

    That, and a commitment to the well being of those around us.

    • Rich August 12, 2010, 5:47 pm

      Ah, the Fed Treasury Ponzi Scheme bigger than Bernard Madeoff and Sir Alan Stanford combined.

      More and more Americans on Social Security Trust ex-Pats for a more affordable, if tougher, lifestyle offshore.

      Wonder how long it takes the Feds to close that exodus along with Means Testing, Medicare Rationing, Redefining CPI, Reduced Benefits, Retirement at 70 and double-taxing gross instead of net?…

  • donniemac August 12, 2010, 1:09 pm

    The US dollars held by the Chinese will save us – maybe.

    But I think your lease idea is a little too far out in left field. What I think will happen is a chance for mortgagees to refi through fannie and freddie at a rate close to zero per cent. Just as with the current modification scheme, proof of income and the ability to make that much lower payment will be required. This may actually be a good plan if the normal rules apply, for example, if your balance is greater than 80%, you have to pay PMI, etc. It is a way for HB Bernanke to activate his nickname in reality if you are allowed to pull equity out, not that I think that is a good idea. To carry this out farther, only one refi allowed at the special rate. This would allow mortgage backed securities to start to become whole, it would start to put some money circulating into the economy by putting mortgage brokers back to work. As the money flows into the banks, they in turn will start to feel pressure to lend – the old fashioned way that banks made money – and at a rate more in line with what they are paying savers.
    Fannie and freddie are quickly becoming the mortgage holders anyways and, to my way of thinking, this is a method that could restart the economy. Satisfies RAs old saying of someone has to pay the debt, if not the lendee than the lender. This allows the lender to become whole and keeps the lendee in a happy place, if you will :).

  • Oliver August 12, 2010, 10:47 am

    Yes, the US government as landlord. That will come. Must come. Now then it is a weird mix of Japan and Soviet Union.
    If there will be grandchildren in this weird world, the US will fill future history books as the dumbest shmucks the planet has ever seen. Although that would be absolutely unfair. Sadly, it´s the old story all over again. Only this time the scale is unfathomably grand, befitting a nation with the “greatest stock exchange in the universe” – CNBC madness.
    As the “Daily Reckoning” reckons correctly: if this turns into a long slow Japan-drool we will all have been really lucky.
    What does a man from the street have to do, when he runs into too much debt? Stop spending. Close the ivy leagues. Useless.
    Close all universities. Useless.
    Boys prefer learning from real life anyway. And the girls can get out their old style crafts, too.

    • Rich August 12, 2010, 5:03 pm

      US gubmint already a landlord at taxpayer expense.
      30,000 people in Atlanta rioted yesterday when only 13,000 applications for the waiting list for Section 8 Housing were handed out the first time in eight years. 82 people went to a doctor or hospital, likely at taxpayer expense. One baby had a seizure after hours in the heat and humidity. Corporate government created the ultimate sperm to worm consumer class. Too bad they are out of money and work…

      http://www.coosavalleynews.com/np86701.htm

  • Dave August 12, 2010, 8:43 am
  • Steve August 12, 2010, 5:55 am

    Importantly;

    Samuel Colt made all Men equal. And, if you are not equal you’ll have no gold, no silver, and you will loose faith.

    An old saying of the Buzzard – Patience my arse – I’m gonna kill something.

    Rick, thanks for the forum, the conversation and the great use of words. I so appreciate the way you use the language.

  • JohnJay August 12, 2010, 5:32 am

    So who is the Fed going to sell their Mortgage Backed Securities to?
    Will it include a buy back clause when the homeowners default or worse, when it comes to light that the same mortgage was sold multiple times in multiple bonds?
    Now that’s real leverage!

  • Rich August 12, 2010, 5:05 am

    There is a reason the FED has fought an audit. Does anyone with a pulse believe their balance sheet ?

    Certainly you don’t expect Bernanke to show his hand and say …” Yes I’m going to print trillions until the the debt is marginalized”.

  • Keith August 12, 2010, 4:34 am

    I always hoped I would be a frontrunner in the brave new world…. having the foresight to buy gold and then re-invest it into new capital when the U.S. is ready to rebuild. To say the least my hopes are shattered on a monthly basis.

    There is nothing that the “powers” will not try. Who ever thought that GM, Freddie & Fannie and such as would be bailed out? Never, under any circumstances should any of us underestimate the ability of the Feds to pull out a new trick. There are many more to come. Some of which will never be dreamed up in Rick’s Picks forums.

    With that said, the future is very uncertain except for the fact that it’s going to be harder and harder to make an honest living. I’m getting ripped off and I’m really getting pissed off about it.

    • Rick Ackerman August 12, 2010, 5:06 am

      There has been nothing even the least bit imaginative about what the Fed has tried so far, and there are no rabbits about to be pulled out of hats. No one ever imagined that Fannie, Freddie and all of the others would NOT be bailed out; it was only the treatment of Lehman that surprised.

      And speaking of “NO surprises,” we should expect mortgages eventually to be rewritten as lease agreements, with mortgage forgiveness apportioned according to the homeowner’s taxable income. That’s one more thing that needn’t shock anyone when it happens — but please don’t credit Bernanke & Co. for having been “radical” in their thinking. RA

  • Edward0 August 12, 2010, 4:31 am

    one to three years that is

  • Edward0 August 12, 2010, 4:31 am

    Doctors have patients, and patients, especially those in the waiting room of their local clinic, generally must exhibit much patience. As for when FRN notes finally become the stuff of wheelbarrows, well, patience beyond one to three ought to suffice.

  • Benjamin August 12, 2010, 3:59 am

    Now that was a surprise ending. Yes, it is inevitable. The question is when, but no one can know the answer to that, as it’s not anything defined by time or sequence of event. But it will have to be some day unless humanity just feels like giving up.

    I think it’s Dr. Darryl Schoon who often says — “Buy gold, buy silver, and have faith”.

    I would add have patience, but I haven’t quite figured out how to have that yet!

  • Other Paul August 12, 2010, 3:34 am

    Rick,
    Your essay is the most resigned I read from you about the futility of the Fed’s efforts and the ineviability of the destruction of the dollar.

    Is the end nigh?

    • Steve August 12, 2010, 3:59 am

      Call the Fed, they will not call their valueless notes “Dollars”.

      Federal Reserve Notes have no “Value”, and exist in confidence. (real paper value 2.4 cents as toilet paper)

      Eagles are valued in Dollars, Dollars are defined legislatively by the Spanish Milled Dollar which was in general use in 1775/1792 when the Coinage Act said a Dollar is 361 4/16ths grains of fine silver in a Coin struck by the Mint as required for Legal Tender for the several States.

      The use of the term “Gold Standard” is assent to the crimes of F.D.R. and the congress in breach of the Separation of Powers Doctrine.

      If we cannot use the language, and define our terms, we cannot have hope to understand. How does one convey it is night time if there is no common understanding of the word “darkness”. Da Boyz have taken the word Allodial, Allodium, and Allodialist out of the dictionary, and out of knowledge in the Title Company, and from Real Estate – WHY ? The spell check on this computer is screaming at me that I am a dummy for using the words !

    • Rich August 12, 2010, 4:51 pm

      Maybe.
      The Spanish Silver Dollar, also known as the Pieces of Eight or Reale, was de facto legal tender in the New World colonies from five years after Columbus discovered America until the Coinage Act of 1857 stopped it after the Battle of the Alamo in the Texas Revolution for Independence.
      360 years is almost ten times longer than the fiat dollar traded without international gold backing courtesy of Richard (We’re all Keynesians now) Nixon on 15 August 1971, AKA the Nixon Shock. If Chuck and his precious sentiment research are right, we may not be too far from another shock. Just waiting for Big4 to cover their precious shorts and the Put/Call ratios on GDX, GLD, SLV and SLW to peak with red volume again…

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_dollar.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Alamo
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixon_Shock