Bullion’s Rampage Crushes Doubters…

The other day, we asked what kind of benighted Wall Street lackey would be so bearish on gold and silver these days as to advise their immediate sale.  With nearly every central bank in the world on a monetary wilding spree, how, one might ask, could bullion prices possibly fall?  And, yes, they will someday — in a big way. But that day probably lies well down the road, since there is almost no chance that a world hopelessly addicted to central-bank “free” money is about to go cold turkey. Europe’s move toward austerity is arguably the only fiscal threat to bullion’s powerful bull market right now, but at the end of the day it is no more a counterforce to global money-mania than a sand castle is to the pounding surf of a hurricane.

Silver could certainly use a rest, but don't think it will by any more than that...

In any event, long before the supposed bubble in gold and silver bursts, the dollar would have to collapse, taking the global economy with it into a deflationary Marianas Trench. Until that day arrives, however, one would have to be crazy to think that the bull market in precious metals is anywhere near an end.  For now, we’ll stick with a litmus test we proposed here earlier to determine when the bull market is ending. Specifically, we wrote that Joe Sixpack would be telling his poker buddies about mineralization levels in Ghana before bullion peaks. So far, though, as is plain to see, Joe Sixpack has not even discovered mining stocks, let alone Ghana core samples.

Let’s Out the Bears

Speaking of Wall Street lackeys who are bearish on bullion, we’d like to list them publically so that they will be as harmless as belled cats the next time they appear on CNBC (with predictions that will typically lag actuality by months, if not years). If you’d like to help us name names, please post them in the Rick’s Picks forum, along with appropriate quotes from the horses’ mouths dissing gold and silver.

And as long as we’re sniping at Wall Street’s prognosticators, we’ll go out on a limb with some predictions of our own. Silver and Gold futures both reached important Hidden Pivot rally targets yesterday that had kept us properly bullish during this most recent phase of the precious-metals bull market.  Our longstanding target for December Gold was $1340.00, but that “hidden resistance” was exceeded yesterday by a small amount, $2.90.  December Silver, on the other hand, blew past a corresponding target at $22.505, trading as high as $22.920 intraday. The implication is that both metals are likely to continue moving higher with or without an intervening correction. Specific price levels and forecasts are given in Ricks Picks’ latest gold and silver touts, so if you want to see exactly where we think bullion prices are headed, you can do so by taking a free seven-day trial subscription.  Of course, since the rally in precious metals is feeding off the collapse of the dollar, we also offer detailed, ongoing analysis of the NYBOT Dollar Index.

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  • bigdee October 6, 2010, 7:14 pm

    Re: Oct 05, “Tariffs” posting

    “Now comes a survey that says the American public has soured on free trade.”

    Sometime I wonder if we really ever had it anyway, perhaps in some items anyway. While visiting Kuala Lampur, Malasia a few years back I wanted to leave a bottle of wine as thanks to my hosts while staying there. Calif. wine I could buy here for $8-$9 a bottle was $35+ over there. Having just bought a new Harley-Davidson here for sticker price $16,500 I checked out the Harley dealership over there. The same model was priced at nearly $35,000. Perhaps this free trade thing was only an illusion and just maybe a one way street! I’ve noticed in my foreign travels over the years american products overseas most always seemed way over price compared
    to here. Much more than freight and markup would assume.

  • cosmo October 6, 2010, 7:10 pm

    Since I bought gold in 2003, I have been reading and watching the writers prognosticate the POG to no end, including the work of GATA. So my view has become one of insiders(Bankers) and truth tellers. Nadler writes for the largest gold website and is well quoted in MSM journals. So, if you are “talking your book”, you would be bullish, if for no other reason than to bring interest and sales to your site. So, IMO, it compromises his credibility and makes him suspect as an agent for the Bankers(along with his denial of manipulation). Same for Gartman.

    Prechter falls into the Truth tellers, but got his story wrong(up to now). We can’t be right all the time…
    Munger and Buffet are suspect as insiders(along with pics with Rothchild) for their sales of Silver a few years ago when the ETF needed metal and they sold for some unexplained reason.
    So, the people that are bashing gold as it continues to rise raise red flags as to their allegiance and sincerity.
    We all expect the CB to lie because that is what they do. The writers however…

    In the end, my read is that the market is manipulated by the CB with agents working the PR side. They are running out of gold to manipulate it down and the COMEX will default one day. Will that be THE event that kicks in the hyper-inflationary phase??

  • Terry S October 6, 2010, 7:04 pm

    @ ExNav et al – y’all should read the interview pitting Nadler vs Embry in Mining Markets, Sept. 2010, Vol. 1, #3. Cheers!

  • FranSix October 6, 2010, 5:17 pm

    I find that I would rather stick around a deflationist website with a jaundiced eye for gold then have to put up with hyperinflationists who are mortally insulted by the prospect of gold merely adjusting for inflation.

  • petes October 6, 2010, 5:04 pm

    Pretcher would have been right if he had realised that cash and cash equivalents meant precious metals which have been real money for thousands of years. Todays fiat currencies are not real money just bits of paper backed by faith.

  • KR October 6, 2010, 2:27 pm

    Ronald Rosen has been calling for a drastic drop in gold for as long as I can remember.
    On August 3, 2010, as an example, he had an article on Kitco titled “Gold and Silver Shares are About to Collapse!”
    He backs his theory on Gann charts. He will be right someday, but even a broken clock is correct twice a day, so I’m not holding my breath.

    • Bay of Pigs October 6, 2010, 10:55 pm

      I’ve written Gartman, Nadler, Rosen and others. They won’t ever listen because they don’t understand the driving forces in the gold market. I have no idea why people listen to them anymore. They have no credibility at all.

    • SDavid October 7, 2010, 3:11 am

      With respect to Nadler, it could be entirely possible Kitco keeps him around strictly to offset the legions of gold bulls who contribute articles to the that site. Differing points of view (even when we don’t agree with them) are a necessary component in the ongoing battle between bulls and bears.

  • JH October 6, 2010, 1:57 pm

    I was at a business meeting the other day and we were all talking about frustrations with our 401K and that we couldn’t trust equities. Everyone agreed but when I said I had been getting into gold for the last year they looked at me like I was crazy. I guess we still have a lot of upside. Anyway, here are some quotes but note many of these guys flip-flop depending upon ???? (insert your word here: “institutional pressure”, “long positions”, “short positions”, “the wind”):

    8/11/2009 Bob Precther, president of Elliott Wave International: The precious metals are “heavily overbought” and the “path of least resistance” will be to the downside for many months, he says. “[Gold’s] going to go much further [down] than people think.”

    5/14/2020 The ETF Review: The gold ETF “has accelerated to new highs over the week with the flight to safety,” the newsletter said. “However, momentum is now nearing a similar overbought level as per late November last year. On that occasion the market topped out and collapsed spectacularly. Gold futures are up ahead of the U.S. open and we will take profits on that strength today.

    11/26/2009, Geoff Beeston, Investment advisor at Lonsec: Gold is overbought, says Geoff Beeston, investment advisor at Lonsec. He advises investors to be cautious about chasing higher gold prices.

    5/11/2010 and 5/12/2010, Guy Adami, Managing Director, Drakon Capital: Sell GLD, on 5/10 he said he is leaning with Richard Russell that the Dow would drop significantly, but maybe not 3000.

    9/27/2010, Daniel Strachman, HedgeAnswers, “That’s right, you read it right here. I’m going short gold today because the signs have alerted me that prices are at the top.”

  • Phil C October 6, 2010, 12:19 pm

    Suzy Orman:
    I would be careful investing in gold, it could go up or down at any moment. Don’t buy more than 10% of your net worth and most importantly, don’t buy physical gold, buy ETF like GLD or SLV

    Amazing BS coming from a lady who is supposed to help guide the mass.

    • DiverCity October 6, 2010, 5:29 pm

      In that same vein — advisor to the masses — I think of Dave Ramsey. He well understands the perils of consumer debt and is good at pontificating on it. He tries quite unsuccessfully to bootstrap that, however, into some street cred on giving financial advice and he falls flat.

  • VegasBob October 6, 2010, 10:03 am

    Another simple way to determine gold’s trend is to look at real inflation-adjusted interest rates. Bernokio is holding short-term real rates below zero and has successfully manipulated real inflation-adjusted medium-term rates (2-5 years) to below zero as well. So the inflation-adjusted opportunity cost of holding gold in the short-to-medium term is zero.

    If real inflation-adjusted rates were 8%, people would dump gold. The economy would also crash as people dumped not only gold but also stocks, bonds, houses, etc.

    • Robert October 6, 2010, 6:28 pm

      Exactly- any sudden, rapid drop in the Gold price in the near to intermediate term means that every non-paper asset on Earth is about to hit the declining ask price, and every paper instrument will immediately go no-bid…

      And Rick Ackerman will be vindicated as the wisest of the wise cave-living gurus on the mountain.

      Gold’s real bull market top HAS to be marked by strong, REAL economic growth, and declining REAL unemployment levels… and rising REAL capital interest rates (indicated by rising rents in a zero vacancy scenario)- and these indicators have to be taken on a GLOBAL scale; for the Gold Bull of the 70’s was mainly a US phenomenon (and since Gold was priced in dollars, the rest of the world had to play along) but this time it is the rest of the world pulling on one side of the rope, while the US is pulling on the other end- who will end up in the mud in this great tug of war? the US, or everyone else?

  • GlennH October 6, 2010, 7:41 am

    Pretcher and EWI have provided and continue to generate some very valuable work but I do not know why they are carrying the wave counts they are for Gold and US$, specifically the DXY. I very seldom fade them but I have been carrying different counts for a while now. It is almost like they are using some kind of funnymental opinion (deflation) to color the labeling of the major peaks. A habit they are normally accusing others of doing. Saying that, it is important not to be too much of a wise guy. I just enjoy being on the right side of the trade. It is fun.

    We thought Gold was going to retest 490 through the support at 650 but it did not, that is the ultimate test of a trend, to hold at support and not break down. The move up to new highs indicates that the strong trend in place since 2002 is obviously still in charge. We saw the action and changed our mind and went long PM stocks and have done well.

    I find it very funny that markets like gold, natural gas and the US$ (the 3 most ..not sure of the word..un-free trading.. manipulated would probably work) can go from 90 % bullish sentiment to 5 % bulls over the course of a couple of qtrs. Do all these market players and analysts meet at the bar and change their mind every 6 or 8 weeks? It is important to stay with the trend, but never have a dogmatic opinion of the trend. When the trend turns, gold and gold mining stocks quickly become two different trades. To people new to the mining sector my advice is ….stay awake. Periods like Oct 2008 will happen again.

  • VegasBob October 6, 2010, 5:38 am

    I lean toward a macroeconomic world view, so it’s sometimes difficult for me to follow technical analysis.

    Academics have a law of parsimony called ‘Occam’s Razor.’ Its basic gist is that when all else is equal, the simplest explanation of a phenomena is usually the correct one.

    Given my preference for simple explanations, regardless of what Gartman and other gold bears say, one point is clear in my mind – as long as Bernokio and the rest of the world’s central bankers are running their high-speed printing presses 24/7, the price of gold will continue to rise.

    • Tom Paine October 6, 2010, 2:56 pm

      I think I get the Bernokio gag, but to make it clearer maybe you can write it as Bernocchio. Hmmm, either way leaves something to be desired, but I like the point.

      Let’s face it, central bankers these days…or maybe always…are just high paid con men. They have to lie. What is Banksternanke gonna do, say “We have no reserves, the whole thing is a Ponzi scheme, and if you hold our toilet paper notes, you are insane” ?

      Come to think of it, maybe that is what he is saying indirectly with QEII, trying to scare the banks and corporations into lending and spending instead of hoarding cash that would rapidly lose value under a full scale printing regime.

  • Tom Paine October 6, 2010, 5:19 am

    It’s funny I was just thinking how much I’d like to publicly scoff at Mr. John “scrap is going to overwhelm the gold market” Nadler, but really…

    Of course, it is crossing my mind just now that this exercise in kicking bullion bears could very well be a contrarian indicator. Hmmmmm.

    Ok, but I’m having fun, so…

    Has anybody heard some of the recent stuff from the mouth of Buffet sidekick, Charlie Munger? Hooo Boy.

    First, he defended the bankster bailouts as saving civilization and then crassly said that the little guy should “suck it in, buddy” because…well…it would be counter productive to bail him out.

    Then today on the Kaiser report they showed a clip from I think the same interview where he said, “Everyone has a responibility to be rational” and “holding gold is not rational”, then he called people holding gold “jerks” and said they should be interested in equities, not gold.

    Hello! I wish I could preserve wealth by investing in the traditional way with some bonds and general equities, but the “Lords of Universe” decided starting back with LTCM that every time a big fund or bank screwed the pooch, they had to be bailed out to “save civilization”, and the result has been that the money to do has been stolen from widows and orphans and savers in general…

    Oh, we all know the story.

    So, Charlie Munger, if trying to preserve my wealth, and even perhaps make a little money by investing in gold, silver and related equities makes me a jerk, fine.

    Oh yeah, and you can kiss my golden…

    • DG October 6, 2010, 6:10 am

      Munger is calling his partner’s Dad a jerk!

    • Robert October 6, 2010, 6:13 pm

      Great point DC!

      Buffet the Senior understood Gold far better than his son does…

      in fact, I personally use the following people as my Gold- contrarian indicaters. When I see bullish Gold viewpoints from the following people, I will begin looking for the exit:

      1) Soros- (Soros is publically bearish with his Gold bubble comments, yet he is a huge buyer)- when Soros turns publically bullish, I will be doing some serious analysis

      2) Buffett- Warren Junior WILL turn bullish on Gold, and I’m assuming it will be the same time that John Paulson goes bearish.

      3) Bill Gates- When Gates touts Gold on TV, the masses will listen, and the smart money will begin feeding the supply into the weak hands.

  • jj October 6, 2010, 4:56 am

    I’ve been invested in gold since $340 during the spring of 2003, I’ve lost track and interest in sooo many Top callers over the years its like flippen Groundhog day (the movie) why does the world give these clowns air time when they have been sooo wrong these past 7 years?

    The Business channels should introduce these clowns as, Mr soandso has incorrectly called the gold trend these past 8 years so lets get his latest take….hello!!!

    My motto “Follow the Best Forget the Rest” Sprott, Sinclair, Turk, Ackerman these guys have correctly called golds trend over the years and their ultimate targets are far higher than todays record high of $1342

    Was at a large party this weekend and real estate became the hot topic as it is here in Canada, I mentioned gold and got the are you from Mars stare…..bubble this!…nobody owns it!!!…….yet!

    If and its a big if gold takes a well deserved pause and slips below $1300 all the Top calling morons will be out in force…but buy the weakness…and it won’t be gold leading the retracement it will be the US$ bouncing its face off the mat from some shortcovering before diving alot harder below current levels.

    Do yourself a big favour and cut out all the background noise regarding gold and follow the leaders.

    Joke of the day, Bank of Japan wasted how much $Yen trying to devalue its currency only to have it back in their face a week later…..now its print baby print…the Central Banks of the Japan, US and Europe will be QEasing to infinity……they have no other choice….everything priced in US$’s is going to cost alot more to purchase, toss out the fundamentals its a currency devaluation race to ZERO, 000

    Got Gold?

  • TKO October 6, 2010, 4:41 am

    I’ve studied and tried to apply all kinds of theories and technicals on markets over the years—long waves, short waves, elliot waves, astronomical perspectives, oscillators, stochastics, chaos, candlesticks, point and figure, interest rate and money supply dynamics etc etc. About a year ago CNBC had a group of mildly bullish gold analysts on for about 5 minutes, and one of them averred that if gold were to break 1300, there was a “vacuum” in place that would have the price over 1400 very quickly. Vacuum! got me thinking vapors, air pressures, densities—Jumpin Jack Flash—does gold behave like a Gas!!!
    Gas chromatographs aside, I can’t recall the analysts name but he was correct. The slope is steepening and gold is breaking out of its months old channel. A continued deterioration of the dollar and the momentum traders jumping on board could really scare the shorts and the fun would begin.

  • ExNav October 6, 2010, 4:37 am

    My favorite gold bear over the years has been Jon Nadler of Kitco i do believe. Over the last decade I haven’t heard him say one positive thing about gold. It’s always over priced, the demand isn’t there or it’s going to correct but never a buy. Heard him on Bloomberg radio last week saying fair market price for gold was $800, The day he says gold is going to the moon i’ll be selling.

    • Robert October 6, 2010, 6:02 pm

      +1 on Nadler…

      He obsesses on Gold’s primary use (jewelry) only from the last 50 years as the basis of his premise…

      “Jewelry demand is down, and investment demand is the ONLY thing driving Gold higher, therefore it is doomed to crash and burn”

      His theory misses several important considerations:

      1) American and European Jewelry demand is only falling on 10k and 14k junk Gold products where the markups are obscene.

      2) Global Jewelry demand in NOT declining- it is merely shifting to higher purity products. The Indians and the Arabs in the UAE are cranking out (and selling the hell out of) 22K and 24K jewlery.

      3) Nadler misses the fact that high purity bullion products in Physical form are still locked in a very illiquid market- IE: physical purchasers are not turning back into sellers-in-force as prices rise- The derivatives traders are the only ones selling. This makes the physical market the dog, and the derivatives market the tail, and we all know that the tail can only wag the dog until the dog decides it has had enough.

      Personally, I think Nadler is a shill- he has some secret desire to be hired as a Gold Analyst by GS or JPM….

  • DG October 6, 2010, 4:26 am

    I was going to rip on Gartman, but alas, too late. That quote above is Sept 29. Ooops.
    Greenspan was dissing internet stocks in 1996, FYI.

    Regarding Prechter, he is a very thoughtful, logical man. His interview with Pulplava was great late Summer 2010. He makes a great deal of sense. He just loses me when he states his solution to avoiding economic asset deflation by investing in US govt debt. I’d rather own gum balls (kidding). They do have value and they cost something to produce. Seriously. Does anyone really think they will be compensated fairly with treasuries, social security, medicare, or their govt pension (no, no, no, what wait a minute, there!- you owe me!…..only on step one of seven on death and dying- denial)?
    It is a Ponzi. Madoff’s clients all received returns up until they didn’t.
    Once again, the PMs rallied under the cover of rallying equities. Why own gold? Look at stocks!! Just more future buyers delayed.

  • mark j October 6, 2010, 4:20 am

    Sorry Rick. That was an error that could have been avoided.

  • mark j October 6, 2010, 3:22 am

    In the beginning…. Robert Prechter’s EW fantasy on gold price of sub 200 in mid 99′ thru Feb. of 03′.

    He maybe the Albert Eistein of Elliot Wave Theory in other markets, but when it comes to gold….he’s king of the […. “top calling” _______s].

    &&&&&&

    I’ve censored your ad hominem attack. For the record, and notwithstanding Prechter’s having missed the boat on gold, he has my utmost respect for reasons that I have made clear numerous times in this forum and elsewhere. RA

    • Cameroni October 6, 2010, 6:51 am

      Agreed. I too have a tremendous respect for Robert Prechter and have found most of his theory sound and well thought out. We are living in a period of rapid changes and no single theory can compensate for the thousands of variables being sent our way each day though. Bob has proposed one of the best overall roadmaps that I know of given all that is now occuring however we still need to think for ourselves on a day by day basis.

  • TC October 6, 2010, 2:57 am

    So the last deflationist is now an inflationist?

    • Rick Ackerman October 6, 2010, 3:50 am

      Your question doesn’t make sense, but whatever you intended, I’m sure the answer can be found in my recent commentaries. Please check the archive if you’re a subscriber.

  • SDavid October 6, 2010, 1:07 am

    Apologies.

    I should have included Gartman’s most recent comment to my initial post.

    “Gold is not just overbought; it is hyper-overbought.”

  • SDavid October 6, 2010, 12:51 am

    “If you’d like to help us name names, please post them in the Rick’s Picks forum, along with a appropriate quotes from the horses’ mouths dissing gold and silver.”

    You mean aside from Gartman?