Politics as Usual — or Is It Revolution?

(Because it drew such a heavy response in the forum, the commentary below was originally scheduled to run on Wednesday for a second consecutive day.  However, I went with a market-related commentary instead because of the large moves in bullion and the broad averages that had occurred the day before. RA

Here in Colorado, it’s especially difficult to escape the vitriol and mudslinging of Campaign 2010. The closely watched Senatorial race between Democrat Michael Bennett and Republican Ken Buck has attracted a torrent of out-of-state money, and it sometimes seems as though all of it, a reported $750,000 a day, is being used to finance the attack ads that have come to dominate the local airwaves. Elsewhere in the country, it’s the same unpretty story — no doubt in part because Democratic candidates would rather not talk about, much less defend, President Obama’s heavy-handed initiatives. Thus, in the last few days alone do we find one Republican smeared with the charge of rape, and another, Rand Paul, accused of having tied up a woman 30 years ago and commanding her to worship a false idol. If you’ve been following the news, you know we didn’t make this up. Even the President got into the suppurating spirit of things recently, accusing the U.S. Chamber of Commerce of taking foreign money to back right-leaning candidates.  But even the New York Times wasn’t buying it — nor, apparently, was anyone else — and it now appears the mainstream news media is simply going to let the issue die before their Anointed One makes even more of a fool of himself. 

And yet, putting aside all of this toxic sludge, we find ourselves positively excited about the possibility that there is a revolution brewing and that actual political change may occur as a result of the election.  Yes, we know – it doesn’t much matter whether the country elects Republicans or Democrats, the long-term results will always be about the same.  But when we talk about revolution, it has less to do with changes in the political make-up of the House and Senate than with vastly larger changes taking shape in the hearts and minds of the electorate. For one, if conservative candidates romp, as seems likely, the mainstream news media (MSM) will have to face up to the reasons. Remember, it wasn’t too long ago that they were soft-peddling Obama’s line that he simply had not communicated his ideas with sufficient clarity. And before that, they carried his water with the argument that many Americans were not ready to accept a black man as president. Baloney. Now they may have to acknowledge a simpler truth — that Obama’s ideas are repugnant to most voters.  Also likely to go down in flames is the untested notion that Tea Partiers are a bunch of right-wing racists.

 ‘Abolish the Fed’

If change is indeed in the air, one of the most intriguing possibilities we’ve heard so far is a plan from Gary North to do away with Federal Reserve. Although we’ve had our differences with Gary in the past on the issue of inflation vs. deflation, we have no problem deferring to him where the Fed is concerned.  He is an expert’s expert on the subject, and in arguing to abolish the central bank, his heart is in the right place.  Here is a link  to his essay, which is too detailed and subtly nuanced for us to do it justice here. Suffice it to say, North has come up with a brilliant incentive that could mobilize voters on the issue. His plan would require the Treasury to sell all of the gold held by the U.S. Government to its true owners, the American people, at a price of $42.22 an ounce.  Dare we suggest that, as the issue gathers steam and plays out in the press, voters might actually come to understand why it is in their best interest to dissolve the Federal Reserve System?  Actually, even now, more than a few tea Partiers undoubtedly understand that the Fed exists, as North puts it, to defend the interests of a cartel of large banks. Exactly how the central bank does this is obscured by myriad layers of deliberate obfuscation, including Fed-speak by Bernanke and his predecessors, but also and most crucially by a news media too stupid and lazy to investigate and present the facts.  Let the newsrooms beware: the lynch mob is just as angry with those who report the news as it is with those who make it.  If the news media continue to play dumb even as more and more voters come to understand and believe that the Fed does indeed steal from the poor to support the rich, revolution’s first fusillade in November is going to turn into cannon and mortar fire in the years ahead.

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  • Steve October 22, 2010, 4:53 pm

    F.Beard,

    In the case of american democracy it is voluntary for all except the Africans. It has been so since 1867. This voluntary political choice is not without its pressures, like Nash’s Non Co-operative Game Theory. The federal government began to defund the Republic and fund democracy with 10 Stat. 146 in 1851 when the progressives controlled congress by majority.

    As for Roman money, look at Rome, it failed; only to try again here in the U.S.

    Ignoring the history of money is very dangerous. PM has been here for along time, 5000 years. Right now a 1981 ‘copper’ is worth more than 1 cent embased high treason.

    Study money and find puka shells, dentillium, tally sticks. Just do the homework to find a mean truth. I wish you were a Lawyer, a practicer of Law, and not a twister of truth – atturn ey. That simple distinction could change the world.

    I have always just considered myself someone seeking truth, no matter who told it. To that end I have no party affiliation now that I’ve grown up. My leaning is toward the theory a Man’s home is his castle. What he does there is his business. On the other hand, what is done in public is my business under Individual Rights, publicly secured. So drink all you want in your own home. Take it on the Public Right of Way and kill – that act is voluntary acceptance of terminal punishment. We went wrong when we allowed the legislative drunks to kill, and not be punished according to their crime, can I say Teddy?

    I believe what is understood here is propaganda about force. The People are FORCE, but; cowards today.
    Madison arguing for a strong central government said something like this; Why fear a strong federal government when at any time we can bring forth 500,000 armed men to bring down tyranny. Today people hide behind words like Force because they will not stand against tyranny united. We are the Force. We are the Power. We are the Authority. Why are you afraid, when the government, and the legislature should be afraid? Guess why the American Public does not know that to be a Citizen they must be armed, and prepared to defend the Nation. If there is any one thing wrong here it is misplaced fear, that belongs in the hearts of the legislature. Ask the biggest tyrants in congress, they are the biggest supporters of disarming, and the worst about telling the truth about the obligation of Citizenship.

    • F. Beard October 22, 2010, 7:37 pm

      As for Roman money, look at Rome, it failed; only to try again here in the U.S. Steve

      I am no defender of Rome but it lasted far longer than the US has existed so far even if one excludes the Eastern Empire which lasted till the Fall of Constantinople. And it was the Roman Republic that used cheap legal tender fiat; the Empire used gold.

      We are the Force. We are the Power. We are the Authority. Steve

      Sure. And if the current government is replaced, will you FORCE others to use gold and silver for their taxes? And if that causes a nationwide economic calamity will you admit you are wrong and repent?

      If you are a truth seeker then consider this with regard to separate government and private money supplies:

      Matthew 22:16-22

  • F. Beard October 22, 2010, 1:45 pm

    @Steve,

    I am not a lawyer but I understand that government is FORCE and the private sector is VOLUNTARY cooperation.

    So, the backing of government money is force (taxation). What need then for any commodity backing unless it is to grant PRIVATE interests special privileges? The Romans did well with cheap copper and bronze monies. The Spartans used iron as money.

    The backing of private monies is whatever the free market will voluntarily accept. Logically, private money CANNOT be backed by force (taxation) else it is not a truly private (voluntary) money.

    If you are not a libertarian then go ahead and lobby for your favourite money to be granted legal tender status.
    But as for libertarians, that would be pure hypocrisy.

    But hey, gold and silver could be used as private monies. Would they succeed? Sure, for a while. But eventually, non-PM, non-usury forms of money such as common stock would prevail. Gold and silver based monies would be reduced to a niche market, I would bet.

  • F. Beard October 22, 2010, 3:36 am

    So what is the PROBLEM ? Is it only paying TAXES, then; one needs to know who there are, where they are, and what form of law governs their action. Steve

    Fine then let’s make them payable in cow hides. Oops can’t do that since it would make us all go to those who had cow hides so we can pay our taxes. That would be quite a boon for slaughterhouses, eh? Instead of just the commodity value of cowhides they would now have a monetary value as well maybe much more than their commodity value. And I suppose we would have quite a boom in cattle raising too.

    The same reasoning applies to gold and silver or any other commodity. The economy (and environment) would be distorted as people grew or mined the chosen monetary commodity merely to use it as money.

    Money is money and commodities are commodities. To use a commodity as money is to destroy its use as a commodity and inflate the money supply. To melt down a commodity coin for use as a commodity is to deflate the money supply. Thus commodity monies are silly.

    The US Government has a sovereign right to issue debt and interest free United States Notes. At most they would consist of paper but more likely as cheap book-keeping entries. If the government money was only legal tender for government debts, then any over issue would only affect government money holders. Private money holders would be unaffected.

    There is no libertarian objection to folks using gold, silver or whatever as PRIVATE monies. But any attempt to force us to pay our taxes in someone’s favourite commodity should be strongly resisted by libertarians. It is bad enough to be under government tyranny; it would be worse to be under both government tyranny and the ridiculous limitations of commodity money.

    • Steve October 22, 2010, 6:54 am

      Sovereign Right.

      Now please explain in linear logic how a entity created by the contract of a few, with highly limited powers, is sovereign, constitution for the united States of America A.D. 1787. The federal contract constitution binds only the voluntary persons who accept the benefit of Public Trust, no one else, very simple contract Law. From there the several States are taxed constitutionally, and it is up to the States to tax state Citizens, and send the revenue for the defense of the state, to erect forts, magazines, and needful buildings, the only venue for police powers in the federal government (I’ll give you counterfeiting, but; not Commerce because of the criminal abuse of congress).

      I will not discuss the internal workings of corporatism in this writing, say INTERNAL

      Sovereign Right of the Federal Government exists only at one point in time, only on one plane of the universe. Read Article I, sec. 8, cls. 17; “To exercise exclusive Legislation over such District, as may, by the Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful buildings.” Later Guano Islands were added to the list of sovereign powers/venues. There is a second sovereignty listed contractually at Article IV, sec. 3, cls. 2; “The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States. . .”. Please watch this property Thing, and that the creator makes his property, or takes his property by some rule.

      At best the legitimate Federal Government in bound by Public Trust and represents the Sovereigns in Common – the Individual Rights of Man declared July 4th 1776. Accepted doctrine states that beneficial use of something creates a debt (to perform) implying trust, a.k.a. The Clearfield Trust Doctrine 1936. Something created is never Sovereign. There is only one Sovereign, his name unspeakable by the vocal cords of Man. In turn the Sovereign granted limited sovereignty to Aw-Dawm, who is Sovereign on Earth, and over governments. The Covenant of Abraham went further as a Blind Contract that cannot be Consented to alienation, but; a Man may assent to Sin, or breach of Blind Contract. No power exists that did not first exist in me as Sovereign, and by Blind Endowment via the Covenant of Abraham. The Federal Government is created inferior, and highly limited in regard to Aw-dawmic People who are not engaged in Sin. The inferior created government cannot destroy the Rights of the Creator.

      Now it gets fun. Anyone can assent to Sin, and assent to Lawlessness – Liberty to Sin IS free will/choice. I am sovereign by Blind Covenant Endowment from the only Sovereign. As Sovereign over the Earth I am superior to all inferior representations of sovereignty. I am sovereign over any who assent to enfranchisement to federal citizenship instead of Implied Citizenship, an Authority far more ancient, and; antecedent to the states, which pre-exist the Federal State.

      There is a clear point when an inferior highly limited body becomes limited sovereign. That point is when the Federal Government is within the district, territorially, and over subjects/property created by legislative act, or administrative will. The federal union of states (created corporately A.D. 1872) is sovereign over inferior federal citizens domiciled in Washington city, district of Columbia, but; never superior to the unlimited Sovereign in Common People who’s Authority granted few powers to an inferior federal government. Watch my use of Superior, and inferior mid-sentence letters denoting “Proper”, and “improper” entities.

      Janet Reno, Bill Clinton, George Bush said they were Sovereign, but; at best they are limited sovereigns over legislative peons created by the alleged 14th amendment under the tyrannical abuse of Northern Senate Rebellion in A.D. 1867 in legislating what is commonly known as the Reconstruction Act of 1867. These U.S. inferior highly limited citizens are domiciled in the district (can you get it?), and governed under the Buck Act, and/or interstate compact territorially (can you dig it?).

      You are right about one thing F.Beard; voluntary use of frn, assent to the federal union of states, refusal to obey United States Statute I, registering to the military voter scam, assenting to corporate enfranchisee character doing resident business territorially Declares to the World that that person was created by a superior legislative act of a body in Full Blown Rebellion, Answer to Mr. Pratt by justices Nelson and Strong, Published in the Oregonian 1851, in regard to Amos H. Short v. Francis Ertimager 5 Opin. 354, 525 Ore. s.Ct, cert. denied 1852 “. . .in rebellion. . .”, utterly null and void.”

      I’ll give you the linear progression:

      Sovereign
      who Created the Laws of Nature
      Unlimited sovereign Aw-dawmic People
      Unlimited Sovereign in Common over the states, and Federal Government
      highly limited sovereign territorial government over 14th amend. U.S. citizen slaves

      again

      Creator of the Laws of Nature
      Awdawmic Man
      Creator of the Federal Government
      inferior highly limited artificial persons
      creator of illegitimate legislation
      creator of inferior persons
      creator of lies, sin, and propaganda

      The pecking order. All can abolish the one in order below them in time, space, and plane.

      The only place in time, space, and plane wherein a government is sovereign is when it creates a person, which person it can uncreate, and only under highly limited powers in the district, territory, guano island, magazines, forts, ship Yards. Which fact makes the congress a body in rebellion, in abuse of power, malfeasant, and misfeasant.

      When someone says their government is Sovereign it is an admission of Sin, assent to Lawlessness against the Covenant that cannot be voided in Consent because the Covenant is a Blind Covenant not earned by the Awdawmic People. The Federal Government can be abolished, but; my Sovereignty cannot be abolished except by the G-d of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. I can assent to Sin, and assent to Sinners, but; I cannot consent to alienate That Blind Covenant for which I am unworthy. Like it or not I am Sovereign, and I cannot change that except to ignore reality, or to lie my way into Sin.

      Simple admission under Roman Civil Law adhesion, or implied contract – U.S. citizen domiciled within the district as a legislative creation of the congress’s rebellion ? Live on a reservation, fort, magazine, ship-Yard, or Guano Island ? Make voluntary ‘use’ of federal reserve notes ? Voluntarily breathe clean air under the Clean Air Acts of Congress ? Work for a corporate person created under the territorial powers of congress, or by the district ? You are right about Superior, and inferior, because the federal union of states, under those admissions, is sovereign creator of your artificial person because of appearing Sin against the Natural Sovereign Man. The Sovereign made me sovereign, and I am Sovereign over a highly limited trust government allowed to sovereignly represent my Sovereignty, as I, sovereign, recognize the Sovereign that Created me, unless I am a legislative sovereign created by the Sovereign rebellion of the Senate, who can never be sovereign over the Sovereigns in Common, which sovereignty was created by the One and Only Sovereign who Created the Laws of Nature, which will seek its means in all markets, even the flesh market of slavery of the current congressional rebellion.

    • Steve October 22, 2010, 7:28 am

      On the topic of Cow Hides. Under contract you are correct that cow hides are money if contracted to. The problem is that the contract for a Sovereign in Common constitutionally is gold and silver which has been money for 5000 years at least. The value of 1 oz of silver is a constant based upon the labor of a man for a day. Life and discovery, lucky 49er, skew things for a while – get over it.

      Corporate internal monetary policy is, that the tally of federal reserve notes offsets the value of the labor of a slave owing to his master/creator, established by the flesh markets – flesh credit. I believe this is the World Currency Fiat Markets. All 14th amendment citizens must pay, by contract, the tally in fiat fraud misrepresentation of the status of federal internal citizenship via federal reserve note tally. By contract the federal citizen must open his books so that the lord may inquire so as to know how much can be loaned – all under violation of the Interstate Commerce Clause should criminal, or civil complaint issue ( yes, the I.R.S. will prosecute under Interstate Commerce via Obamacare). Corporate residents of the district are engaged in interstate commerce resident (doing business) over the federal territorial district of WA, OH, CO etc. & etc. etc. Watch the words the bad guys use “in”, “within”, “over”, etc. & etc. etc. – the words mean different things.

      Your contract please; by admission, omission, adhesion, implied, express, oppressed, forced, or voluntary in use=debt=trust. Those who Created the Federal Government; the several State owes in Specie Money. Created legislatively by corporate act, or rebellion of congress, assent to Sin and Lawlessness, make ‘use’ of federal reserve notes, that contracts says your legal tender is fiat fraud paid directly to the creator congress via agent/agency internally. It has only been that way for what, 70 years ?

      As to the Money in circulation the following is true:

      Specie for the Sovereign in Common.

      United States Notes, called Lincoln Greenbacks, still in circulation. I have a 100 Note from the Government and it has nothing to do with the Federal Reserve, except they will confiscate them. This is Civil War Debt Instruments that have not been cleared by extinguishment yet.

      Federal Reserve Notes, for the Sin of congress, and those artificial persons under the 14th amendment, internal, domiciled within the District, or territorial, doing business as residents over a several State, on one of the military zones OK, CO, ID, OH, FL, CA, over the several States. Did I repeat, repeat, repeat my self?

      It is all contract, and breach of contract, and propaganda about contract, and propaganda about breach of contract. JUROR – By ‘good’ I have to do it, and I don’t care about the Law, I’m going to ‘good durn’ make sure he sins with me, even if he is trying to be honest.

      Just obey the contract that binds you – too bad there is a thing called silent judicial notice wherein the judge ‘judges’ your space, plane, time, and Character and does not tell about Roman Civil Law, or assent to corporate Sin. Just because someone says a highly limited governmental form is Sovereign does not make it so, except to those who believe the lie. Even Janet Reno lied, and got the courts to say that the federal union of states was Sovereign, and Immune over its 14th amendment legislative created federal citizen/slaves. There is that Sovereign/sovereign thing again.

      Tell a lie enough times and it will be believed – that was a Nazi thought – yes !

  • F. Beard October 21, 2010, 10:38 pm

    Better, perhaps, to drastically reduce The Government’s need for revenues than to remove Government’s control over the form those revenues take. RA

    So can gold make it in a truly free market in money creation or does it require government privilege? Shall we battle over the form of tyranny or shall we seek to eliminate it? Shall we return to a tried and rejected government gold standard or shall we at least allow the possibility of more civilised private monies?

    As for the need for large government expenditure, that arose from the Great Depression which the bankers and the Fed caused. As we allow genuine capitalism (including in private money creation) then the need for socialism should decrease, should it not?

    As for yak butter and balls of string, I said “Taxes should ONLY be collected in government money so as not to favor any particular private money or class of monies”. Neither yak herders nor string makers nor possessors of gold or silver should be given the government privilege of having their particular possessions accepted as taxes.

    It boils down to this, if the government returns to a gold standard then those who own gold will reap a windfall. Congratulations. However, if the government gets smart about money (and genuine capitalism) then gold will fall to its mere commodity value.

    • Steve October 21, 2010, 11:45 pm

      What gold standard ? Show me Missouri ! I hear it all the time, and I know the executive F.D.R. gold Dollar in High Treason, but; just show me the Legislative Act that overturns The Coinage Act of 1792. It sure didn’t happen in 1985 with that Act under Reagan.

      No wonder we are in trouble, when we collectively don’t know our ass from a hole in the ground, citing that ole’ Navy Seal again.

      We are up the creek before we start when we exhibit a total disregard for the history of money, and the history of executive abuses.

      I cannot make it more clear. The word DOLLAR is defined for the several States as a Coin struck in silver Specie Money, 361 4/16th fine silver, being Legal Tender. An Eagle is a gold Coin valued in DOLLAR silver Specie Coin. That is also 413 grains 90% coin silver. (can the Proper Noun be understood?).

      There is no Gold Standard, only an executive usurpation by F.D.R. in 1933. That is administrative money, not Lawful Money.

      In regard to taxation, and payment in Coin there is a famous case out of Oregon on tax and Coin, since most don’t care I’m not going to look it up again. Any Man out there can contract in Gold, or Bull Shit if they want to. Money is a matter of contract, silver Specie Coin quite another thing. So what is the PROBLEM ? Is it only paying TAXES, then; one needs to know who there are, where they are, and what form of law governs their action.

  • gary leibowitz October 21, 2010, 7:02 pm

    No change. Just a venting or frustration barometer. Without real campaign reform it’s business as usual.
    New faces, new ideas, but once in office watch the self-preservation mechanism take hold.

    Take away graft and prevent any ex-potiticain from holding a job that benefited from his/her office decisions.

  • F. Beard October 21, 2010, 6:07 pm

    “The government does have the right to establish the form of money that citizens must use to pay their taxes. The government should limit itself to a statement regarding the weight and fineness of the tax coins. If private enterprise produces coins that meet these standards, the government must accept such coins as valid for the payment of taxes. The government lawfully controls the form of taxation; but it should not have any power to monopolize the production of coins. Governments have always asserted this authority, and they have always done so to the detriment of liberty.” Gary North from http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north895.html

    You do see what is going on here, don’t you Rick? North would have the government require or accept taxes in gold. That is clearly government privilege for a class of monies (precious metals). There are forms of private money such as common stock and Mike Rozeff’s “Wal-Mart Money” that require neither gold or usury. Those who used non-PM forms of money would be REQUIRED to possess or buy precious metals to pay their taxes. And North dares speak of liberty?

    Taxes should ONLY be collected in government money so as not to favor any particular private money or class of monies. And government money should only be legal tender for government debt (taxes and fees) not private ones.

    Having the government accept one’s money for taxes is an old trick of the bankers to add value to their money. If North claims to be a libertarian then he is a hypocrite.

    • Rick Ackerman October 21, 2010, 10:14 pm

      Better, perhaps, to drastically reduce The Government’s need for revenues than to remove Government’s control over the form those revenues take. If it were up to the taxpayers, the U.S. could wind up with vast storehouses of yak butter and balls of string, a destitute victim of Gresham’s Law.

  • JohnJay October 21, 2010, 5:13 pm

    Guys, anyway you slice it, the US of A is in for some extended hard times for the average citizen.
    The protest movement was there back in the 60’s with millions of young boomers. But due to some untimely political assassinations, the up and coming leaders of the left and right were liquidated, how unlucky!
    If the Dollar goes Weimar, I’m in for hard times too.
    I hope we muddle through long enough for the CIA to start dueling warlords in China to get us off the hook.
    Great Britain is where we are headed otherwise, massive social spending cuts, one aircraft carrier with no planes and four old Trident subs for defense.
    I have no answers, the problem may very well be insoluble.

    • F. Beard October 21, 2010, 8:45 pm

      I have no answers, the problem may very well be insoluble. JohnJay

      The problem is solvable:

      1) Bailout the victims of the current system with new, debt and interest free legal tender fiat, United States Notes. Every US adult, borrowers and savers alike, would receive an equal distribution.

      2) Implement genuine reform after the debt has been cleared.
      a) Government money should ONLY be legal tender for government (taxes and fees) not private debt.
      b) Private monies should ONLY be good for private debts not government ones.

      Once we start practising genuine capitalism in the US then we should start attracting genuine capital here, particularly human talent.

  • Benjamin October 21, 2010, 5:08 pm

    “The ruling class will never willingly stray from the Keynsian model and fiat, as it is what secures their control. IT’LL never happen.”

    True, they won’t, but their minds are not yours and mine. Too, everyone has a price. I wonder what theirs would be…

    • Benjamin October 21, 2010, 5:10 pm

      That was from/at rmsimc, btw… Thought I hit the reply, but I didn’t.

  • rmsimc October 21, 2010, 4:00 pm

    I can’t understand this fascination with the protests in France. We all can (should) acknowledge that promises have been made that can never be kept. If the populous can not accept something as relatively innocuous as raising the retirement age from 60 to 62 [in France], then how can we ever expect to address the considerable structural problems that are now coming home to roost? The COLA has been frozen for the second time in three years and what do the pols do? They rush out to send $250 checks to our seniors immediately before the mid-terms (coincidental timing for sure). Again, if we can’t even accept a one-year freeze on benefits, then how…?

    The ruling class will never willingly stray from the Keynsian model and fiat, as it is what secures their control. It’ll never happen. Short of a flat-out revolution, none of the elite ruling class will make any material change to our situation. Any substantive change must occur from the bottom-up…through the mobilization of clear-headed, grassroots efforts that led to the Tea Party movement. Most of the ideas I read here are sound and meaningful; but the reality is that nothing substantive will be implemented without SERIOUS CONFLICT. This is unfortunate but this is also true.

    By way of pontification: Why don’t we pay all politicians in T-bills? Lets make them eat their own cooking. Yea, I know, ain’t gonna happen. Whats more likely is that they are going to pass a law requiring that our 401K/IRA savings be held in the same. And don’t for a minute think that confiscation is off the table. I’m not saying that it will come to pass; rather, pointing out the need to be aware of their ultimate agenda. This is why our interaction through web sites such as Rick’s is sooo important. Its through these communities that we can work to educate and ultimately mobilize the resistance to this imbedded tyranny. I too am for peaceful change, but these times remind me of another quote by one of our founders:

    “From time to time, the tree of Liberty must be fertilized with the blood of both tyrants and patriots.”
    –Thom. Jefferson

    • Larry October 21, 2010, 4:22 pm

      “Why don’t we pay all politicians in T-bills?”

      I like this. And dollar coins, too.

    • redwilldanaher October 21, 2010, 4:49 pm

      A few observations re: the protests in France. Agreed, there’s a lot of irony to them with the inculcated turning out to demand that the nanny state deliver on their promises etc, but I think the fascination for most comes from the French refusing to choke it all down while wanna-be tough guy Americans are at home “feeling sleepy, very sleepy” as they swallow Unilever’s heart-failure inducing “dairy product” scoop by scoop while watching STATE TV. Like most I appreciate the Jefferson quote but without HUGE numbers there is no chance of success that way. BTW, when have the real structural issues ever been addressed? Leads right back to your Keynes/fiat/elites…

  • Zach October 21, 2010, 2:22 pm

    I for one don’t understand what’s so difficult about protesting peacefully? Why waste time in the streets protesting and waving a worthless banner when the drivebys won’t give you a second glance. Voting is done with your pocketbook. Always has been and always will be. A simple protest would be banning together to not pay mortgages in unison for an alloted amount of time. Another protest would be to withdraw from the banking system in the form of cash or precious metals. If our problems are stemming from poorly managed/ overtly oppressive banking, we need to attack that problem from the bottom up, and as I still see it, together we are the base of this system and as such carry the power take it off at the knees if we so choose. Obviously we need to grab the wheel and steer the ship that is sailing directly into the rocks as our captain and crew are voting with their own pocketbook in mind and thus are unable to see the forest for the trees. When will we get to vote on these issues directly?? ? Representative government is not needed in this day and age of technology. We have the ability to allow all to vote on any and every issue individually through the use of the internet. Fraud can be minimized greatly and costs of endless entitlements and overpay will be put to real use.

    • Benjamin October 21, 2010, 3:00 pm

      “Representative government is not needed in this day and age of technology.”

      I’ve read this argument before, but not in a good long while (back in the early 1990s). Still, something like that tends to stick in one’s mind over the years, so to it I say..

      A technological mob is still a mob. We have too much voting today, and the idea of internet as government only caters to the idea that Liberty is democracy, bringing with it the usual outcomes.

  • redwilldanaher October 21, 2010, 1:09 pm

    JohnJ, it’s no problemo! First bury your debts and obligations concerns within BAC and then bury BAC a la Bear and Lehman. That should take care of a lot of the problems. Then just change the accounting rules, move to mark-t0-fantasy cubed, “extend and pretend 7”, and whatever is left over move “off balance sheet.” Send out the media shills and hacks that you own to talk about what a masterful job you did in managing the next crisis so that it wasn’t far worse. Keep borrowing from an increasingly powerful asian country that you’re making more of an enemy day by day and from another declining one that has nearly a 200% debt ratio. When it looks unsustainable and the jig is really up start a few wars and frame your lenders and their allies. Not only does that help with debt “forgiveness” but it gets the MIC humming again, hopefully like the gold old days of Vietnam. I think you’re underestimating a great source of wealth for us in healthcare. That’s one of the keys. We’re going to create a ton of wealth by caring for each other. I know that you’re likely to think that all of us caring for each other really doesn’t create wealth but you have to remember that things having to “make sense” is an antiquated notion. CNBC says that healthcare will be a huge source of wealth creation. What more do you need to know? And whatever problems are left we’ll simply smartphone our way around ’em. If there isn’t already there soon will be an app for that.

    • Rick Ackerman October 21, 2010, 5:02 pm

      Red Will, CNBC overlooked a potentially huge source of wealth creation: nail salons. They are virtually EVERYWHERE, as I am sure you’ve noticed– more ubiquitous, even, than Starbucks. All that needs to happen to tap into the vast, wealth-creating service(s) they provide is a small shift in public sentiment — a shift that fully appreciates how much we stand to gain collectively when we are all doing each other’s nails. Hair would come next.

    • Benjamin October 21, 2010, 5:20 pm

      Rick,

      I was going to say to red that things couldn’t get any more insane than the health care and phone(y) app “economy”, but…

      Hair and nails. Oh, joy. And hey, those could be regulated as medical treatments, can’t they? Sure they can. Therefore, all those poor people in inner-city neighborhoods (where nail salons tend multiply more than rabbits!) wouldn’t be able to get them at the current cut-throat market prices. Never mind that would be because they were now insurable offenses… It’s true!

      Again I say… is this what we’re up against? Is this kind of reasoning something we can’t defeat with a relative ease?

      If so, then maybe we shouldn’t be allowed to have scissors and other sharp things… 🙂

    • redwilldanaher October 21, 2010, 6:53 pm

      Rick, truly salient points as always! You’ve proved once again, at least to me, why this is your forum and we’re all just posting in it!

    • mario cavolo October 21, 2010, 8:09 pm

      RWD and Rick,

      This point strikes exactly at the merchant street lifestyle in China/Asia. My haircut with a shampoo AND a few minutes of shoulder massage is three bucks… hair and nail salons and street shoe polishers and food vendors of all sorts are all out there doing business with each other…pop off the subway, grab a steamed bun or a flat bread with a fried egg on the street or your shoes polished for half a buck on the way to work…people walking around with suitcases of CDs, DVDs, socks, underwear, hats, trinkets, fresh lemonade, teas, laying them out at the subway stops or wherever people are gathering…classic street market stuff you can imagine in many places across the world, but not so common in the U.S….and by the way, the big issues with this way of life is that many of the street merchants aren’t licensed and so not paying taxes, and that’s why the cops chase them away, not cuz their evil people doing bad things…. honestly, its inspiring to see relatively poor people diligently and entrepreneurially figuring out what they can do to make a buck to feed their families…

      Cheers, Mario

  • JohnJay October 21, 2010, 6:03 am

    There will very likely be a Populist revolution at some point in the future.
    However, we are still left with an unpayable national debt, unpayable government pension obligations, a nebulous residential and commercial mortgage market,
    a gutted industrial and tax base, a hostile and unsympathetic Chinese empire, an unaffordable health insurance situation for an aging and infirm population,
    that is just for starters.
    That’s a tear down and start over, not a remodel.
    I fear the worst will come to pass before this is all over.
    Vae Victus comes to mind.

    • Steve October 21, 2010, 7:50 am

      What is happening in the streets of France, and with the students ? Can it, will it, should it happen here ? We ate the lie of retiring at 62, now 67, and we do nothing. What does it take for a popular revolt ? (ya; I know, none of you on this forum plan on using SSA welfare at 67)

      What leads JohnJay to believe the american population is not to0 fat, not to0 lazy, and not to0 uneducated to revolt against tyranny? (it has only been ongoing for 100+ years(1861-1867), though going slowly by infringement)

      Can we just say NO, and peacefully protest? And what are we to do when the fed brings the thugs and provocateurs into the crowd to fulfill the feds needs in alphabet soup agencies, black as coal?

    • Benjamin October 21, 2010, 4:14 pm

      “And what are we to do when the fed brings the thugs and provocateurs into the crowd to fulfill the feds needs in alphabet soup agencies, black as coal?”

      Not slamming, just going to raise some points in debate…

      It’s not like Man vs the entire insect kingdom, billlions to the one. So just take aim and fire at the “powerful” minority’s soldiers. And speaking of fire, the black ninja suits aren’t immune to a good ol’ fashioned molotov cocktail. Or one of the many flamethrowers that _kids_ are making, these days.

      But before one goes revolutionary, here’s an example of what state power is today…

      Recently, the FDA attacked the self-medicating/OTC market by sending out not goons with guns but threatening letters to some online sites that sell home chelation treatments. Letters. To sites that are probably already back in biz under a different name.

      Heck, back in the heyday of IRS power and abuse, folks wouldn’t even get that before the army of guns showed up at their door. Now it’s down to threatening letters. I’m sorry. Make that angry, threatening letters.
      So instead of shaking in my boots, I’m laughing!

      Meanwhile, over in Iceland, I read that several of their leaders had to run from an angry mob of some 2,000 people, lead by… some of the leaders who have already had enough of the “austerity” program. But that’s Iceland, and Europe in general. Things are quite a bit different over there. They have a much larger govt employee sector, for one. The politics over there have traditionally been more openly authoritarian. It’s also been more accepted, until recently.

      Give it time, and the same will happen in the U.S. And there’s not much the goons can do about it, because there’s far more of us than there are of them. And who’s to say some of them won’t turn face and go to our side? Brainwashing? But how can anyone say with certainty that brainwashing works? Especially since authority is down to only writting mean letters to some internet companies. How much can they afford to spend, money and time-wise, on the re-enforcing of that training and mental programming?

      Peaceful, if angry and meaningful protest is going to win in the end. So too would violent insurgency, but that much is not needed. Besides, few are the number who want power so badly to engage in it; often, throughout history, it is the violent insurgency that makes no meaningful changes. We should be glad the majority is no mood to revolt in that way, just as we should be glad to know that state power is failing.

      But even if I get killed by agents with guns, I know they won’t win. So I don’t fear them. I have more pressing and important matters to attend to 🙂