U.S. Stocks Waft Blithely Above Looming Collapse

Who needs a Plunge Protection Team when there’s enough funny money around, apparently, to keep stocks buoyant no matter what kind of mayhem is shaking the real world?  Last week was that kind of week. And Friday that kind of day, each catastrophic event overshadowing the last.  Through it all, an obscenely glutted, seemingly imperturbable Wall Street barely even flinched.  The day’s first big news concerned revelations that Greece may effectively have defaulted when it accepted the terms of yet one more economy-crushing bailout earlier in the week. Did they actually default?  No matter. By mid-day, it was time to move on:  A lethal rampage literally exploded in, of all places, Norway, superseding the troubles of Greece, along with scary sidebar stories concerning what might happen when growing jitters over the deteriorating financial condition of Spain and Italy mutate into panic, as seems all but inevitable.  Cue up the clips from Norway:  In downtown Oslo, an Oklahoma City-style explosion ripped apart a large office building in the heart of the downtown.  Shortly thereafter, a gunman dressed as a police officer reportedly opened fire on teenage campers on the tiny Norwegian island of Utoya. Islamic terrorism?  Perhaps not. Amidst reports that nearly 100 had been murdered, there was conflicting evidence about the identity of the killer, who may have been a young, ethnic Norwegian farmer. Regardless of who is responsible, it will go down as the most violent attack Norway has suffered since World War II.

By evening, however, it was the collapse of budget talks on Capitol Hill that topped the news, at least in the U.S.  Details were almost as sketchy as the news coming out of Oslo, although it would appear that House Speaker Boehner walked out on Mr. Obama because our soak-the-rich President couldn’t resist piling on just a few more taxes for good measure.  But stocks barely budged, and although the Dow Industrials were down 43 points, the broad averages actually closed higher on the day. We might have expected traders to show more fear toward the growing threat of a deflationary collapse in the U.S. and Europe.  Then again, maybe our handicapping is wrong. Although we rate the default threat no more likely to be realized than a Martian invasion, the fiscal package that is all but certain to emerge at the eleventh hour to avert America’s technical bankruptcy will be as potent a business-killer as Obama and his left-most supporters could possibly hope for. Are we being too harsh on them?  Although we stop short of believing, as some evidently do, that Obama and the radical left are trying to sabotage the U.S. economy in order to have it “rescued” by the New World Order, we wouldn’t put it past the politics of envy to try and sock it to all of the supposed fat cats who make $200k or more per year — and damn the cost to the economy.  Wall Street’s truly fat cats are of course above such trivial sums and concerns, but at some point the stock market is going to have to reckon with the fact that even the half-baked compromise Congress is about to expectorate will still be the most deflationary blow to the economy since the Crash of ’29.

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  • dennis July 30, 2011, 8:08 pm

    RA said: “By the way, since we’re talking about making bets today, I would wager that a rather large majority of Americans, if they know anything at all about social security, believe there is a trust fund with actual funds allocated in their individual names, bulging with the cash contributions they’ve made over the years, just waiting to be annuitized at age 65. ”

    It seems to me that Social Security is often portrayed in a way convenient to the argument about “big government” and the democratic “liberals” who are supposedly ruining the country. (the ruining of the country has in my opinion been a bipartisan, ‘right’/left’ effort, and in equal parts form ‘private’ sector fraud and ‘public’ sector incompetence– but I digress ). My understanding is that this is first year that the incoming funds from SS taxes will fall short of the outgoing payments. The trust fund as I undertsand was established in anticipation of this event and to protect the solvency of the program once this milestone has been reached. The problem (again, as I understand it) is that the fund has been raided and the “trust” in the ‘fund’ has been been replaced — that is, hard or at least electronic currrency representing the surplus or the savings of more than 2 trillion$$ has been replaced with Treasuries. One promise (Federal Reserve Notes) for another (Treasuries) , I suppose is one way to look at it.
    So we have had a program that has a) without question, prevented millions of elderly and sick people from descending into abject penury; and b) desigend rather well in terms of ensuring its ongoing solvency. The problem then is not with a ‘liberal’, ‘democratic’ entitlement ,the problem with those who have irresponsibly permitted raiding of the reserves. Can anyone honestly say the that responsibilty falls more on liberals and democrats than the you- know- who ‘others”.?
    Think unnecessary wars, the largest defense budgets in the history of the world; bank bailouts; medicaid prescription drug programs; legislation that rewards massive corporate tax evasion through accounting gimmicks, etc, etc. What if we just campaigned, for the sake of a good program, that we begin to convert the trust fund, now in the form of Treasuries (idle promises) into physical gold and silver, for he sake of ensuring its solvency? Or is that not the point? Meaning it isn the solvency of the system that is the real issue, but the fact that it is a ‘liberal enitlement” —objection to which is entirely in principle?

  • Eric July 26, 2011, 5:17 am

    Yes, statistics can be used to advance any cause….so the rich are paying a higher percentage of total tax revenues than the middle class……yup, guess that is true because the middle class can barely keep up their mortgage payments and essentials for the family. How about the statistic that shows the effective tax RATE for the rich is closer to 11% than the 30+ % we are told they are taxed at……..and then there are those corporations who have used the tax code to pay zero tax…..guess that’s fair to the middle class too……..as I understand the debt problem, it is too big to make even a dent in paying it off anyway, so let’s get the new tax code ready to implement after the currency collapses, but let’s make sure that in the future hedge fund managers making over say $12 million dollars a year for their hard work be taxed at greater than 15% because of the “carried interest” rule…..if the rich who have generated so many new jobs in this economy won’t be making a contribution to the good of the nation in the future, then perhaps they too will feel the hangman’s noose from a lamppost in Lower Manhattan…….the average laborer and service workers will be ready to take that step !

  • Jill July 26, 2011, 1:32 am

    Chris, people with ideologies always select the facts that agree with their ideology, and find some alternate explanation for facts that don’t agree. If you think that you and Rick are immune to this, well as they say “Denial ain’t just a river in Egypt.”

    • Chris T. July 27, 2011, 5:53 am

      People with intelligence look at facts, see if they are presented correctly, and then deduce the actual meaning of things from that. If that leads to an ideology, so be it. But it doesn’t make one.

      Anoyone who has ever read any Arthur Conan Doyle should know the proper direction to proceed.

  • Chris T. July 25, 2011, 10:47 pm

    Rick,

    thanks for that reply to Gary above.
    Especially the point about 1880/1890.
    Just what I was trying to say above, and the best demonstration of it.
    Unfortunately, people like Gary (prob. also Martin S.) see that time period in the distorted, cartoonish way portrayed today by the modern dogma, that which populism, starting with Teddy, and on to Wilson, has been force feeding us ever since.
    Never mind the statistics from that time!

  • HALLELUJAH!! July 25, 2011, 10:22 pm

    Hallelujah, I have found Jesus, due to you all.

    Jesus gold, gold jesus, that blesses us, all.

    I’ll sell my old car (got no home),

    rip my gold tooth fillings,

    do it all, hallelujah,

    the dollar is trash,

    thank you thank you all,

    I will buy buy buy buy gold,

    at zillion dollars an ounce, more more gold,

    as the dollar is trash, burn it, shove it, do it in– all!!!

  • Chris T. July 25, 2011, 10:21 pm

    A typical MS post, because you are so die-hard in your world-view:

    “Please show me where Obama has raised taxes! He actually extended the tax cuts for the rich – which no one but the top 1% were in favor of, and even many of them were willing to accept higher taxes (W.B. for one).”

    Rick was talking about “the agenda”, whether one of actual intent, or just accepting a known outcome.

    So, no “huh?” needed.

    I’m not top 1%, nowhere close, but I was also in favor?
    Why, because as a NORMAL fellow (economically speaking, that much self assessment is allowed 🙂 ), I LIKE being able to keep what I earn.
    Capital gain is no different, if one has some, one has earned it.
    You seem to dislike that type of income, perhaps becaues you believe its root-stock was unjustly earned, or just “inherited”?
    That would be your one percent.
    But what about the rest of us prudent normal people, who WORK for that root stock, and SAVE?

    It is people like us, who don’t want to fund all these projects, who get hurt, whereas the ones you mention, actually don’t want to spend their money, they want to spend other people’s money. If you don’t believe that, see below*.
    Their’s is safely ensconced in trust-funds, off-shore, etc, etc, and will never be taken by DC. Why should it? They make the rules for US, they won’t REALLY hurt themselves in the process (even it it sometimes appears that way).
    Sometimes, very rarely, does their overbearing hubris get the better of them, but its not often.

    BTW, Rich explicitly mentioned W.B., when he mentioned the “truly fat cats”. Certainly WB is one of them, the aw-shucks, heartland image is a nice gimmick, worked in your case.

    * Just look at the list of the wealthy, wealthiest individuals in Congress:
    Almost all Democrats, and none of them will retire thence, with any less money socked away.
    Ever wonder why a Ted Kennedy, or a Barbara Boxer, or a Feinstein, just to name a few good names, don’t first VOLUNTARILY spend all THEIR money for their causes, before asking for mine after theirs has run out?

    Because taxes are for the little-people, to quote a once famous insider (btw, whose hubris did get the better of her….)

    (But you need not worry about the long-term accumulation of this fat-cat money in most cases:
    The decline of the fortune Joe Kennedy wrought (the Warren Buffet of his day after WWII), in such a short time-frame, with the most degenerate of his off-spring being last to go, is a great example of how short this is, even without outside interference.
    Its as a group that they are bad for us though.)

  • Chance July 25, 2011, 9:33 pm

    This market is so rigged it’s ridiculous. It was rigged even before all the debt ceiling bickering. Do you really think Bernanke wouldn’t have make ‘arrangements’ to not let the stock market fall at the end of QE2? Especially after it’s his single most obsession in the world. A falling stock market would mean not only QE2 didn’t work, but the Fed just wasted hundreds of billions of dollars for no reason.

    All you have to do on days like these is pull up a five minute chart and level two screen, and just watch the bids magically leap above the ask. The observe the price on the chart just magically stall out just before a selloff.

    My guess is, there’s a reason no one has really come down on the HFT/algo-tradebot crowd after the Flash Crash and after turning our markets into a joke. They don’t let the market fall, they stay in business.

    • redwilldanaher July 25, 2011, 10:10 pm

      I’ve read several studies that covered the market’s ability to defy gravity over the past few years. Some studies have need to go out to the 11th standard deviation to explain some of the “action”. My gut is that it has never been more planned and manipulated that it is now and that the hft crowd only reinforces the desired outcome.

  • ricecake July 25, 2011, 9:20 pm

    Stocks won’t collapse. Not in the foreseeable future.

    Why?

    Because there are simply way too much restless sleepless money out there looking for place to make capital gains. The treasury bond market don’t look good. The mini-bond market don’t look good. The house market now is in coma. There are only so much you can do in commodities. Gold and silver are small market and the metals are non-productive much less liquid in day to day transection. Currency market is very high risk.

    Stock market is small pool in compare with the bond market. “Little water will fill it up. More than little water will make it overflow.

    Although you have 20% of the people who are from not working to not working enough, still there are 80% working. Of the 80% many still makes good living. Plus you got small group of the super rich with tones of money and eager to invest. So why stocks will collapse? Beside, the stocks are not yet too overpriced. The bubble is still dancing flowing in the mid air happily far away from the popping point.

    But I can understand why so many hope the market crash. Because many with lots of cash on the sideline missed the last opportunity now are losing their patience. They just can’t wait for the market to crash again so they can get it.

    It’s believed that Fed has large position in the stock market. The Fed is making money in the stock market. The Fed won’t crash the market to sell you their holdings in cheap. They will sell you in a reasonable middle to high prices. Especially when the investors are the foreigners such as China, or the middle eastern oil tycoons.

  • rick j July 25, 2011, 9:03 pm

    I think the number one reason to reduce the war/defense budget now is so that America can have a meaningful defense budget and capability in the future. What is the cost benefit picture for defending corporate interests abroad? I doubt the revenues are worth the costs, and I doubt that there is any dollar bound answer to fighting terrorism.
    Is there any hope that America can wake up to the indisputable fact that the existing parties are incapable of solving problems? Why would Republicans not vote for Ron Paul and an independent party driven to eliminate deficits and high spending?

  • rick j July 25, 2011, 7:23 pm

    America has all the ingredients necessary to remain or regain economic supremacy in the world. The geographical advantages alone are second to none. Literally an ocean away from any legitimate threat, necessary defence of the nation costs could be a fraction of what is spent. The agricultural potential is second to none. The transportation facilities in terms of ports, railways, highways etc. are well established if in need of repair. There is a large supply of labor that is reasonably skilled and educated. Access to supply of capital is only now looking like it will become a problem. So with all this going for it, what is the problem in America?
    Obviously, the problem is management and leadership and you have to look at both parties and in particular business leaders and government leaders over at least the past 40 years.
    At the most basic level, it should be obvious that any successful nation (looking at more than money here) needs to have enough jobs at all levels of ability to keep the bulk of its people gainfully employed, and if that means tariffs and a few fatcats on Wall Street make a bit less, then so be it. Can someone tell me, please, what could be wrong with that?

    • Rick Ackerman July 25, 2011, 8:15 pm

      Long-term, this sounds like a plan, since America does indeed have the resources to lead the world in creating real wealth. However, given the current wrangling over fiscal policy, it’s hard to believe we’ll be able to make the difficult political decisions and sacrifices needed to regain our competitive edge. Perhaps our best hope, paradoxically, is that the hard decisions will be forced on us by economic collapse.

      Concerning the ease of defending our borders, the jihadists who would restore the caliphate will put increasing pressure on the U.S. to protect its interest globally. When you consider how very easy it would be for them to bomb U.S. multinationals into submission wherever they operate — a Citibank branch in Jakarta? a McDonald’s in Santiago? a natural gas pipeline or drilling rig anywhere — you begin to realize why the war against Islamists both domestically and abroad matters.

  • Marketace July 25, 2011, 6:36 pm

    Now that everyone on the planet knows that the US, and every country on earth has too much debt, and they all will default, why does it surprise anyone that investors are moving to hard assets and stocks?

    Too many people think this 2008 again, but that was a panic of liquidity and a big over reaction to the unknown. Today there is a debt problem and economic weakness, but what we really have is a fiat currency crisis and the fear of cash becoming trash. Accordingly investors are rapidly buying other asset classes and this will continue no matter what games Washington plays or what terrible economic news hits the headlines.

    • redwilldanaher July 25, 2011, 6:45 pm

      Or one might argue that they have been herded to do so and have gotten a mighty, mighty assist not from the invisible hand but by the semi-transparent black hand of hyper-manipulation in all forms: currency debasement, day to day coordinated markets intervention and the most powerful propaganda network ever deployed.

    • Robert July 25, 2011, 8:52 pm

      Since “cash” is merely a liability against our Treasury, and a debt that must be paid (with interest) to the Federal Reserve, I’d question who out there doesn’t already think cash is trash…

      In the 30’s, we were in a real deflation (when consumer prices are reflected against Gold, Silver, or Oil), which resulted in a nominal deflation as well because the issuance of dollars was constrained by the amount of Gold on the asset side of the Treasury’s balance sheet.

      Today, we are also in a real deflation (when consumer prices are reflected against Gold, Silver, or Oil), that is being offset by a nominal inflation, because the supply of dollars (which everything is “officially” priced in) is constrained by nothing except the need for dollars, and the willingness of the borrower (large global commercial banks) to pay 0% interest on their dollar loan, and the willingness of the creditor (the US Treasury Bond holder) to accept 0% interest on their dollar loan…

      The currency of the US Dollar is toast. It hasn’t burnt just yet, but the plunger is definitely stuck down, and the filaments are still glowing orange…

      Expect smoke at any moment.

    • Mario cavolo July 26, 2011, 4:05 am

      Have to agree… In 2008 interest rates weren’t already at close to zero… And so now money into global equities/hard assets, out of cash n bonds.

      But then the conflict comes that falling bonds bring rising interest rates which will then turn capital back out of equities/hard assets… Its a question of catching the timing of the moves right…. no easy task.

  • "Ladies and Gentlemen, I interrupt this program..." July 25, 2011, 6:16 pm

    “Although we rate the default threat
    no more likely to be realized
    than a Martian invasion…”
    R.A., written today.

    ——————————————–

    “RADIO ANNOUNCER: Ladies and gentlemen, I have a grave announcement to make. Incredible as it may seem, both the observations of science and the evidence of our eyes lead to the inescapable assumption, that those strange beings who landed in the Jersey farmlands tonight, are the vanguard of an invading army, from the planet… Mars.” (Orson Welles, 1938).

    ———————————–

    Approx. 1 year ago
    (as attested by his repeated assertions
    on these daily ‘free’ bulletins)

    R.A. was an avowed deflationist.

    No doubt.

    —————————

    Then,
    approx. 1/2 year ago,
    R.A. started to daily waffle back and forth,
    between
    continuing to be a worried deflationist,
    and

    slowy becoming

    a rabid inflationist.

    ———————————

    And today,
    with his ‘martian invasion’ comparison,
    I hereby dub
    that the transformation is complete.

    R.A. is now
    a wholly
    total

    rabid inflationist.

    —————————

    So,

    I ask all you,
    his
    f o l l o w e r s,

    (that constantly comment
    herein,
    on his website)–

    Is that
    a
    positive
    or
    negative

    indicator?

    —————

    Based
    on his
    prior history,
    of course.

    —————-

    As I have only been reading
    his free emailed daily commentaries
    for last the 2 years,
    of the
    ‘helicopter threatened dropped free cash’,
    ‘benny and his juking jets’
    regime.

    • Rick Ackerman July 25, 2011, 6:26 pm

      Rabid inflationist? Nice try, dude. What I was, was mildly engaged by FOFOA blogspot’s seemingly plausible theories about hyperinflation. For the moment, though — and grocery bills aside — deflation rules: not only in real estate, but in the fiscal calculations of nearly every city, state and country in the world. But regardless of which side of the deflation/hyperinflation argument one is on, it is only fools who claim to know how exactly things will play out. Hyperinflation seems entirely likely at some point, I would agree, but it could come and go with the speed of a thunderclap.

    • redwilldanaher July 25, 2011, 6:41 pm

      For the record, I read it as this particular iteration of default threat with respect to currently playing puppet clown show in Mordor on the Potomac. My push comes to shove argument has always been perpetuation despite how implausible it looks at any given time because that has seemingly always been the trend but there will eventually be a day of reckoning IMO. How exactly and when it plays out is for fools and God to be certain. But I’m sure you’re aware of this.

    • Hue of Man July 25, 2011, 7:13 pm

      Money is not printed, it is borrowed. That borrowed money in the form of bonds has to be paid back with interest. America is addicted to debt because debt is money and depending on the way you look at it you could say America is addicted to money. I do believe FOA said it best “debt is the very essence of fiat. As debt defaults, fiat is destroyed. This is where all the deflationists get their direction. Not seeing that hyperinflation is the process of saving debt at all costs, even buying it outright for cash” It is probably written somewhere in the fine print of Fed policy that debt shall be saved at all costs.

    • "Ladies and Gentlemen, I interrupt this program..." July 25, 2011, 8:25 pm

      dude, I have seen you slowly change,
      over last few months,
      day by day,
      to a full card-carrying inflationist;
      where
      you no longer even give, the time-of-day,
      to any across-the-board, systemic default argument.

      (which argument you were the champion of, 1 year ago)

      &&&&&&

      I’ve deleted the rest of your post because I don’t have the time right now to set it straight. And what a sorry mess it was. What on earth were you thinking when you completely misconstrued — and ran with — my “no default” comment? The U.S. is already bankrupt, as far as I’m concerned, and it’s only a matter of time before the financial system and economy deep-six. My commentary merely said that all of the haggling over the debt-limit is not going to send us into default, nor would Moody’s dare to attempt a downgrade.

      You can post here as you please, but I’d suggest reviewing the archive before you go off the deep end again, ranting about all of the supposedly contradictory things that I’ve written. One more thing: If you try to post here anonymously again, I will block your IP address for good. If you’ve got something to say, you need to man up, furnishing your real name and a valid e-mail address — just like I and most others do in this forum. RA

    • Mario cavolo July 26, 2011, 3:00 am

      When it comes to your language and thought process in this rant, you’re guilty of what we call deleting , generalizing and distorting the stream of information to the point of making the point you are trying to make far too narrow and inconclusive.

      Stab away aggressively on this forum if you dare but do so with substantive intelligent argument and with your identity , otherwise you’re just a blabbering spineless… ( I’d really prefer the word for “kittycat” here) wasting everyone’s time and energy.

    • "...LOOMING COLLAPSE." July 26, 2011, 3:36 pm

      “What on earth were you thinking when you completely misconstrued — and ran with — my “no default” comment? …My commentary merely said that all of the haggling over the debt-limit is not going to send us into default…”
      ————————————————————-

      WRONG.
      YOU SAID MUCH MORE, THAN WRITE ABOUT A DEBT-LIMIT DEFAULT.

      SO YOU BE YOUR OWN JUDGE–
      BUT THIS IS WHAT STOOD OUT FOR ME ABOUT YOUR ARTICLE:

      ———————-
      1.
      A HEADLINE WITH A
      GENERIC
      “…LOOMING COLLAPSE” IN IT.

      2. AND A RUN-ON PARAGRAPH,
      I WHICH I NOW SEE, CAN BE INTERPRETED VARIOUS WAYS (CAPS MINE):
      “We might have expected traders to show more fear toward the growing THREAT of a DEFLATIONARY COLLAPSE in the U.S. AND EUROPE. Then again, maybe our handicapping is wrong. Although we rate the DEFAULT THREAT no more likely to be realized than a Martian invasion…”

      3.
      AS YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE, WHAT I WAS READING ABOUT,
      AND SOLELY COMMENTING ON,
      WAS THE CONNECTION BETWEEN TITLE´S
      “…LOOMING COLLAPSE”
      AND
      “…THREAT of a DEFLATIONARY COLLAPSE in the U.S. AND EUROPE.”

      “…AND EUROPE.”

      “…DEFAULT THREAT…”

      (AS YOU CAN SEE YOURSELF, YOU WERE DISCUSSING M U C H MORE
      (EUROPE’S AND USA DEBT CRISIS TOGETHER)
      THAN JUST THE CURRENT RUNNING-OUT-OF-TIME
      A B S U R D USA DEBT-CEILING SITUATION (WHICH O B V I O U S L Y MUST BE RAISED,
      ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, BEFORE AUG. 2 DEADLINE,
      SINCE YOUR USA WIL N O T DEFAULT
      ON IT’S DEBT-INTEREST PAYMENTS).

      HOWEVER, SINCE THIS IS SO O B V I O U S–
      THAT IT IS NOT EVEN WORTH DISCUSSING–
      I NEVER DREAMT YOU WERE MAKING
      YOUR “MARTIAN INVASION” COMMENT,
      SOLELY ABOUT
      THE CURRENT DEBT-CEILING DAILY
      DOG-AND-PONY SHOW, YAWNING PSEUDO-DRAMA.

      SO THERE YOU HAVE IT, “DUDE,”
      THAT’S “WHAT ON EARTH”
      I WAS THINKING.

      —————————————————–

      “You can post here as you please, but… One more thing: If you try to post here anonymously again, I will block your IP address for good. If you’ve got something to say, you need to man up, furnishing your real name and a valid e-mail address — just like I and most others do in this forum.” RA

      I WILL NOT POST MY NAME ON THE INTERNET.
      PERIOD.
      SO GO AHEAD, AND BLOCK MY IP.

      AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH “MANING UP.”
      I’D “MAN UP” TO YOU ANY DAY, AND CRUSH YOU LIKE A BUG.

      “…otherwise you’re just a blabbering spineless…
      ( I’d really prefer the word for “kittycat” here)…” (mario cavolo)

      AND I’D BE EVEN MORE CRUSHING,
      TO YOUR CONSTANT LICKAZZ AMOEBA,
      THAT LAUGHABLE WORM, MARIO CAVOLO.

      SO GOODBYE, GOBBLE GOBBLE TURKEYS ALL.

  • Dan July 25, 2011, 1:43 pm

    President “Bobby”: Mr. Gardner, do you agree with Ben, or do you think that we can stimulate growth through temporary incentives?
    [Long pause]
    Chance the Gardener: As long as the roots are not severed, all is well. And all will be well in the garden.
    President “Bobby”: In the garden.
    Chance the Gardener: Yes. In the garden, growth has it seasons. First comes spring and summer, but then we have fall and winter. And then we get spring and summer again.
    President “Bobby”: Spring and summer.
    Chance the Gardener: Yes.
    President “Bobby”: Then fall and winter.
    Chance the Gardener: Yes.
    Benjamin Rand: I think what our insightful young friend is saying is that we welcome the inevitable seasons of nature, but we’re upset by the seasons of our economy.
    Chance the Gardener: Yes! There will be growth in the spring!
    Benjamin Rand: Hmm!
    Chance the Gardener: Hmm!
    President “Bobby”: Hm. Well, Mr. Gardner, I must admit that is one of the most refreshing and optimistic statements I’ve heard in a very, very long time.
    [Benjamin Rand applauds]
    President “Bobby”: I admire your good, solid sense. That’s precisely what we lack on Capitol Hill.

  • C.C. July 25, 2011, 6:06 am

    I like ‘Chicks for free’ but alas, I’m not a rock star – oh well…

    It’s really getting cornfusing out there. In some quarters, they’re talking up the market – and providing some fair observations to back up their assertions:

    http://www.financialsense.com/contributors/chris-puplava/2011/07/22/time-to-switch-from-a-secular-bear-to-bull-market-mentality

    Then, in other quarters it’s all going to come unglued again, circa 2008 – anytime now, right around the corner – it’s coming… What to believe? I rather like the idea of a rest period in the pM’s for perhaps a last opportunity for a grab-bag of 1 oz. Eagles before the shelves are empty…

    • John Jay July 25, 2011, 2:59 pm

      C.C.
      My “Get out of jail for free” reference:
      “Federal prosecutors have shelved a criminal investigation of Angelo R. Mozilo after determining that his actions in the mortgage meltdown – which led to a $67.5 million settlement against him – did not amount to criminal wrongdoing.” ..from the Washington Post, 2-19-11.
      However if you go to http://mortgagefraudblog.com/
      the small fry get sent up the river every day.
      Charles Keating got 7 years in 1993 of which he served 50 months after a review of his case for a 2 billion dollar S+L fraud back in in 1999.
      That was 2 billion, what a rube Keating was!
      That all seems rather quaint today, n’est pas?
      Looking at Charles Keating, the boys on Wall Street had a Leo Bloom moment.
      The rest is history!

  • Jill July 25, 2011, 6:01 am

    Ron Paul is allowed a little bit of power,only because he will pull Libertarian voters into the Repbublican party, after which these voters will get none of the things Ron Paul talks about. He may be sincere but he is being played for a fool.

    Both parties usually spend money like drunken sailors. And they will continue to. Congress persons are, after all, simply Legislation Salespeople, who sell legislation to the highest bidder from Special Interest Groups. If those groups want giant tax loopholes, or want something expensive to be paid for by taxpayer money, that’s just a part of the Legislation Sales. Buyers of legislation get everything they paid for and more. What do we taxpayers, consumers, and voters get? We get to pay for all of it.

    • Erin July 25, 2011, 1:45 pm

      Mostly agree Jill except…The real fools are the American people who continue to elect politicians who don’t understand economics and continue to do the same things over and over. Ron Paul is no fool in this scenario. Does a fool see an economic meltdown coming in the United States and effecting the world economies while everybody else is laughing at him? Who was it that turned out to be correct while everyone had a good laugh? Oh yea, Ron Paul.

      I will ask once again…Why do our elected leaders not ask the people who saw these economic problems coming in the first place for the correct fix? How could they possibly fix the problem when they don’t even understand the problem? Instead we get the same solution every time…We need more money (which is really debt) to solve out debt problem. Absolutely brilliant!!! And the public does not understand this???

      I guess we can always look on the bright side…The government is now going to go into the landlord business to solve the over supply of foreclosed homes. WSJ article in the July 22 issue which should be read by all. Can you say transfer of wealth boys and girls for the greater good! And thankfully for good measure, Ben Bernanke approves of this! What could possibly go wrong with this scenario?

      Everyone should read “Meltdown” by Thomas Woods. It lays out so simply what is wrong with government policies as they apply to the economy. Recently I saw a clip of him endorsing Ron Paul and in the short clip he says….”Ron Paul is our modern day Thomas Jefferson”. I agree! But two of us won’t get him elected.

      If the economy and jobs really are all the country cares about according to the talking heads, then why do they not take the time to educate themselves on these subjects? With real unemployment thru the roof and getting worse, I would guess they could find a little free time to educate themselves on this most important subject and apply their votes accordingly.

    • Mario cavolo July 25, 2011, 2:31 pm

      Talking about the “people” , the citizens of America who don’t “do” anything about it…

      Come on… It’s the same with citizens here in China… they have a very low sense of concern, influence, involvement in the society, in the decisions of government leaders. For the most part they take whatever comes down from above lying down, withoutnanynillusions that they could do much to effect change. In Chinese they say “wu suo wei” which translates pretty well as the American “whatever…”

      It seems too easily and sadly to say that an American is in reality not much better off… A quick readmof Naomi wolfe’s well laid out book, Give Me Liberty, makes the case quite clearly. The difference is it seems to me that the Chinese govt isn’t trying to foster any illusions on the matter whereas in the U.S. we have the most egregious case in history of leaders, bankers, elites et al. gaming the system, perpetrating extreme self-interest right under everyone elses noses. It’s mind-boggling. We want “of the people, by the people, for the people.”… so well said.

      Cheers, Mario

    • Chris T. July 25, 2011, 11:04 pm

      Reply below makes good points.

      Indeed, Ron Paul is not the fool.
      The dolts are the voters, that are not fully consequent in their behavior.
      If they perceived the bait-and-switch, they should abandon the party the next time around.

      Once the party can no longer rely on a base it believes it has sown up, it stops taking it for granted.

      Perhaps the most encouraging thing about Obama right now, is that he slowly but surely embarked on a course to kick the most staunchly Democratic voting block in the you-know-what, the black community, the ones who gave him almost 100% blind support in 2008.
      But sure enough, more and more influential members of that community are seeing the full-scale betrayal, and are calling him out.
      A wonderful thing to see.
      Too bad the “tea-party” supporters, never a very homogenous group to begin with, are still giving blind support.

      As to libertarianism as a generally understood notion/concept:
      Sad to say, but Charles Murray’s book has pretty much conclusively proved, that this can never happen, the powers of reasoning and thought needed ensure minority – appeal only (minority in the purely statistical sense).
      And THEY know this, THAT is why Ron Paul is permitted as much as he is.
      Anytime a blip is seen from him beyond that part of the bell curve, you will see the combined forces out attacking…

  • John Jay July 25, 2011, 5:40 am

    The stock, bond, and securitized asset markets have been living in an alternate universe for a while now.
    The sky is the limit, make up the rules as you go along.
    Money for nothing, get out of jail for free.
    They offer us zero for our savings because they don’t need our savings, or maybe because our savings don’t really exist any more. Everything has been stolen, money, jobs, elections, factories, civil rights, Congress and the Supreme Court too.
    Raising the debt ceiling will only make matters worse, but you would never know from the MSM coverage.
    I hope the Euro union falls apart before we do.
    Maybe the Deutsch Mark and the French Franc will make a come back if the German and the French proles take to the streets, because that sure won’t happen here.
    In another month football starts up again, that’s what really matters, right?
    The MSM is already smiling on Romney in spite of Ron Pauls popularity and common sense, here we go again.
    Dazed and confused, that’s what I am.

    • beau July 25, 2011, 11:45 pm

      I don’t think your confused…at all.What you wrote is basically the state of our once great republic.

  • Hue of Man July 25, 2011, 4:10 am

    “A gold standard will NOT fix this mess. It’s the debt! The US cannot pay that debt. Has no intention of ever paying that debt. So let us get on with it and just default and start all over again! That will be the end result anyway. So who are we fooling? Just those who prefer to be fooled! This is why gold is now rising. So stop the stupid gold standard stuff that is about as realistic as a balanced budget amendment. Just buy gold and enjoy the hedge. We can’t fix the system for there is too much disagreement. It has to collapse!” – Martin A. Armstrong

    ArmstrongEconomics@gmail.com

    • gary leibowitz July 25, 2011, 7:29 pm

      Are you really sure tax hikes and a good economy didn’t go hand in hand? I suppose the 7 rate hikes that Reagan encated and the ones from Clinton don’t count?

      I suppose you will now have to make me research and prove my point. Fair enough.

      As for the 1880’s there was no welfare, income tax just started in 1862 and children worked 13 hour days.
      Are you really suggesting that these were the “good old days”? I guess you could coin that period as the “Robber Baron” times.

    • gary leibowitz July 25, 2011, 7:43 pm

      “However, lower taxes may not necessarily lead to GDP growth. After WWII, both the income tax rate and GDP growth edged down in the U.S., suggesting that secular trends or other policies affect GDP more than income tax rates.”

      Excerpt from the following article. Since it disputes your claim I suppose you will dismiss it as inacurate.

      http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/47493/20100830/correlation-income-tax-rate-tax-receipts-and-gdp.htm

      &&&&&&

      I agree with the particular point you’ve excerpted but would argue nonetheless that post-WWII GDP would have been even higher if taxes had been lower. In any event, what “necessarily” happens when taxes are lowered depends on which taxes and by how much. If you were to tax-advantage saving and investment to the extent that, oh, housing debt has long been favored, I dare say you’d have more saving and investment. Had this actually occurred, our manufacturing sector might have stayed competitive with Asia’s. RA

    • gary leibowitz July 25, 2011, 8:17 pm

      Unfortunately there is no true formula to determine what the optimum mix is to maintain a healthy economy. I can get the data that shows economic disasters happen during peak disparity between rich and poor. That is a clearer correlation.

      I do acknowledge that Dems/Repubs love to spend beyond means. I also maintain that by reducing the upper tax bracket when the middle class is being squeezed is just plain wrong.

  • martin snell July 25, 2011, 4:05 am

    Huh?

    “Mr. Obama because our soak-the-rich President couldn’t resist piling on just a few more taxes for good measure. ”

    Please show me where Obama has raised taxes! He actually extended the tax cuts for the rich – which no one but the top 1% were in favor of, and even many of them were willing to accept higher taxes (W.B. for one).

    If anyone thinks the budget can be balanced without tax increases, they need to take an accounting course … and the sooner the better.

    • A. Rand Fan July 25, 2011, 5:16 am

      martin, politicians have always spent it first then come after the US taxpayer to cover it. Obumbler has spent trillions since taking office with the same expectation of raising taxes. But I’m of the camp that believes “The One” really wants to change (read destroy) America. Remember this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s I can imagine what the “*%^&” he wants this for.

    • Rick Ackerman July 25, 2011, 7:30 am

      Relative to the deficit, the additional revenues that a tax increase might bring in would amount to no more than a rounding error. Regardless of whether the top marginal rate was set at 28% or 90%, revenues have never exceeded 8% of GDP. Will you now argue that tax increase would stimulate business?

    • gary leibowitz July 25, 2011, 3:09 pm

      There is absolutely no correlation to a weak economy and raising taxes. In fact the evidence would actually suggest otherwise.

      The surplus from BUSH with the 10 trillion tax break certainly didn’t get much mention. The prescription plan enacted by BUSH didn’t either.

      There was a total economic collapse when Obama took office. If you are suggesting that any president that got elected wouldn’t take the same measures is ludicrous.

      During the worse recession in decades, to suggest that the very rich pay some of their share back is also ludicrous. I guess the “trickle down” theory is still in play.

      Most other tax/spend negotiations resulted in a 50/50 mix of cuts and taxes. To even suggest a 16 percent tax hike against spending cuts is unfair is beyond my understanding of fairness.

      I suppose you rail against tax hikes on principle since th rich are making money hand over fist. Perhaps we should go back to the 1880’s. Now that was a great time!

      &&&&&&

      “Absolutely no correlation” simply because…you say there is none? C’mon, Gary. Please stop making up stuff like that — you’ll never get away with it in this forum . And while you’re at it, check the statistics concerning the percentage of this country’s taxes “the rich” are already paying. Regarding the 1880s, can you imagine a time when people who saved their dollars could count on those dollars being worth more in the future? The 1880/90s were just such a time. RA

    • Benjamin July 25, 2011, 7:44 pm

      Martin… Why do you always make comments like this?

      “If anyone thinks the budget can be balanced without tax increases, they need to take an accounting course … and the sooner the better.”

      I suppose what one believes concerning taxation is what one does/doesn’t realize about the modern day financial and monetary systems. To suggest that taxes can pay off the debt, or just pay it down significantly, is to suggest that as much or more money exists as there exists debt. But in our world, the cart (debt) comes before the horse (money) and the cart is HUGE and growing. Furthermore, there is no amount of spending cuts that can help. The time for that has long passed. In fact, the only way to have avoided these problems we’re having now (and their associated inevitabilities) was to never overspend in the first place! But here’s the thing…

      Earlier on in history, someone said, and many believed, that the rich could always be taxed as high as needed in order to meet the increasing burdens of government overspending. But even if the top x% were willing and able, there just wouldn’t be enough! And who among them in their right mind would want to have their money vaccumed out from underneath in order to call the Left’s bluff, only to find that much, much, much more inflation is needed? They’d either have less money in hyperinflation, or less money in a long term depression!

      So, concerning taxation, either you’re full of beans or P.T. Barnum had it right. Or both.