S&P Downgrade Only Stokes Panic into Treasurys

And how did Treasury paper do following Standard & Poor’s bombshell downgrade of U.S. debt?  Why, T-Bonds, Bills and Notes came through unscathed, thank you. Actually, they did much better than that, rallying so sharply yesterday that one might have inferred the U.S. was the last citadel against the panic, confusion and fear that rein elsewhere in the world. Which is more or less true, relatively speaking.  We hesitate to describe yesterday’s tidal surge in Treasurys as counterintuitive, however, since, officially, U.S. debt is still rated AA+.  That’s a tad optimistic, if not to say delusional, given the fact that U.S. borrowing is eventually headed north of $20 trillion.  How could debt not be about to go parabolic now that Congress has discovered that the debt ceiling can be raised without exacting a fiscal price, or even a political one? Even so, and as the mortgage boom/bust demonstrated, institutional investors base their allocations not on fundamentals or even reality, but on the official say-so of the ratings agencies.  And although we all understand that the AA+ rating is conferred with a wink and a nod, it has always been in Wall Street’s best interests to pretend to take it seriously.

Keep in mind as well that neither Moody’s nor Fitch’s has gone along with the downgrade, at least not yet.  This will suffice to allow those who have been mindlessly pouring cash into the Treasury of a nation edging toward bankruptcy to credibly claim down the road that, at the time, the U.S. was still officially the safest place on earth to park one’s cash.  They’ll be correct about that, too, since U.S. Treasury paper has become the only sanctioned safe haven for the very biggest money.  George Soros undoubtedly recognized this when he decided to shut down Quantum.  These days, it’s hard enough to preserve one’s own capital, let alone make it grow.  It takes genius just to eke out a “safe” 4% return, so why should a hedge fund manager who has nothing to prove and more wealth than he could ever spend obligate himself to a bunch of uber-wealthy investors who were spoiled by the anomalously high returns that obtained prior to the Great Financial Crash of 2008-09?

A Crowded Safe Haven

Over the years, we have asserted here many times that, during the deflationary bust that lay ahead, even financial wizards would find it challenging to hold onto a small fraction of their peak net worth. Although we lacked the imagination to envision bullion and Treasury paper as the last assets left standing, we always suspected that even the very smartest of the smart money would somehow get trapped.  That is now clearly a possibility if you grant that the U.S. could default on its obligations. And yes, we know that, technically speaking, because Uncle Sam can gin up as much digital cash as it takes to pay the interest and principal on America’s debt, a true default cannot occur. But hyperinflation would have the same effect, wiping out those who now cling, via Treasury paper, to the branches of a tree sprouting from the sand of a small island that will soon be submerged. The rentiers (and pension funds, and hedgies, and many others) may be dry at the moment, but the tide of debt seems all but certain to inundate them. Under the circumstances, although Gold is officially execrated rather than sanctioned, we see no reason to worry about the health of its long-term uptrend.  That said,  we have turned cautious on gold for the near term because the December Comex contract yesterday came within $4 of the $1728 Hidden Pivot rally target we’d been using as a minimum upside objective.  If that resistance is easily brushed aside within the next day or two, however, it would be telegraphing the next big push – to $2000, and presumably beyond. (Click here for a free trial subscription to Rick’s Picks.)

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  • Mava August 10, 2011, 4:00 pm

    No, Joey. Those are not gains, even though the government will attempt to tax them at %28. The government is comprised of liars and thieves.

    Those are exactly the same money you started with.
    Everyone else lost in the mean time.

  • Joey August 10, 2011, 6:51 am

    “It takes genius just to eke out a “safe” 4% return…”

    Do my massive gains for sitting on physical bullion for a couple years make me a genius++ ?

  • Mava August 10, 2011, 4:39 am

    Mario,

    The way we rate today, Zimbabwe should have AAA rating, since there is no problem in getting your nominal investment back.

    If we look at real return, the US is officially stealing. In my world this commands junk rating, but that may simply be because I ain’t sophisticated enough to actually know how to “invest to lose money”. When I want to lose some money, I just go to a Go-Go bar.

    • ben August 10, 2011, 7:03 am

      Warren Buffet is right…America should have an AAAA credit rating. Since America can print dollars ad infinitum, our dollar denominated debt should always be triple AAA+. If we issued Euro denominated bonds, our Euro bonds might be a different story. When a country has the ability to create infinite amounts of money, standard benchmarks of likelihood to repay such as debt/GDP no longer matter. S&P should have downgraded the dollar and not US debt. They look like total idiots for the downgrade. Which is more likely to be repaid?…a triple A rated corporate bond denominated in dollars, or a double A rated treasury? That is the sole issue when it comes to debt ratings.

  • mario cavolo August 10, 2011, 1:38 am

    I woke up this morning pondering once again the issue of “shorting” the market. When have we ever seen such a decline in such a short period of time? The system, with billions of shares trading via HFT’s is its own worst nightmare.

    This 2 week decline has nothing to do with reality, nothing to do with value, nothing to do with economic crisis, nothing to do with debt, nothing to do with earnings, nothing to do with growth or the lack of it, nothing to do with what, for example, the actual price of crude oil “should” be based on good old fashioned supply and demand.

    This unprecedentedly rapid timeframe decline is because everybody and their mother, including the very banks and politicians who are supposed to be responsible for the economic stability of the country and the world, is short to earn profits. These movements are driven to excess by nothing more than speculative trading for profits. In the case of the big players, the very banks who are responsible for global economic stability might I add, it is done with the help of their HFT computer algos to do so. Period. The system itself is destroying itself and everything around it, all for the end game of making the big players themselves filthy rich.

    A look at the events leading to the 2008 crisis clearly outlines their playbook to rake in profits for themselves (et al: sub prime CDO’s, CDS’s, AIG, S&P rating junk AAA, etc.) at the expense of American society and even the global economy. They gave themselves the freedom to both create and play out the playbook, threatening the entire banking system and societal stability as a whole in the process. No one would argue this?

    Today, this past two weeks, what has changed in that regard? Not a damn thing. For example, someone tell me right now that Goldman Sachs trading desks were not in short positions earning profits during this decline. When the very system that is supposed to be making sure we don’t go to hell is profiting from our going to hell, that is….words anyone? I’m at a loss for the layers of insanity to describe what the Wall Street financial and trading system has become.

    Wall Street (Bankers): Destroying The World One Trade At A Time

    Next, the world is awash in debt. Get over it. Across Japan, across Europe, across the United States, there is massive debt. In fact, while China does have huge personal and national reserves, China’s banks also have massive debt too. Why does any of that mean that the USD is doomed? Nonsense. Is the Japanese Yen doomed? They have been awash in outrageous debt and zero interest rates for over a decade. Ah yes but they had savings you say. So what? The United States is the most powerful country in the world with triple the GDP of anyone else. Who else has THAT? Outside of Wall Street, do we forget what greatness America has? Its assets, its resources, what, it all adds up to chump change? Of course not people.

    The primary sovereign economies across the globe are overloaded with debt and with that being the case, nobody’s credit is AAA anymore. The concept and credibility of the credit rating is skewed in meaning in today’s world. That’s the truth.

    That’s what this charade has become.

    And yet I am no hypocrite. I AM short crude.

    Cheers, Mario

  • Terry S August 10, 2011, 1:11 am

    @ Chris T – No paper trail on checks and wires to, say, Bullion Direct, either, right? Capital gains? We don’t have NO STINKING capital gains, Ameros, err, Amigos!
    @ Rick – Obamer (BBC speak) IS “chopped liver.” (That’d be a metaphor not a simile, methinks.)
    @? – The average ‘down-time’ after a credit rating loss = 9 years. No two-time Obamer conspiracy here.

  • Mava August 9, 2011, 11:49 pm

    Last I’ve seen, the powers that be have upgraded their aim of North American Dominance to a World Dominance. They are trying to introduce the currency that would allow them to fleece the entire world, not just Americans Canadians and Mexicans.

    The part that always pisses-off the powers that be is that there is always an escape for those not content with the happiness offered. So it was and is, and may well be in the future, that the goal they pursue is always “world domination”, where there is no escape for those they haven’t fleeced.

  • redwilldanaher August 9, 2011, 9:28 pm

    How much longer before Barry’s press conference is held on the Nasco Corridor to introduce us all to the Amero?

  • Mava August 9, 2011, 8:36 pm

    Better to file a police report than a capital gains form.

  • Chris T. August 9, 2011, 7:51 pm

    Benjamin:

    funny you should mention APMEX, because it, like the other well known bullion dealers, will be the first go-to point when our government goes about seizing its citizens gold.

    “Show us your sale records for the last xx years”.
    Then they will come a calling at your door.
    “Hand over the xx ounces you bought for our scrip

    It doesn’t matter that you’ve got it well hidden, because:
    “Oh, you don;t have that any more?”
    “That’s very interesting, why did you not report the captial gain, sir?”

  • Bradley August 9, 2011, 4:46 pm

    Gotta say I’m a little confused by comments here about buying gold with credit cards. My local dealer won’t sell gold to a credit card user. Tulving won’t either. Amark won’t either. I have to think only a nut would. Plenty of nuts on ebay I guess. Can you say “chargebacks”?!?!

    • Rick Ackerman August 9, 2011, 7:42 pm

      Buying gold with credit cards during a credit collapse (or during a hyperinflation, for that matter)? Facetious talk, as I tried to make clear.

  • Mava August 9, 2011, 3:58 pm

    China doesn’t need our payments all that much. Yes, it would be nice, but it was not what they bid for. They now have the most desired thing in the world, and interestingly, Americans are not even mentioning that.

    Is this because we think of credit cards as of something desired? I think so. The destruction of mind that the socialist policies of US Government have achieved is mind blowing, pun intended.

    I think this is sad. I am ok be it China at the helm or US, but I would prefer US for cultural reasons. But it is sad to see a used to be great country in the state where no one knows nor even wants to know what does make a country great.

    • Mario cavolo August 9, 2011, 4:34 pm

      Hi Mava, for cultural reasons indeed, China at the helm is a scary prospect…

    • Mava August 9, 2011, 5:28 pm

      Mario,

      No kidding, what a choice.

      US: a Century of wars, non-stop, millions killed, thanks to Mr. Kissinger.

      China: Want to be forced to do a Morning Exercise (what a moronic government)?

    • John Jay August 9, 2011, 6:50 pm

      Mava,
      That is so correct.
      China can write off whatever we owe them, for look at what they conned us into.
      Shipping a good portion of our manufacturing base and technology to them, and then, we supplied them with 300 million captive consumers to get it all off the ground! With no protective tariffs to speak of!
      In essence it is as if we lost a war to them and were forced into giving them our factories and consumer market as reparations.
      The same thing went on with Mexico in addition to our accepting millions of their huddled masses.
      That fact will never come up in Congress or any POTUS speeches or Fed calculations.
      Just more pointless “stimulus” for a corpse that just goes right into the pockets of the oligarchs anyway.
      So now China gets to berate us for our profligate ways which, in fact, made their economic success possible!
      Add to that 40 years of OPEC cleaning us out so that our former wealth became obscene wealth and power for Arab sheiks and skyscrapers in the desert.
      All of it on our money.
      What a madhouse.

    • mario cavolo August 10, 2011, 12:21 am

      You hit a fabulous point here John Jay. With the story of all of America’s debt, with the American consumer driving themselves into the ground with debt spending, with all the miserable complicity of the bankers, the politicians, the credit card companies, et al., ahh so many across the globe sweetly benefited from America’s debt driven rise! Little talked about…

  • eric August 9, 2011, 1:25 pm

    ok i got one for everyone regarding the gold,china,credit issue. if the usa is going to tank, who will really pay off their credit card bills? what would be the point? the government is not paying,why would the people? ok, as far gold goes, even if it hits 5000usd, whats the point? will life be civilized s we know it if that happened. at last, china is big time, and rich no doubt. But, can they really become the next USA in terms of power? they may have the money and the army but they still dont have the logistics to move that money or their army. If the USA does collapse, it will probably be a dark ages for some time…. oh, and who can please tell me what the heck happened to silver??? gold is up almost over 100usd and silver hasnt moved past 40 usd yet????? im not buying the industrial argument…..

    • charles August 9, 2011, 3:15 pm

      Not everyone thinks of silver as a storehouse of value, Asia does in some ways. We are in the midst of an ongoing collapse of highly leveraged players and they have to raise money. This is why the price of silver is not going up like gold – selling to cover positions and not wanting to miss those $50+ days in gold.

    • Mario cavolo August 9, 2011, 3:27 pm

      But, can they (china) really become the next USA in terms of power?

      No. For many practical and idealogical reasons starting with the language barrier they will not become a world leader beyond economics…

    • JimK August 9, 2011, 3:36 pm

      Ditto the silver question. David Morgan just today proclaimed a coming 75.00 upside target – following a drop to maybe 5.00 in the shorter term! I’m having a hard time believing this, and yesterday advised associates (in all cash savings) to buy some silver – after reading Morgan, I’m wondering if I steered them wrong.
      There are too many devoted silver buyers in the world now to let a J.P. Morgan off the hook with their massive silver short position – yes, the divergence of gold from silver in this move is very suspicious.

    • Rick Ackerman August 9, 2011, 4:34 pm

      China’s savings go so deep that they’ll be able to recover after taking a $2 trillion hit. Does anyone think they are so stupid that they have not already written off — i.e., kissed good-bye — what they are owed by the U.S.?

  • DanX August 9, 2011, 10:31 am

    I love the rhetoric of the “expert” pundits who so astutely proclaim that the United States Government will never default on their debt obligations by acknowledging that the USA can cover any debt with newly printed money. For sure their expertly extruded pabulum will satisfy the likes of puddin’-head MSM anchors and the average, TV watchn’, non-thinking population of sheeple who make up the American electorate – none of whom seem to fathom the meaning of “currency debasement”. Personally, I’m not optimistic about the future of the world as we have known it. By the time the middle-class wakes up to the fact that they have just been raped in their sleep – it will be much too late…

    • Rick Ackerman August 9, 2011, 4:31 pm

      Unfortunately, Bernanke is the chief proponent of the quack idea that government can never “default” because it owns the printing presses.

  • John Galt III August 9, 2011, 10:08 am

    It looks like gold managed to tiptoe past $1728.

  • Benjamin August 9, 2011, 9:02 am

    “Although we lacked the imagination to envision bullion and Treasury paper as the last assets left standing, we always suspected that even the very smartest of the smart money would somehow get trapped. ”

    Exactly, Rick. Most smart money is trapped and will remain so throughout this depression. Late last week, I attempted to explain how and why this is and will be…

    http://www.rickackerman.com/2011/08/deflation-returns-with-a-thunderclap/#comment-24105

    If the Fed-monetized profits in Treasurys flee into gold, en masse, backwardation would result as credit dried up. This would kill the futures market first, followed by the spot market (though spot would remain on top, to reflect real demand).

    And to further assist big/smart money in making the wise choice, are the excessive tax rates (corporate profit and income). So, what monetized Treasury profits that do work up the courage to flee Treaurys, only enjoy higher taxes on profits from other things that have reduced profit potential baked in.

    The stand-off between Treasurys and bullion will not commence because of flights to safety issues. Rather, the crushing depression that has only just begun will force smart money folks to rethink their “survival strategy”. And to the extent that they fail that test, is the extent that dark times and revolt (meanigful and frivolous (mostly the latter) reign supreme.

    • Rick Ackerman August 9, 2011, 4:29 pm

      You’ve touched on a point I’ve tried to make here many times, Benjamin — that the course deflation/hyperinflation/deflation will take is unknowable because the speed at which capital will try to switch from one asset class to another, and the effect on prices with each attempted switch, is impossible to calculate.

  • Chris T. August 9, 2011, 7:56 am

    We’ve had negative real, after-tax interest rates for years.
    Unless the real rate is positive by the amount going to the IRS, the real, after-tax rate is negative.
    So, at most they are looking for a neg. real rate, but hut that’s just an even larger neg. after-tax real rates…

    If nominal rates were negative, would one get a refund from the IRS, commensurate with ones marginal tax rate?
    🙂

  • FranSix August 9, 2011, 6:38 am

    I don’t know. To say that inflation can’t go into bond prices and that for some reason some conspiracy is afoot just doesn’t wash. The real effort has been to keep short term nominal interest rates from going negative.

    “As we’ve stated on multiple occasions on FT Alphaville before, there’s much to the argument that the Fed hasn’t been keeping rates low all this time, but rather supported — largely through mechanisms like interest on reserves (IOR). All because top quality collateral is simply in such huge demand, that there is a collateral squeeze going on.

    Indeed, the Taylor rule has been implying negative interest rates for some time. And economists like Willem Buiter have been warning about the need to impose a negative rate for ages.”

    http://ftalphaville.ft.com/blog/2011/08/05/643796/introducing-the-2011-deposit-crisis/

  • Steve August 9, 2011, 6:29 am

    I’m not sure I understand this hyperinflation talk. Who’s wages are going up, and who is going to work at what job ? Is there more than 5% of the population that is gaining in held possessions, as in debtor in possession ? Oh ! I get inflating away by infringement, and slowly taking the lower class into higher tax brackets in corporate slavery. But, with 100k plus per month added to the welfare unemployment rolls – where is the wage pressure ? Sure, they added 117k jobs, but; that only means we fell in the hole 118k jobs as kids grow up, and young people leave college month to month. That rate fell from 9.2, but; only because of the amount of people who fell off the end of the unemployment wagon.

    The Fed gave 16T away in the last ‘2008’ debacle (Fed Audit last Thursday) and we got little inflation, and no sign what so ever of hyperinflation. How many trillion will the Fed need to print today ? 40T and still no hyper-inflation, no wage increases, no new jobs. Chinese may get some wage inflation, but; that means the cost of goods goes up for the people who have no jobs in the U.S. Do the Chinese go National with no exports or imports except raw materials, demanding their people take on debt via a spending orgy – how likely Mario ?

    Ya all writing/reading Rick’s Picks are what, 13,000/16,000 in 6 billion? Rick’s readers have the ability to buy gold and silver, but; 13,000/16,000 out of 6 billion (300m U.S.) who can honestly buy gold or silver without a credit card – really ! Who among us is debt free, so that a purchase of PM is not encumbered by a general and paramount LIEN ?

    I look forward to some information from Mario because the Chinese people are saving and can buy gold. If a U.S. citizen buys gold it will go on a credit card. Not only that, if the guvermut thinks the masses are starting to hoard – they will come knocking to take the P.M. with a new law forcing the people into a cashless society where a debit card rules. Nothing like a BIG PROBLEM to bring forward a pre-written law.

    Is it legal to take an Oregon Trail Welfare Card and buy gold and silver ?

    Who is buying the gold ? Think BIG GOVERNMENT. Most here have bought and some continue to buy – great idea. Figure out how to hold onto that PM once hoarding is outlawed – heck one might find anti-hoarding laws on the books under the former Clinton monarch in succession.

    16T into the system in about 3 years and no new jobs, barely any inflation, and certainly no increased American wages. After 16T the Greeks, the Irish, the Italians, Spain; who else is bankrupt and in default ?

    I’ll say it again 16T already in system and no hyper-inflation, barely any inflation, and no U.S. jobs to keep China exporting. Will China go National Mario ? Or, is this the move to bring about a global currency?

    • Rick Ackerman August 9, 2011, 8:14 am

      I’ve accepted that there is a very simple path to hyperinflation: Everyone wakes up one morning desperately wanting, for whatever reason, to exchange dollars for anything that has perceived value.

      Concerning how Americans will buy Gold, your credit card theory has a lot going for it. Unfortunately.

    • Benjamin August 9, 2011, 9:34 am

      Rick: “Concerning how Americans will buy Gold, your credit card theory has a lot going for it. Unfortunately.”

      But once it is discovered that places like APMEX are raking in mega-profits (they accept and even require a credit card, last I checked), the credit card companies will just stop issuing new cards and probably revoke existing ones (even if the user keeps them full). See my post, below, concerning backwardation and trapped money. For every ounce of gold and silver bought on credit card (the credit itself “secured” by the “security” of government debt), the creditors lose their future “profitability”. That is why I think gold and silver via credit card is destined to be nixed. In exchange for that…

      Credit cards become less common, perhaps disappearing entirely. And people who otherwise wouldn’t have done so, get some gold and silver. At least until, as Steve said, the repo hounds come a’lookin’. But such a thing could very well be what begins the next Revolution. I don’t know if you’ve noticed or not, but of late I’ve been seeing APMEX “buy gold!” ads _all over the place_. And if I recall, APMEX sells only to U.S. residents. So, there’s apparently a domestic demand that has exploded in recent months (maybe years).

      All we can do is wait and see…

      &&&&&

      I was being facetious, Ben, since no one will be able to buy gold – to buy anything — with ‘plastic’ in a credit collapse. If true this would tend to inhibit demand for gold, since it may be affordable only for those with life-sustaining necessities to trade. It’s worth mentioning that all of the Reichsmarks in circulation at the apogee of the Weimar hyperinflation supposedly would not have bought a single ounce of gold. RA

    • John Jay August 9, 2011, 3:02 pm

      Steve,
      I think out of those 117,000 “jobs” added, 60,000 were from the smoke and mirrors “birth/death” adjustment. Then, subtract the immigrants let in here with “work visas” and the illegal aliens and we very likely are going backwards. The labor participation rate is hitting long time lows as well.
      It is getting harder and harder for TPTB to pretend we have a functioning economy. Now our military is worried about all the foreign made computer chips they use in weapons systems, even nuclear weapons.
      They might contain a trojan horse or go inert when they need to be working.
      Great idea that offshoring

    • Steve August 9, 2011, 5:51 pm

      Rick, I agree there is a possibility that everyone wakes up one day and wants to buy THINGS. (much of what is going on with gold, except the masses cannot play the game) Exactly how many creditors are there in the U.S. who could pull notes from under the bed to buy things? With a bank run, or credit card run the government is going to limit withdrawals instantly. (I do not see people using cash in the stores, only plastic) It would appear that the only ones able to buy THINGS to drive prices up would be the few that have cash stashed at home. Hyperinflation is still defined as increasing wages chasing too little product @ 30% a year for 5 years. I can see and compare the way gold spikes to a top and then freefalls as the example of what would happen as the masses used every federal reserve note they possess to buy things in the span of a few days. Then, there are no more dollars to chase the products and prices crash well below the mean of a few days before. The end result is that there will be no dollars in the span of a few days to purchase anything for the masses. Without wage increases there is nothing to support the explosive rise in prices for more than a few days. (it is not likely wages, or employment numbers will increase) Maybe the top 5% would continue somehow to chase THINGS. That would leave the masses with only the option to riot in the streets and hunt down the 5%.

  • Chris T. August 9, 2011, 6:21 am

    Mario, a question:

    Your post above seems to call China the next Asian bubble, which seems right.
    But you’ve been so bullish on the place for so long, how does that work.

    Then, what do you mean by sterilization:
    That the Chinese have, somehow, lowered the full brunt of imported inlfation by allowing their currency to move up, slightly, against the dollar?
    And thus, that they will move to fully inflate with the dollar?

    Or do you mean that they are sterilizing the natural upward pressure on their currency in general, by keeping up with the dollar (in other words, not bothering about a little revaluation here or there…)?

    Of course, your last point about the middle/lower classes stateside suffering most is spot on, though, the middle class will be the worse off: they have something to lose, the poor not really.

    This ties in with the anti-paul post from ben yesterday:
    He, like the left wing/left liberals, is against those things that can really start curing, which would actually help the bottom 80%, all the while believing he is their ideological champion.

    Just like Krugman, with the only difference being that the smart ones like that misguided Paul, or ben’s namesake from Princeton, actually dont’ believe what they say, serving their real masters with useful prose to fool the masses.

  • Terry S August 9, 2011, 5:47 am

    “How could debt not be about to go parabolic now that Congress has discovered that the debt ceiling can be raised without exacting a fiscal price, or even a political one?” Aargh!, but a political price thar be, Matey. (Downgrade cocktail, anyone?)

    • Rick Ackerman August 9, 2011, 8:12 am

      I think there will be a price to pay somewhere down the road, Terry, but for now I can’t see any big losers — other than Obama, whose re-election odds may have sunk from a longshot bet to a distant longshot.

  • John Jay August 9, 2011, 3:59 am

    It should be quite a show as the government support for every sector of our economy gets pulled.
    The municipal governments are already going under.
    The States are broke and getting broker by the day.
    Fannie, Freddie, FHA, Section 8, and the mortgage deduction are holding up a battered real estate market.
    Student Loans are holding up a superfluous higher education market.
    Medicare/Medicaid are supporting our healthcare and health insurance industry.
    The MIC, it has the last good paying factory jobs for aircraft, ship, missile, etc. manufacturing.
    Add to the MIC, everyone working for the military, CIA, NSA, ICE, ATF.
    GS/JPM etc. would have gone under without the money extorted from Uncle Sam.
    Not much left here that can make it on it’s own merit.
    Once the Dollar is shunned by the rest of the world, I look for a vicious search for revenue as everyone battles for the shrinking pool of government money.
    That’s Entertainment!

    • SD1 August 9, 2011, 4:34 am

      Not to mention the recent news surrounding the Bank of America this evening. Rick mentioned BAC with this comment on June 15th:

      “For proprietary reasons, I did not display in today’s commentary a weekly chart of Bank of America that shows so clearly why it is headed for the zero axis. The chart is included here, however, so that you can see for yourself how compelling the technical picture is. What is surprising is that we have heard so little about evidently grave problems at the bank as its shares have fallen by more than 80 percent. A silent crash? The chart speaks for itself.”

      Yet another great call from RA.

  • Mario cavolo August 9, 2011, 3:51 am

    Good morning all,

    Crystal clear Rick…superb commentary.

    With that said I do want to point out the other main influence and factor as we consider the issues. For example, as Charles above quipped about buying gold instead of GE…. Hold on a minute. This ignore the reality that America is no longer America; not politically, not economically, and not geographically. Through the fortune 500 companies, much of america’s strength is now part ofmthe rising global economy… The rise of Asia led by china, the rise of the BRIC countries.

    Yes certainly america’s problems will be a drag on global growth driven primarily by China’s rise. But as many do agree here, from a global point of view, this downdraft is a buying opportunity into a sweet yielding dividend portfolio of globally divsified companies. I’ll, strictly for fun, call the bottom at rick’s DOW 9500ish. When China, whose hand is being forced, starts to loosen up again and imminently adjusts its economic policy drivers, do BE on
    board that equities train to the sky…

    We all need to be very cautious of having too narrow a view and of giving too much meaning to correlations which have shifted.

    Cheers, Mario
    Cheers, Mario

    • easyEE August 9, 2011, 8:55 am

      agreed.

      If the cause of this rout is loss of faith in currency, then where is a logical place to go to preserve value? Would producing assets not be attractive?

  • Bill August 9, 2011, 2:30 am

    Riddle me this batmen . . .
    If this is truly a world meltdown then no country escapes untarnished from the balance sheets of the US & Europe, especially if the US tries to hyper-inflate its way out of our debt and Europe just implodes.
    If one wants to play this debacle with currencies instead of gold then this sell off and run for ‘quality’ is creating an opportunity in the relatively strong currencies – Aust. dollar, NZ dollar, Canadian dollar etc. So far these currencies have not fallen like they did in the ’08 debacle but there is still more selling to go here that could precipitate further foreign currency selling. If so, I like the currencies.
    Lastly, what about the Yuan? What’s the thinking or lack of thinking on the Yuan getting un-pegged?
    Thanks anyone & all – –

    • Mario cavolo August 9, 2011, 4:07 am

      Right Bill, note that it is the Asian currencies which will continuento rise, take a look at the usd/STD chart. By the playing the multinational dividend paying companies, you essentially ARE playing the currencies, make sense? Specifically on the yuan, with china we are headed for another japan / Taiwan bubble. Looking for any indications that they shift from their current policy of sterilization will be the harbinger, should it occur, which is likely…

      Back more on point to Rick,s commentary today, yes all of this will indeed be inflationary / hyper inflationary. While of course the lower classes always suffer such gyrations, no group will suffer relatively
      more so than the declining American lower/ middle
      classes with nowhere to hide or adjust. Geez, it’s upsetting…

    • Mario cavolo August 9, 2011, 4:10 am

      Typo…hat’s usd/sgd …. Singapore currency… A reasonable proxy to the yuan…

  • Chris T. August 9, 2011, 2:18 am

    RIck, a question:
    “…to envision bullion and Treasury paper as the last assets left standing, ”

    Isn’t that ultimately John Exters pyramid, and things progressing as he laid out so long ago, from top to bottom, one layer collapsing onto/into the one below?

    Since US debt is the top of the bond heap, it is at the bottom of the bond layer in that pyramid, sandwichiing cash with gold below…

  • mark August 9, 2011, 2:07 am

    gold is screaming higher as some $$ is leaving equities and moving into the relic. do you care to ponder what will happen to the price of gold when real $$ leaves bonds and heads into gold? that still lies ahead,and the bond market,i believe, is substantially larger than the equities market

  • charles August 9, 2011, 12:26 am

    And who would have ever thought a year ago that at $1700 we could buy gold and still feel better about it than buying GE? I certainly would not have, but I bought more Eagles today and will sleep more soundly than Timmy Boy, I’ll bet!

  • charles August 9, 2011, 12:10 am

    I’d rather be in Swiss francs and PM’s than U.S. Treasury vehicles. Old habits die hard! It’s time to shuffle into real things. This thing is coming apart and anything on paper cannot be trusted. Let me feel it with my fingers! Full faith and credit of the U.S Treasury? WTF is that???
    Good luck to all, and God Bless us, every one!
    You too, Rick!