A Warning to All You Gleeful Permabears

With stocks plummeting in January, of all months, it’s tempting to think something in the big picture has changed, or is about to. The evidence becomes even more compelling with the apparent reversal in gold and silver.  Bullion prices have been in a relentless downtrend for more than two years, but they seem, finally, to be getting traction. If their reversal portends an economic sea change, what could possibly be its cause?  A plausible explanation is that Obamacare, by far the biggest new tax ever imposed on Americans, is starting to take its toll. Burdened by health insurance premiums that have been doubling or even tripling for some households, and with astronomical deductibles that leave millions of ACA enrollees more vulnerable than ever to bankruptcy in a medical emergency, consumers have beaten a hasty retreat to their bunkers. If so, The Great Recession is about to resume with 1930s vengeance.

Moreover, and putting aside the painful impact of Obamacare on individuals, let’s not overlook the fact that the ACA has pushed a nearly 20% swath of the U.S. economy into chaos, if not to say, to the brink of collapse. Considering that uncertainty is the one thing Wall Street supposedly cannot abide, perhaps we should be wondering why the Dow is not trading 5000 points lower rather than a mere 400.

Bullion’s Rally Worrisome

An imploding economy would not explain the firming of bullion prices that has occurred in recent weeks, however.  Gold and silver have been so weak for so long that it’s difficult to imagine that they are moving higher now merely in reaction to the stock market’s relatively rare bout of weakness. We might conclude that if the precious metals sector has in fact embarked on a new bull market, something more dramatic than falling share prices and recession must be looming on the horizon.

From a technical standpoint, however, there is as yet insufficient evidence to suggest that the bull market begun in 2009 is over. Yes, it’s a matter of record that I encouraged subscribers to buy put options after the S&Ps hit an important long-term rally target on the last trading day of 2013.  That was intended as a short-term trade, however, and it was done in such a way that the puts options we still own effectively cost us nothing.  If it turns out that we timed the onset of a bear market perfectly, as some subscribers evidently believe, then coincidence and luck will have played a role.

Meanwhile, last week’s refreshing selloff on Wall Street did not change my mind about the prospect of higher highs in the months ahead, after this presumptive correction has run its course.  My gut feeling is that the bull market is not dead – that the brazen financial fraud that has sustained it for nearly five years is intact. Nor will the torrent of Other People’s Money that has supported reckless buying by fund managers have abated sufficiently to kill the bull.  [Full disclosure: The foregoing was inspired in part by the drive I took yesterday along the ocean highway from Delray to Palm Beach. There were more Ferraris, Lamborghinis, Porsches and Maseratis than one could shake a stick at.]

One More Fabulous, Stupid Rally?

Bottom line, I still see at least one more massive, blithely oblivious rally before Wall Street’s amazing hoax achieves a proper climax. To that end, my Dow target remains 17622, more than 1700 points above current levels.  We can revel in put-option profits in the meantime as Mr. Market coaxes forth a healthy does of fear and dread with this correction. However, permabears would be wise not to take their eyes off the nasty little sonofabitch while it’s falling, since, even if this is a bear market, the rallies are bound to be real doozies.

  • VILE VLAD February 3, 2014, 12:46 am

    on a weirder note,
    which I do not believe, 46-yr philip s. hoffman appears to have offed himself today,
    accidentally, on an overdose of injected heroin, with a needle found stuck in arm.

    I don’t buy it. he was too smart to make that kind of mistake, he was a vet drug user.
    so IMO, I think he was offed by some 1%er he pissed off. possibly by film ‘the master.’

    so hats off to hoffman. one of the top film actors of alltime.

  • Rick Ackerman February 1, 2014, 9:58 pm

    So Christie’s political career is over because of a traffic jam, but Hillary and Barry continue to evade responsibility for the four Americans who died in Benghazi. However things play out, the unmitigated pond scum at The New York Times and MSNBC are simply executing their game plan: pick off GOP frontrunners like ducks in a shooting gallery until 2016. Same as the last election. Maybe that’s why, out of the blue, Huckabee is being talked about by GOPers as a prospect. He’ll make an excellent decoy, assuming the MSM buys the story.

    Regarding those Benghazi murders, here’s something you won’t read in The Times:

    http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/colonel-phil-handley/betrayal-in-benghazi/

    ps: Incidentally, we agree about the kind of guy Christie is.

    • gary leibowitz February 2, 2014, 7:42 pm

      You can’t equate a specific illegal action done by Christie with one that had unintentional consequences, even if it was shown to be incompetent leadership. Perhaps you didn’t realize that there were hundreds of hot-spots that the terrorists could attack on 9/11. If it happened in Egypt or Saudi Arabia the reaction would be the same, we should have seen it coming. Do you think that there weren’t a large number of warnings around the globe for that day?

      Looking at some cyclical repetitive patterns it now seems that this year could turn into a deeper drop than I originally thought possible. There is an 8 year, 40 year and 120 year Cress Cycle termination date that points to 2014 as the bottom. It would be interesting to see how it plays out. If by the end of 2014 1500 on the SPX doesn’t get taken out, I would conclude we have a few more years of upside. That is still my preferred assumption.

      • Craig February 2, 2014, 11:33 pm

        Damn Gary,

        Your still at it huh?

        In regards to Benghazi….funniest Joke I have heard was Zimmerman was going to change his name to Benghazi so the media would stop talking about him.

        Yes if any repulican fainted and hit their head and could not testify then the media would never stop question their health and say they were to unhealthy to serve. Republicans are paid off/blackmailed controlled opposition anyway to give us hope.

        As far as Benghazi….that was a hit on the ambassador because he was getting cold feet about shipping the weapons that we aided al CIAda in Lybia with to Syria to help Al CIAda there out of the embassy. A few seals at a CIA black site ran a mile to help and died, had they lived they would have been court martialed for not following orders. The orders were to stand down and that’s why some of the admirals on the ships of off Libya stepped down. They are purging the highest ranks of the military of anyone that won’t play ball…just like every dictator does before a take over. Scariest thing is most of the purges are Nuclear commanders. Look it up and decide for yourself what is going on. And Gary you have to be a paid shill, no one on earth has this much energy to be wrong and defend criminals every day for years on just one site…one word TRAITOR, that’s what you are, to the USA and mankind. Your work does help us thou because your BS is so bad it wakes others up to the truth…your just annoying to us that are awake…keep it up my friend…you probably steer more people to the truth everyday the any of us because your so pathetic.

  • gary leibowitz February 1, 2014, 12:36 am

    I thought the QE program was our downfall. Now it’s time to move on? Perhaps it was the worry that the rate of the 10 year note would cause havoc? As Andy pointed out, the slide in interest rates has been going on for decades. It now appears that the mortgage implosion was not the catalyst for deflation. Looks like the advent of credit expansion be it the plastic card, leasing, easy loans, toxic bundling, repeal of Glass-Steagall and the like, was the real culprit.

    Breaking current news looks to be explosive. The loveable cuddly NJ Governor with his innocent heartfelt 2 hour extravaganza news conference, might go down. The bully that was loved by New Jerseyans might have to give up his local throne, and also dash hopes of bullying the world. Now that piece of news made my day! He was the spokesman for a new type of politician. One where you can shout down your opposition and humiliate them into submission. Gee, it was only 4 days before the explosive email news came out that he actually laughed at the notion that his administration had any knowledge. He even went so far as to perpetuate the notion that is was a traffic study. The news media certainly lacks backbone dating back to the WMD coverage. Good thing this was politically motivated. Moral of the story is you don’t mess with political parties. If it involved non-political activities we would never get to the bottom of it. Chris can mess with teachers, unions, reporters, but don’t ever give your political opponent opportunity to take you out.

    • Dan Hilbert February 1, 2014, 11:49 pm

      If the main stream media was really doing its job the so called ‘scandals” of the administration would be seen for the political hits by the right that they really are. For example, did you know that the senior general of the US Africa Command twice offered to send additional security personnel to the consulate, and twice Ambassador Stevens declined the offer, saying he preferred to work with the local militias? I read that exactly once in the LA Times. Did you know that NY Times reporters interviewed militia leaders in Benghazi who gave first person accounts of the fact that the infamous video was definitely a factor in ramping up the anger of the local radicals?? I read that one time only in the NY Times.Contrary to RW assertion, the main stream media needs to do a much better job of fact presentation and less cowering in front of the right wing spin/get even machine. The Christie Administration directly punishes thousands of people to settle a political score and the bullying RW defends that by saying its so “manly”. Same s**t elsewhere too…they can send thousands of Americans to die in foreign lands in wars that were based on lies and spend trillions of dollars so that the no contract cronies win big while they willfully pass legislation that snatch morsels of food from hungry American children. Why does RW hate America so much? I expect mobster Christie to be out of office in the next 3 months and be behind bars within a year.

  • VILE VLAD January 31, 2014, 7:54 pm

    couple of things struck me last night, re what I wrote above yesterday, re current IIA’s highest bull/bear ratio (4/1), in 26 years. because I counted it back last night, and, exactly 26.30 years ago, takes you back to—- oct. 19 1987 crash.

    which I am very familiar with, since I lived it day to day. and I recall, that the few weeks before 22.6% ‘black monday’ crash day, stocks started dropping 1%, 2% daily, with swift short little counter rallies; however, the major trend was impulvely changing, slowly, from major bull, to major bear.

    and no one believed back then, just like today, that the major 5 year bull from the mid-80’s (yes, 5 year bull, margin gorged to the hilt, just like now), would ever end.

    to finish this story, I also remember clearly that the prior week before the monday crash day, the percentage drops increased (4 out the 5 days, if I recall correctly) to more whopping daily drops of 4% and 5% (as further and further ‘margin calls’, were triggered). so, by the weekend, everybody worldwide was in a state of panic, and all of them decided, it seems, to sell on monday, and—with ‘market’ orders.

    baddd… decision. yet, that’s real live panic for you.

    however, right now, no one even recalls the panic of 2008, and much less the panic’s of 2000, or even less, the panic’s of 1987, nor of 1929. and all those sudden panics were created by massive excessive credit, combined with uber confidence, that the market cannot ever fall again, just like it’s currently showing, by the IIA’s highest bull/bear ratio, of 4/1, highest since the oct. 29, 1987 crash.

    so I expect a lot of suicides soon.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Monday_(1987)

    btw, I also noticed something last night, and I don’t know if this means anything, but I think it is interesting.
    the GOLDEN RATIO of .618 (and ever spiraling 1.618, 2.618, etc.) , found in nature, repeatedly, and also found in the fibonnacci ratio, is very close to the distance in time, right now, of being 26.30 years away (26.18 ratio), to the crash of oct. 29, 1987.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio

    all that said, I will again be my own devil’s advocate, and state that is very strong triple peak resistance, in 15,500 dji area (and clearly shaped in the dangerous pattern of ‘3 peaks and a domed house’, on the 1-yr chart), coupled with also now crossing the 200 day ma, also riding past that area right now.

    so I expect a strong few days next week bounce to low 16000 area, from which the impulsive falling should swiftly resume, and this time, should slice right through the strong support of 15,500 dji and the 200 day ma, and when the 200 day breaks impulsively—as many old vet advisors pull out their clients asap into 100% cash (the aden sisters and richard russell types, for example), so, this adds further to the impulsive selling.

    and before you know it, and only a few days, the dji stands at 14,500 area, a 1000 point drop. and I consider this area, of 14,500, the market’s true rubicon, in terms of margin calls.

    because if 14,500 dji also gives, theres is really no support until 12,500-13,000 area. and if that does not hold either, then—look for 10,000-10,500, where there is both huge chart and 5-digit psychological support.

    but I am getting ahead of myself, here, so let’s wait for the mini-rally from 15,600 to low 16000’s, then the big drop (I think dji is already in this mini-rebound, as of today’s drop to 15,613) slicing through the 200 day ma, like rotted bernanke fed cheese.

    and then, dji should get to 14,500 area lickety split. and like I already wrote above, IMO, 14,500 dji, is true rubicon; sothen, we’ll see how the mega-ugly mini-mouse yellen compares to caesar, in crossing it. haha.

    and let’s also hope, for the sake of her even further ugliness, that she doesn’t have to grow a beard like bernanke, to not be recognized on nyc streets.

    • Mario February 2, 2014, 8:18 am

      Lots of leverage these days, but when in any of those past crash events were interest rates as low as they are now?

      Historical comparisons sound adorable and interesting on the surface to demonstrate correlation, but that’s about it looking at today’s variables across the globe. If any expert prediction gets it right, it will be by dumb luck they will claim their place as a market guru with their face on the cover of Time.

  • Andy Gutterman January 31, 2014, 3:43 pm

    The 10 year note, on a 7 and 25 year log chart.

    http://www.booktrakker.com/Economy/InterestRate.jpg

    Andy

  • Andy Gutterman January 31, 2014, 3:42 pm

    Another view, posted on Market Oracle, by Lacy Hunt. He does these articles every three months, I really (don’t) look forward to reading them.

    http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article44183.html

    Second, the money multiplier, which reflects the conversion of bank reserves into deposits (money) by the banking system, fell to a new 100 year low of less than 3 in late December 2013. This is an indication that the Fed’s Large Scale Asset Purchases (LSAP) are not currently producing real, tangible economic effects and are not likely to in the future. Since 1913, $1 of high-powered money has, on average, resulted in an increase of $8.20 of M2 (Chart 4). The current multiplier constitutes an unprecedented historical gap. To begin the process of accelerating economic growth from a monetary perspective, an increase in the multiplier would be necessary. The best indicator of whether this process is working would be the expansion of bank credit, which includes bank investments and bank loans. Unfortunately, the expansion of total bank credit is only 2.0% higher than a year ago, and bank loans have expanded by only 1.9%. In spite of the Fed’s massive LSAP, M2 expanded at a slightly slower pace in the latest twelve months than it did in 2012.

    See my next message for a chart of the 10 year note. My prediction stands. We will see less than 1% before we see 4%.

    Andy

  • Mario January 31, 2014, 11:23 am

    Permabears be reminded that all our areas of concern, and there are plenty, are however occurring within a backdrop of the greatest, largest, gargantuan, unprecedented, big ass proportion ever: a global sized rise of a new middle class to the tune of one billion people across various emerging markets led by China’s expanding 400 million. That’s a boatload of economic global power so considering the Spx is a global index, you might want to relax. In the case of that overnight banking nuclear bomb, none of our musings here will have mastered at all. Until then, it doesn’t take much to grasp a realistic understanding of the global economic picture and adjust your sights accordingly as best you can for you and your family’s and business’ future.

    Cheers, Mario

    • Sam January 31, 2014, 3:59 pm

      Yo Mario – xian nian kuai le!

      Indeed, spontaneously imploding economy aside, this ‘economy’ thing could grind on for decades.

      One thing I can be sure of is the resistance of certain people – what used to be strategic third-world (India, China), built of hardship and survival – will carry on carrying on.

      • Mario January 31, 2014, 5:28 pm

        Year of the Horse Sam!…it’s starting off right…

      • Mario February 2, 2014, 7:57 am

        Gary my line of thought here is derived from my currently reading Thomas Friedman’s Hot, Flat and Crowded. It’s easy to recognize that the U.S. is, while significant on the global landscape, not the center of the earth as it was until around 2005 or so when the global financial and technology driven shift became apparent. The 2008 debacle only served to further catalyze that shift and exacerbate the Asia Pacific rise led by China.

        Meanwhile it is critical for any observer to correctly realize that China’s needed domestic economic shift has already occurred. It boggles my mind when I read current media starting that China “still” needs to rebalance its economy, reign in overdependence on its SOE sector, investment driven infrastructure and real estate development. It already has done so and continues in that direction. As I share from CLSA investment research co., tertiary industry is now larger than both primary and secondary; meaning, China’s private enterprise sector is now a higher % of official GDP than the manufacturing sector and agriculture / commodity sector including SOEs. It is also more profitable and continues with steady growth.

        There’s not too much reason to expect any significant change to the future picture including continued steady slowing of growth over the next 5 years. As in the west, the banking sector is overleveraged but in their ability to respond effectively, Beijing has plenty of money to throw at it as needed along with a diverse set of policy based measures at their fingertips. I’m no expert historian and I don’t take sides politically as to how a country might be governed , but we can see this is one moment in history when a country’s central govt is getting it mostly right. We’ll see how the next ten years unfolds…

        Cheers, Mario

        Cheers, Mario

    • gary leibowitz January 31, 2014, 6:49 pm

      Interesting take. While Asian markets are still doing well they still depend on the EU and USA. China doesn’t have to contract to cause problems world wide. if they slow down the pace of growth it could be enough for this fragile recovery to take hold. China has to deal with developing bubbles of their own. I expect their Government will try to create a soft landing by purposely containing growth.

      As for domestic growth we are definitely seeing a one-sided pattern. Consumers are getting back to the over-spending living standard. The previous pattern of job expansion and wage expansion has been missing for 5 years now. This is just another form of Greed. Corporations had 5 years of spectacular earnings. You would think they would eventually pass on that growth to their employees. The see-saw expectation on the market moves is already happening. There are big winners and losers in this quarters earnings. Since the earning season is just about over, and a huge influx of liquidity is in equities, I expect the lows of this correction to happen by end of next week. The big question is do we have left one more rally? I still think so.

    • Mario February 2, 2014, 8:01 am

      Gary, sorry forgot to note, yes they are doing exactly as you said…a variety of measures at their disposal to purposely contain growth, manage / respond to issues…Beijing has far more flexibility in this regard than Washington.

  • VILE VLAD January 31, 2014, 12:17 am

    bottomline, here is what I see.

    on one side, I see this—
    1.
    dah ussa presidant executive orders, over last 3 years, dismissing all of usa’s constitution–
    right to your land’s water source, right to your supplies, right to your land’s produce,
    right to all your property, right to life, right to habeas corpus, right to jury by peers,
    right to privacy, right to home sanctity, right to self defense, right to meet peaceably,
    right of not being detained without due process, right of not being tortured in questioning,
    right to be respected as citizen, and not being fondled and strip-searched at airports—

    right to live, in america the free, land of the brave—and not being treated, like a govt. pet.

    2.
    and that’s not even talkin about recent ‘rendition’, where you can be tortured at will,
    or, about 2 BI-llion bullets, bought by your ussa gov 3 years ago, and most hollowpoint,
    nor, about the many fema concentration-type detention camps created, all over your ussa.

    hum. does anyone get the big picture. of your soon-forthcoming future. all of you.
    all of you that have something to take from. just remember–50% of you, have nothing.
    and most dangerous creature on earth, is an ignorant enraged human, with nothing to lose.
    and 50% of you, and that’s over 150 million of you amerikanus extinctus, are there already.

    so again, I repeat, read ‘lucifer’s hammer’. it is the best guide, to prepare, for what’s coming.

    3.
    yet, on other side, there is a booming crazed bullshhtt ussa market, to distract you,
    and there is that CIA snowden dirty nasty ‘traitor,’ to distract you ‘wag the dog’ style,
    anytime the hiphop big-eared afrikan-amerikan presidant, oversteps his bounds,
    yet—you all still listen to him, and analyse his punk bernanke’s in-your-face thieveries,
    but yu’all—do notin’. so, are there any madam defarges among you? or, patrick henrys?
    maybe later. when most of you join the 50% currently with nothing at all. even ruger rick.

    because your broke broker ain’t gonna pay you. and your broke bank, even less.
    when the suckin sound vaccuum, of no market value, occurs overnight. bet on it.
    and it’s just around the bend. because from all I read today, I have upped my %,
    that the major top is already in, from 20 I had before, to 33%. yep. I think that,
    the top of tops, has 1 third of a chance, that it is already in the cards. multiple factors.

    and here are 2 new ones.

    1.
    investors intellegence advisors are currently most bullish on the last 26 years, at a ratio of
    4 bulls for 1 bear. and yes, this includes 2000, and 2008.

    2.
    the ussa federal reserve total STATED ‘capital’ on their books, is only a mere 55 billion.
    meanwhile, their supposed fed reserve total ‘assets’, is now, as you all know, up to 4 trillion.
    according to ewi. a never seen before, 73-1 leveraged ratio. therefore, if rates slightly back up—
    http://www.elliottwave.com/freeupdates/archives/2014/01/28/Could-the-Fed-Face-Big-Losses.aspx#axzz2ruWgXwNe

    3.
    I keep repeating—greatest BORROWING of alltime (much worse than 2007), to get mega-leveraged, by individuals, OPM institutions, derivative banks, et al.
    recipe for INSTANT UNEXPECTED overnight disaster. with multiple triggers worldwide.

    so, rick, maybe all WILL end, with a ‘camouflaged’ whimper, and not a big bang.
    so I have just moved my possibility of that, today, from 20 percent, up to 33 percent.
    however, I won’t even go near 50% probability, until 14,500 dji is broken strongly.

    again I repeat, I am just an observer, for I have already lost all I could ‘afford to lose,’ and more.

  • Iro Noiro January 30, 2014, 7:07 pm

    “The Fed’s recent move away from quantitative easing, has signaled that this era of imaginary extraordinarily loose domestic U.S. monetary policy will come to an end. This is making investors rethink once again and the DEMAND for dollars has not subsided. This is putting pressure causing the collapse in emerging markets that is supported by two trends in China – (1) an economic slowdown and (2) flight of capital from China buying property around the world.” – Martin A. Armstrong. “The Paradox of the Dollar and the Crash.” Armstrong Economics, Jan. 26, 2014

    • C.C. January 30, 2014, 8:06 pm

      I wonder how the ‘flight of capital’ from China buying property around the world’, squares with the simultaneous amassing of physical gold by the State itself…? And I wonder about the 10 year – seemingly caught in a triangle choke below 3%, and how IRS swaps and overnight FRA’s keep it there… And I wonder about the East China Sea and trigger points that might nudge China closer to the nuclear option (no, not ‘that’ option) – I’m talking about the Real Deal – pegging the Yuan to gold, effectively calling out the Treasury and the Fed to disclose U.S. gold holdings.

      Meanwhile, I guess it’s ‘King Dollar’ again for a while…? Until the market cries ‘uncle’ – smack dab in the middle of a key election year for Democrats…? Hmmm…

    • gary leibowitz January 30, 2014, 9:00 pm

      You managed to turn around the most pressing negative argument this board had, that of using QE, and decided that they are damned if they do, or damned if they don’t.

      The demand for dollars has not subsided simply because there are other currencies that are not doing as well on the supposed road to recovery. While China is a potential problem you must remember that their expansion is still intact. A slowdown is needed for them to prevent bubble markets. The EU is actually seeing better recoveries than anticipated.

      Looks like the taper is not causing rates to rise and dollar flight. If congress continues deficit reductions and QE going away, we could actually see a “normal” recovery. This is still too early to tell. As for Martin Armstrong his expectations are already way off. There are no gurus out there that can foresee how the market will behave. At best they can give a generalized timetable of long bull and bear waves.

      Earnings ups and downs has once again caused a roller-coaster ride in Quarter One. I might once again be wrong but I expect this correction is not over just based on duration. We could see another week of seesaw moves with the lows falling into the 1750’s range. Yet again we could have already seen them. In either event it looks like just a normal correction pattern where we still have momentum for one more big rally.

      Most everyone’s scenario on how these last 12 months will play out have been wrong. I still see this year as a recovery year on the economic front, but corporate earnings will be tested due to too optimistic projections and higher costs. In any case the odds favor a decent correction once the top is established.

      Your ever present naïve investor was taken aback by FB’s earnings. I knew their mobile advertising segment would do OK, but they have blow away any doubters on their dominant power to pull in the cash.
      The recent article declaring their audience will disappear in 3 short years remains to be seen. This is no Goggle, but as a social media giant it remains to be seen if they can adapt to changing trends.

    • Mario January 31, 2014, 11:12 am

      I’ve previously spoken of China’s capital flight overseas to invest, buy property. However as a percentage of available capital in China, it’s still a tiny blip, not a stat useful or relevant in analysis of China’s state of affairs economically. China’s domestic expansion in general is something we can all count on for the next 20 years…a recent Economist article points out up nicely though you’ll need to go fish for the link, not in front of me.

      Cheers, Mario

  • Dan Hilbert January 30, 2014, 3:27 am

    Dear Rick…visiting this site after many a full moon, ever since i forgot you when you were sure of romney’s win. And you compounded that by not taking the 5:1 odds bet offered to you the mitt will be toast regardless of the bubble you were in….and you are an options gambling man. so your credibility hit rock bottom with me then. thought i’ll hit you up and see what conspiracy theories are rattling around in your backyard. sure enough its ACA and its ludicrous connection to the stock market. but here’s the deal…why are EM’s in a funk…they have no ACA to deal with.

    &&&&&&

    Yeah, Dan, I thought Romney was going to win. And now I think I’m going to slit my wrists, since the error apparently wrecked what credibility I had with you. RA

    • Redwilldanaher January 30, 2014, 5:19 pm

      Comments like Dan’s are why I visit Rick’s forum. That kind of stupid, that is to be found nearly everywhere else, is relative rarity here.

  • VILE VLAD January 30, 2014, 12:42 am

    got to say, site is getting boring.
    everybody is so subdued, I think,
    by hushed stillness, of what’s coming.

    I have several things to say, on that vein.
    but I am absorbing, all’s exhaustion.
    so I will say this. just one thing.

    notice the govt propaganda desperation, in this link, vs even holding, any ussa paper dollars.
    would have made goebbels proud, in it’s subtlety, plus at same time, it’s hammered in note.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsAGsSoiG84

    and I am too tired, to chew it up for you, if you can’t see it, it’s crystal clear, obvious, as can be.
    many subtle manipulating points in it–so study each one. for only orwell, betters this, by far.

    and all it says to me, is—run for hills, asap. with as many of grubby dirty dollars, as you can.

  • VILE VLAD January 29, 2014, 11:50 pm

    meanwhile, back at the old hacienda, here is what your arrogant hip-hop president
    is doing with you tax dollars; or should I say, daily ‘created out of thin air’, new dollars.

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/us-looks-ways-prevent-spying-spying-201245107–finance.html

    ’cause, instead of this hip-hop president, stopping his spying on his betters, the ussa citizens,
    nope, he has one-upped his spying, by studying ways, with your children’s future dollars,
    of blocking all ways, his spying ways, can be seen, by any others, across the board.

    “US looks at ways to prevent spying on its spying”
    is the title of the article, about your hiphop presidant WATCHIN YOU.
    and trying to avoid, anyone else, WATCHIN HIM, watchin you.

    so back to his hiphop, gangnam-style. he’s entertaining, here it is:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaXakwslF6Q

    • redwilldanaher January 30, 2014, 5:49 am

      Agree that Presidenete Narcississtico’s spending to prevent being detected when spying made me sicker than the typical sickening headline that covers what he is up to.

    • Jason S January 30, 2014, 6:58 pm

      Yep, makes me feel good that they are working hard to prevent someone from watching the Watchers. We so deserve what we are going to get.

  • Andy Gutterman January 29, 2014, 3:56 pm

    Harry S. Dent sucks at forecasting, but the data he uses is impeccable.

    Like this chart of cost-push inflation:

    http://www.booktrakker.com/Economy/Inflation.jpg

    Its pretty obvious we do not have much inflation in our future!

    Andy

    • Jason S January 30, 2014, 7:00 pm

      Not sure if that correlation is causation.

  • Andy Gutterman January 29, 2014, 3:24 pm

    Gary,

    I don’t know where you get your data from. Consumer confidence is not even close to the all-time high reached on 2000, and like any other index its subject to technical analysis, of which a simple trendline is drawn here:

    http://www.booktrakker.com/Economy/Confidence.jpg

    Investor confidence, on the other hand is in the stratosphere, but when that happens, watch out below!

    Almost all market indicators say we are either at the top or in the process of forming a top. All bear markets get started slowly. Might call them a rounding top. Everything looks OK until it isn’t.

    I won’t be surprised to see the market make more all-time highs. Sometimes sentiment has to really get to an extreme before the blowoff.

    Andy

    • gary leibowitz January 29, 2014, 4:19 pm

      Using your chart please tell me when the last time we hit above 80? I will quote “hitting close to a 5 year high”. I guess one of us can’t read a chart.

      • Andy Gutterman January 29, 2014, 4:42 pm

        I stand corrected. You did say 5 years. Even so, the trend is down, so I do not expect this to continue, especially if you take into account the very depressing poll numbers about consumer expectations.

        Andy

      • Gary leibowitz January 29, 2014, 9:22 pm

        Taper continues. Just what everyone here wants. Market however is having detachment problems. Is this the start of a crash or normal jitters.

    • VILE VLAD January 31, 2014, 9:00 pm

      investor bullish sentiment is already extreme, most extreme since 1987 crash, according to IIA latest figure, 4 to 1 bull bear ratio.

      and talking about rounded tops, take a wide angle look at the current 1-yr dji chart,
      sporting an ominous near-perfect formation, of lindsay’s ‘3 peaks and a domed house,’
      of how most bull market charts end.

  • Andy Gutterman January 28, 2014, 4:10 pm

    I wonder if this isn’t the top?

    The “sun, the moon and the stars” have finally begun to align for the U.S. economy, creating room for companies to grow, JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon told CNBC on Wednesday.

    In an interview on the sidelines of the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, Dimon said that profit margins are up, cash hoards are growing, and small and midsize businesses are better placed.

    “I believe the sun, the moon and the stars are lined up. … Corporate America’s in excellent shape,” Dimon said. “Six million more Americans are working. Americans are wealthier in their homes, their 401(k)s. And government is doing no damage.”

    Andy

    • gary leibowitz January 28, 2014, 11:25 pm

      With consumer confidence and investor confidence hitting close to a 5 year high that suggests we have more upside. Investors are willing to take on more risks, while home prices continue to rise. This suggests liquidity is still there. Money will be buying the big dips until enough downward pressure breaks major support. As for tapering I don’t see pressure on the bond market. Perhaps the assumption is no more taper, but that argument should be resolved tomorrow. Without the 10 year note causing rates to go above 3 percent I see no real danger on the immediate future. The durable goods number for last month was weak as was the employment figures. I suspect that those two numbers are an anomaly since retail sales came in as expected. It looks to me like we should have another slew of better than anticipated numbers coming out soon.

      As for this current bear run, it looks like it has another week or so before we find support, based on previous corrections. I personally am looking for 1750 to be the support on this correction. It is possible that 1790 was the lows, but it seems too early for this drop to be over.

      • redwilldanaher January 28, 2014, 11:45 pm

        I don’t know what propaganda you’ve been reading but the retail scene has produced much more negative news than positive news of late.

      • gary leibowitz January 29, 2014, 2:14 am

        Retail has been in the dog house for a long time. it’s all relative. 2013 saw a 4 percent gain over 2012. My mention of better than anticipated numbers is not specific to retail. In fact that should be the laggard segment for this muted recovery. Money is flowing into the markets and credit is relatively loose.

        While most perma-bears can’t understand how we can spike to new highs, I can’t understand why a strong liquid market would do anything but. The bear must look for external shocks to the system for a crash scenario to unfold here. I place the odds of having one small. If conditions change hopefully I will be aware and not get caught off guard.

        Perhaps I have been lulled into complacency these last 5 years. If I just look at the chart it gives me reason to fear. The steep and long move up has got to break eventually. Hope I can be nimble when it does come. If 1750 (approx.) gets taken out I will reevaluate my position.

    • Mario February 2, 2014, 3:11 am

      Hi Andy! Could easily be “the top” for awhile, days, weeks, months. Meanwhile global GDP continues rising and so I’m under the impression markets , which are now essentially global indexes, will continue rising along with it as they have historically. Of course that doesn’t mean it won’t be a roller coaster ride along the way. And all such possibilities of a stable world barring the arrival of the dreaded morning after banking industry monetary system disaster event we wait for…

  • Zach January 28, 2014, 11:41 am

    so now to obama. for I am convinced that obama mission, is to destroy white middle class.
    thus, obama ’screw you care’. his ‘affordable care’ (so screw you white folk, in the arse, bigtime.)

    Did I miss your message? No. Just call this a wealth transfer. Same as gold is being transferred from West to East but at least the Chinese (and other smart Asians) are paying customers.

    Gold going West to East is very upsetting. JPM vaults being the prime transfer agent.

    • ChrisB January 28, 2014, 3:08 pm

      re: gold going West to East. It is well established that if you sell short at 2:00am and cover at 5:00am (est. time), you simply can’t lose. This trade has been a winner 9 out of 10 times for years – no TA required! Since the East seems to have an insatiable appetite for Gold, and an almost inexhaustable supply of FRNs, it would make sense that they are selling the paper market with their funny money holdings, and buying up the real “money” at the new lower price daily.

    • mava January 28, 2014, 6:06 pm

      Re: ObamaCare

      When you print a lot of paper money, there is a risk of hyperinflation, because the people feel like they suddenly have a lot of money. The demand-push inflation starts and goes into a vicious circle that ends with an hyperinflation event.

      In times like this, it helps to create an additional drain for money. This might compensate by providing a purpose for those new money. The idea is that while the government prints and prints, the people just pay extra for things they got cheaper before.

      This could be done just as well by mandating that everyone should buy a brand new 90 inch TV. But the people are going to like the idea of gaining a new “right” much better.

      • Jason S January 29, 2014, 1:41 am

        Mava, I think you mean demand-pull inflation. For that to occur (too many dollars chasing too few goods) you would need significant wage inflation which we don’t have. Also, you would see a substantially higher industrial capacity utilization than the 79 we have currently.

        Yes, the government is printing it, but it is sitting idly as bank reserves or as corporate reserves. So basically inflation as it is academically known remains subdued because this idleness is leading to a continued drop in money velocity. The printing is barely offsetting the drop in velocity.

        Someday velocity will pick up and then you will get the demand-pull (and likely cost-push as well) but I think that this only happens if we avoid the deflation death spiral Rick keeps speaking about. The only thing that makes this possible in my mind is some game changing industry being created that will have enough global impact to raise productivity substantially all over the world. About as likely as cold fusion.

      • mava January 29, 2014, 7:14 am

        Jason, thank you. I probably am. I am not entirely sure because I don’t believe in either of cost-push-pull-demand-push-pull inflation, nor into their cousins, wage -push -pull, etc.

        I did my homework a while ago, and checked them all out and determined that they are all phantoms. The only thing that causes inflation is money printing to me.

        But, of course, I am aware that other people have their own view points, not necessarily in agreement with mine. So, I use their terms sometimes, as a matter of a common language.

        Thanks for correcting me, anyway. Back to our sheep.

        I don’t think you would need wage. Wage has been insignificant in a late American period as compared with free money from the fed. If I give you 2 mil. credit under zero interest for 50 years, you’ll go shopping. If you won’t, your neighbor will. All without any increase in wages.

        As for Industrial Capacity Utilization, I think it is also irrelevant, because we are no longer the center of industrial production. Our capacity and utilization matter no more than that of Moldova. It ain’t made here. I think you can easily have the effect without ICU going up. There will simply be no demand for goods made here, at the price they would need to be sold in order to feed the government tax men, since the quality that can be output by that capacity is still stuck in the previous century.

        I think if you look at it this way, it may be possible for you to note, that if you were expecting the rising wages and ICU rate to serve as a warning and a wave-breakers for you, then the situation is even worse once you understand that neither of the two will perform as expected.

        Have you ever receive a hard hit while you forgot you’re wearing a hard hat? You shrivel inside, but the impact is so diminished by your armor, you’re surprised by the difference.

        Well, this is kind of an opposite. You think you have a hard hat of wages and gloves of ICU, but what if you actually do not?

  • Zach January 28, 2014, 11:32 am

    Rick you seem to be visiting South Florida, I can confirm that the South Florida economy is getting juiced up from where it was 3 years ago. All that goes through my mind is more FR printing of money. It is not based on real production except that we have a solid agricultural sector. I’ll send you some backyard mangoes next summer just say so. (I am serious)

    • Mario February 2, 2014, 2:55 am

      Zach, 2 years back I was itching to buy in the Tampa St Petersburg area. Through Caldwell banker, who would charge a reasonable rental management fee. There was plenty of nice condo inventory in the 40-70k range with a strong rent market at minimum of 1500/month. 20%plus gross yields , 12% plus after expenses. Just a couple of risks to watch out for, otherwise a great and reasonable situation. Didn’t have the cash, didn’t buy, sigh, prices indeed bottomed there as I expected. Will they had back down again. I hope so and will snap up as many as I can if they do.

      Cheers, Mario

  • mario cavolo January 28, 2014, 4:39 am

    The Global Macro Picture and Cash

    That’s the title of my contribution today.

    Fascinating. You know what I’ve learned as I’ve been on my author tour the past few months? (I’ve done over ten author events with the audiences mostly being the successful executive managers of dozens of MNC’s with interests and operations globally so they are highly experienced and educated people doing business in the real world).

    They say to me “Wow, Mario, this explains almost everything, there are huge amounts of cash here in China….etc.”. Now we understand, thanks!…etc.”

    That’s a good thing, but not my main point today. My main point today is that they are also saying much to my surprise “This explains Italy and Greece too”. The “official” economy is supposedly bad there, ready to collapse, but the people are in fact loaded with cash, much more than anyone talks about publicly. And here at Rick’s we know Cam has said the same thing about his experience in Africa. And this is the kind of information we are getting right from the horse’s mouths, from intelligent business people simply observing what is self-evident in the real world.

    I’m not saying that Wall Street/banking shenanigans shouldn’t scare the hell out of us. I’m saying there’s more to the “economy” and people surviving and thriving on planet earth than meets the eye. Perhaps we’re not giving the “people” enough credit for doing what they have to do for themselves when faced with their government who’s own self-serving “official” rules and laws and policies aren’t to their liking.

    I’ve put forth the idea many times before that if you’re loaded with cash when the sh*t hits the fan, you essentially don’t care, you’re fine. When you don’t have a mortgage and the price of your apt goes down 30%, you just sigh a bit, but it doesn’t ruin your day or your life.

    As the dialogue of my book goes out, it is morphing and expanding. As the author, I’m quite surprised by this direction in the dialogue. And this is with a so far quite limited exposure, the book will hit North American shores within 90 days or so when it is published there. That will add even more interesting feedback. I suspect that feedback will more be along the lines of how American’s are themselves “seeing the light” and entering the growing shadow economy there more and more. This is the trend that is in place already there. This is the stuff that goes on, by its very nature, quietly under the radar. So its not “in the news”. It can’t be, because officially, it doesn’t exist.

    Bingo, that’s what I’m saying about China. You truly have NO IDEA how freakin’ rich they are and that’s exactly how they like it. And now people are coming out of the closet so to speak to tell me this is what is going on in many other countries too. America included, as Professor Feige has clearly pointed out the $2T shadow economy in the U.S. is also somehow, expanding.

    So frankly, while we may see plenty “official” crises and roller coaster rides, plenty of headline news, I’m just nowhere near as worried as many of you here. Wall Street is NOT just America’s Wall Street. While QE seems to be unbridled lunacy, the system has a way of self-forming its interconnected checks and balances across the globe. Who would think the USD should go UP in value in today’s economic world relative to the other global currencies? Yet it seems like that could easily happen in response to various global economic news. Wall Street should not be looked at with a myopic American eye, it now represents the entire global economy and it represents far more than meets the eye, including the parts of the economy which are not officially in it.

    Greece didn’t collapse. Well, sort of. The supposed 30% unemployed there, apparently have alot more cash than anyone realizes and of course they officially don’t have, as reported in the official stats. I find this dialogue a fascinating and meaningful revelation to be mindful of.

    Cheers, Mario

    • VILE VLAD January 30, 2014, 12:52 am

      Mario, the host has not allowed me to respond to you two prior times,
      but I opine that you make Gary look like a genius.

    • Mario Cavolo January 30, 2014, 11:52 am

      I know Vlad. It’s ok, really. I’m just an idiot China propagandist puppet sheep masquerading as a person that just maybe has a clue or two on reality and a few MNC executives as my clients because they’re too stupid to realize how stupid I am.

      And Vlad sighs with a blend of psychotic joy and grandeur at Mario’s confession.

    • VILE VLAD January 30, 2014, 9:56 pm

      yes, mario, you really understand me. rick has erased almost all I’ve written you, and even comment above that he posted, is heavily edited.

      but I will say this. you are going to get, exactly what you deserve. and be assured of that.
      because you are not stupid. but you are girlishly naive. that you matter to the chinese.

      • Mario Cavolo January 31, 2014, 9:52 am

        OMG. I love you more and i mean it. A guy with a mind like yours is stimulating! You’re my perfect reality check. Please spar with me more, good comes from it.

        BTW, Where in the world did you ever get the idea that I think I matter to the Chinese? It’s “George Carlin” here too. I made that very cleaR in a post a cpl week’s back regardingy my new ecig project here.

  • VILE VLAD January 27, 2014, 10:46 pm

    as to one final crazy parabolic rally, to near 20k dji, I am already on record, as thinking so.
    however, will add this–from my view of dji 5-year chart, and knowing of massive margin debt,
    I consider that 14.5 to 15 k dji area is crucial to hold, even more than the 200 day ma.

    for already 50 day ma has been sliced through like swiss cheese. but I don’t care about that.
    since 200 day ma is the real deal, because, many oldtimer analyst advisors, say to bail out,
    when the 200 day ma, is sliced through cleanly. and it is around 15.5k right now.

    however, I have already seen this game, of the ‘violated’ 200 day ma, several times,
    in heady bernanke times, of cheating up the averages ever higher, for last 5 amazing years.

    so I look for major support areas, heavily tested, and I say, it’s 14500 to 15000, dji.
    an if 14500 dji is broken, watch out below, from massive margin calls. for in a jiffy,
    dji market will be down the next day, to next big support area, of 12000 to 125000.

    then what. more margin calls? or heavy buying? I am a permabear. so what will I say.
    let me put it this way. there are many wild cards in this deck. all supported by smoke.
    wild cards all around the world. all that could go bad wrong, in blink of a silly ussa eye.

    and I know el garo will say, ‘ smoke?’ ‘great earnings!’ yet, these great earnings, were mostly cost-cutting earnings. less employees,
    more longterm unemployed. so less consumption. ergo, less taxes.

    so now to obama. for I am convinced that obama mission, is to destroy white middle class.
    thus, obama ‘screw you care’. his ‘affordable care’ (so screw you white folk, in the arse, bigtime.)

    as rick said, aca, biggest jump in unexpected taxes, of all ussa time. and approved, based on lies.
    because americanus were told repeatedly, by drum pounding obumba, to get his lie passed,
    passed in, the ussao congresso corrupto, that every family, would save 2500 a year, on aca.
    huh?? huhh??? save 2500 bucks a year per family, on his aca??? he TESTIFIED in congresso?

    hum. isn’t that impeacheable? and isn’t his many other anticonstitution crimes–impeachable?
    so what’s wrong with you ussa people? why aren’t you up in arms, like you were vs. nixon?

    or is it because obumba is a negro, and none of you white folk nowadays, supposed to get angry
    with negroes, no matter what crime they commit, since ussa negroes, are new delhi’s sacred cows?

    haha. food for though, yu’all. so down with obama!! maybe he can get an estate next to nixon’s.
    and they can golf together. (but wait. is nixon dead? better yet. so let obama join him there).

    • VILE VLAD January 29, 2014, 1:50 am

      adjunct to my post above. for those wacko mis-interpretating nuts.

      my comments are about impeachment. not about violent overthrow.

      for I still want to uphold all world democratic constitutions,

      no matter how much they are violated, by those that have sworn, to defend them.

      frankly, democracy stinks. face it. however, what is better? I have no answer.

      yet, the cradle of democracy, was b.c. greece. and this is how they created it–

      only free men with land or property, can vote. and no women of course.

      makes a lot of sense to me. but then again, I AM VILE VLAD. haha.

      47% of ussa citizens pay ZERO taxes. think about it. so, should they have a vote?

      I THINK NOT.

      I think the entire POLLUTION of the ussa’s ideology, is because of this FLAW.

      SO, IMO, PAY NO TAXES, GET NO VOTE. and the entire world, will turn from that.

      • VILE VLAD January 30, 2014, 1:11 am

        wow. no answer on this one, one day later, from anybody, including host.
        so I see you are all fleeced, bah bah sheep. not a bastille day human among you.
        you all talk lot of manure, but when it comes to talking real, you are all—demure.

        the problem is philosophical. it is not the system. the prevailing ussa system is corrupt.
        totally and completely. so there is only one shift. philosophical. where old tenets end.
        but then again, rand tried this in the 50’s, 60’s, 70’s. ’til she croaked. and no one heard.
        so why do I bring this up. solely, so you all, stop talking manure. for you are all so boring.
        so talk philosophy, not existing conditions. because existing things won’t work, and you know it.
        get real. you all have kids. you want them to live in current world? so get a NEW PHILOSOPHY.
        that is your only chance. for I assure you, all you ‘players’, including rick, won’t get paid.
        unless of course, rick is already one of the top 10 percenters, which I have long suspected.
        and now traveling, through multi-millionaire palm beach. yawn. how surprising, ricky. ha.

        you all fixate on the wrong thing, as always. it is so boring to read your nonsense tripe.
        for when manure storm hits, won’t be from anything you say. IT WILL BE FROM DEBT.
        ALL types of debt. and it will be swift. and none of you blatherers will even have time to breath. and much less get paid by your bankrupt bank, nor broker.

      • Mario January 31, 2014, 11:01 am

        I’ll bite V.

        It’s a good point. A discussion with a Canadian friend of mine turned to the voting issue, asking why an uneducated, ignorant citizen should get an equal vote as a professional white collar MBA? Doesn’t sound reasonable on the surface. Now you want to analyze that idea as to whether the person has paid taxes? What’s the point, the meaningful correlation between those two variables? I can think of los of people who contribute to the society but don’t pay taxes, maybe their business broke even, so they shouldn’t be allowed to vote that year?

      • VILE VLAD January 31, 2014, 10:36 pm

        mario, I never take you seriously, I consider you totally unimportant in all aspects,
        however, you have asked the only worthwhile question, even if totally inverted.

        first, we are discussing democracy, and not oligarchy. for that is what
        your canadian bf, is talking about. it reminds me of a interchange I once had with
        jim davidson (heard of him?) about 20 years ago.
        as davidson made obvious, in this exchange, that basically, oligarchy was best.
        with thesis of the ‘benevolent dictator,’ (and as most ussa presidents, pretend to be.)
        however, solely in a strict sense, I argued with him, that oligarchy required total trust,
        on only one man, or a few men, and that almost always, this was disastrous, for most.
        historically. kings. lords. religious leaders. etc. this usually destroyed almost all, under.
        and it may have worked -somewhat- with marcus aurelius, charlemagne, kublai khan,
        but they were rarities.
        for even these 3 ‘supposedly benign’ oligarchs, had their pet-peeve barbarities.
        for example, supposedly ‘great’ charlemagne, burned ‘witches’ for several centuries.
        with of course, all of their ‘witching’ estates, soon reverting to the crown, after death.
        so enough of oligarchs, like you canadian bf, obviously is. so let’s talk democracy.

        I stated that democracy, within the generic pluralistic concept, derived from b.c. greece,
        is flawed in many ways (as it is today, with 47 percent ussa ‘moochers’, to use rand’s term),
        because NO ONE WITHOUT PROPERTY, plus also that does not PAY ANY TAXES,
        should ever have ANY say, in the election of leaders, to preserve LIFE and PROPERTY.

        so go read your b.c. greece. read how they originally designed ‘democratic’ concept.
        for it is based on solely PROTECTION OF PROPERTY. so you can pay taxes.
        and ALL others BE DAMNED. for they are all moochers, of those WITH PROPERTY.
        and starting with the beggar fool, diogenes the cynic, that preached that property was a crime.

        you are the prototypical example, of those that project the present,
        status quo present, into the future, ad nauseum, with zero imagination, of other possibilities.

  • mava January 27, 2014, 10:27 pm

    This may not be the beginning of the end.

    However, if it was, then what would be so strange about gold going up? When this thing blows, deflation or inflation, no matter, the result will be that all world currencies will cease to exist. Why all? Because none of them are backed by gold. (No, Euro is not backed by anything, no matter their government paper statements).

    So, if one wanted to help save the world, he then would want to carry his capital forward through the crisis, to the other side of time chasm. And if he wanted to do that he would have to have gold. Nothing else.

    To be sure, yes, the capital will be carried over to the other side of the eye of the storm by other means. Silver, oil, real estate, even some stock paper would survive. The important difference, however, lies in this:

    All world powers will be aligned in their determination to survive. To that end, they will have to realize, that the only way is thru expropriating any and all private property they can find. They will take away everything from you, unless you are one of the ruling elite, and even then, it will be far from certain that you will make a list of super privileged ones, allowed to keep something.

    Gold, will be found to be the only reliably marketable asset that will prove to be the toughest to find and access, when the owner of that bullion is not forthcoming.

    • VILE VLAD January 27, 2014, 11:12 pm

      a world in which the basis of currency is based on gold is very far away, mava.
      neither of us will see it.
      and trust me, neither of us will want to see it.
      because, only way it will occur, will be similar to when fdr confiscated gold from ussa folk,
      and then he did with it what he will, like devalue it’s convertible paper notes, by 60% overnight.
      hence, IMO, only way that the gold stantard will ever return, is when the 1%ers, own it near all.

      also, gold right now is still overpriced in terms of what it daily buys, consumer items,
      so gold is still just a luxury for the rich, so in daily living, you’re better off with silver coins.

      however, day is very far away, that fiat currencies will cease to exist. so… stock up on some…

      • mava January 28, 2014, 9:34 am

        I believe (hmm.. believe?), that the world where the money are based on gold again is at our doorstep. And yes, I want to live it. A world where most things are based on merit? Hell yes!

        Gold is not overpriced. It is underpriced. Terribly so. The POG has to compensate now for the mountains of currency units. So, it will adjust way, way, way up. At the same time, it will become understood that everything else has become underpriced with gold, and it will adjust up, in terms of gold, restoring the equilibrium of an hour of honest work to an ounce of gold.

        You can’t see it now, because the literal mountains of counterfeit are obstructing the view.

      • VILE VLAD January 29, 2014, 1:15 am

        vet diehard mava, I like you a lot. but I also disagree with you, a lot.

        1.
        you and I will never see ‘a world based on merit’. so stop being so gullible and innocent.
        that world is gone. so grow up, mavita. as humans are now in a TOTALLY rigged world.

        2.
        “restoring the equilibrium of an hour of honest work to an ounce of gold.”
        again, what planet do you live in, mavita? “honest work”? are you so naive?
        21st century world is CORRUPT to core, and “honest work”, is history, old honest girl.
        I feel sorry for you. hope you are not one of those old maids’ that keeps $millions in gold,
        hidden under your grandma’s old russian trunk. so get some of those grubby sweaty dollars.

        and here, just to make you happy, I will be my own devil’s advocate. watch this video.
        it states how your ussa is creating out of thin air, 700 million physical paper dollars, a day.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsAGsSoiG84

        however, no massive INflation, from it! wonder why… yet, could it be, because,
        in terms of already existing mountaneous world DEBT, it is just, a spitting in the ocean?

        you think about it. but don’t only get so enamored with ‘true money’ gold, I recommend.
        because worth of it, could devalue BIG, in massive bank shutdowns, in a blink of an eye.
        SINCE THE ONLY TRUE MATTER OF WORTH, IS DAILY PURCHASING POWER.

    • Sam January 27, 2014, 11:18 pm

      The final end game that you state is logical – . How long will it take before it gets to this state though? Months? Years? Decades? I’m tending to side with Armstrong in the comparison with Ancient Rome and the USA with the dollar for the most likely road for this to play out (even despite the speed of hft and all world trading linked to computer systems, making volatility spike like Everest). Maybe we have to wait 10 years + in some sort of dark age where black markets operate some kind of very risky exchange for the yellow stuff.

      Don’t get me wrong, I like gold, and it symbolizes money and civilization perfectly. The point is, if we lose this system we are working from I don’t think it will happen so quickly – and in the meantime gold will be sold to pay off the piper, allowing ‘the system’ to continue its ten year death march, kicking and screaming up the hill of usury until it finally draws its last breath.

      The worst part will be the waiting, knowing what lies ahead – sheer agony. But yes, by all means, keep some gold for future generations.

  • VILE VLAD January 27, 2014, 9:51 pm

    don’t think gold is gonna shine again, for years.
    yeah, occasional counter-rallies, but, overall, is steady flow. down.
    gold bullmarket is gone. dead and buried. and now, ussa fiat dollar, is once again king.

    just look at my argentina. first, corralito, meaning, can’t take out dollars out of country, or, jail.
    and now, you can’t even buy dollars, with argentine pesos. illegal! ha. everybody screwed.
    things are bad in argentina. even worse unemployment and wages, than in ussa, hard to believe.
    and gun-armed theft, way up, especially in buenos aires.
    because besides bonnie and clyde bank holdups,
    the robbing of choice for young punk hoods, is, 2 on a motorbike, bobbing and weaving
    amongst heavy buenos aires traffic, at stoplights, til they see open car window, of a woman,
    with a bag near her, and back guy points gun at her face, and say, ‘the bag or your face.’
    and trust me, many feisty females faces, have been blown off, since they didn’t believe.
    and that is buenos aires. one of greatest cities in the world. yet looking like africa now.

    so forget gold. the ussa fiat PHYSICAL dollar is still king worldwide.
    and that is why, fiat PHYSICAL currency, be it dollars or euros or remimbis,
    are being held back, in big banks worldwide, ’cause they ain’t enough of them,
    to nearly match their electronic brethren, but trust me, when the big manure goes down,
    if you ain’t got any of that green fiat paper, you ain’t gonna get food to eat, anywhere.
    so as rick repeatedly said, keep pulling out those PHYSICAL 20 dollar bills, out of system.
    as discreetly as you can, without tripping wires of the govt. freaks, that run the ussa prison.
    ’cause no one will believe, your gold coin is real, and you want, a thousand bucks for it. haha.
    nope. so it is better to own silver coins, for 20 bucks a piece, since those, they might believe.
    when you go, to try, buy something. ha. and have gun and plenty of bullets, to protect them.

    • VILE VLAD January 27, 2014, 11:36 pm

      today’s pertinent addendum to my post above,
      of my argentina’s currency’s flight plight,
      and it’s a daily drama, like all argentinian–
      MarketWatch
      Jan. 27, 2014, 11:01 a.m. EST

      “Argentina limits monthly dollar purchases to $2000”

      “NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — Argentina’s government on Monday limited monthly dollar purchases by Argentines to $2,000, according to reports, just days after it loosened restrictions in a move that sent the currency tumbling. Argentines who earn more than 7,200 pesos a month will be able to buy $2,000 a month at most, with a waiver of the 20% tax if the dollars are kept in banks for more than one year, according to the Financial Times.”

      http://www.marketwatch.com/story/argentina-limits-monthly-dollar-purchases-to-2000-2014-01-27?siteid=yhoof2

      AND HERE IS THE KEY OPERATIVE COMMENT–

      “…with a waiver of the 20% tax if the dollars are kept in banks for more than one year…”

      IN OTHER WORDS, ON TOP OF THE CRAPPY EXCHANGE RATE YOU GOT,
      THERE IS AN AMAZINGLY HUGE GOVT. SURTAX OF 20% ON YOUR EXCHANGE–
      UNLESS, OF COURSE, YOU STICK YOUR DOLLAR CAPITAL INSIDE A CRAPPY
      ARGENTINE BANK FOR A YEAR; BUT WHEN YOU GO A YEAR LATER, TO COLLECT…
      EHH? NO HAY DINERO. BANCO CERRADO. NO HAY DINERO. C-E-R-R-A-D-O.

      and if you don’t think this is coming to ussa also, and much worse I bet, yu is een dreamo lando.

    • Iro Noiro January 28, 2014, 7:08 am

      A classic textbook bull market will show 3 waves up and 2 waves down. I can not remember where i read that but then there it is. If indeed this is a true bull market, looking at a gold chart it would appear that gold is in the final stages of hammering out its 2nd wave down. To modify my previous post gold will pivot @ ~1301.00 before exhibiting a tremendous series of sell offs down to the 1100-1000 nether regions where everyone will be rope a doped. Your thoughts?

      • VILE VLAD January 29, 2014, 12:50 am

        iro, 3 up 2 down is the basis of elliott wave system. look it up.
        but, what you don’t see yet, is that pattern can also, be inverted.
        3 down 2 up. yes. in middle of a MAJOR downtrend, 3 down, 2 up.

        learn about ew. go to ew top site, elliott wave intl, bob prechter’s baby.
        and if you don’t know whom prechter is, don’t waste time. as you know nothing.

        for the bull in gold, is loooooong gone. goodbye.

        but hey, you don’t believe me?
        then buy buy buy, all that fool’s gold!!!

        because, when UNavoidable vacuum deflation hits, you’ll know, what fool’s gold is.

        since the world is headed, without doubt, to massive crater, of uber debt—DEflation.

        but hey, if you want to get in way of it’s tracks, then, do it! as all is fate. you’ll get your due.

        but don’t bother me more with silly questions. go learn something. and stop idiot blather.

      • Iro Noiro January 29, 2014, 8:52 am

        VILE VLAD you are absolutely correct, i do not know anything. In regards to EXPERIENCE i am not even an infant yet when it comes to understanding these markets. Yes, should gold show more downward waves most definitely we are going into a lengthy and exhaustive base building. The last time gold sold off in 2008 it reversed off of the previous 2006 high which tells me gold could frogmarch its happy butt all the way down to that 700 level and STILL be considered in a bull market. Just waiting for that black swan 🙂

      • VILE VLAD January 30, 2014, 10:10 pm

        iro, good answer to my response to you.

        look. it seems to me you are in love with gold. when you could be doing better things.

        but I will say this. yes, I agree, by certain chart measures, gold could go down to,
        800 dollars an ounce, and still remain, chart technical, in a longterm bull.
        so, if you want to fixate on gold, that’s your business. and try to time it’s hyperinflation rise.

        but I think that’s a waste of time. for gold’s hyperinflation future move,
        is many years away, and by then, you might not even be allowed to play in it,
        as 1% ubermasters, may not even allow you to. bottomline, gold ain’t the answer.

        you have a japanese name, and also, attitude, of learning from those with experience.
        and, bottomline, I think all of asia will rise, slowly, ot of the tomb, of occidentals.
        so bet on asia, once smoke clears, from the greatest market crash of all time.
        that’s what I recommend. you sound young. so be patient. wait. then buy asian.

  • Iro Noiro January 27, 2014, 9:15 pm

    Gonna be an attention whore today and just throw it out there. Ok here it goes. Gold will reversal pivot @ 1311.4 and then resume its steady down trend. I am a novice at all this, just learning how to crawl but common sense tells me there has been too much ambiguity whether or not is ‘this’ or is ‘that’ the bottom. A surprise left hook spike low with a single bar should eliminate such confusion and show all once and for all that indeed the bottom has been reached. Your thoughts?

  • watcher7 January 27, 2014, 8:32 am

    The two Bens

    History is once again rhyming.

    Benjamin Strong, the NY Federal Reserve Bank Governor, who provided the coup-de-whiskey to the stockmarket against the backdrop of the 1926-27 recession, a potential European crisis and the real estate bust after the peak in 1926, provided the type for Ben Bernanke.

    Ben Strong, who played his part in supporting the final stockmarket rally that preceded the Great Depression of the Twentieth Century, died in 1928 and so was not around, literally, to see the end result. In a similar way Ben Bernanke, who played his part in the final stockmarket rally that will precede the Great Depression of the Twenty-first Century, will also not be around, in the sense of being in office, to see the end result.

    Janet Yellen is now following in the footsteps of George Harrison to oversee the coming Great Depression.

    The stockmarket peaked in the following calendar year of Ben Strong’s successor; the stockmarket to peak in the following calendar year, or soon after, of Ben Bernanke’s successor?

    “The major stock market boom on Wall Street coincided with a virtual suspension of new international lending and a retreat of capital. New money from America stopped going to Germany, Latin America, or Central Europe in June 1928. All the hot money went to Wall Street instead. And much more foreign money, especially English money, was also attracted by high returns as compared to bleak prospects elsewhere” (James Dale Davidson & William Rees-Mogg, “Blood in the Streets”, (New York: Summit Books, 1987), p.207).

    “What I have learned from the study of the GLOBAL economy rather than DOMESTIC theories, has been fascinating. This is why I say the US will be the LAST to fall” (Martin Armstrong, “Iceland – The First to Fall – The First to Rise”, armstrongeconomics.com, January 1, 2014).

    “Not all countries implode at the same time. It is a series of dominoes. Europe and Japan must tip over forcing capital to concentrate in the United States” (Martin Armstrong, “Unemployment the lowest since 2008″, armstrongeconomics.com, May 10, 2013).

    “This one is a Sovereign Debt Crisis and as that happens, it will drive the dollar higher and create massive losses around the globe. That will play its role in undermining the global economy and push the US into recession from 2015.75 into 2020…” (Martin Armstrong, “Dollar – Trade – Reserves”, armstrongeconomics.com, May 8, 2013).

  • DK January 27, 2014, 6:54 am
  • nitram January 27, 2014, 6:20 am
    • DK January 27, 2014, 6:49 am

      yea essentially the same story i linked to above nitram. interesting stuff

    • Andy Gutterman January 27, 2014, 3:02 pm

      Guys,

      Ya gotta do your research.

      http://www.forexlive.com/blog/2014/01/27/more-still-on-cash-transfer-halts-in-china/

      ADDED: Just to close this saga … As of 0527GMT Forbes has taken down the original article

      The suspension of foreign exchange transactions during the Chinese New Year holiday is “normal,” a State Administration of Foreign Exchange source told MNI. The source, who is not permitted to speak with the media, said that such transactions are typically suspended during the holiday. “Foreign exchange transactions are just suspended during the new year — it’s normal,” the source said. He was commenting following a news report referencing a Citibank announcement that foreign currency transactions won’t be accepted from 1800 local on Thursday until 0900 on Friday, February 7. The announcement followed heightened concern in about whether a possible trust product default will trigger an avalanche of failures in the Chinese financial system. Although traders in the interbank market are concerned about the liquidity outlook, they said Monday that the suspension of transactions during the holiday period is an annual occurrence and not out of the ordinary.

      • DK January 27, 2014, 4:46 pm

        Do my research?
        This article just appeared Andy, over the weekend. It is my fault that within hours it is scrubbed?
        I said it was interesting, after I said darned if any of us knows.

  • DK January 27, 2014, 5:24 am

    darned if any of us knows.
    this seemed interesting though

    http://www.maxkeiser.com/2014/01/hsbc-bank-allegedly-on-verge-of-collapse-second-major-banking-crash-imminent/

    as Rich recently pointed out recently, Germany has only received 5 tons of au over the course of a year from the NY Fed.

    • Andy Gutterman January 27, 2014, 2:58 pm

      http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/01/26/hsbc-apologizes-after-cash-withdrawal-issue-in-britain/

      The British bank HSBC has apologized after reports that some customers were prevented from withdrawing large sums of cash from their accounts.

      HSBC said that, as part of a policy change put into effect in November, it began asking customers in some instances to show evidence of what they planned to do with large cash withdrawals.

      “It is not mandatory for customers to provide documentary evidence for large cash withdrawals, and on its own, failure to show evidence is not a reason to refuse a withdrawal,” the bank said in a statement. “We apologize to any customer who has been given incorrect information and inconvenienced.”

      The British Broadcasting Corporation’s Radio 4 reported on its “Money Box” program on Saturday that some customers were not allowed to withdraw amounts above 5,000 pounds in cash, or about $8,253.

      The policy change was part of the bank’s efforts to comply with regulations to fight money laundering, which require banks to report suspicious behavior, such as withdrawing large amounts of cash.

  • redwilldanaher January 27, 2014, 5:16 am

    A great warning. Don’t suffer from White Mouse Retention Syndrome. Last time they decided to ignore, break, make, change, bypass, blah, blah, blah, countless rules and laws. That’s exactly what they’ll do IF that helps facilitate their plan/end goals.

    Today’s news even has Prompter the Clown braggin’ and rebraggin’ that he’ll flout the laws that he swore to uphold. Sociopaths are capable of anything.