Readers Swarm a Crazy Statistic

Readers jumped all over the nutty idea, presented here yesterday, that America’s economic prowess has remained undiminished by decades of job losses in the manufacturing sector. That was a salient point of the graph below, which accompanied an upbeat article by Jim Manzi in National Affairs.  Although Manzi’s blog is first-rate, we wondered how he could have gone so far awry as to suggest that the nation’s manufacturing sector is as economically meaningful as ever, notwithstanding the fact that it employs far fewer workers than in the past.  If you take  the graph at face value, manufacturing’s share of the country’s GDP has hovered just below 15 percent for more than 60 years, steady as a rock. However, some readers saw statistical fraud here of the same blatant sort that colors U.S. unemployment data. Indeed, while the government’s statisticians assert that 10 percent of the work force is currently unemployed, the actual figure is closer to 22 percent if calculated using the same assumptions that were used in the 1980s. 

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With similar disingenuousness, the spinmeisters supposedly tweaked the definition of manufacturing a few years back so that Starbucks and Burger King instantly became “manufacturers.”  Both “assemble” food, or so the bureaucratic thinking goes, and that is why the contribution of sandwiches and lattes to the country’s economic output is grouped in the same category as jet aircraft, concrete and roller bearings.  We were unable to verify this at press time, but even if Burger King et al. are not in fact classified as manufacturers, we’d bet dollars to donuts that there are dozens of equally farfetched businesses that are.  

Offshore Fudge-Factor 

The statistical lies grow still more brazen, and probably more meaningful, when it comes to differentiating goods actually produced in this country from those that are merely assembled from foreign parts. As one reader noted, “Just about all U.S. manufacturers now buy their parts in China and other low labor-cost countries, then assemble the completed product here in the U.S. This registers as [American] GDP…for the entire cost of the product, when in reality a higher percentage of the product is actually made overseas.” 

Others saw no need to split statistical hairs over whether the U.S. is still in the game.  “If the chart is true,” one reader asked, “then how come you can hardly find anything in Wal-Mart that’s made in the USA?” The same reader also noted that because the chart ends around 2005, it failed to capture the acceleration of “the offshoring movement” during the past five years.  Another reader pointed out that, even if manufacturing’s share of GDP has remained steady, workers have failed to keep up with inflation. “It doesn’t matter how much manufacturing the U.S. has if the upper management is the only class that benefits in real-wealth terms from the increased productivity of the workers. If our country is to return to solid footing economically, then the workers need to take back what is theirs, the fruits of their labor,” he continued. “In the last 30 years, upper management in all sectors, in concert with our corrupt government, has become entrenched in their philosophy of robbing from the masses in more and more diabolical ways. They won’t willingly change. History has proven that!” 

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  • David I January 3, 2010, 8:50 am

    Jerry – I agree the universities are run by nut jobs. However, I don’t understand the whole Reagan bashing bit. I consider Reagan an icon- up there with Ron Paul, Washington and Andrew Jackson as true patriots. Reagan believed in Austrian economics and his one regret was not ending the fed. We could use a few good Reagans right now.

  • LAStevens January 2, 2010, 1:41 pm

    “””Part of the answer may lie in the fact that the Bureau of Labor Statistics now classifies flipping burgers as manufacturing. At least this is what I recall reading within the past several years in an article posted on Goldseek.com.”””

    I see Paul has pointed out the problem. What exactly is considered “manufacturing”?

    And another thing, who exactly is included in “manufacturing labor”?

  • Gary December 31, 2009, 4:39 am

    After representing the best of America in the Machine Tool Industry in Canada for thirty years I have observed the following. 80% of the stuff I sold that used to be produced in the USA is now outsourced. Bosch Jigsaws, Milwaukee Chop Saws, Stanley Tools, Proto, Snap On, Illinois Tools Works, Vermont American etc.
    WORSE, my Fender guitar, and amp, made in Mexico, along with my new washer, dryer, refrigerator, and freezer.

    PS I ripped out the speaker on the amp and put in a Emmince made in USA product, I wanted a North American sound but had to pay more for it, along with Russian Vacuum Tubes, a strange mix of two worlds.

    Shove globalization where the sun don’t shine.

  • jerry mcdonald December 31, 2009, 12:04 am

    the nut jobs running our universities,with our money,are the problem.In 1982,the ohio state uni. told me inclass,”that they had to teach,what business wanted.”Harvard business school has lost billions from bad investments.Good!Until americans say they aren’t gong to take it anymore,this will not end.Reagan is still thought of as some kind of hero.When i get to hell,i’m going to look up that treasonist individual and he ain’t gonna like it.

  • michael December 30, 2009, 11:42 pm

    the graph makes perfect sense to me. A US manufacturing company looks for the cheapest place to rent and the cheapest labor so has to capture the most profits by lowering overhead, which is why the manufacturers are still in the game, even though the us worker is less and less in the game.

  • NS December 30, 2009, 10:54 pm

    I have to really question the accurateness and depth of research/facts on this blog because of this statement: ‘With similar disingenuousness, the spinmeisters supposedly tweaked the definition of manufacturing a few years back so that Starbucks and Burger King instantly became “manufacturers.”’
    “spinmeisters supposedly tweaked” –hello???
    Changing the manufacturing status to include fast-food workers was done BLATANTLY and UNABASHEDLY by the Bush Administration many years ago — much to the on-going sleepiness of the congressional Dems.
    Spinmeisters?? Supposedly???? Do your homework, Bub.

    And as David Byrne says:
    Facts are simple and facts are straight
    Facts are lazy and facts are late
    Facts all come with points of view
    Facts don’t do what I want them to
    Facts just twist the truth around
    Facts are living turned inside out
    Facts are getting the best of them
    ~ And, we’re all Crosseyed and Painless for it, thanks to you and all the rest of the “journalists” who suck at their jobs.

  • FranSix December 30, 2009, 9:25 pm

    About apricot seeds. Don’t do anything I wouldn’t do.

    A crazy, damning statistic like that underlines the extent to which the bond sector makes up the economy. And most of that is just hot air.

  • gary leibowitz December 30, 2009, 8:46 pm

    I don’t understand why you argue over stats such as our manufacturing base.
    This was the same type of argument I had over how the inflation figures are very understated and that we have experienced high inflation for years.

    The bottom line is that earnings and spending have not fallen apart yet. You can argue over how debt has replaced savings and the service sector replaced the manufaturing sector but the end result has been higher profits for corporate america.

    When the debt strain, or total loss of a manufacturing base affects profits I can guarantee you wall street will not be fooled. It has always been “Show me the money”, and I suspect it always will.

    Unless the government can somehow alter individual corporate profits any suggestion of manipulation is a moot point. If the quarterly profits and future expectations fall hard so will the stock market. In fact wall street has always seen past government data since history usually shows the market falls hard during peak profits.

    Until then enjoy the show.

  • Alex Bond December 30, 2009, 8:20 pm

    Rick – You’re completely missing the point. I do not dispute the fact that the government misuses statistics. I am saying that only a tinfoil-hat wearing conspiracy nut would believe this tripe about Burger King being considered “manufacturing”, when a few seconds of research can prove that it simply isn’t true.

    There’s a difference between shady, government-produced statistics, and outright lies (which are easily debunked) proffered by conspiracy theories.

  • Alex Bond December 30, 2009, 6:58 pm

    Why would anyone believe that Burger King is considered “manufacturing” by the government? Aside from meshing nicely with some conspiracy theories and stroking the egos of the woefully misinformed (or downright stupid), the idea is patently false.

    Burger King’s NAICS code is 722110, which falls under “Leisure & Hospitality” as a general category.

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    The idea that the government would use statistics to lie, cheat, manipulate and deceive the public is hardly a “conspiracy theory.” In fact, I am hard-pressed to think of a single U.S. statistic that comes our way each month or quarter that is NOT used for such purposes: GDP, “productivity,” unemployment, CPI, etcetera. RA

  • Summit December 30, 2009, 6:41 pm

    Doug asked if we could have found a “Cancer cure”.

    Would you settle for a cancer prevention? Read G. Edward Griffin’s “A World Without Cancer” about the cancer diagnostic/treatment business, and the natural prevention of apricot seeds. I eat eight apricot seeds a day, along with apple seeds. Please do the investigation yourself and read Griffin’s book. By the way this is the same Griffin who wrote “Creature From Jekyll Island”.

  • Paulie December 30, 2009, 5:35 pm

    In addition to Rick’s comments in the post for Dec 30th, I have to add another bit of angst to the mix. I’m so sick and tired of politicians and other economic talking head-cases espouse the importance of providing for our “small businesses”, as “they create” most jobs in our country. Buckminister Fuller warned, many years before this time, of the danger of our “businesses” de-evolving to selling nothing more than “nick-nacks” to each other. This is what we’re becoming. Without the LARGE and massive manufacturing businesses, there will be no market for the small operations, (unless you’re a self-employed medical group, law office or other LLC type of business…like a lobbyist!!). No one is going to buy scented candles at your shop if they aren’t making engines, cars, trucks, machines or other high-value items at the factory. It’s over. The velocity of money will grind to a halt, the living standards will crash and the electorate will become more and more dependent upon the governments, (fed/state/local), to provide for their livelihood, drawing more taxes from an ever-shrinking private sector.

    By the time, (if ever), steps are finally taken to correct this mess, the rest of the manufacturing world will have passed us by and the flight of capital will be so pronounced, we will not be able to attract the investment monies necessary to save our economy. This will be really, truly bad—the final chapter in the great experiment, our system of government itself. The irony is, there seem to be forces primed to ensure that we stumble and fail; forces both within and without, it seems. So, in short, without BIG businesses flourishing, my assertion is that small businesses are doomed, in general, and all the king’s men aren’t going to revive or be able to pump enough life blood into them for it to matter in the long/intermediate run.

    Most neighborhood and “small businesses” exist because of payrolls of the big ones. Just go to Detroit’s metro area with open eyes and a clear head. It is over not only for middle class jobs, but the stores that those people patronized. It’s just a matter of time before the mall anchors are next, so long as there is not a ballot box revolution and/or some other catalyst to change the policy-maker’s attitudes to provide for a more populist/constitutionalist policy toward our trade, monetary and defense sectors. So, if we keep shipping manufacturing overseas to slave-labor, it’s just a matter of time before those “ships” refuse to deliver the goods in exchange for our worthless dollars. If you/we go global, you’d best be working for a globalist concern. The US will be marginalized into relative economic insignificance. When that happens, come visit me at the ThunderDome. I’ll be having lunch at the Soilent Green Cafe.

  • John Fry December 30, 2009, 5:31 pm

    Hey Rick – a few comments are in order from a Detroit native born in 1953. Having been outsourced 3 times in the last 12 years from electronics manufacturing positions with Xycom, Siemens Medical and Honeywell Security I can add something to the on-the-ground discussion of productivity and job availability. Presently, what should be the epicenter of any supposed green shoots – Austin, Texas – is doing a Wile E Coyote in the manufacturing arena. Two years ago there were two pages of manufacturing jobs on Craigslist for every day – now there are five days worth of want ads on each page. Wages for positions of any responsibility at all are absolutely ridiculous. The most comical are those which seek someone to do troubleshooting, vendor and customer interface, ESD control, engineering collaboration, test procedure development, supervision and training, software debug, etc, on top of MCSE and other certifications – all for $12 to $15 an hour. Unreal. Hard to imagine the kids who are ripping each other apart to compete for this chicken scratch.

    Some of us who were paying attention all these years and more are well-prepared for the shitstorm ahead and are fortunate to have gone through the meat-grinder a little earlier than most folks. It forced us to play our cards differently than we might have otherwise. Because I’m a hands-on guy I tend to rely on empirical evidence as opposed to the wide variety of conceptual obfuscation that constitutes expert opinion regarding the ability of our society to maintain itself. In my opinion we went physically bankrupt sometime around 1983 – 1985 – meaning that we were not generating sufficient levels of real capital to reach breakeven levels of providing for ourselves and we went financially bankrupt shortly thereafter. I used to clip WSJ articles and recall the day in the early 90’s that they first had the word “derivative” buried in a front-page article. It was right around the time that all the human resource departments were tasked with facilitating full-participation in 401-K programs and we all had to endure mandatory meetings with 20-something bimbo’s doing the pitch. I laughed out loud when one of them reluctantly answered my question in the affirmative that a “safe” GIC had FDIC backing.

    In my mind there is some necessary correlation between the corral-job that was done on all that income that didn’t get spent or saved in a different manner than the 401-K scheme and the side-bets that constitute the derivative markets. When one boils it all down to see the sludge that’s left it seems the boyz were just betting on how dumb the grunts were and how long they would put up with the saddle of a faux republic and the bit of ruthless oligarchy. I think the rodeo is about to begin. The last 20 years has simply been the sorting out period in the bankruptcy process with all of the concurrent looting and asset stripping and log-rolling and bust-outs and drunken pundits describing the elephant of our demise. My neighbors are all going as local as they possibly can and the other economy as I like to call it is in full bloom here. I don’t think the boyz have a clue as to how it will all work out and what things look like when all paper burns. They’re not welcome in my home, that’s for sure. Keep up the good work!

  • cp December 30, 2009, 4:15 pm

    TahoeBilly,

    I’ve been noticing something similar over the last decade. Growing up in the 50’s and 60’s, it seems we accumulated things, basic household things like a washing machine, a TV, a second car, furniture etc. These were well made goods that made them worthy of repairing should some part wear out. A viable repair industry existed that serviced items from shoes to appliances. Now, a lot less consumer items are worthy of such attention, and we have become consumers buying disposable goods. Where once we accumulated things, now we replace them.

    A case in point (who hasn’t experienced something similar), I had a GTO gate opener, made in Fla. that lasted me about 14 years. Parts would wear out, and I could order replacement pieces and repair it myself. Finally, it wore out completely, and I had to buy a whole new opening arm. This one, now made in China, is completely enclosed and when it started “grinding” after only a year I called the nice Fla people and they said, they don’t sell replacement parts for this model, buy a new one. WTF ?

    As consumers make more less real money in their jobs, they can only afford cheap, disposable goods. A feeble attempt at maintaining a standard of living which has been slipping away for some time now. The price of well built items (materials and workmanship), the type that we were used to, is now out of reach for many americans. Though the complexity and number of features on such items, especially electronics, is enormously higher, the quality and durability is equally diminished. wfd

    cp

  • Andrew December 30, 2009, 3:51 pm

    Hi Rick,
    During the first oil crisis, ’73, I started realizing there would be a problem of ‘who gets what’. I tried to get an education for a professional job. I graduated twice when there were recessions on (’74 and ’81) and had trouble starting work. After literally living on a credit card for a while, I got a factory job. I Had to. After working about 4 years, we tried to get a house. We were denied because we had ‘too much debt’ (school) even though others had similar debts for ? boats, cars, ‘toys’. I tried to build our own house, ‘green’, twice, with out of pocket money. Right now, I haven’t started the fireplace yet, still under the blankets, trying to save wood for the evenings, when the family is home. (I am off work because of days out; I work at a factory that uses parts from China, Turkey, ???; a factory that will be closing soon). A couple of our rooms still have dirt floors.

    I wonder how many of us even Know how to build anything anyway? If we do, can we get access to funds to do research, or build it? I think we have been living on ‘candy’ and are about to get hungry. Can you build your computer? our shoes? your pen? Can you get access to build the factory to build them? and compete with Dell? I am not ‘crying’. I tried to get ready for this. I know how to build a refracting telescope and wanted to start producing them, selling them, but I saw Chinese scopes, complete, Selling for less than it cost me just to buy the Glass Alone, before I ground the lens, let alone buy the tubing, focuser, finder and the rings to hold it. It is nice to talk about competition, but I have learned 2 professions and couldn’t get myself into an honest profession. I know from the factory that I work harder than the average person ( I don’t mean to brag, I have just seen a lot of people getting along on ‘fluff’ jobs). How could we Possibly be maintaining our manufacturing when others are delighted to earn $3/hr compared to our ? $15/hr. and materials are cheaper with such large economies of scale that put small business at a disadvantage before it even starts? The mother is eating its baby.

    We need to Acknowledge the shift and prepare, in general, to start again. Starting ‘out of pocket’ is a Rough place to start, and most of us have empty pockets now. I bought a Chinese scope to see what it was like. I Know I can build better. Manufacturing isn’t just ‘managing’, or ‘quality’, or ‘marketing’ or ‘design’. How many people can combine all these? What we have learned for a while is mostly to Consume. Maybe we are in good place to decide what we Need to be building next. Let the 20mpg monster pickups die. Build Local power systems. Build houses like the Singer sewing machine one reader mentioned; durable, valuable. Let’s reassess.

  • David C December 30, 2009, 3:34 pm

    Well which is it , Burger King is or isnt included. There is a lot of ” Mish ” floating around such that it becomes hard to seperate fact from fiction ( or wishful thinking ) so id suggest leaving the mish to others and stick to the facts..

  • gordon, Singapore December 30, 2009, 3:17 pm

    I do not disagree with your scepticism – but GDP is not so distorteed as to include the foreign content as U.S. GDP as all GDP measures are ‘Minus Imports’.

  • K. Huller December 30, 2009, 2:52 pm

    Hello!

    Here is what I would check first:

    If manufacturing as percentage of GDP held steady while the percentage of employment in manufacturing fell by roughly a factor of three, then average wages in manufacturing should have risen roughly three times as much as wages in the economy as a whole. And: considering the run of the curves you showed, this should have been a steady process over all the years included.

    Do empirical data confirm such a steady above average rise of wages in ‘manufacturing’? I have now marked this word because it may be important how its meaning was changed over such a long time.

    Regards
    KH

  • mario cavolo December 30, 2009, 12:05 pm

    Besides all the obvious comments venting our ongoing amazement and disgust at the many nightmares we face, it was recently put to me by a very wise businessman that the rise in unemployment due to the shifting economic dynamics (that’s a way too nice way of saying it) is leading to a fresh attitude in folks who got screwed who’ve purposely stopped trying to find a job, intentionally and slightly vengefully thrown in the towel, unemployed, riding and milking the government public system, which in fact IS being geared up to support them.

    I encountered half a dozen of these career unemployed from England several years ago while on holiday in Phuket, Thailand…they were as lackadaisical and without ambition as you could imagine, beers from noon to midnight; not a worry for money but not wealthy, on holiday for months at a time. When I inquired to understand the vibe, they replied with amazing nonchalance that when they needed to they would just head back to England to milk all the government benefits they were entitled to, etc. and grab some work if they really had to…hello government in your life…Happy New Year All…

    Cheers, Mario

  • Keith December 30, 2009, 11:33 am

    The burden of proof is on the chartist, not us to pick it apart and prove it wrong. A simple survey of all the junk in my house will easily reveal it’s not made in America.

  • John December 30, 2009, 9:05 am

    I think it is worth pointing out that this problem with our manufacturing competitiveness is an obvious consequence of the dollar’s privileged reserve status rather than an indictment of our national character (or greedy fat cat bankers, executives, etc…). The risk premium that the dollar enjoys means that we were always inevitably headed towards this situation. The masses have been pacified by the feeling of wealth due to low cost overseas goods at the same time as our manufacturing capabilities (and middle class) have been gutted.

    The dollar would be obviously way overvalued if we were competing on an even playing field. I, for one, look forward to the loss of dollar hegemony, painful as it may be, as a necessary step towards a more healthy economy and as a check on Federal spending.

  • Paul Martincic December 30, 2009, 5:47 am

    Dear Rick,

    Part of the answer may lie in the fact that the Bureau of Labor Statistics now classifies flipping burgers as manufacturing. At least this is what I recall reading within the past several years in an article posted on Goldseek.com.

    I’m sure that if the BLS has made a move like this, they’ve also reclassified other jobs as well.

    Regards,

    PM

  • Doug December 30, 2009, 5:30 am

    How much productivity is lost due to our bloated government?
    This is an enormous drain on our economy that seems to never get calculated. Taxes alone are one thing, but add the losses in horrible business practice from banks to home loans, to the simple nonsense implementing these massive taxes causes…

    With that extra money who knows what free men may have created? Viable fusion? Cancer cure? We will never know. But we got untenable social security and medicare, and Fema that can’t save New Orleans, and lets not forget homeland insecurity. As if the airlines needed any more help in self-destruction.

    In 1950 folks worked a little over one month a year to fund all government from fed to local. Today, it is at least an additional four months, for a total of 5.3. That means the average taxpayer loses 4 months a year of income which is transfered to government so they can do what? Provide ineffective education, and other services? So that police can constantly work overtime or spike retirement? How much productivity is lost due to dissatisfaction with such an onerous system? If you are running a bank into the ground and over the course of 10 years you rig the pay so that you are obligated long term cap gains tax you may put in the extra hours to write one more derivative CDS contract that will likely go bad…but if you are the typical hardworking small businessman you may push back ….heck, you might even feel as if it would be justified to work the system a little, as you know it has worked you. Ask the Chinese about their eagerness to stick it to Goldman for the $80 million GS says they owe them on some derivatives…..how do you say Boo-ya in Mandarin?

    Reagan was right and Obama is wrong. Government is the problem. (BO thinks it is the solution)…and BTW, W was a big govt cat, too.

    If the American People allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the People of all their Property until their Children will wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered- TJ

    (The recent housing experience proves this thesis in one easy lesson)

    http://mwhodges.home.att.net/piechart.htm

  • Gene Clark December 30, 2009, 4:55 am

    Your governments statistics on manufacturing output allows imports from U.S. manufacturers to be counted as U.S. GDP even though produced over seas by non employees. The labor dept however doesn’t allow U.S. manufacturers to count foreign employees because no payroll taxes are collected on them. Is there any wonder why U.S. productivity gets better and better? Every single stinking government statistic is created out of thin air specifically to decieve it’s citizens and foreigners into thinking we aren’t the pathetic, weak, bankrupt nation we have become. I will be waiting for your apology to your readers for this deceptive article and hope you will be more sceptical in the future.
    Gene Clark

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    I live to deceive readers, Gene, but it looks like I couldn’t put this one past you. What on earth are you talking about? RA

  • TahoeBilly December 30, 2009, 4:51 am

    Now that’s better! I was going to point out the “parts from all over” issue, but look’s like it got stomped anyways!

    The real funny thing is, my girlfriend loves thrifts stores and I have been eyeballing some item’s like an old US Singer sowing machine (ironically, not kidding, to sew the belt loops back on my not so worn yet- chinese made Levi’s!), and the Singer, which when you look at it, looks like it would last forever! Just a saw a buddies old metal work Thermas in his cupboard looking like a warhorse! The fact is, the heavy duty old US made-for-battle items are actually GREEN PRODUCTS! Duh, the last forever!

    I say stock up on 1950-60’s US made gear for the coming collapse and toss your plastic schmastic stuff, they won’t hold up in the coming tough times! Irony?

    TB